Well /fit/, are you a dirty commie?

>>41621632
I live in a Socialist country. I vote conservative but that would still make me a big ol' hippy by international standards.

>>41621632
That looks like a meme article, tell me where did you get it. How the fuck would you test that. Which definition of socialist are you using?
Where did they test this. Please don't tell me they went to California and looked for a socialist club. Maybe I'm looking to deep at this shitpost.

It's been years since l stopped being an edgy /pol/tard but american socialists still piss me off, they're just fucking cunts

well wich study is this referring to?

>>41621767
fuck off bitch

Who /swoleleft/ here?

>>41621632
>1/2/3/4 5x3
>I'm an actual socialist

It's probably because conservative children are more likely to play strength demanding sports in their childhood like football and baseball while liberal parents are too pussy to let their kids play "dangerous" games and opt for soccer and tennis. Luckily for me I played tackle foot ball from age 8 up to senior year.

>>41621761
It's not the first study done about that topic. Physically stronger men are found to be much more likely to slant conservative with the mind set of everyone gets what they earn. Something about historically in human society/tribes, stronger men have always had the better chance of acquiring goods/food and so are less likely to want to give it to others that didn't earn it. Weaker men bring in less goods/food and so lean more heavily to a socialist mentality where everything is distributed evenly, which is more beneficial to them.

Or something along those lines. Been a while since I read one of the studies.

>>41621761
Even the leftist faggots are admitting it in their own way :
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/gym-bros-more-likely-to-be-right-wing-assholes-science-confirms

>>41621761

Some dumb feminazi made an article about how most fit guys are right-wing assholes based on complete non-science. So in defense someone said this goes both ways and made that picture. Aka weak low-test men are left-wing pussies

>>41621791
You're gonna have to get past this muscle if you think you're gonna steal my belongings "for the greater good", comrade

>>41621798
"In the past, researchers discovered a significant correlation between men who were physically formidable and their belief that some social groups should dominate other social groups.

Price's findings? That rich muscle dudes are the worst! Under those rock-hard abs lie the rock-hard souls of men who doesn't believe in spreading their riches around. "It's basically your tolerance to the idea that wealth shouldn't be redistributed," Dr. Price explains. "Some people thought it was horrible; some people thought it was fine."

You can tell she is wet while writing this article

>>41621794
>>41621796
>>41621798
Well I am leftest, and I spend 2.5 hours in the gym 5 days a week. It seems much less to do with the ideology, and more to do from sampling errors.

It implies nothing on the beliefs itself. If you have someone who works manual labor with low education in a conservative state, of corse it would show up like the OP.

Also no one has linked the actual study, and I have clicked on around 10 sites. The one that does link it, locks it behind a pay wall.

>>41621829
Why do you believe that taking my wealth is justified

>>41621818
>Under those rock-hard abs lie the rock-hard souls of men who doesn't believe in spreading their riches around
How is that a bad thing?

>>41621632

Socialism (which is nothing more than a route to Communism) is only good in theory. In practice, it tends to stifle development, competition, and progress. Capitalism on the other hand, has been the best proven method of technological/scientific progress to date. The only method of Socialism that I might make an exception for was National Socialism (even then though, the Nazi's were receiving aid from people like Henry Ford who were engaging within Capitalism).

tl;dr

Capitalism > Socialism

>>41621815
I'm already strong my dude and i don't want your stuff. I want the financial institutions grip around society to be loosened and the government to do more to protect and provide for the weakest of out citizens

>>41621846
I agree with this but Capitalism always shifts towards Oligarchy, how do we ensure that a capitalist system remains in a constant state of competition?

>>41621794
You can be a socialist and still be conservative. I don't see how the two contradict. One is an economic concept the other is cultural. I consider myself culturally conservative but economically left.

>>41621841
Is very bad, we need mo money fo dem programms

>>41621829
Also if someone is stronger physically than another person, does that also make them more qualified as a political person?

If I can bench more than the president, does that mean I am better suited to the job?

If you are going to argue this, I need exact claims that this is making?

>>41621839
I believe that is how governments work. I think people should pay taxes according to how much the money affects their personal lives. I am not socialist because I don't think that the gap between rich and poor should be non existent. However if Bill Gates has 20 billion frozen in assets, and I am struggling to pay taxes then something is wrong.

I don't want your wealth, I want a equal opportunity to pursue my dream. Which is that I want to own land close to the woods, have a small cosy house, a wife I love, a strong son/daughter, and I want to have some money saved up. Along with a job that has some manual labor and some degree of skill.

I can't get this dream if communism/socialism was what runs this country, I also can't get it if the 1% owns everything and makes all the laws.

>>41621869
>culturally conservative but economically left.

So you don't respect other peoples freedoms but you still expect free money? Never breed.

>>41621878
>However if Bill Gates has 20 billion frozen in assets, and I am struggling to pay taxes then something is wrong.

No, absolutely nothing is wrong with that, he played his cards way better than you in the game of life, that's all

nice fake article idiot

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>>41621632
>strong men who protect their familes prefer political system that relies on briliant individuals
>weak beta men prefer system that makes everyone equal so they're not considered weak in society
really fires my neurons

>>41621767
First world socialists are cunts in general
More often than not they're the very bourgeois pricks they keep whining About, while making life hard for the actual working classes

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>>41621878
>Bill Gates has 20 billion frozen in assets, and I am struggling to pay taxes then something is wrong.
>somebody is more succesful than me becasue of their genius/luck/family
>therefore they must be brought down to my level
sucks to be you princess but life is not fair, when you try to make everybody equal you only gonna end up with everyone being poor
>t. lives in post commie country

>>41621868

In all honesty, I believe a "hard reset" for each individual would alleviate "Oligarch-ism". It's no surprise to most that Capitalism actually works, but what if one were forced to make their own way through life instead of inheriting their family's fortune? I still like the idea of privatized schools, businesses, industry's, etc. I believe they all bring progress and competition to the table. That being said, if there was a "reset" for each individual in terms of personal wealth and what could be passed down through each family, I think that would adequately combat "oligarch-ism" AND support Capitalism.

>>41621894
>Never breed.
Stealing this

>>41621925
>stealing
no

>>41621899
No, we have different wants, read my post. I don't want billions, I don't want sports cars.

I respect his dream, and wish happiness on him. I think he is a good guy.

Right now both of our dreams can be real, however if enough people who are worse than he get that kind of power, their dreams will crush the dreams of all of America.I want the rich to stay rich and happy. But I also want the poor, and sick to not be that way.

The beauty is disappearing from this world. I think that it can be attributed mostly to the greed of man.
>>41621915
please read my post, I don't want everyone to be equal wealth wise. Or otherwise for that matter. But I do think that greed for wealth that does so much damage to so many people, and does so little for the people who make it is not right.

Especially when all it takes is enough people voting for what would help them.

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It's like you faggots don't know that there exists a perfect system that's designed to support working class and at the same time to not steal from them.

>>41621925
if people cant give money to their offspring, they will never work hard to accumulate that money in the first place. What would be the point of it? It is natural for people to try to give their children better oportunities than they had, it is a primal motivator engineered on our biology (K selected people at least).

This is why socialism does not work, you guys lack basic human nature understanding and you think yourselves so superior that your whims should surpass thousands of years of civilizational developing and millenia of memetic reproduction.

>>41621944
>The beauty is disappearing from this world. I think that it can be attributed mostly to the greed of man.

And I think it's coming from the poorfags blaming anybody for their shortcomings but themselves

>>41621944
>greed for wealth
So when does somebody is greedy? when they have 10k saved? 100k? 250k? million?
When they have more than an average scrub has?

>>41621939
But anon, property is theft.

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>>41621944
there's a reason why dreamers like you never get any real power, life isn't fairy tale or John Lenon's song.

>>41621944
this is me
>>41621915
To add to what I said, I understand that life isn't inherently fair. But I do think it is the job of men who claim to be good, to try to make life more so. How can you claim to want the best for mankind, when you want it to be unfair, when you want the worst for your fellow man?

I am not saying that there should be no rich, that is some persons dream. I just think that the dream of one person should not crush the dreams of 100,000,000.

>>41621925
They tried that with heavy inheritance taxes but the effects were disastrous. People stopped buying land since it was better to lease it for 1 lifetime and the richest just set up trust funds so their spoiled kids got their inheratance in cash instead of assets that may have had, staff attached.

What we need are rich kids who waste all their money,

>>41621958
no, all of those are reasonable, I am talking about the people that own half the country. People with fucking billions and billions frozen.

>>41621939

This has nothing at all to do with stealing and has everything to do with preventing an oligarchy (like the one we currently have within the west) from forming. It would also spur progress and competition because "the capitalism game" would be genuine and not rigged at that point. The best person for the best job at the best price would literally be encouraged and promoted, rather than someone attaining their wealth because their parents did the right things through life (i.e. forming an oligarchy).

Can you rebuttal this besides using the world "no"?

>>41621878
My teenage brother taught himself how to weld. Now he makes fat stacks and spends it all on dirt bikes and his car. He could easily support himself and make house payments if he wanted. Since we live out in the country aka your dream. Where do you live? I feel like a lot of socialists live in the city where everything is more expensive and then complain about cost of living. Based on your dream and desire for a manual labor career I want to assume you aren't one of the typical socialists?

>Be me
>Employed for the last 15 years
>Physically fit and strong
>Vote Conservative

>Friend from High School
>Full blown hippy, doesn't work and mooches off others
>Skinny Fat and weak
>Votes Liberal

>>41621969
I did nothing like your pic, so why did you post it? I think that our democracy can vote out bad politicians, and replace them with better ones. Beatles are overrated, and Lennon did that song because it was controversial.

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YOU'RE EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BRO
THERE'S NO NUANCE OR IN-BETWEEN BRO
YOU'RE EITHER A RED OR A NAZI BRO

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>>41621971
>I just think that the dream of one person should not crush the dreams of 100,000,000.
I can't understand logic behind this? how can somebody who worked hard, became CEO of his own company and made millons is crushing dreams of others
>spend years living from paycheck to paycheck while you work on your company
>finally get some money going
>get it taken away from you becasue you're "crushing" dreams of others
just fucking say it that you don't want anybody to be above you.
>>41621987
>People with fucking billions and billions frozen.
to you it's that much, but other commies will say that having more than 1 million is too much, 500k is to much, 100k is to much, there's no line for that.

>>41622000
No, I am not. I live in a small town. Also I never claimed to be socialist. I am also not talking about fat stacks. I am talking about people that own Pepsico, or insurance companies. People that make your brothers money looks like nickels and dimes.

>>41621868
>I agree with this but Capitalism always shifts towards Oligarchy
>implying that socialism doesn't

See: Russia, China, or any other commie hellhole.

Actually, US for that matter as it is barely capitalist anymore.

>>41621787
>no replies
socialists confirmed dyels.

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>>41622003
>Be me
> Work since I was 15
>Vote conservative

>Friend,
>doesn't work
> Not registered to vote

feels good man

>>41621955
> This is why socialism does not work, you guys

I am not a Socialist in even the slightest way.

>>41621975

>the richest just set up trust funds so their spoiled kids got their inheratance in cash instead of assets that may have had, staff attached.

Why not actually stop these "loopholes" instead of allowing them to continue?

> What we need are rich kids who wast all their money.

That would be the best case scenario. If that were the case, we'd never even need to debate about things like this. It never happens though.

>>41622012
you are right that exact lines need to be put in place, but those people got rich from voting for what helps them. It is the average persons duty to do what helps them. Which is higher taxes on the extremely rich. I am not a commie. But you are not understanding the difference between a million and a billion. One is good money, one makes you so rich you don't even know where to begin to spend your money. So rich that you could never spend it all in a 100 lifetimes.

>>41622025
That is very true, but just because Socialism is shit doesn't give capitalism a free pass to be shitty too, we need some government intervention to make sure markets remain in a state of competition.

>>41622032
>I am not a Socialist in even the slightest way.

you might think so, but if you are in favor of increasing coercitive relations, you're a socialist

>>41621950
>support working class and at the same time to not steal from them
care to explain?

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>>41622046
National socialism my friend.

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Mom said it's my turn to overthrow the Bourgeois.

>>41622032
>Why not actually stop these "loopholes"

Well the loophole involes one person handing money to another of their own free will, can't really stop that in a free market.

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>>41622011

>>41622045

Elaborate please? I'm in favor the Capitalist system. I believe it works and it shouldn't be stifled by anything (including oligarch-ism). That being said, I honestly believe oligarch-ism is the problem for many of the worlds current woe's. The only thing I merely suggest would be a way to prevent families from passing down wealth (which more often than not form crime syndicate families like Rothschild's, Bush's, Clinton's, etc.). If families like these were aristocrats, I wouldn't have issues. It almost never happens anymore though and only serves to hind humanity as a whole.

>>41622040
>But you are not understanding the difference between a million and a billion. One is good money
it's you who don't understand what im trying to say. im saying that
1. Having limit on how much money you can make is fucking stupid
>oh look my invetion and company can make me 200 million dollars but it won't becasue then i'd be crushing dreams of other and be rich while others would be poor so im not gonna sell my product
2. like i said 2 times already that limit you keep talking about will always get lower, there will never be a "line" when if you make more than this you're rich and have to share. People will simply make 2 different companies and will make 99 percent of that limit never breaking it and most of all that limit will ALWAYS be lowered.
On the begining people will say
>why do you need 100 billions? you'll never gonna spend it!
>why do you need 100 millions that's too much for you anyway!
>why do you need 20 millions? you can buy house, car and live good with much less!
>why do you need 1 million? just go to work like everyone else and you can have decent life!
From your posts i can tell that you never lived in a country that struggled with communism/socialism. I don't fucking get it why young people from the west are so drawn to the socialism/communism espeically when there's a fucking proof that this "we are all equal!" meme is not fucking working.

>>41622079
wait justa second, I looked at his post, and I didn't see any of the things that are in your image. Perhaps you posted the wrong one? I think you meant to post something making fun of reasonable logical people.

>>41621632
Well of course they are.

Conservative politics and ethics is based on the idea of self discipline, self sufficience and self improvement.

Socialist Politics is based on "oh well if i screw up really badly anonymous strangers will help me because human beings are inherently good."

Apply those two ideals to fitness and health and see what you get.

>>41622011
Pick a side and stand for something you fence riding faggot.

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>implying it doesn't all come down to an issue with accountability

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-join-the-middle-

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>>41622102
u can reply to people to agree with them friendo
or just add to their point

>>41622096
>I don't fucking get it why young people from the west are so drawn to the socialism/communism

People learn to deal with authority from their relationship with their parents.
Spoiled children assume that their parents(the state) has an unlimited well of money. They feel entitled to free money because that's how they are raised. When they are told that there is no free money they assume that some asshole must have stolen it.

>>41622096
God damn it, I am not a socialist or a communist.
I put in my post at the beginning, that taxes and the such should be equal to the person with the wealth.
You can have as much money as you want, as long as it is effectively getting recycled in society. But that is not what is happening, billions are turning into more billions, and literally just sitting there indefinitely. Why are there 20 billion $$$ just sitting on a island, when we are 20 trillion in debt. Its not that they arent going to spend it, its that they cant even begin too, it is so much moeny.

Allowing shit like that to happen is going to cause the downfall of the U.S.

>>41622120
can I do that to disagree with them to?
Because if I can then I disagree with your image, I supported Bernie Sanders. Do you have any more images, that do not accurately represent the people they are making fun of?

>>41622133
>Why are there 20 billion $$$ just sitting on a island,
becasue they fucking can you pinko faggot, if i make 2000000000 trillions and i want to make castle out of them i fucking can and you can't touch my money you life failure.

>>41622146
>I supported Bernie Sanders
Reddit cuck.

>>41622040
What you don't understand and what no self proclaimed socialist understands is the difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law.
If you're going to regulate how much money a person can own then you must establish a hard cutoff. Now this is a political bargaining chip every election cycle.
Sure people should have healthcare. Can they have unlimited healthcare? Can I go the doctor for a paper cut for free? Is a late stage cancer patient entitled to organ replacements to extend life a week or two? If not congratulations, you must now draw a firm line in the sand establishing that if you cross it, you are going to stop receiving care and die. Do you think that could ever be used as a political weapon?
Teenage socialists are dreamers with no concept of how a societal system is built and operates.

>>41622133
Go live in Venezuela comrade.

>>41622030

Let me guess, that friend has some strong opinions on what your tax money should be wasted on?

>>41622146
F[REEEEEEE] ITZ ALL FREE. YOU SEE WE JUST TAKE THE MONEY AND PUT IT OVER THERE. F[REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE]

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>>41622146
Statist cuck.

>>41622169
He can talk for hours about how Donald Trump or Obama are bad leaders but he can't name the prime minster of his own country without googling it.

>>41621787
Kek

MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES

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Better red than dead

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>>41622186
Thread's theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHhOUYdg2S8

>>41622133
>You can have as much money as you want, as long as it is effectively getting recycled in society.
That's an infringement on property rights. It's his money, he can do what he want, he can donate it to cancer research or spend it all on underage ladyboy hookers in Thailand.
If you don't have the right to own and manage property (including money) then why the fuck would you work, knowing what you earn will be taken from you?

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>>41621761
Just kys commie

>>41621912
"the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you"

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I'm more of a social nationalist desu

>>41622133
>You can have as much money as you want, as long as it is effectively getting recycled in society.
So let me get this right
I can work for 100 hours a week and some nigger who doesn't lift a finger will get share of from my fruits of labor just becasue im supposed to give my money to others?
Fuck you faggot, go have family and then talk to me about how "You can have as much money as you want, as long as it is effectively getting recycled in society."

>>41621925
>>41621939
maybe instead of a true reset, the inheritance so to speak would go into a trust instead to be accessed in adulthood

>>41622215
I agree that's what they do but I don't think they have particularly many Jews.

>>41622220
ive never seen this jpg before and unironically lift for hitler

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>>41621853

>>41622220
Speaking of, does anyone else unironically listen to Hitler before gym?

His speeches on personal accountability and your own labor fucking fire me up.

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Any man who works to better himself, provide for and protect his family will always be right wing since it's a system that's based on indivdual. It's no wonder that leftist fat virgins are socialists. They support system that grinds indivudal down to a form of a paste so others won't feel bad.

>>41622116
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>>41622193
>Better red than dead
no that's not true

>>41622116
>>41622269
Oops ty

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-join-the-middle-class-2013-5

>>41622236
the Jew is who teaches our children through the media and our colleges (high school 2.0) and our public education.
It's no surprise we have so many socialists

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>>41622293
Am I retarded? all that comes up is 3 SIMPLE RULES TO (NOT BE POOR) QUICK

>>41622201

you don't have to stay

>>41621846
>is only good in theory
How is stealing some people's hard-earned money so that you can give it to people who potentially do nothing all day "good in theory?"

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Man this one reasonable guy providing an actually nuanced and sophisticated opinion on wealth inequality is the MVP in this thread

im amazed he can endure all of these knucklehead meme replies t b h

>>41621787
No one you cuck

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>>41621846
>National Socialism
>being a form of socialism
Thanks for letting me know i can disregard your entire post m8.

>>41621878
>However if Bill Gates has 20 billion frozen in assets, and I am struggling to pay taxes then something is wrong.

Yeah thats called hard work you fucking pussy beta boy

>>41622259
Except Socrates was a big old socialist as well.
You think sitting around philosophizing was a lucrative career to start with?

>>41622327

Don't you support the laws of the constitution in your country?

>>41622350
didn't Nazi's socialize land in contested areas they had taken and privatize lots of industries previously under the governments control within germany?

also didn't they try to help single mothers so their kids wouldn't grow up to be niggers?

what does "not socialist" mean?

>>41622282
Nein, Frauer

>>41622395
Not being sarcastic or anything just looking for information.

>>41622361
>be me
>born into upper class family (dad is a High Court Judge, mum is a top solicitor)
>went to topclass private school
>recieved heavy tutoring
>got into Oxford University for Physics + Philosophy
>parents paid all my student fees so i dont need a loan

Now compare that with my best friend:
>born to working class family in Welsh mining town
>went to shitty local state school where they didnt even teach Latin or Philosophy
>got a job as a 16 year old
>used the (tiny) pay to buy a mail-order library membership
>spent hours and hours selfstudying
>had to travel to Oxford to take the entrance exam b/c his school didnt have the facilities
>first time hed ever left his hometown
>got a place at Oxford
>took out student loan and maintenance loan

We're both in the same situation.

I have never had a job in my life, I'm debtfree and I really didnt work that hard to get into Oxford - it was p much expected of me.
Hard work isnt the only proscriptor of success, man.

>>41622133
>Somebody else has money
>RRRRGH AAAAAH WHY CANT WE SPEND IT ON WHAT WE WANT FUCKING CAPITALISTS
Grow up.

>>41622406
>>41622395

The Nazis did seize land and start major infrastructure projects, but they did not use them for socialist goals - the land + production wasnt used to help people, it was all for military preparation.

They also abolished unions and destroyed the democratic/meritocratic process, which are both extraordinarily anti-citizen policies that are the antithesis of Socialism

>>41622413
Well then go an pay for your best friend's education if you're that righteous, but don't expect the whole of society to do that as well.

I've been working class all my life and yet some fucking rich African gets grants and bursaries because his skin is darker than mine.

>>41622133
>when we are 20 trillion in debt
literally t. someone who doesn't understand what state debt is or who the creditors are

>>41622437
Guarantee you rich Africans dont get grants and bursaries just for their skincolor. Bursaries are p much all means-tested, there is no subjective choice involved on behalf of the university

it seems to me that maybe the reason you hate socialism is that what you think socialism is doesnt fully reflect the reality?

>>41622433
>the land + production wasnt used to help people
Doesn't matter, the point is property wasn't owned by individuals anymore, but made public, that's a very socialist idea.

>They also abolished unions and destroyed the democratic/meritocratic process

Look at any communist country ever, they do the exact same thing.

>>41622454

It wasnt made public. It was made government-owned. There is a difference.

>By the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the trade union system consisted of thirty unions organized by occupational branch. Including about 732,000 locals and 135 million members in 1984, unions encompassed almost all Soviet employees with the exception of some 4 to 5 million kolkhozniks. The All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions served as an umbrella organization for the thirty branch unions and was by far the largest public organization in the Soviet Union

Also trade unions were never abolished in communist countries as far as i know. Yes they would be muzzled by the more brutal regimes, but they always at least pretended to be in favour of trade unions for the public appearance.

>>41622452
There are many grants that are based solely on 'visible minority status', at least here in Canada.

I don't hate the idea of socialism completely, I'd be in favor of certain safety nets for people who genuinely need them, but the way it gets implemented in almost every scenario turns out to be a net loss for the average citizen, if not devolving down to outright tyranny. (the greater good type shit)

>>41621787

Cucks ?

>>41622509
I am unironically sympathetic to the national socialist movement from what I know of it but the word "cuck" is exclusively used by faggots and retards

>>41622371
Which country?

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>>41621759
Thats the problem with european nations, even the "conservatives" are fiscal and social leftists.

>>>/pol/
This is not a tendies thread, feels thread, fit waifu, sips thread, or favorite lifts thread get off my /fit/ reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>41621632
Meh, as an Amerifat, I believe in the the free market but I also support government regulation and social programs for the benefit of the general public.
I'm basically a moderate liberal. Though I will say I do find myself wondering sometimes if ethical fascism is something we need just because people can't be trusted to make the right decisions in large groups.

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>>41621839

>>41622789
>we don't want to take your personal property just your private property

>>41621787
Antifa here guess we fall in the same category

>>41622789
What a horseshit image
>we're gonna remove the idea of private property and redistribute everything
>don't worry, we aren't stealing your shit that's 'Personal property' which is totally different
Tell that to my great great grandparents that had their horse, car and chandelier "redistributed" in russia

>>41621787
kys

>>41621632
>>41621632


>Wanting a national health care system like dozens of countries have just fine.

"haha u gay"

>>41622789
>when it didn't work the 100 times it was tried before but this time FOR SURE because people have changed in the past 50 years
Socialism is a mental illness

>>41622821
you should be falling from a Puma

>>41621632
>>41621632
>its a /pol/ needs to validate themselves and supress their insecurities by claiming their politcal beliefs makes them swole high test alphas despite not lifting a single weight in their life thread

>>41621787
Liberal moderate here

>>41621894
>buttplug liberalism
No one is going to seize your gay wedding cake, jew

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I assume that by socialist they mean liberal bourgeoisie social democracy?

Can't imagine tankies, nazbols or arab socialists being weak pussies.

>>41622859
This x F

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>>41622301
>>41622236
>>41622215
>>41621912
Broke: Gas the kikes
Joke: Gulag the bourgeoisie capitalists
Bespoke: Gas the bourgeoisie kike capitalists at the gulag

>>41621787

commie here, cutting atm though so no more swole :'(

the entire concept of the left wing is a lowering of standards
It's okay to be a whore, it's okay to not breed, it's okay to breed too much, it's okay to not work, it's okay to destroy your body with drugs, it's okat to be fat
Standards are mandatory to maintain any semblance of society

>>41623031
t. fascist
are you saying that maybe society should hold itself to some standards to prevent dying just like an individual human should?

because being gay or a whore has literally zero health negatives

>>41622032
If you closed all loopholes for inheritance tax then the rich would get the hell out of that country, and for good reason too. Inheritance tax is downright theft. The income you pass on has already been taxed via income tax.

>>41623048
>stds, HIV, AIDS aren't health negatives
>being a sex addict isn't detrimental to mental health and doesn't affect your ability to maintain long lasting relationships
3/10 made me reply

>>41623048
>being gay or a whore has literally zero health negatives
Save for AIDS

>>41622835
Literally happening here in the UK.

>It will work this time I swear!

>>41621787
inb4 smiling tranny squatting the bar with a pussypad.

>>41622789
>private property - the things that give people that have them power over people that don't
What a retarded sentiment since power is subject to definition changes. To use their example, having the capability to listen to that music unlimited times while someone doesn't can easily be considered a power. If I have a pistol to aid in robbing a place, but the house owner has a better one (granting him more power in this situation) it is not suddenly my right for us to call tradsies on our weapons to even things out

>>41621787
sup

>>41621878
You do have equal opportunity to pursue your dream. What you want is equal results for pursuing your dream. No sir. Equal opportunity sure, equal results for not doing as well? No. That's just bad.

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>>41621632
Anon, being strong is oppressive.

>>41623300
>we're all valuable and equal as human beings

>>41623324
I love that pic because I always hear leftists saying "No, anon, when I say we're all equal I just mean morally, we're not actually all the same". Then some loony like the guy in the pic comes out with some inane idea like healthy and unhealthy are the same, strong and weak are the same, and they get applauded for it. Fucking liars.

>>41621829
Why do leftists always group manual labourers as idiots?
Someone's gotta build houses man, and in Aus at least you get paid well in trades

keep /pol/ in /pol/

>>41622789
Well your Kenny Loggins records give you power over those who don't own them, such as deciding not to play the music for them. So yeah you dirty capitalist pig, hand them over.
Jesus Christ how retarded do you have to be to actually believe in this garbage.

>>41623393
I love how they go "we don't want to take your personal property hehe silly boy" when in reality there's no way to say what's luxury and what I actually need, what can be used to produce stuff and what can not.

>>41622079
Unironically this

>>41621853
Its a pretty concept, but its a fantasy.

>>41621798
>right-wing assholes

you have to go back

>>41623373

because leftists are delusional and retarded.

>>41621829
kill yourself

>>41621632
>itt salty nazis

Your time is running out. Can you hear it?
DRIP DRIP DRIP

>>41623428
Well, clearly they've done it wrong in the past, so it wasn't real socialism. We gotta try again and this time we'll get it right.

>>41622789

There will always be those with power and those without. There will always be those who have something others want but can't have. Watch Enemy at the Gates.

Also, socialism is founded on the fallacious premise that value is finite, and that new value cannot be created.

>>41621853
The government is shit at it's job. The bureaucracy grinds everything to such a halt to ensure things are given out properly which consumes time and resources in itself. And because of the low rate and low quality of service, the only people who want to collect government provisions had no life prospects to begin with. Capitalism requires contribution as well as consumption, but with government distribution the ratio is skewed and creates people who onot consume. That's how economies collapse, and with the economy goes the governance and social order

Anon, your gains are crushing the ability for others who don't even lift to make gains. We are surgically remove portions of each of your muscles to be divided among the bodies of the obese, only to do it again next year once you've made more gains and the obese have atrophied further.

>>41622997
starving != cutting retard

>>41621632
>are you a dirty commie?
hell no and it has nothing to do with my 1 rep max. communism/socialism is inherently illogical and immoral.

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>>41623643

>>41623643
>literally every single one is a manlet

wew
e
w

>>41623643
>>41623657
Some of them might be ok even if I wouldn't want to fuck them.

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>>41623673
>the government is evil and corrupt
>give more power to the government

>>41623685
looks like he should start running more or he might stay fat his whole life which would give him a higher chance of dying from heart disease

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>>41621868

>>41622681

your, you dipshit

>>41623673
Go live in a Communist country then dummy.
Champagne socialists always want to bring communism to their wealthy (thanks to capitalism) countries, but they'd never go and live in an actual communist country because they know they're shit, and they're just putting on a show because they're bored and feel guilty about being rich.

>>41623643
Please post more, these pics always brighten up my day and I get a good ab workout from laughing so much

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>>41622413
it is still hard work you retard. His parents' hard work, grandparents' etc.
How the fuck do people not understand this?
We are not ants, we share information, learn from mistakes etc

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>>41623886
>wearing the american flag as clothing
disgraceful

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>>41623868
this

>>41622750
Too true.

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>>41621787
we /ancap/ nao

>>41621794
>2017
>reductive human evolution argument
ishygddt

>>41621761
#swoleleft

>>41623907
You forgot to change the names of the languages. That works.

>>41622049
No. socialism is gay as fuck in all forms. equal distribution of wealth is gay. people with superior brain genetics deserve more money fuck you, retard socialist pig.

>>41621787
Seize the means of reproduction comrade
>inb4 move to Venezuela
And how about you move to Thailand and work for Nestle bruh

>>41622454
Socialism doesn't just mean that everything is owned by the government, that would mean that a ton of early feudal states would have been socialist.

I'm not a socialist, but my take on it is that it's pretty much just introducing "democracy" to companies, much in the same way as it was introduced to countries. So a company/country would be run for and by the workers/citizens instead of the owner/king.

>>41621632
Implying good hospitals, an effective police force, good schools and functional infrastructure are a bad thing.
> But anon, you can have these under capitalism
These are socialist principles. Companies are under no obligation to support local infrastructure (see also: tax evasion). Note that I am not saying it is wrong for companies to "dodge" tax, rather it should not be possible in the first place.

>>41621632
/natsoc/ reporting in

It is a shame to witness /fit/ falling to all that conservative brain-washing and identity politics

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>ITT: jewmericans who cant understand the difference between socialism and communism

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Everyone wants to belong to their special little in group, of which there are many and all equally gay.

>>41623466
Retard

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>>41623886
>manlet stands out in an alt-right crowd
>manlet blends in to alt-left crowd

not surprising that people who lift are more right-wing as it requires
>hard work
>discipline
>individual goals
>results orientation

and i mean the ends are 'selfish' - better health / fitness / attractiveness / discipline (also an input as said before, it forms a loop you see).

no 'saving the poor', no robin hood mentality, no 'body positive' PC BS. i am actually surprised that there are SOME lifters who lean left tbf.

>posting this while the summer is coming and paid leftist shills are coming over full force

Im not gonna read this thread but I guarantee the backpedalling is violently high.

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I would support any political party with a genuine interest in helping the people that live there. Including a communist one.

>>41625697
daily reminder supporting private charity is still completely consistent to conservative principles. commies disregard charity because they have nothing to offer themselves, let alone the rest of the world.

>>41625720
Untrue. I disregard charity because someone should not have to rely on the benevolence of strangers for potentially lifesaving medical treatment.

>>41625747
that's right. doctors should be forced at gunpoint to treat people.

>>41625757
> Extrapolating this hard.
Nationalised healthcare is a fantastic idea.

>>41625770
giving governments the responsibility to run anything that isn't absolutely necessary for them to run is a bad idea.

>>41625781
Nice assertion. What obligation would corporations have to fill this lack of services?

Governments are there to provide public services, corporations exist to make a profit. Which do you think provides better healthcare?

>>41625841
>obligation
none, they'd get paid to do it with the money that the average citizen saves from their lack of taxes

>>41625841
Patients should pay providers directly for any services that are routine and not catastrophic, and patients could carry low-cost insurance policies to protect them in the event of catastrophic health-care costs. This is how it works for house and auto insurance, which almost everyone can afford even though cars and houses are frequently as expensive as many medical services.

A direct-pay model would create an incentive for providers to offer more pricing information, and to compete with one another on price. Market competition would drive prices down without the need for coercion. Quality would go up, prices would go down, and, just as importantly, this would be a morally superior system free of the coercion and domination implicit in a government-run socialized system.

>>41621632
Go away /pol/

>>41625841
>What obligation would corporations have to fill this lack of services?

None. They are not your daddy and neither is the government.

>Governments are there to provide public services
The government doesn't provide healthcare. They take taxpayer money and give it to doctors to provide healthcare. The best healthcare mostly likely comes from doctors and hospitals who command the highest prices in the free market.

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>>41625877
Kek, alt-reich so fragile that they report my red pilled images and the new mods even take them down. New mods should understand that /fit/ is anarchist.

>>41625877
>and patients could carry low-cost insurance policies
So like a tax of sorts then?
>A direct-pay model would create an incentive for providers to offer more pricing information, and to compete with one another on price.
Like it does with the definitely not rigged against the consumer energy market? This is relying on the fact that the companies operate completely honestly and in the interest of the patient. What obligation do they have to do so? Their only stakeholders are their board of directors.
>this would be a morally superior system free of the coercion and domination implicit in a government-run socialized system
Substanceless. Having everyone need to buy insurance is almost the same as tax:

Private healthcare is run for a profit by definition. In theory this should introduce competition which is healthy for consumers, but in practice results in cost cutting and profit maximisation at the expense of the consumer, as has been demonstrated the case by energy (see the UK; majority of people are overcharged), pharmaceuticals (consider the aggressive marketing of seratonin by GSK), and failings of UK private healthcare because the surgeons were trying to get patients in and out of the clinics as fast as possible:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/4966494/Surgeon-suspended-from-private-hospital-after-woman-dies-in-routine-operation.html
http://www.chfg.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ElaineBromileyAnonymousReport.pdf

>>41625952
> The best healthcare mostly likely comes from doctors and hospitals who command the highest prices in the free market.

See above. The are entire books on this.

>>41626110
>>and patients could carry low-cost insurance policies
>So like a tax of sorts then?

Taxes aren't optional
optional health care is.

>>41625713
you fool, it's always summer

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Alt-right is the lowest of the lowest test.

>>41626110
>So like a tax of sorts then?
no, like a private insurance of sorts.

>Like it does with the definitely not rigged against the consumer energy market?
the energy market is a natural monopoly by necessity. this doesn't apply whatsoever to the medical market for the majority of people.

>This is relying on the fact that the companies operate completely honestly and in the interest of the patient. What obligation do they have to do so?
No it's not dummy. It's relying on the fact that they want to compete in a free market and make a profit.

>Substanceless. Having everyone need to buy insurance is almost the same as tax:
Who said people should be forced to buy insurance? That's one of the main reasons Obamacare is immoral.

There are plenty of fatties in both parties.

However, haes/fat acceptance is strictly a liberal/democrat thing. Go to any FPH thread, find all the pictures of tumblrinas talking about how beautiful they are, trigger warnings, etc. I guarantee you 100% of those voted D. (or whatever the yurop equivalent is.)

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>>41621787
reporting in

>>41621787
>>41626558

fuckdammit, meant /swoleright/ reporting in

>>41621632
>pajamas and hot chocolate are low test
There is NOTHING!!! low test about being comfy :(

Alsl
>correlation = causation

>>41626200
I see obese people like 300+ at most once a week here in Belgium.

>>41621869
conservatives are reactionary

socialism is not reactionary

mongrel

>>41621846
>is only good in theory

do fag-holes actually believe this

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>>41625438
>I don't want to move to a place with actual socialism so why don't you move to a place with a poorly regulated market

brainlets everyone

I'm completely apolitical. I literally don't fucking care, the only thing that makes me care about politics is when it shits up unrelated topics. Fitness has nothing to do with politics, stay on /pol/.

>>41621915
Not everyone should be equal, but the highest income should pay the most tax. This way the weakest in society don't have to sleep on the streets or beg for money. Though abuse of a welfare system needs to be punishable by death though.

Availibility of social mobility has to be proper and actual though.

>>41626734
Conservatives are liberals 15-20 years behind the times

>>41623452
they all live in fantasy land, cant think realistically whatsoever

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>>41621878
>poor but can barley pay taxes
rich people pay all the taxes, goof.
>comparing self to bill gates
prolly just flip burgers or bag groceries and wonder why you're broke
>own land close to the woods, have small cosy house, a wife, a strong son/daughter, and have money saved up
those should all be gauranteed god-given rights, shouldn't have to work for it at all.
>along with a job that has some manual labor or some degree of skill
you just found your own solution, you goof. get a trade and all that shit is possible, fuck.

>>41626815
>those should all be gauranteed god-given rights, shouldn't have to work for it at all.

I think California should be allowed to secede. There can be a one-way open border that allows Mexicans and Americans to travel and live there unconditionally.

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>>41621632
I wonder if this includes National Socialists

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being rich, and I don't think the government should infringe on the rights of the individual. People want to make money and create things, and that's fine and important. You really can't beat capitalism at creating wealth in a country. However, some degree of solidarity and compromise is nessecary and beneficial for a society.

I also think that corporations are basically amoral entities that would grind us down and dance on our graves if given the chance, and rich people who tax dodge are utter fucking scum. The average America's willingness to get fucked over by companies and be grateful for it is astounding.

>>41621632
What if you're a strong man because you have a saviour complex and fantasies about being a protector of the weak and poor (typically leftist ideologies)?

>>41625626
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>2017
>Wanting gains redistribution
lmao gtfo of here

>>41621632

Catholic Fascist master race

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>>41627127

are the lefties using masculinity to hate conservatism even more or using conservatism to hate masculinity even more?

I truly love politics threads on the fitness board

>>41622133
Hey, I'm broke, give me a bunch of your money.

>>41621787
reporting from my cuckshed

>>41627181

I think a lack of masculinity is what makes people liberal in the first place. When I was in the army I knew only a very few liberals and they were never the most masculine guys or fit in with that group.

>>41622829

Fuck your slav relatives and fuck you slav subhuman.

Communism, the version of it that was put in practice in Soviet Russia has as much to do with general leftist ideology as Nazism has to do with the modern right.

Letting your subjective experience dictate your worldview to that extent is retarded, but what would someone expect from a slav piece of shit.

>>41623031
>we want personal rights
>you know, unless it's a right to do something I personally wouldn't do

Leave my guns and drugs alone, you fag

Leftism is a mental disorder.

>>41621846
>is good in theory
>is bad in practice

Nigger, if it's bad in practice, it's bad in theory.

>>41621878
>Which is that I want to own land close to the woods, have a small cosy house, a wife I love, a strong son/daughter, and I want to have some money saved up. Along with a job that has some manual labor and some degree of skill.

That is a luxury, not a right. You are not entitled to that life, faggot.

>>41625841
>What obligation would corporations have to fill this lack of services?
...supply and demand? You know... that whole "money" thing?

>>41627240
It's more to do with the educational background of the group you hang out with.

In the army, I too met edgy kids who were "far-right" (despite being the sons of immigrants).
Now that I work jobs with people who have at worst a Masters, almost everyone I talk too is a disillusioned leftist.

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/swoleleft/ here! pic related it's me

>>41621969
I find it fairly ironic when an alt-righter brings up pic related, considering the whole pepe and kek culture. Just sayin

>>41626152
>liberal tears

Yummy

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>The goat supports trump

>Be Tyrone
>BBC genetics and dedication make me literally the strongest person in a gym at any given time
>Am not self hating Uncle Tom
>Am not American conservative as their goals are to cull me

I can probably beat to death any weak ass conservative boi here

>>41622164
There is a kind of socialism with these cutoffs but I can't quite remember the name...

>>41628334
>I can probably beat to death any weak ass conservative boi here

classic Tyrone

>>41625841
what? corporations do, they just charge through the roof for it. If I had a shit load of money, I would ALWAYS get treated in ameriga because they have the best fucking healthcare if you are wealthy. Did you mean which provides better average healthcare? Most medical breakthroughs come from these fucking drug companies blowing cash to advance the science in their favor, so that they can make millions if not billions off of their new drug. I guarantee if you take that away from those companies we will just see a massive decline in new pharmaceuticals.

>>41628334
>conservative's goals are to cull black people
slow down you jive ass motherfucker, not ONCE have I ever had this feeling. Which part of america are you from buddy? Commiefornia, the only people that sicken me are these fake leftists and their weird kiddy glove way of treating me.

>>41628334
weak ass blackboys are funny lmao. I would beat your face in blackie. Youre weaker than white men.

>>41621632

Not a commie but critical of certain negative aspects of capitalism and interested in debate as to how they might be eradicated/mitigated.

I fucking hate the nuleft pussies with their emphasis on IDpol and victim-culture (despite my general approval of equal rights and democracy). I also despise all the fucking bootlicking right wing faggots with their phony Christ and Reagan-throwback moral majority, never-ending warfare, and fucking Trump.

More or less, the caricatures of the establishment left being complete cucks and the right being retard bootlickers are pretty much on the money.

I hate listening to you cunts toss around platitudes and bad arguments. You fucking children can't even come up with unique insults anymore. You just debate over who the snowflake is.

tl;dr fuck you spooked fags FUCK OFF MAH BOARD

>>41628334
>Be Tyrone
>get pulled over
>forget to act white
>get shot

>>41621791
Are you sure you'll still be playing when you reach your senior year?

Who /neoliberal/ here?

>>41622789
>kenny loggins
>terrible
fucking communists

>>41629134
Are you me?

>>41628334
Non self-hating black dudes are a rare occurrence on 4chan. Nice to see another one I can relate t! Want to be friends?

>>41621894
>other peoples freedoms
>being anti-degeneracy is bad

>you still expect free money?
>not understand what fiat currency is
>believing the meme that money is something to be relentlessly sought after even though it's actually worthless
>not knowing the numbers for how much you pay for this or the denominations don't make sense when you consider "cause muh value" since it's all literally worthless
>not knowing every single person in this country could live at least a middle class lifestyle if the money were better distributed
>not knowing how the federal reserves screws us over by limiting printing and stopping enough currency from being distributed amongst the entire populace
>not knowing (((they))) collude with the rich who hoard their money and never use most of it as to keep others subjugated into wage slavery and poverty if they refuse to suck dick
>thinking they want people to suck their dicks to make them more money when in reality they don't give two fucks about money but rather just like powertripping
Only people who's wealth needs to be redistributed are the rich cunts who hoard intentionally unnecessary amounts of it so that it's detrimental to the rest of society, or alternative seize the fed and print and distribute to the populace as need be. They don't care about your well-being, they just like watching the lesser beings crash and burn if they don't suck their dicks, money is but a means to an end. It's literally worthless m8, it has no intrinsic value like gold or silver (not advocating for that shit) it can printed to infinity and we'll be fine, inflation and deflation aren't real with fiat currency. Modern economics is smoke and mirrors bullshit desu.

>>41629413
>trickle down economics
>money that is supposed to trickle down is put offshore forever
i agree senpai

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>>41622049
It is only through the third position that a cohesive, degeneracy free, and stable society can be established in the long term.

>>41629456
That isn't trickle down economics dumbass, trickle down is giving the rich tax breaks on the implication they'll invest more, was proven to fail already.
>money that is supposed to trickle down is put offshore forever
You missed something.
>...or alternative seize the fed and print and distribute to the populace as need be.

>>41623673
>humans are too greedy. we need the government to prevent them from fucking eachother over
>also communism will work because people aren't greedy
neck yourself you retarded highschooler.

Weak men often decide they can't compete in the dominance hierarchy that all men must do for mates. They try to place themselves in ideological positions to undermine the need to compete, all while declaring themselves surpassing those inferior [insert political or class distinction].

Heroes challenge the unknown while knowing it can destroy them. Why? Cause dragons have gold. That's why we have to compete with one another and do so while caring the weight of our fears and past demons. Women want to fuck heroes and our ancestors knew that for so long that they included a virgin as the prize for killing a monster.

>>41629222

Reporting. Fuck communism, socialism, and anarchism.

>>41629873

Idk brobro your romanticism of past times and talk of qt3.14 virgin gf prizes for defeating mythological creatures makes you sound a lot like a virgin yourself.

Left wing politics are definitely a feminine trait. Look at voting habits, women slant far more left then men. I can't stand leftwing fsggots.

>>41630419
This has nothing to do with romanticism and all to do with biology. Those mythological stories were representations of the observed human experience and repackaged in fantastical imagery to aid the cultural transmission of the lessons and observations learned.

Chimp females fuck every male they can find. Human females select a male based on the females observation of the local dominance hierarchy. She wants a male equal to or greater than her value. Hero's are the males at the top of the hierarchy. The brute isn't the hero because we all instinctively know that he creates instability in the tribe and therefore for our progeny. The innumerable recreations of the hero myth in human cultures has the purpose of guiding young men towards the stable path of advancement in the dominance hierarchy; that of emulating the Hero's path. A heroic male is willing to face chaos both internally and externally. That is incredibly beneficial to the stability of a group. That action in itself grows the mans wisdom, his station and respect in the tribe. He now has a greater chance of passing on his genetics. So in effect, the man faced demons and was rewarded with a female who wants his babies.

>Girls don't want no scrub

There are important observations of humanity lost when we act like fedora wearing euphoric intellects far above the need for ancient mans wisdom.

>>41622259
Honest question, how do you account for all the men who work hard and take care of their family that are liberal?
I would consider scientists hard working, they had to work hard for many years to get to the point of earning their doctorate. Most of them are liberals though.
I know many pharmacists and doctors that are liberal as well, but just because you go the gym (a lot of them do too) you think you know what it means to work hard and they don't?

>>41623364
So you're saying that people can't be lumped together in an entire political stance and they have different opinions?
Fascinating!
Hey, I've heard you're right-wing and go on /fit/, which means you hate jews, blacks, women, and that you are gay. You also take sips every morning, only do SS or Texas Method, and absolutely adore Hitler.
If you have any opinions that differ from this then everyone on /fit/ must be liars because they can't hold those beliefs if you don't.

Fucking retards, get a grip on actual reality and realize extremists are fucking loud. Most liberal/moderate people really do believe "equal" mean morally, as in you shouldn't shit on someone because of their origin/culture. Doesn't mean these people actually are the same.

>>41629873
>>41630748
Clean your room.

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>>41631296
All praise be to lord Kek and the prophet Jordan Peterson.

>He's not a mercantilist

Top Cuck

>>41626152
"alt-right" is just everyone on the right under the age of 30. thats all it is

media is left wing so they make it into some big bullshit scare

>>41621632
>>41621761

Here is the actual study to save the thread.
The method is great and the results valid, although the sample is pretty limited (British students).

t. Statistics fag

Now please use this to save the thread.

http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(16)30390-7/fulltext

>>41626771
The weak should fear the strong

>>41622821

You disgusting pile of trash

>>41632801
>save the thread
It's literally a /pol/ thread. There's nothing to be saved

>>41628334

what's with you nignogs talking about dicks so much

i would kill you if you try to chimp out on me

>>41621899
your problem fundamentally is not you being able to attain your dream, it's what your dream is...

for people like bill gates their dream (at least at the begining) was creating or inventing their thing, it was a task oriented goal not the fruits of that. your dream should be your work not the fruits of it.

the world does not care what you want, the world only cares of what you can do for it. dream of accomplishment, things won't magically appear.

>>41623532
Not him and I agree, less gov the better but an excess of capitalism is why the world is headed down the path it is. Why move factories to the third world, when you can bring the third world to you? We've all felt it m8. Wherever there's high paying jobs, theres lobbyists demanding free access to foreign labour for micro shekels and our youth are left in the dark. We're an entire generation of disenfranchised males because there is nothing worth clinging on to apart from what they try to sell us.

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I am a classical liberal.

>>41622025
At least we have the 2nd Amendment so there's really only so far a government can go.

>>41622030
>be me
>jewish
>millionaire
>don't need to work
>vote conservative

>goyim
>works 8 hours a day for pennies
>votes to keep me rich

feels good man

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>Boohooo there was this one guy in 100 million that inherited something from his rich parents, he must be punished for this.

I will inherit some land from my grandparents when they pass away, should this be equality divided between Jamal and Laquysha even though the land is not so much worth? I cant wait until your children will inherit something from you and they realize that their commie parents gave it away to someone else.

I swear to God these commies

>>41633903
what jewboy said


I make $220k, and I'm still not at the point where it makes sense to start voting conservative.

all you blue collar normie fucks are cucking yourselves by voting away your government healthcare. the estate tax is good for you because YOU DON'T HAVE AN ESTATE

>>41622413
What makes you think you're a success? University is the beginning of your adult education and if you don't want to be stuck in a dead end job it won't end till your retirement.

>>41631246
>So you're saying that people can't be lumped together in an entire political stance and they have different opinions?
No, I'm saying they actually think that, they just lie about it.
>Most liberal/moderate people
I said leftists, not "liberal/moderate". Can't you read?

>>41621829
That's because you're gay, anon. It's physically weak and gays. OP should have precised it.
How do I know you're gay? Well, you're leftist. And the second hint was 2,5 hours in the gym. You gotta be fucking in the gym if it takes you that long.

>>41622202

Max Kek and Max Cringe all at the same time

>>41621846
balance is the key
some socialism is needed and some control of companies is needed too.
If there's too little of either you get deep divides in wealth and a lot of people suffering.
If there's too much you ruin your country, turn authoritarian and there's a lot of people suffering too.

>>41634048
>some socialism is needed
No it's not, some welfare state is needed, sure, but the welfare state isn't socialism.

>>41626734
>>41621894
One has nothing to do with the other. One is about moral issues the other is about economy. For example, current Polish government are socialist conservatives.
You guys are retarded.

>>41622202
Why do normies think weightlifting makes you better at fighting?
I had a manlety DYEL friend who knew judo/wrestling and I could barely touch him when we sparred for fun.

>>41634050
yes it is
>>41634055
because it does. It won't make a fighter out of you but you will punch harder. Are you retarded?

>>41632040

This post is too intelligent for 4chan standards.

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>>41621632

Nnnnnnope

>>41634060
>yes it is
No it isn't, you don't know what socialism is, you're probably american. Socialdemocracy isn't socialism. Socialism is, at the very least, worker's ownership of the means of production, which isn't needed at all for the welfare state. Scandinavian countries aren't socialist, they're socialdemocratic, they have a really corporate friendly fiscal policy.

>>41634060
>It won't make a fighter out of you but you will punch harder
The average person doesn't even know how to throw a decent punch, being able to throw shitty punches but with more force doesn't help you much if you need to fight. I'm not saying being stronger isn't useful for fighters.

>>41634055
Because it does, provided you train at fighting.
Weightclasses don't exist to protect the heavy guys from the light guys, bruh.
Heavyweights don't skip resistance training, bruh.

>>41634073
you're not the one to make definitions of what socialism is. Welfare is a part of socialism. Period.

>>41634082
you train movement patterns while lifting weights. Extensions and such. Of course it would help in a fight compared to someone completely untrained

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>>41621632
there is probably nothing to be done with political provokation via text or pictures in board that is deticated to fitness

this is temple of warriors, not temple of masturbators or politic enthusiasts

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>>41622821