Be honest, how long did it take you to reach 1/2/3/4?

I can't actually remember the exact times for each as I've been lifting for 5 years now.

But I got 1/2/3/4 in this order, deadlift, squat ohp, bench.

Probably in all about 2 years to get there, but a lot of the first year was cutting. So its certainly doable more quickly.

Currently at 1.75/2.5/4/5 all for 5 reps, at 86kg bw.

2 months lifting
0.55/1/1/2

i can see reaching it in another 10-12 months

>>41565446

For the first 3, about 8 months. Took me another couple months for 4pl8. Less than a year though.

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45 kg / 65 kg / 122.5 kg / 135 kg

26 months lifting

Been going to the gym for almost 2 years and I'm only close to hitting /1/ and /2/ and maybe /4/. I took multiple breaks that fucked my progress. For example I took a 2 month break that brought my bench from 75kg down to 50kg. Took me almost 3 months to work back up. That's five months wasted. Also a lot of fucking around in no-routine-limbo. I'm on a proper program now though and plan on hitting 1/2/4/ in the next few months. I'll never get a 3pl8 squat because my hips and knees are fucked.

1/2/3/4 is definitely possible in a year or less if you're dedicated and don't have shit genetics like me.

2 months
no
0.2/0.6/0.7/1.5

Almost there, r-right?

>>41565525
lmao kys

>>41565446
0.75/1.65/2.5/3

>>41565557
"no". I'm only physically weak, not mentally.

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>>41565446
friendly reminder that 1/2/3/4 is a bullshit metric.

4 months
0.5/1/1.5/1.5
In 8-12 months maybe

>>41565525
>>41565544

wtf lol
I've been lifting for 2 months and I'm still and i hit 1/2/2/3

>>41565544
We're all gonna make it

>>41565583
post videos of your form

>>41565583
>I bench 2pl8s and deadlift 3pl8s after 2 months
sure you do, I'd love to see a vid of your lifts

>>41565446

2 months
0.5/1/1.5/2
I'm so fucking weak but I'm mostly focused on losing weight anyway so I mostly just try to get the form right.

I really dislike squatting, maybe it's because I'm tall (1.96) but I just can't do more than 4 good reps.

Where the fuck are you guys getting 20kg bars from? There's no way my bar or the ones at the gym I used to go to were 20kg.

>>41565621
Most bars are, are your heavier?

>>41565621
that's because you go to a shitty gym probably.

>>41565446
About 3 months lifting
no
1/1.5/2/2

I don't think my squat will ever get there

>>41565636
>only 1.5pl8 bench
push press confirmed

no worries, 95% of the guys at my gym that say they press X lbs are doing an unconscious leg drive motion, it's fun to watch

>>41565628
Unless my entire perception of weight is wrong, they're definitely lighter.

>>41565621
I pretty sure you couldn't even safely rack 20kg plates on a bar that weighs less than 20kg.

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>tfw OHP 1plate for 12 but can't bench 2 plate for 5.

My chest is fucking pathetic.

>>41565603
>>41565612
lmao, u mad?

I'll film myself at the gym in a few hours.
mark my words.

>>41565702
what's your 1rm press?

>>41565711
pls don't tease us any more, I'm looking forward for your awesome vid you'll totally post in a few hours!

7 months inconsistently with like a two month break in Jan/Feb.

at about 1/1.5/2.5/3

Bench is dogshit so I'm starting 2:1 bench to OHP ratio. 2pl8 feels so far away. Squats have been going up a lot and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to hit 3 next month sometime. Dead's I've been struggling with so may take a while longer. Hopefully I'll be repping out everything by the end of the year, after which I can focus on endurance/ cardio/ conditioning etc

>>41565613
This.
Man, how the fuck one does get good, or at least minimum confortable doing squats when you are a lanklet.

Jesus christ. I'm 1.95 and it's fucking hell

>>41565712

90kg is the highest I've managed. I probably could do more now though, I haven't tried a 1rm in months.

>>41565446
4 months
Yes
4 months
1/2/3/4

>>41565682
you're actually wrong, you're not required to use an olympic barbell to use 20 kg pl8s. There are 16 kg and and even lighter barbell where you can stuff various pl8s, I see them sometimes used [by females and] for OHP and pendlay row since these barbells allegedly allow for a better grip (their diameter is minor)
It seems to me that >>41565702 isn't actually using a 20 kg barbell for example (but obviously it's difficult to judge from such a grainy vid)

>>41565750
that's really good considering that you look kinda small in the vid - ht/wt?

also you really need to fix your benching m8, 90 kg press is on the level of a 3+ plate bench considering tri strength alone

>>41565754
Post body

>>41565754
wonderful, an intermediate strength athlete who got there in 4 months where talented individuals require years! Teach us your secrets, mind posting a vid of yourself deadlifting 4 pl8s and squatting 3 pl8s btw? Or their equivalent in the 5RM range if you prefer (154 kg and 120 kg)

>>41565754
me too

>>41565822
it's full of little Arnolds out there but no one will ever post anything, they won't reveal us their secret formula

>>41565822
Pussy

>>41565653
To be honest I can probably bench more, my latest working set was 1.5pl8, and I didn't want to inflate my stats on the internet.

But I also probably use a little leg drive.

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>>41565764

I know brah. I have tried a lot of different methods for bringing my bench up, and it always only climbs if I start getting too fat for my liking.
I have pretty long arms, and I think this hinders bench in two ways, longer ROM obviously, and also the strain on my shoulders is larger. Might explain why it doesn't impact OHP as much as I have a narrower grip.
I'm 5'10 85kg.

>tfw can't deadlift
>tfw can't sumo deadlift
>tfw can ohp lol1plaet
>tfw lol1plaet deadlift hurts

I fucking hate deadlifts because I want to do them and no matter what I do it doesn't feel comfortable

>>41565885

What about them feels uncomfortable?

>>41565885
You probably have shit mobility and flexibility. Deadlifting is one of the most natural movements.

SORT YOUR BODY OUT

Because of my proportions OHP->Diddly->Bench->Squat

I can OHP 65, diddly 180, bench 90 and squat 110 (kg)

>>41565702
the 1 plate OHP is by far the easiest of the 4 for most people, no need to worry

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>>41565760

It definitely is a 20kg barbell. My gym doesn't have any others.

>>41565446
OHP:57,5kg 3x5
Bench: 95,0kg 3x5
Squat: 115,0kg 3x5
Deadlift: 145,0kg 1x5

Hate squats. Worst lift IMO

>>41565955

1plate OHP for 12 reps is a lot more advanced than 2/3/4 for 5 reps. Or at least it should be.. I dunno how he can't bench 2plate for 5 if he can do that.

>>41565446
3 months for reps, but I work hard labor and weigh 240.

Fat privilege.

>>41565953
how many reps bro? My proportions are exactly like yours but i hit like 5 kg less on squat

3 and a half months lifting and I'm at 145 ohp/205 bench/270 squat/400 dead lift at 6"2 170lbs

>>41566061
1 rep max for ohp and diddly, 3~ for squat and bench

>>41565861
mirin

after a year of working, I'm at 1,5/2,5/4/4,75 1RM

Squat is by far the easiest to achieve first. For me, it's bench where I struggle a lot

>>41565446
did it a while ago in this order:

1. OHP
2. bench
3. squat
4. deadlift

oddly enough, i'm 6'5 and have a nearly 7'0 wingspan, so you'd think it would happen in the opposite order.

>>41566003
is this you? https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/38158974/#38160100
congratz, your chest doesn't look "fucking pathetic" if it's you
in all honesty, your chest seems better than your legs

>>41565446
waaaait what?
I though 1pl8 = 60
So like 60kg OHP
120kg benchpress
180kg squat
240kg Diddy

am I wrong?

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>>41566185

It is me.
My chest is underdeveloped compared to everything else and won't really grow stronger like the rest of my body.

And yeah my legs look fucking shit because 1. I have a really high vastus lateralis so it looks non existant unless I'm wearing short shorts, and 2 because I walk 10+ miles a day in my job which makes maintaining leg mass really damn hard.

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>>41566044
As for order, it went dl then squat than OHP then bench.

I'll post a body pic later if anyone cares, but it's prole-disgusting

>>41566194
No, that's pretty close.
Burger equivalents would be 135/225/315/405

>>41566213
>My chest is underdeveloped
no, it's not, you have some dysmorphia. You look awesome.

>>41566194
yes youre wrong

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>>41565446
I have long limbs and a babies torso (avgs out to 6'1)
>Lifting years
>hit 1pl8 ohp a few months into lifting, hit 4pl8 deadlift after 1.5 years, 2pl8 pench a few months ago.
>struggle squatting 3 reps at 185lbs
>kill me now

>>41566194
jesus christ.
1 pl8 = 60, correct. 20(bar)+20(plate)*2
2 pl8s = +20(plate)*2 = +40 kg = 100 kg, not 120.
3 pl8s = +40 kg = 140 kg
4 pl8s= +40 kg = 180 kg

Anyway, if you look at >>41565578 the real intermediate goal (for a 80 kg male according to stats gathered from weightlifters in that weight range) are
60/90/120/140
rather than 60/100/140/180
and that's a LOT of difference

>>41566302
>lifting 2.5 years*

>9 months in just hit 1 pl8 ohp for 1 rep
Nothing else is even remotely close

>>41565682
you can, 10-12kg bars can handle about 80kg added without bending like crazy.

>>41566334
same OHP and 2.5 pl8 bench, step it up

>>41566352
Wait wtf, is 1pl8 ohp your 1rm or for reps?

>>41565583
such strong estats

5 months
ohp 125
bench 170
skwaat 250
diddly 335

should hit it by the end of the year

>>41566213
too big

>>41566363
both 1rm, ohp is clean form though. Gymlads have similar ratios too, I have a feeling most of /fit/ just push presses instead of keeping it strict, hence the high ohp/bench ratios

I don't ohp. I do weighted dips instead.

>>41565502
Your bench is fucking terrible. Idiot

>>41566539
>120 kg 5RM = 140 kg 1RM = 3pl8s
>terrible
>for bench
shut the fuck up.

>>41566567
it's good, but quite terrible in comparison to his other lifts - if he can press 90 for 5 he should be able to hit close to 100, which is proportional to a ~160 (3.5pl8) bench atleast

6 years lifting.
The longest one was 2 plate bench, took me about 14 months. Hit 3 plate squat and 4 plate deadlift after 10 months and 1 plate OHP after 7.
Now I bench 3, squat 4, DL 5 and I don't do standing barbell OHP but I do seated DB shoulder press with 95s.

>>41566586
"Should be able to" doesn't count for shit, everyone is different especially once you're moving beyond beginner weight and strengths/weaknesses/injuries come into play.

>>41566614
sure, but we're talking about a model athlete that is as proportional as it gets on all 4 lifts

Close to 1 and 2 I might hit in 2 months or less. 3 and 4 no where close I struggle with the form so badly

>>41565446
>1/4, 1/2, 1,5, 2
>1 yr lifting
>sleeping 3hrs max a night because of sleep insomnia
fuck my shit up fäm
telling myself to see a doctor for a few years now

>>41566349
>10-12kg bars can handle 80kg

u wot, i have somewhere a 8kg bar that can take 125 (written, so probably around 150 without it breaking or some shit)

>>41566213
Mirin lats

>>41565446
I got 1pl8 ohp for 5 after just 10 months, currently after 1 year and 2pl8 bench for a double reps, 3pl8 squat for a single and I still cant deadlift 4pl8.

5'9 manlet 170lbs probably 18% bf.

I also couldn't work out due to injury for almost 2 months shortly after getting the ohp for 5 reps. Don't egolift, kids. I didn't listen and learned the hard way.

>2 Weeks lifting
>55Kg OHP standing, 65Kg sitting (exmil so OHP is my jam).
>85Kg Bench press.
>120Kg Squat.
>150Kg Deadlift mix grip.

First started lifting at 17, 29 now, still haven't made it.

Haven't really been trying though, mostly tried to stay lean for climbing and then was into boxing for awhile and cycling too.

1/2/3/4 at 5'10 145lbs would have been cool though. At 165 I can OHP 165, haven't flat benched in years, haven't back squated in years, I can dead 340 for 5 easy and don't really push it due to injuries so I suppose I could do 4 if I wanted.

>>41566964
>then was into boxing for awhile
I want to start boxing soon and thats why i started lifting. Is strenght training for box bad? I know its mostly about technique and cardio but i am pretty sure you can up your KO power with some weightraining

>>41565510
lol. no

>>41565446
25
6'2
215
Lifting seriously for 5 months
Currently at
145 ohp
235 bench
245 squat
315 dead

Legs are lacking due to extremely tight hips. I pulled my hip flexors about 2 months in and stalled.

>>41567069

I mean it can help, but it's obviously less important than practicing technique and conditioning.

Obviously you're not training MMA three times a week and doing a 4 day split and doing cardio, while working full time without a huge commitment and risk of overtraining.

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>>41565446
>Started out being able to do a 1pl8 OHP
>I never benched early on. When I tried after about a year of various exercise, (might have benched twice in that year) I was able to get 245.
>Got 305 on the squat at about 8 months, but had to stop before I could try 315 because of time constraints. Tried 335 about a year later, got it. Pic related
>I’m still not there on the deadlift. My form is so bad that I’ve never tried more than 365 lb.

Never followed a program. Just worked out with my coworkers at lunch, which sometimes involved barbells.

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>>41566614
>model athlete
>on /fit/

>>41565446
I can sit on the weight bench and do OHP with two 75 lbs dumbells. Would I likely be able to do the 1 plate with barbell OHP or is the technique quite a bit harder? 135 doesn't seem that heavy.

>>41565544
I've been lifting for about 7 months now

at .5 / 1 /1.5 / 1.75

squat and dl is for 3 reps and the ohp and bench is 5 so I need to do those again to see where I'm at with 3 reps

we're all gonna make it

>>41569053
couldn't really figure out best way for all of them so I'll just make them pounds to be less confusing

95 / 135 / 185 / 205

>>41568046
what kind of job do you have?
doin 1pl8 ohp first time is impressive

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>>41569076
Engineering. I just have naturally good shoulders.
To be completely fair, I didn’t come in and find out my PR’s on my first day.
I just recall the first time I tried to get a max OHP it was 135 or over, and a 195 for a push press (using knees to help) I never had to work up to it.
Thanks for the compliment though.

>>41565702
Still nothing compared to this guy who can do
12 reps of 1pl8. I can do maybe 8 in a set on a good day.

>>41569183
did you ever consider becoming a sperm donor?

.75/1.5/2.25/3

GETTING THERE

What! A pl8 is 20kg? This whole time I thought it was 25kg as its the heaviest at my gym.

This changes a lot of things...mentally I mean for my goals.

Anyways, I guess I can OHP a pl8 now.
I thought it'd be bench first then OHP.

Ironically I've only started doing OHP since April, and I've been benching since February.

I thought I got to a pl8 in April but apparently it was in March.


Anyways

23
5"11
189
1/1.5/2/2

>>41565446
10 months.
Stats at the time were 5'7" 160 lbs. I weigh 170 now and am so close to triple bodyweight deadlift that it hurts.

I hit 4 pl8 dl first after about two years.
1 pl8 ohp i hit shortly after
I was 20 lbs away from 2pl8 bench and i dislocated my shoulder
I'm still 30ish lbs away from 3pl8

not gonna make it

>2 months
>no
>100/165/265/275

6'2 185. Chestlet and I've never done diddlies before and they suck. A-at least I got strong legs.

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>>41566044
this body can do 5/4.5/2.5/1.5

I made myself a loincloth out of a belt and a dishrag cause people were whining about censoring genitals.

>>41570291
Mirin loincloth

>>41565502
Congrats bro, i hope to achieve that level some day. dw about the guy trolling

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>>41565446
at 115/175/250/345 (pounds and 5 rep sets, deadlift is set of 3 double overhand grip)
currently 2.5 months in
it sounds better than it is because i am 6'4" and 215 lbs.

>1/1.5/2/3
2 years

I-I'm never gonna make it am I?

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I assume anyone who gains strength faster than me is a strongfat chad with a large frame who only gains faster because he can't stop stuffing his gullet and played on the high school football team.

Low-test manlet wristlet hardgainer uprising when?

>>41565613
>>41565743
I'm 6'1 so a few inches shorter than you guys, but I've got a shite squat as well (almost at 2pl8 for bench but just under 1½ for squat). We have bad leverages, but there's also the matter of bad technique and low strength. I'd recommend dropping a bit (which I know is depressing) and really honing your technique. For me it was simply not looking down and keeping my chest up. It might be bad "breaking" or curved bar path for you guys. Asking a seasoned lifter and recording your own sets will help too.
Just whatever you do, don't force reps with bad form. I just returned from an unplanned vacation to snap city and it was not worth it. Good luck boys :)

i can curl the 35 lbs dumbells for 8-10 reps and i can get 12 reps if i really push it would doing a couple sets of negative reps with the 40 lbs dumbells work to get size on my biceps my arms are 14 and 3/4 and im 5'8 they will not grow im also eating enough

>OHP-got it at 1st attempt when starting to lift seriously about a year ago, haven't progressed much, PR is 150
>Bench-was able to get it in high school junior year after about 1 year of serious lifting, was able to get it for 10+reps before graduation, 12 years later and bench strength hasn't left
>Squat-got it at around 6months of serious lifting less than a year ago, haven't gotten for reps yet
>Diddy-haven't achieved yet, still a goal, PR is 360 now
>GF-first in 7th grade, lost V-card at 19, married at 27, been married 4 years

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>>41570874

4 or 5 years with various breaks

Yes I don't exactly remember when I hit them but it was when I was 17

3ish years

>>41565510
You won't reach 3 plates in 3 months I'm telling you this now

>>41565446
I'm at 1/1.5/2 plates and a 10/3. I don't know how I did it but I reached one plate on ohp for a 1rm before 2 plates on bench or 3 plates on squat

>>41565544
In a year if you really try you'll get your deadlift to at least 3 plates

>>41565446
120 ohp
160 bench
215 squat
245 deadlift

>>41565525
It's time to take a look at your routine and diet, friendo

>tfw shit tier lower body

OHP/Bench/Squat/Dead
150/245/270/305 x 3

For those who've reached 1/2/3/4

Where do you redeem your 1 free gf coupon?

>Don't have a ton of weight
>Barely enough to reach 1plate in total weight
>Do my exercises for a few months
>After three or four months, got to the point where I could just about do a 1 plate OHP
>Felt like I was still weak as fuck
>Go to /fit/ and see all these people saying 1plate OHP is hard and now I feel slightly less bad

>>41571613
sorry friend, it's not 2/3/4/5
inflation is one hell of a drug

>>41571560
>can almost bench as much as you squat
shit muh nigga

>>41568046
>squat is still 1x bodyweight

>>41571613
you get a bf

How the fuck do you make progress with OHP?
Mine is so pathetic and it's never going anywhere

Is the secret auxiliary isolations?
Or microloading?
My gym only has 5lb plates as the lowest increment

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>lifting 4 years
>Cant even crack 3pl8 diddly

Should i just roid or what

>>41571758
Increase reps. When you can do 5, keep doing 5 until you can do 8. When you get 8, load 5lb until you can only get 5 again.

after around 6 months my 1rms were 60 kg for press, 85 for bench, 130 for squat and 140 for deadlift. around 73 kg bw

>>41565446
didnt take long. lifting on and off for 2 years-ish but really serious the last 6-7 months. i have surpassed all those goals but i still look like shit. im fat as fuck. the 1/2/3/4 should not be a goal at all. for me the 2 plate bench was the hardest for whatever reason, i was able to unrack 2pl for ohp and get it just above my nose before reracking lol. i guess it helps to be fat. idk. have i gotten laid for lifting heavy? nope. not once lol so 1 gf is probably the hardest.

>>41571758
http://startingstrength.com/articles/stronger_press_starr.pdf

>>41571837
>>41571758
to save you some time calculating the program looks like this

warmup
bar 2x5 (optional)
0.6 1x8
0.7 1x5
0.8 1x3
0.9 1x1

work set
3-6x3 (start with 3 sets of 3 then increase by 1 set when you can do it. once you can do 6x3 increase weight and start at 3x3 again). personally i always did 6 sets regardless of how many reps i could do as i've seen better results that way.

back off set
0.8-0.85 1x10

i also did 3-4 sets of 12 reps after back off set at around 0.7

>>41565446
>How long have you been lifting
Since the end of last year doing meme machines and no real schedule, about 2 months into a PPL routine

>Have you hit 1/2/3/4 yet?
40kg / 65kg / 80kg / 80kg

So no nowhere near. By the end of the year I expect to get 1/2/3 but probably not 4 plate deadlift.

>>41566017
I fucking hated squats till I fixed my form. It's so satisfying now

Already got to 1 plate 5x5 OHP.
Im 1,5 plates on the other lofts (kind of stalling at bench, but can still progress on squat and dl)

Been lifting for 6 months

Currently at .5/1/2/3

Asymmetric as fuck

>>41571767
my guess is that you're one of those skinny fags. Head to https://symmetricstrength.com/calculator/ideal_bodyweight and reach at least the minimum expected bw for a bobybuilder of your height

>>41571758
dips and weighted dips if you're skinny

>>41565711
>15 hours later

>>41572896
>https://symmetricstrength.com/calculator/ideal_bodyweight
wtf how am I supposed to gain this much weight? I think I will go for a sprinters body then.

Wait hold on a so are these values for one rep max or?

Can't remember times, but I'm assymetric as fuck when it comes to my lifts. Been lifting for 4 years though.

2/2.5/4/6.5

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I started at 180 lbs 8 months ago, here were my lifts:
OHP: 95
Bench: 135
Squat: 155
Deadlift: 185

Focused on benching heavy 2x a week and missed out on squat/diddly gains due to back injury but I'm now at
OHP: 185
Bench: 285
Squat: 275
Diddly: 315

>>41569605
This is me, same stats. >>41565636

23
6'1"
194 lbs

We'll make it together brah

>>41571275
I actually haven't broken linear progression on deadlift yet. I just lifted again and I'm up to 85kg now. I think the next one might be the first to get difficult.

The slowest is OHP, tried 30 kg today, only managed one full set.

>>41574162
Eh I was assuming it's 3x5.

>>41574197
Seems alright to me desu. Your diddly is a little high compared to your squat maybe but it's easier to yank something off the ground.

1.5 years lifting
At 0.75/1.75/3/4 for 5RM
Can probably do 1/2 for 1 rep

I got all the lifting goals by the end of freshman year in highschool. I only started lifting the year before, but i had been doing sports all my life as a a child. Didn't get a gf until sophomore year of college.
Getting the gf was the hardest part.

>>41573679
>sprinters body
not gonna make it

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>>41565446
lifting about 4/5 months
0.5/1/1.5/1.25
how do improve my deadlift, it is lacking even though I've been doing just heavy compounds I'm doing all 4 lifts twice a week, 5x5

>>41571767
It's all anatomy breh. Lanklets with long arms have an easier time deadlifting but a harder time benching.

>>41575381
with that press he could be benching 3.5

>>41565446
>coherently explaining lingo of benghazi carpet knitting forum to newcomers out of your good will

Who do you think you are?

>>41571714
more like 2/3.5/5/6 if you wanna be proportional

>>41571758
Close Grip Bench, Heavy Arnold Presses, and Weighted Dips as accessories really helped me
Also, squeeze your ass and keep your core tight. This helped my form immensely. Make sure your arms are tucked in tight enough that your wrists are perpendicular with the ground

>>41571767
>HOW DO I GET FUCKING BIGGER?
>YOU FUCKING EAT MORE

I probably will never unless I roid. I'm already a 5'5 manlet don't want to become a roided angry little fucker.

>>41575734
a-are you doing deadlifts 5x5?

>>41565446
5 weeks, this was the first year I've stepped foot in a Gym.
No, and I don't expect to for a long time.

0.5 / 0.75 / 0.75 / 2 (6ft, 195lbs)

>squat
6-7 months, can't remember
>press
10 months
>deadlift
1 year
>bench
Not completely sure, at least 18 months

>1.5 years lifting
>bench 1rm is 80 kg, deadlift 1rm is 163 kg
this fucking lift is way too hard, how did this even become the most popular among normies

>>41575810
oh shit no sorry, 2x5 at the moment

>>41571747
kek. Nah, man. I'm not that heavy. My working weight for sets of 5 is approximately my BW, though. You can justly mock me for that.

>>41575853
Well for the longest time I was struggling to increase my deadlift but the 2 things that broke my plateau were 1. increasing my squat and 2. changing up my form. I found that I pulled better when my legs were a little closer.
Try playing around with programming, have one week dedicated to maxing out squat and go light on deads, then swap the next week. You might just need a little more time to recover

>>41570487
I hate squats with a passion. I'm always paranoid I'm doing them wrong and I barely do any weight at all. I think at this point I'll have to suck it up, record it and post it for the /fit/izens to check

>>41566302
I'm the same, I can't squat for shit.

>>41576218
>hate squats
You'll learn to hate them a bit less as you get better. A form check could help you out big time!

>>41575920
thanks man. i'll try it

I got 1/3/4 in about 9 months but 2pl8 bench took me 18 months.