/Fasting/ general

retarded question but do you still lift while fasting?

>>41612718
not op, but you should

>>41612423
>Pic related is me after an 8 day fast
lol no way, I am on finishing day 6 and there is no difference

>>41612833
Really? Obviously not as hard or intense right

>>41612934
op s pic is obvious bait

>>41612833
id like to but my mind goes insane after the first day

>>41612934
like 6 whole days of no eating?

>>41612974
yes, will be doing a total of 5-6 weeks, it is easy now. Felt like shit 2nd and 3rd day, no hunger but huge cravings, I literally go and smell food in the fridge

b a i t

can I sip when fasting?

>>41613014
>
sip what?

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>>41613153
>sip what?

>>41613153
confirmed never going to make it

>>41612718
Yes but dont go too heavy unless you know your body well and can handle the load
>>41613014
Yes but dont over do it and make sure its zero cal/surgar
>>41612974
You don't have to do 6 full days, Just start with the basic and do IF then work your well to doing a single days and then do more

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>>41613153
Why are you here?

>>41612423
Been doing this combination of keto, intermittent fasting and alternate-day fasting for about 4 days now, gotten noticeably leaner, the bloated look is gone. Feeling a little weak but overall been feeling really good.

>>41612996
You sound obese. it's funny how you talk like you're not an obese fuck

>>41612934
Because you're a fatty

>>41613300
I am not obese, have a bmi of 26 which is pretty high though but it was 30 at it's highest
>>41613402
probably

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>>41612423
>reverse search OP's image on google
>liposuction before and after 18 months

something doesn't add up here

pic related

>>41613300
how can I sound obese but talk like I am not? Why do you also have to insult me? Are you mad? Are you the same person that always come in every fasting thread and call people fat and obese? If it makes you so angry it is probably better to not enter

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>>41612423
Can I take nicotine gum on a fast? Or, will this screw things up? I don't smoke I just study a lot and I supplement with caffeine and nicotine to help with retention.

Did a 4 week alt day fast (500cal on one day, around maintenance the next). No lifting. Lost 18 lbs of fat barely any muscle. The first 4 fast days were meh facing habbits more than hunger. 5th fast day (day 10) was brutal. Then every fast day after was easy af with habits gone too. Now Im back to bulking after losing 8% (29% to 21%) bodyfat. Any muscle i did lose was back in the 2nd week and its hard to hit macros and bulk calories cause I feel like Im eating a lot.

Skinnyfat beginner

doing 23:1 IF and my sister left a can of red bull zero at home, does this fuck anything up?

>>41613896
>does
It could spike insulin but its not like itll find anything.

>>41612996
You will die if you do 6 weeks, but you are trolling

>>41613896
>>41613922
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28502831/
study on sucralose aka splenda

>>41613896
it depends, did you rape your sister?

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Fasted for about 12 days. Here is progress. Just drank water and some mixed salts at night time.

>>41613967
Why? I can't find the study but there was one were a fat guy fasted for a year under medical supervision and he had no signs of organ damage. I'm pretty sure that there have been other studies too

there are also several people on the internet that have fasted for ~4 weeks but who knows maybe they all lie

Been doing IF for some time now, and enjoying it.Usually do 14/20 desu, but seeing some fat loss already after 2 weeks

>>41614034
That boy had medical supervision and drank additional nutrients and vitamins for safety.

>>41614076
I am also taking multi vitamins, minerals and salt. If I feel bad I will stop

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Is consuming a protein shake after a work out and nothing else for the day considered fasting? Or should I just cut that shit out to reap these benefits?

>>41614106
Leave a suicide note telling your close ones to notify us on /fit/ so we'll know how long you lasted

>>41614115
Fasting of more than 16 hours has minimal effects on fat loss while being detrimental to muscle loss.

Consuming protein, or a the very least BCAA is very beneficial on days you're working out and I would do that regardless

I've been doing 16:8 for 3 weeks. I haven't noticed any benefits whatsoever and I'm irritable and unfocused while fasted and tired after I eat. Is there any point in continuing with this? It seems entirely detrimental.

>>41614264
You need to be in ketosis

I will do a 'fast' by eating only once a day. At work it's compulsory to eat something, so I'll just have some tiny-ass salad.

Will this still help me?

Is eating 600 calories a day in like 16:8 going to help keep muscle at all?

>>41614264
3 weeks and no improvement on mood? Have you been rigid?

go clean your room

Beyond dumb question, but could anyone please explain me what fasting is?

>>41614392
not eating

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>>41614392

> not doing fast curls at 20mph

>>41614115
no. you should not eat anything if you're fasting. let the ketosis do the work for you.
>>41613655
nice photoshop faggot what did you do spend 5 minutes in paint?
>>41613896
yes you're fucking with autophagy like a phaggot when you consume caffeine.
>>41614076
okay? what's your point? that you can successfully fast for long periods of time by adding salt to your water?

>>41614417
wat>>41614423
wat x2

>>41612423
pic is me
> what is reverse image search

>>41614392

Fasting refers to constantly increasing ones speed. It applies to lifting so that your lifts should always accelerate and cardio vise you should increase your speed during workouts.

>fasting

enjoy losing all your muscles, brehz

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/reflecting-on-five-years-studying-protein/

"In 2013, my first peer-reviewed article was published ahead of print in the form of a systematic review on protein intake in dieting, resistance-trained, non-obese individuals. I concluded it with an advisement that such individuals should consume 2.3-3.1g of protein per kg of LBM per day while dieting to maintain as much muscle mass as possible."

>>41614392
Basically this >>41614491
Didn't you see dragonball z? They fast so hard during exercise that their motions blur. Fasters aim to achieve the same effect. Muhammed Ali & Bruce Lee were well-known fasters

>>41614342
I am. 70/25/5

>>41614374
My room is already clean. I've had my first meal at 6 PM and my final meal at 12 AM for the past three weeks.

guys, I've done both a 7 day water fast as well as a 14 day water fast, there really isn't a better way to lose weight asap as long as you're not weak minded. But i have to ask ya'll a question, does a 28 day water fast sound a bit too crazy? or would it be better to do an alternate fast for 28 days? i'm confident i can do either, but i'm just worried if 28 days is pushing it, might try just 21.

Any experienced long fasters here?

>>41614610
da faq is a water fast. Im sorry I just dont know what is it.

>>41614498

For people who are huge and already quite lean, muscle loss is a real issue that should be considered and planned around.

For the average person on /fit/ (including you) it is not an issue

>>41614635
you only drink water and eat nothing else, optional: multi vitamins, minerals and salt

>>41614610
how can fast for so long?
after one day i cant even sleep properly

>>41614635
read
>>41614542

>>41614610
Prolonged fasting has added benefits compared to IF. What's your first meal after a 14 day?

>>41614013
(you) made me chuckle

>>41612423
do you take any vitamin/salt ?

>>41614013
mixed salts?

>>41614106
what specifically are you taking?

>>41614455
>you're fucking with autophagy like a phaggot when you consume caffeine.

Explain pls

>>41612423
Planning to start IF. I lift really late though. Can I whey after eating, or would it be better to start eating at 3-4 and finish after I lift. Is 14:10 worth doing as male?

Incredible results op.

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>>41612423
Did one of these a few years ago. Starting drinking way too much beer and stopped working out all together. Going to start another fast but with juicing so I don't feel that lack of energy that comes on after the 5th days of no food.

>>41613161
fuck you what is sipping

>>41612934

wot really you should notice a difference just in the flatness of muscles & less distension in your abomen due to the fact you're not digesting anything.

>>41613753
I heard about this recently (from Robb Wolf, I think). It's quite interesting. Does it really help that much?

5 days into my first fast and I'm already struggling not to have something. How am I supposed to go 14 days. Already broke and had an apple 2 days ago.

>>41619889

Uh, yeah.

Nicotine itself is a fairly strong stimulant. That alone should give you an indication that it will suppress appetite.

>>41612423

>Best guess for this image: liposuction before and after

>>41619890
You already fucked it up. You're on a 3 day fast now.

>>41619890
You kind of have to go hermit. Since so much of social activity is based around eating or drinking. Getting rid of all food in the house helps as well as avoiding places that pump out lots of smells of cooking. You are an animal and only have so much will power. Even if you got it set in your mind what you want to do you also got to avoid getting into situations where you tempt yourself and lose sight of the final objective.

>>41619906
Who's talking about appetite suppression?

>>41619917
this all-or-nothing sort of attitude in these threads needs to stop...

>>41619924

You're in a fasting thread, replying to a comment about fasting and nicotine, and you ask.

> Does it really help that much?

I wonder what people are going to assume that's in reference to .. in a thread about not eating ..

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>>41614013
kek

>>41619940
Perhaps you should read the original post about nicotine. He talks about retention, not appetite suppression.

>>41619935
Problem with fasting is there really is a 2-3 day period you have to go through after you stop eating. Those first 72 hours are hell on earth as your stomach screams to be filled. After that the hunger subsides greatly and it is easy to go long period. Eating again means he has to go though the long weekend hell of killing his hunger.

>>41619957
>appetite suppression
Stopped reading there, go back to plebbit

>>41619957

Maybe you should take a discussion on nicotine & study retention to a thread about nicotine & study retention.

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>>41619961
>someone points out your error
>he must be from Reddit

>>41619970
Or what?

>>41619971
>assumes I was the original poster and not just throwing out bait
Found the real redditor you fat sack of shit

>>41619958
it's not going to be anywhere near that bad after eating one (1) apple. obviously it's not something he should make a habit of, but if he's just starting and he needs an occasional apple to get through, like training wheels, i don't think there's anything wrong with that.

>>41619984
Hang yourself, kid.

Is fasting a bad idea if I work a physical job, I'm talking walking 10-12 miles day, lifting heavy shit, tons of body squatting, climbing ladders etc. I'm going to guess yes?

>>41620007
Kind of my problem. When you fast you lose energy at first and a bit of focus. I work a fast pace sales position and I could tell I was sluggish after a few days without food. I felt fine but I know my mind and body were just a half beat behind my actions.

>>41614364
Where do you work?

Can confirm fasting is real deal. Not only losing weight, but also actually feeling energized like never - doing cardio too those days despite calorie deficit.

Once you past initial stage of constant urging for food, it becomes extremely easy. The only thing to pay attention to is sugar and potassium (salt) levels in blood so you dont feel headaches.

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>>41612423
Whoah! I just fasted for 30 minutes and look at my results!

>>41619971

> He doesn't realise there are multiple people replying to him.

smugpepe.mov

>>41614364
>At work it's compulsory to eat something

kek. i would actually suggest you do 23/1 and eat a big meal for your mandatory lunch.

>>41620223

wow thats it for a 6-10k+ surgery? lol. you can get the after pic after like 30 days of moderate exercise

>>41612423

This meme has gone too far. You're posting a picture from a liposuction surgery that can be reverse image searched. You're actively telling people to fuck themselves over in a way that will have long term ramifications. Please stop.

When I fast for 2 days, my body feels like it will suddenly pass out if I went outside. Every action I make feels so light and unbalanced. What do you guys do on really long fasts? Do you still go to work or do you time them to occur when you are going to stay at home all day?

>>41620295
Retard fasting is natural. Keep eating 8 meals a day fatso.

>>41619534

If I were to estimate, you went from 164 @ 25% body fat to 148 @ 20%. Altogether, this would imply 5.5 lbs of muscle loss in 3 weeks. That's terrible by any one's standards. That totals to 4.5 months worth of natty gains lost in 4/5ths of a month. To compound this, the less fat one has on their body, the faster the rate of muscle loss. If someone were to do this starting near 15%, they'd likely lose twice the amount of muscle mass that you did. You totaled 5.5 lbs of muscle loss with 10.5 lbs of fat over about 3 1/2 weeks - you could have aimed for a 1250 deficit and lost 8 lbs in the same amount of time without the muscle loss and while getting to still eat 1300 kcal/day.

>>41620320
take more salt.

>>41620381
>Altogether, this would imply 5.5 lbs of muscle loss in 3 weeks.
Show your work. It is a common "well known fact" that fasting burns muscle more then fat. I did it and felt even more strength after the refeed then when I was heavier. I am not saying you are wrong but you are pulling shit out of your butt. Need some evidence to follow your input.

>>41620446

Because you don't into basic math:

165 @ 25% = 123.75 lbm - 42 fat mass
148 @ 20% = 118.4 lbm - 29.6 fat mass

Lbm @ 165 - LBM @ 148 = 5.35

These numbers were based on the visual prediction of 25% to 20%. Because you don't have an actual verified body fat measurement before/after, guesses are the closest someone could get.

The average person can only gain 1.5-2 lbs to of lean muscle tissue in the first year of training, 1 between years 2 and 3, 0.5 on year four, and 0.1-0.25 by year 5. Assuming the best case scenario that you still had newb gains to make, you threw away 2.5 months of muscle in three weeks. The average person who's been in the gym for a year and who is starting at a lower body fat around 20 would likely lose 8 lbs of muscle, or 8 months of gains, for pretty mediocre results.

>>41620527

To add to this, of course you felt stronger: you reduced the amount of weight you had to carry around by 10%; walking, running, abd anything else involving bodyweight would become loads easier due to being 10% less heavy. If you had actually been in the gym lifting heavy or doing any other exercises that are directly correlated with strength you would have noticed massive drops in working weight/actual muscle strength. Endurance and Strength are not one in the same.

>>41620320

I'm a bike messenger, I go to work during my fasts just fine. Currently 9 days into my current fast although 3 days ago I ended up having a small piece of toast.

>>41612718
Not a retarded question.

It comes down to personal preference I believe. You wont have the energy to go balls to wall and even if you could you woukdnt be able to consume adequate nutrition for recovery.

Thats unless you're doing IF instead of 24 plus hrs of fasting

>>41619958
>Problem with fasting is there really is a 2-3 day period you have to go through after you stop eating. Those first 72 hours are hell on earth as your stomach screams to be filled.
you can drastically reduce this by being in ketosis prior to fasting

>>41620007
do you have much body fat? if so it should be ok. but to start go on a keto diet for 3-4 weeks, then shift to IF (eating once per day at night). then if you can survive work doing that fasting for longer periods shouldn't be much of a problem. just make sure to take salt and vitamins.

>>41612718
Yes otherwise your body will probably use your muscle as energy source. Also when cutting keep your Protein high as fuck in your eating Windows to get a positive nitrogen balance.

>>41620320
prescription strength stimulants and potassium/magnesium/salt

>>41620320
I work two jobs and do volunteer first aid, One job I'm on my feet walking for hours. I go to work fine. Just entering day 9, was debating quitting tomorrow but I'm going to stick to my goddamn goal and make it to wednesday.

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>>41619958
>tfw on second day of water fasting

>>41613967
retard

boogie could go 3 months without any food at all and probably longer as long as he took some vitamins and water

Turns out...

Not eating..

Loses fat

>fasting

Why are you not just eating less? Why willfully torture yourselves if this isn't a religious or cultural thing?

>>41621764
because it is easier to water fast for 5 days to week then having a dieting/cut for a month and burn more or less the same amount of fat.

>>41621764
if you eat frequently even small amounts of food
your body will never use fat for energy

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>>41612423
pls stop this spamming

>>41622036
wrong

>>41622148
wrong

eating -> elevated insulin -> no lipolysis

>>41614186
>Fasting of more than 16 hours has minimal effects on fat loss while being detrimental to muscle loss.

thats the stupidest fucking retard bullshit ive ever heard in my entire life

fuck off with ur broscience

>>41622173
so how did I lose weight by eating ~1500 cal / day?

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>>41614186
>Fasting of more than 16 hours has minimal effects on fat loss

>>41622218
where does one get potassium salt?

>>41614013
damn, anon looks like THAT?

>>41622238
I don't think my post was about potassium salt. In any case, you don't need it. Taking normal salt (read: sea salt) will keep your potassium levels in check.

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>>41612423
pic related is me after a bottle of tren

>>41616492
a multi-vitamin/mineral that my mom have that contain like everything and then like 1/4 teaspoon salt

>>41620007
ye try one meal a day instead

>>41614455
>>>41613655
>nice photoshop faggot what did you do spend 5 minutes in paint?

https://www.pinterest.se/lipoadvisor/liposuction-techniques-before-and-after-photos/

>>41614065
14 hours of eating and 20 os fast? Just to confirm

>>41622634
probably a typo, 4/20 is more likely

>>41621764
>cut for ~1 month in total to get back to training in full
>spend up to 6 months or more spinning your wheels fucking with your metabolism and losing muscle
hmm....

If you're natty, crash dieting (including water fasts) > traditional dieting

>>41622209
They don't fucking understand that the insulin elevation is proportional to the amount of food , for these retard insulin is an on /off switch .

>check my salt shaker
>per 100g
>potassium 21g
>mag 1.8g
>iodine .5mg
Why exactly do you all take a ton of supplements? Just buy a shaker of sea salt lmao

>>41612423
>Pic related is me after an 8 day fast
>I developed pecs in 8 days
still a shitskin tbqh

>>41620080
big corporation where team lunch is mandatory.
THere's salad bar, sandwiches or warm food

>tfw broke 8 day fast by eating half a pineapple


fuuuuuuuuuuck back to square one

>>41624332
You probably still lost like 3-5kg of fat Tbh

On day 7 right now and i feel super energetic compared to the last 3 days. Thinking I could go another week easily, 21 days might be pushing it. Only thing I've "eaten" is a tums tablet for the fucking acid reflux I seem to be getting. Down 12 lb so far

Doesn't fasting make you lose muscle? Do you take BCAA's?

>>41621764

>torture is ok if its because of religion

muslims get out

>>41619849
a forced meme shilled by energy drinks companies on this very board.

So is 23/1 ideal for a skinny fat guy who is at the 4 months of lifting mark? I'm ready to get rid fo this fat tire around my stomach

Starting my next fast. I took a break after 4 weeks to rebuild some muscle. Going to try and hit 15% BF from 22% by July now.

>>41624987
it's a good introduction to fasting but, depending on how much fat you want to drop, your fat loss might stall after a while.

>>41612718
No do it at night

>>41625091
i did a three day fast a few years back but wasnt lifting and wasnt prepared. maybe another three day is in order? I need to drink much more water this time

>>41613622
>uses BMI instead of weight and bf%
You're a fat fuck regardless, mate. There's no hiding it

>>41613161
>new fag

>>41613760
Stop the bulking and keep cutting, boyo. Bulking is much more rewarding when at a lower bodyfat (you can actually see your muscles) and it'll be easier to cut down from there as well

>>41625321
I'm not hiding it, I said before that I was not obese but that I was fat

why do you use insults? are you mad?

>>41613760
>alt day fast (500cal on one day, around maintenance the next)
>fast
>500cal

>>41612718
Only if it is intermittent fasting
I do 20/4 usually, but some times I eat only one time a day, and I lift hard
If you're going to fast for some days lifting is not recommended, go for LISS cardio instead (walking)

>>41622343
Im pretty sure thats not nearly enough bro.

>>41622634
It was a typo, I meant 14 hours fasting, 10 hours eating

>>41622173
Wrong
>Body needs x amount of calories a day
>Eat x-y calories
>Body takes y calories from fat
inb4 you claim CICO is a lie again.

>>41612423
i've been doing IF where i do 16/8, and i feel healthier and i've dropped 3 kg's (from 87 kg to 84-83 kg) ive been doing it for about a month while exercising pretty much every day and eating about 2k calories a day, should i step up my fasting game or just eat less to get me down to 80-78kg?

>>41614457
wat wat?
>>41614392
>>41614417
Fasting is literally not eating

>>41626108
no your body will just adapt and use less calories

>>41614610
If you're going for days without food, DO take some supplements, stop if you feel bad, and ease into starting to eat again
Supps: multivitamins, minerals, light salt (2/3 potassium)

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>>41614392

>>41614677
The bad effects of fasting are only in the first day(s). After the second day or so it is pretty much efortless and you can go on indifinitely as long as you have enough body fat and micronutrients.

>>41626108
>your expenditure is the same every day
>your body tallies up how much you eat and checks it against your expenditure precisely at midnight

this is what you sound like

>>41626309
>Adapts
Guess how it adapts.

>>41626723
your metabolism slows down

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>>41626832

I feel anxious while fasted and coffee makes it worse. What do I do?

>>41627205

Step 1 - Drink more coffee.
Step 2 - Profit.

>>41627205
ashwagandha

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>>41627136
not an argument

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>>41619849

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>>41627312
>Set point
Holy shit we have a real live HAES whale on /fit/.

>>41626389
You get all those benefits and more by simply reducing calorie intake.

>>41622036
Ah, right. So everyone who fasts is stupid. Thank you for this belated reply.

>>41628129
How did you reach that conclusion?

>>41614115
I'd like to feed her my banana if you know what I mean

Okay can someone tell me the safe way of fasting. Im on my second day of eating nothing but water.

>>41625404
no, you're just dumb enough to use BMI instead of bf%
I even forgot what your original post was about

>>41629247
The first thing to do is stop eating water and drink it instead
After that, just make sure you're getting enough sodium and potassium, as well as taking a multivitamin to make sure you don't die.

>>41612423
Your studies are decades old, done with a handful of people, or don't even prove what your are claiming they do.

Fasting consumes both fat but also significant amounts of muscle. Aside from the myriad of health and psychological issues involved, its not even worthwhile to do compared to cutting at 500 cal deficit because of this.

>>41619534
juicing?

>>41620321
Dying is natural too, but I've heard its very disastrous for your gains.

>>41614115
mirin tris