/plg/ strength lifting general

>try mixed grip for the first time ever
>the bar literally flies off the ground

fuark

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tfw gde

>>41543371
>deadlifting just the bar
I know you have to start somewhere but cmon

Deload during a cut yay or nay?

sure

>>41543483
funny

>>41543355
IS 3x5 a good set/rep range for OHP gains?

>>41543610
make the last rep AMRAP always

>>41543502
No, only reduce volume if completely necessary.

>>41543355
Do you stronk people do the OHP as a main lift?

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Can I do Sheiko Advanced Large load ONLY for the squat portion, and mix Advanced small load for deads and bench? I need more volume for squats and less for bench and deads

>>41543639
my OHP is lmao1pl8

feels bad

>>41543621
really? I've heard of doing it like this an know some people that have implemented it ("always train to failure!") but didnt think it made much of a drastic difference

>>41543648
>1pl8 OHP
>2.5pl8 bench
just

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>>41543355
WHY ARE THERE NO SQUAT ONLY FEDS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ITS NOT FAIR

>>41543639
i dont know where my strength falls compared to anybody else, but personally i will always do OHP because i think it's fun + cool

>Bench:105 3x5
>Squat:180 3x5
>Deadlift:210 1x5

Will 2/3/4 plate lifts be possible by the end of the year? Really enjoying powerlifting so far. I'm a male 5'10 at 223 pounds, currently cutting down.

>>41543726
hello chadlex

>>41543733
but anon you can already bench 2pl8 for reps. squat 4pl8 for reps and DL nearly 5pl8 for reps

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>>41543765
Sorry, America uses the shitty counting system that was in pounds.

>my lifts in kilos

>Bench:47
>Squat:81
>Deadlift:95

>>41543806
I know. I was bullying you lad

you can reach 2/3/4 by the end of the year if you try hard and stop cutting

>>41543840
How bad will it affect my lifts if I drop down ~30 pounds?

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>>41543806
LP until the wheels fall off lad

>>41543862
hard to say. hows shit progressing atm? being in a deficit stop you getting stronger, its just a bit slower. but if you want to stop being fat, youve just got to accept it

>>41543906
wont stop you*

>>41543371
is this true? i am not using mixed grip because of fear of strength imbalance

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>>41543906
>>41543918
I don't mind, If I cared about looks I would go a full bodybuilding routine, but honestly powerlifting is kind of fun desu. When I was 10 pounds lighter I was able to get to a 2 plate squat, a 1 plate overhead press, and a 3 plate deadlift I think. I just kind of stopped because I wasn't seeing any changes to my body at all (diet was complete shit, and was my fault no excuses)

So now I'm starting over, just trying to get as strong as possible. I want to drop the excess fat off of my body because: I want to physically look a little bit better, but also as stupid as it may sound I want the end goal of my lifting to be able to do a muscle up with ease. I always wanted to the strength to pull myself back up, if I was ever hanging off of a cliff.

Anyway, powerlifting is nice and easy. go into the gym, focus on the big compound lifts, add 5lbs every time go back in. Simple.

>>41543923
the progression of grips aids goes bare -> chalk -> straps

all double overhand. The strongest men in the world pull double overhand, there's no reason to go mixed grip

>>41543975
Adding 5lbs to the bar every time you go to the gym isnt powerlifting lol

Hey lads, need some advice on some programming: I'm running a 4-day TM split that looks like this:

Volume:

Friday: Bench 5x5
OHP 3x5
Pull Ups 3x8

Saturday: Squat 5x5
BB Rows 3x5
Weighted Dips 3x10
Hammer Curls 3x12
Ab rolls 3x10


Intensity:

Monday: Bench 1x5
OHP 3x5
Chin Ups 3x8

Tuesday: Squat 1x5
Deadlift 1x5
Weighted Dips 3x10
Preacher Curls 3x10
Ab rolls 3x10

I want to incorporate some more deadlifting, maybe through paused DL's at 90% 3x5 but I'm not quite sure if I should substitute rows for said exercise. All my lifts are advanced intermediate, but my dead is comparatively poor to my squat and bench.

>>41544016
You expect me to lift extremely heavy without having the strength to do so?

>>41543975
its not stupid at all. setting yourself goals like that is important

5lb/session isnt going to last long tho. especially on a cut. although, if you already got to 3pl8 DL etc before, it will be easier to get back than if you were starting from scratch

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Pictured: A Master of The Pless™

>>41543990
Benny's 1000lb deadlift begs to differ

>>41544404
I think he meant in training. obviously no one DOHs in comp

>>41544442
in stronkman compås you do, because you use straps

Why are powerlifters fat and ugly?

>>41544442
>there's no reason to do mixed grip

No I think he's just retarded

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>>41543728
My man.

>>41544510
Why do fat and ugly people like powerlifting?*

I am extremely fatigued and I do not know what to do.
>sleep isn't the best (but not terrible)
>cutting
>lifting and running 3x a week each
I just can't recover

Its gotten extremely bad. Yesterday I had to do my working bench sets with just 60kg. I honesty couldn't go anywhere near my usual working volume.
And today I fucking died running and lost several minutes off my time.

How do I enhance recovery? I've got important events I'm training for coming up and if I don't meet a minimum threshold I am boned.

>>41545181
sleep more or cut less

>>41545207
I get around 8 hours a night, but my body can definitely take 12 hours or more if given the chance. (Which I only ever get on the weekend)

There must be more I can do
I am over my weight goal so eating more isn't an option

>Start eating more
>Stop getting full
Come on..

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>>41545011
https://youtu.be/c8UO4jquAlY

>mfw this song comes on right as im setting up to do OHP

>>41543862
Can't speak for you but I've already lost at least 2-3 reps on my big lifts after dropping around 4kg. My cut has been a fucking shambles though fella, so don't listen to me probs

>>41545181
run less lol. stop eating fried chicken and drinking desu

>>41545181
try nofap

>>41545988
I'd explode
>>41545973
Preparing for a meet, so running is priority for me as of current.
h-how did you know I just had fried chicken

/plg/ BTFO
>>41545976

>>41541603

Denying the conclusion because the argument was flawed is, itself, a fallacy.

>>41543641

No. Federal law says you can't.

>>41546157
>BTFO
That implies the anons speak the truth, which they don't.

Why do I keep having night time panic attacks

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>>41546223
>Denying the conclusion because the argument was flawed is, itself, a fallacy.
what

>>41546016

Have you tried eating super clean? I have much better recovery and performance while cutting when I bring it down to just meat, rice/oats, veggies, nuts, and the occasional fruit.

>>41546157
how does that btfo us tom martin is literally right

a PB means shit if its not the best

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Can anyone better explain Spotoshot?
So when it says 5xRPE 9 then that implies that you could potentially do 5 sets of each with a different number of reps because my rps can change, right? And the first day that I do it, it should be done with a weight that I can do for more than 15 reps at RPE 9?

>>41546690
1. Yes.
2. 15 is ok too, it's not really that important though desu. Anything from 15-20 should be fine

>>41543355

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2bkf83-KU8

how is my form? I'm currently on a 2-week deload before I attempt another squat PR, 1.5 months ago I hit 1x161kg.

thoughts on belts? probably going for either iron tanks, metal, or inzer

>>41546795
you look like a llama, sorry couldn't focus on your squat will try again

>>41546223
Post some evidence that you are not a five foot tall Hobbit homosexual from Brazil or kindly fuck the fuck off

A timestamp picture or a video of a lift would do just fine

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>>41546748
thank you

If I were to run spotoshot what should I be doing for my squats and deadlifting? I currently do intermediate medium load Sheiko for squats, but I'm pretty sure I can't manage spotoshot and that together.

>>41546834
as long as youre bulking you can desu, but sheiko is shit anyway, just do spotoshot for squats too
paused squats monday
reverse band squats thursday

>>41546834
>>41546868
This might be the single-handedly dumbest fucking conversation I've ever seen on plg

>>41546796
Waste of money

>>41546796
As long as it is 4in + 10 - 13 mm and single prong, feel free to go with the cheapest piece of shit you can find because it doesn't matter

Unless you specifically want to fund the brands that have bribed the ipf

In which case just bend over and let them fuck your boy pussy

>>41546796
get a quick release. titan longhorn is the only one I know of in the US (I assume youre from)

>>41546881
thats just rude

>>41546933
>single prong

lmao retard. quick release or kys

>>41546979
Quick release is a pain in the ass if you ever need to change tightness for different lifts or if your body weight fluctuates you fat fuck

If you're a little limp wrists are too weak to pull a little tighter on a single prong then you shouldn't be worrying about belts at all you should be picking out a purse

>>41546818
thanks

>>41546834
I would do 5x5 squats twice a week with the ssb and LP that as long as possible and not deadlift because deadlifting in training is useless

Anybody else have the Klokov press in their routines? I just added it in today and i really feel it in my lats. I love it

>>41546993
youre thinking of lever. quick release is the best of both worlds. basically double prong but with a handle that makes it easy to take on/off

literally GOAT. but few companies make them. there certainly arent any ipf approved ones at a low price point like lever/prong

Squat 115kg - 253lbs
Deadlift - 145kg - 320lbs
Bench - 90kg - 198lbs
OHP - 65kg - 143lbs
I'm lifting for 2 months, had some experience before it but it was the usual shitty bro split without any focus on eating or anything really
are my stats good? Can i reach 1/2/3/4 for reps by the end of the year?
6'0 and around 185lbs

>>41547235
If you try hard and eat well.

>>41543355
Reminder that powerlifting is inferior to olympic lifting.

>>41547292
What about the stats, are the good/bad for the time training?

>>41547301
You're not actually a beginner so I don't know.

If you were a couch potato it would be almost extraordinary, but you're not so I can't say anything.

>>41547297
Tfw wanna get in the /olg/ but it never seems to be active

Plz link if I missed it

is this ok for TM (excluding upper body)

Mon:
Squat volume
RDL 3x8

Wed:
Squat recovery (probably paused squats @60% of monday or something)

Fri:
Squat Intensity
DL intensity
Front squat 2x3

increments of increase for ID are 2.5kg for both squat and DL, and presumably for front squats as well till it stalls (dunno what to do then btw)

>>41546690
>+5kg Every session
>Delors when you can do only <3 reps

Anyone care to explain this? Is this for novices? Who can possibly progress 5kg every single session, that works out at +25kg every single week?

And deloading when you can only do less than 3 reps, when would that ever happen if you are always doing 15+ reps at RPE 9?

Is this written by an idiot or am I missing something?

I have a hard time doing bench and OHP on the same day. Whichever lift I do later just seems impossible to do at any real volume after the fatigue from the previous pressing.

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>>41547297
>pl alive and prospering across all age, gender and equipment groups with many Feds and events to choose from, including pro money meets and meets that include the Press™
>ol dead in the us, no Feds, gyms, or coaches to be found

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>>41547498
>meets that include the Press™
WHERE

guys what do for poverty ohp?

:(

>>41547478
Do the press after dynamic effort, not max effort bench

>>41547168
Good luck getting it tight, fag

Quick releases are looser than Sean's b-hole

>>41547504
http://www.apa-wpa.com/APA/?page_id=95

>>41547516
quick release can be done just as if not tighter than a prong. stay mad beltlet

>>41547516
in fact. quick release is 100% tighter than prong. with prong. you need to pull it tighter than it is to get in in the hole, then it gets slack in it. quick release basically claws onto the hole from the outside so you get no slack

>>41547498
It's almost as though an objectively harder sport would have a smaller member base.

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>>41547511
ohp alot.

srs. working for me https://www.instagram.com/p/BTrMopfDctA/?taken-by=norsefat

>>41547622
>harder
>less poundage moved relative to bw
>no muscle needed, only coordination
>only 2 lifts
>Olympic status ensures it never has to evolve or progress

>>41543355
Reminder that front squats fix everything and make you a better person

>>41547740
... And fucks up your knees and low back

>>41544018
You could add paused deads Monday, sure, but start much lighter than 90% of your 5RM. I don't think a few sets of rows after would hurt anything, as long as you don't treat them as a "must add weight" exercise.

I give up. I want to die.

>>41547772
pls dont

should i take 2 days off before starting week 5 like c6w says or go today even though im not supposed to go till tomorrow

give me a good 2x upper program that incorporates bench and ohp that i can do with c6w lower program

>>41545181
Something's got to give. You can't peak for a meet, drop weight, and be in top marathon shape at the same time. Consider bringing calories up a little, drop one of your workouts for stretching and shopping for healthier food, and try to set aside more time for sleep.

You can lift twice a week and still maintain your lifts pretty well. You could also do AM running and PM lifting and get four days off a week to recover and take care of the rest of your life.

>>41547775
Whatever I guess

>>41544018
imo the beauty of a split is not having to do intensity squat on the same day as intensity DL. Id separate them

>>41547795
ONE SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE
TWO SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE
THREE SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE
FOUR SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE

>>41547797
I WANNA MAX THIS WEEKEND AT THIS COOL GYM IN LAKE FOREST BUT IDK HOW TO SCHEDULE FOR IT NIGGA IM WORKIN OUT ALL THE SCENARIOS FOR THE SCHEDULE AND ITS NOT COMING TO ME GOD DAMN IT

>>41545181
Wait a minute are you trying to get into the military or something? Forget everything I said, just run and do pushups/pullups/situps. Your gains will go down the toilet in basic no matter what but they'll come back when it's all done.

>>41547808
ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

>>41547511
A lot of heavy pressing and pushpressing, bodybuild the shoulders and triceps.

>>41547814
Right, I've heard stories of some guys maintaining their mass through vigorous bodyweight training. Does it hold any weight?

theres an entire military base near my house and yet not one hardcore PL gym i dont get it

am i just not looking in the right places?

>>41547754
Neither of those things are true. The weight is lighter so you should be able to control your knees if you're not a newshit, and if you injure your lumbar spine front squatting lifting weights was never for you and rock collecting may be slightly too physical a hobby.

>>41547791
Hepburn bench, OHP for reps after.

>>41547848
Mmmnoo, but you'll be pretty calories restricted in basic. You'll still look pretty in a tshirt but you won't be "big" by /fit/ standards. Chinups, dips, and pushups will keep your upper body looking fine and if you still want to lift I won't tell you to stop altogether, but if you have decent mass right now, you will lose a lot of it over three months of low calories, low sleep, and high physical activity that does not include lifting weights.

>>41547868
wait wtf chad wesley smith has a gym near me?

http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2016/08/21/juggernauthq-2/

>>41547868
PL is a niche sport. Modern gyms cater to the working man who just wants to lift rubber 5lbs dumbbells and use the treadmill.

>>41547906
>>41547903
is this what i think it is?

its 15 mins from my house

>>41547235
bump

>>41547911
im gonna go look at this place i might start going there

I hate traveling.
I hate lifting at normie gyms.

I just want to lift in my own comfy gym and cook my own meals reeee.

>>41547546
>>41547596
Feel free to continue justifying you overpriced Chinese shit belt with your sub 400 wilks.

What should a workout where i test my 1rm look like, template wise.

>>41548035
what do you think your max is gonna be

>>41543371
> mixed grip

Have fun with a bicep tear past 455lbs

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>>41548023
dont forget to clean

>>41543733
yeah easy for squat and deadlift thats like 10ish kgs progression for squat and deadlift and you should be able to get 20kg for the next 2-3 months.

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>>41548049

They have a maid to do that for me.

>>41548062
per month I mean

>>41548034
titan do a quick release thats ipf approved for around the same price as an inzer. made in america and great quality

wahlander make an ipf approved quick release. expensive if youre outside sweden, but pretty much the best quality you can get

in the uk MODIFIT do a quick release (ipf spec but not ipf approved tho) for LESS than the shitty strengthshop prong belts. hand made leather. very good quality

K Y S

>>41548078
Overpriced bullshit.

You mad that I've only had one single prong and my 1513 total shits all over you?

>>41548094
>overpriced
>as cheap, or cheaper, just not as widely available

QR is literally cheaper to make. if prong/lever fags like fucked off companies would get woke and everyone could join the QR masterrace

your total is meaningless. kevin oak has a QR and totals almost 1000lb more than you. are you BTFO by that? no?

>>41548128
Sooooo your total is <1000 lbs because you like to sperg over over gear instead of training hard... got it

>>41548197
lmao stop trying to attack me to distract from the fact you have no argument. name 1 (one) way in which SP is better than QR

my liking QR has literally no effect in my training. Im just trying to give anons who ask about belts the correct info

>>41548241
>name 1 (one) way in which SP is better than QR
Cheaper
Less parts to fail
Doesn't make the lifter look like a sperg homo

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>>41548266
as Ive said. its equal to or cheaper than prong/lever. how can you try and use the same argument again even tho it was already disproved

single prong has two parts. the square bit and the thing that goes through the hole. QR is one solid piece of metal (pic)

not an argument and not even true. youll look like a sperg trying to get your prong off while I limply pull and mine comes off

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>>41548266
fewer

>>41548322
Too bad being a nerd doesnt increase your total

Really makes your synapses sizzle

>>41548322
you have yet to disprove the fact that it makes you look like a sperg homo ?

>>41548322
huh

really makes me want to burn my single prong belt even though ive never had an issue or wanted a different one

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this was lonelypl's overpriced quick release belt that began falling apart after a month (pic related)

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>>41548408
any being a retard hasnt increased yours

this is the last (you) Im going to give you lad. nnite bby

>>41548455

I wouldn't call that falling apart, but the finish is definitely coming off.

>>41548455
please note how its already shredding through the leather and wont last

oh yeah and the belts dont get nearly as tight as a prong belt according to post lonelypl and norsefat who used prongs in the past and got memed by the piece of shit overpriced sperg homo shit that is a quick release belt

>>41548465
after 30 days, i could only imagine what it would look like now if lonelypl hadnt died

>>41548480
rip

>>41548453
my advice was for someone who wanted to buy their first belt. if you already have a good one, dont worry

>>41548455
>external scraping=falling apart

also this shows quality of the leather, not the buckle. same shit would happen if you had prong with cheap leather

this is my real final (you) now

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>>41548455
this is consistent bait, posted over and over and over.

My wahlander is just fine.

>>41548484
pretty sure the quick release sprung off and plunged into his throat thereby ending his life

meme release: not even once

>>41548467
Thank you for agreeing with me regarding powerlifting belts.

What does your keychain look like per say?

>>41543639
yes

>not that strong but 2pl8 ohp

>>41548489
>also this shows quality of the leather, not the buckle. same shit would happen if you had prong with cheap leather

whalander costs like 4 times the price as inzer, and you keep saying meme release is the same price of cheaper LOL

also no metal scraping on leather will fucking burn a hole in your belt no matter what
>>41548497
wasnt for you before maybe you just got fatter now it fits you alright

>>41546016
Desu, it's a give and take kind of thing. If you want to train better for something, you need to eat enough. Cut down on the lifting a bit if you need to be able to run. You could also maybe try out a different macro split?

>>41548503
did you start greg nucks novice program yet?

be sure to ask fat retard for more info if you have anymore questions LOL

>>41548522
1513 total.

Yours?

>>41548513
I have a wahlander and its fine. norsie said his is fine too

and there are quick releases much cheaper than wahlander. titan do one for instance

Ive decided not to go to be and will btfo prong fags instead

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>>41548530
vids of lifts? any sort of factual evidence? didnt think so Dino, stick to your novice nucky program and talk with the big boys after you can bench body weight LOL

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>>41548544
norsefat is just delusional, he thought he had to drill holes in his belt but what he didnt realize was that they just dont get as tight as a prong LOL

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>>41548545
>vids of lifts? any sort of factual evidence? didnt think so
Post your keychain, and I will

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>>41548569
aw wittle dino think he can change the topic about his wittle beginner lifts LOL

not today jew!
>Post your keychain, and I will

no dino you wont, just like the last time I did and you never did lol, oh yeah and then theres this proof about you running a novice program so yeah.. woops!

>>41548561
any evidence they dont get as tight? if anything QR should be able to go tighter as you pull it along and put it in the hole. prong you have to pull it tighter then put it through then it becomes slack as the hole moves to the end of the pin thing

describing that is hard to put into words t b h, but youre a smart lad. Im sure you get what Im saying

>>41548585
Coward seen btfo

>>41548585
>last time I did
Never happened

>>41548623

>never happened

Yes I know your e-stated total never happened lol you're running greg nuckols novice program after all

>>41548588
REEEEEEEEEE answer me. prong vs quick release is a far more important argument than your stupid dino memeing

aww look at that wittle dino ran off again, he always does this when I destroy him

naturally he will be back as soon as I leave lol

>>41548588
>>41548657
I agree. quick release is superior to prong in every way. prong fags should be gassed

>>41548718
fuck off quick release memeer

>>41548718
thanks lad. Im glad youve finally seen sense

Im assuming now everyone unanimously agrees quick release is best :)

>>41548703
I posted my key chain. I will not acknowledge you until you post more than a fart, you boi pucci queef poor bitch.

*punctuated applause intermittent*

>>41548949
See I posted factual evidence that you're a dyel running a beginners program, and you cant seem to post any evidence proving otherwise (videos of lifts etc) think I'll side with where the facts are right now wittle dino

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>tfw hitting new maxes are the only thing keeping me from killing myself

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>>41549029
yeah

>tfw did the same deadlift workout as last week except this time it was worse instead of better

:c

>>41547791

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>>41546583

An argument can be patent bullshit, but the conclusion still correct.

All powerlifters are fat
Norsefat is fat
Therefore, Norsefat is a powerlifter

The argument is invalid, but the conclusion IS true regardless. So dismissing a conclusion as wrong just because the argument that lead to the conclusion is fallacious is a fallacy itself.

>>41546828

Okay

>>41549719
why r trips almost always weak shits

>>41549719
Is this you? Do you think if you cut you would stop looking like shit? I would figure a 500 pound pull would require some real muscle mass.

>>41549752
maybe he doesnt give a shit twink alex

>>41549751
dude, cmon.
cooomee oooonnn
>>41549752
>lifting for aesthetics
what are you doing here?

>>41547415
paused squats on recovery day sounds dumb. its a day to recover and paused squats are good at generating fatigue. i would just do lighter squats or front squats.

>>41548062
thanks senpai

>>41549752

>Do you think if you cut you would stop looking like shit?

I'd still be whiter than fuck at Christmas, with the face of a 45 year old hockey player, AND the King of Manlets, so probably not.

>>41549719

Really blows my mind that someone can be this strong and look so shit. I understand not lifting for aesthetics, but god damn, he's literally like my fat cousin who works in IT and eats cheetos. That being said, good lift.

>>41549719

I have to know: do you do ANY hypertrophy/bodybuilding training?

>>41543355
Test

>>41550224

I started doing dips in what seems to have been a futile attempt to unstick my abysmal bench press. Though I figured to do them on Volume Day for 5x5 with increasing weight, so I don't know if that counts as hypertrophy training.

Otherwise, no, pretty much just some form of Madcow (don't strongly recommend it), SS (strongly recommend for literally every male novice between the ages of 15 and 30), and Texas Method (recommend for post-novices that want to get strong), often times in between golf and rugby seasons, for nearly 7 years.

There were some curls added at one point. The excuse for them being that I needed stronger elbow flexion to help bind into scrums at hooker.

>>41548035
Personally when i go for a PR i just pyramid my warmup sets until i get to my previous PR, and then i add 10 lbs to the bar for each attempt. First time i fail i back off to 5 lbs and try again

>>41549719
Anterior pelic tilt

>>41543355
Guys i need some help im veey weak.
Can only bench 45 kg x 5 ):
Wat do pls no bully

>>41550271

Respect. Keep up the good work.

>>41550271
But ss lacks upper body

>>41550331

You do upper body every workout.

>>41550374
I don't think you have much credibility about hypertrophy work at this point kek

>>41544510
Why do you post this every thread? The world will never know, anon

>>41546795
Fine except for hyperextending your back. Brace better.
>>41547422
>for novices
Not really.
>when would that ever happen if you are always doing 15+ reps at RPE9
Well you're adding weight all the time, which means the reps you can do gets lower every session.
It's basically linear periodization.

should you brace on deadlifts like on the squats

>>41550295
do SS

>>41543355
My issue with rips comp is the upper body lift is now an even smaller % of your total

>>41551131

Why not just allow bench presses to be bounced off one's ribcage? The oh-so-important Upper Body Lift would be an even bigger percentage of one's total then.

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>Smolov jr 10x3@175kg
>feel like shit after yesterday's 8x4
It was nice knowing you lads.

>>41551143
Don't be obtuse

Its already 2 to 1 lower to upper lifts and now the upper portion is even less important. Goes against rips thing of promoting general strength

>>41551131
>>41551180
Well yes, but it's still equal for everyone else. It's gonna be a hard fight to get the best press even if the best press will be lighter than the best bench press in a PL comp

>>41551180
>more weight pressed means more general strength
the Press is a better indicator and overal builder of general strength

plus the amount pressed shouldnt be that much lower. You just think it will because most people who bench alot tend to have a fucked bench:ohp

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>>41543355
Sometimes i Press™ with average form

>>41551241
>belt
>bounce reps
>doesnt touch the chest on every rep
horrible

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Just realized that ever since the first PLG threads, people have been whining about sumo, mixed grip, bench press arches, low bar, belts, and whatever the fuck else.

You guys just don't quit, do you? Like instagram layyydies posting their asses all over, you guys post your asinine opinions in every thread. No wonder Buda broke that one time.

>>41551241
Your grip looks a bit narrow for your frame. Notice how your forearms bend in from the elbow and how your elbows flare out. You want your forearm to be perpendicular to the bar.

>>41551297
you clearly have no clue

>>41551235
I like the press being in his comp. It adds some variety but I can't see people pressing almost as much as they can bench as realistic. The way it is the only upper body lift is relegated to being a sideshow when it comes to building a total.

Maybe weight it like when calculating the winning total times the ohp by 2 or somet multiplier. Although that'll come with issues too

>>41551294
Tbh sometimes I need a break from this place. That being said, getting mad over plg is stupid. Never understood why some Trips get offended when people shit this place up instead of giving them praise.

>>41551344
Can you explain to me how it is a problem? In terms of number of exercises it is 1 3rd or the comp, just like bench.

>>41551308
I hope you're not serious. From a mechanics standpoint, a grip that is too narrow or too wide leads to a less efficient transfer of force. Narrow grip + elbows flaring also puts the shoulder in a more delicate position that puts undue strain on the rotator cuff, similar to how benching with your elbows flared causes the same thing. With proper grip width your elbows remain underneath your forearms during the lift, which keeps your shoulder in a stronger position.

>>41551376
except that grip is perfectly shoulder width and you clearly know nothing about shoulder rotation

its impossible to keep the forearm in one line the whole time when pressing overhead. The ohp does not have the same mechanics as the bench

>>41551371
Pretty much everyone benches more than they ohp so ohp will be a relatively smaller part of your total so plays a smaller part in winning a meet. Ithe more heavily favors those with applitude for the lower body dominant lifts.

Let's say your ohp is 50% better than mine but my deadlift is 50% better than bet I'll easily btfo you in total.

>>41551261
What's wrong with using a belt?

>>41551404
It is possible, but it would be like doing one of those "skullcrushers"

>>41551420
Aha, I see. So upper-body dominant people
>gain less in the press from being upper-body dominant
>and also have fewer exercises to catch up those kgs

>>41551448
the fact that you need to use a belt to ohp 155 makes me think you are dependent on it

do you use a belt to squat 155

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>>41551404
The grip is obviously narrow. I've made an image that may help illustrate this.

And of course you can't understand an analogy to the bench press and you take it literally. The point is elbow flaring in both movements creates the same issues in the shoulder which put increased stress on the rotator cuff which can lead to impingement and injury. At no point did I say the forearm should be in line during the entire movement.

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>>41551477
Perhaps this will clarify. Look at the second and third images in the sequence. Notice how the elbows are in front of the shoulder. When your grip is narrow and your elbows flare out, your elbows become more in line with your shoulders, which reduces the amount of weight supported by the front delts and places that weight instead on the rotator cuff.

>>41551469
I don't need to use a belt but I like to.
Nope. I usually put on a belt for squats >140kg unless I'm doing a beltless cycle

>>41551477
>>41551479
>t. dont know how to ohp
that image illustrates it wrong

he clearly has the weight of the bar centered on the heel of his palm, which btfo's everything you wrote about flaring since youre supposed to flare about halfway up

also kinda funny that you posted a pic of SS since Rippetoe teaches it that way(flaring and all lmao)

>>41551297
ehh i've played around with a wider grip and doesn't feel as comfortable or strong.
Guess I'll just see how long my shoulders last

>>41551466
Yeah

Even though my phone butchered my sentence

I'm lower body dominant so I don't know why I really care desu

>>41551503
Sad, but I still like the press more than bench, mostly to root out all the weird things with arching, feet placement and all that.

But I don't even compete..

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>>41543355
How do I get stronger?
Bench 65
Squat 75 x3
Deadlift 95 x5
Can't even OHP the bar
>pic related, it's me

>>41551357
Can't say I've seen anyone get offended. Tired of whining and shitposting, rather. Which I understand, because the shitposters choose the one general on this entire website as their toilet.

>>41551469
your back isn't bent in a squat like it is in an OHP

>>41551371

There seems to be just one autist with a bug up his ass about the Holiness of "upper body."

The fact that bench press is a meme lift for wankers (#MemeLift4Wankers) and the standing press is a better display of upper body strength is irrelevant to him.

total is squat + bench + 2xOHP

wow that was hard

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>>41551697
>bench + 2xOHP

>>41551812
i meandt deadlift

i did say it was hard

>>41551697
even better squat + deadlift + bench + ohp

>>41551689
OHP is fucking boring though because there's literally no way to have an impressive strict press unless you're a fucking monster, I'd rather watch Blessings bench 220+ than press some insignificant number

>>41551837
But maybe the fact that it is a harder exercise means you get a new respect for the weight?

Wow I just fixed powelelifting

Squat + Press + deadlift + strict curl

>>41551851
Obviously I'm just saying that for powerlifting bench fits because you can lift bigger numbers and powerlifting is all about bigger numbers. I'd like to see Eddie Hall do some even bigger presses because it looks like he has a lot more in him but in the end Kirill benching 350KG is just more exciting. Rips thing is still cool though. It's just like has been said, it makes the pressing part of the competition slightly irrelevant beacuse there's less weight involved. I think they should include hack and jefferson deadlifts as well to be more old timey and fun. Lifting weights is supposed to be fun, right?

>>41551524
if you arent trolling just get away from the barbell and do a few months of pushups, chinups and bodyweight squats, do that shit errday then return to the gym and start OHPing the bar for sets of 20 liike any young non-disabled male should be able to

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>>41547733
>no muscle needed, only coordination
If my squat goes up, my clean goes up.

brb now training curl as the comp lift it deserves to be

>>41552181
Imagine how many bicep-tears there would be if curling was a legitimate competitive lift.

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>>41551858
But you forgot strict row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrCaovEprA

I like the press, but I have never been able to go beyond 2 plate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5eaRwBoycU

>>41552220
Easier if you start from the rack

>>41552206
>strict row
too hard 2 judge

might aswell make it a cheat row

>>41552206
Why does he have nipples instead of eyebrows ?

Currently doing MadCow, and I have a couple of questions:
Would it be a bad idea to add a DL variation to day C?
And how about adding some bicep assistance, like hammer curls and maybe lat pulldowns to days A and B?

>>41552206
>not cambered-bar legs down seal row with 2 second pause

>>41552266
no
go ahead

yo guys red pill me on jefferson dls

>>41552321
inferior to zercher deadlift

>>41552305
cheers

>>41551235
>plus the amount pressed shouldnt be that much lower.

Lol, get the fuck out of here

>>41551858
>Squat + Press + deadlift + strict curl
Some feds do this.

>>41552220
the worst ohp form I have seen in a while

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>>41552321

>>41552321
>jefferson dls
Stupid DL variation for guys who can't pull respectable numbers conventional.

Gayer than sumo even.

Also more dangerous than regular deadlifts.

>>41553003
>Also more dangerous than regular deadlifts.
Not if you have a nice sweet vagina to slide the bar into.

>>41553003
Which variations are patrish?

>>41553024
Being gay and dangerous is the most patrish.

>>41553024
Just pull.

Deficit or chains/bands are the only useful variations.

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>>41553062
ok louie but how about paused dl

>>41553093
Pause deadlifts are perfectly viable if you have no idea how to properly hinge your deadlift. It's more of a teaching tool than a valid variation to improve your deadlift.

>greg nuckols says ohp doesnt carryover to the bench in his experience
>he brought up his ohp from absolute shit to decent and his bench didnt go up
>look up his ohp
>does bouncy reps with 3/4th ROM, skips the bottom part where most of the chest is used
why is greg Cuckols such a hack

>>41553169
he's trying his best you asshole

>>41553169
>greg nuckols
If only our princess was still here to continue collaborating with Greg

THEY WERE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF LIFTING RESEARCH, YOU ASSHOLES

> Greg Nuckols confirmed for fake tranny lover

>>41553345
yeah sure they were thats why Cuckols promotes bloodflow restriction training lmao cant believe people listen to this hack

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Tfw all of a sudden miss her

>>41553597
you need a miss her defense system

>>41549719
you had another rep in there c'mon

>>41553681
Or perhaps I need to be more accurate?

>when you can't word an email properly and you've been trying for an hour
REEEEEE

is a 13mm belt worth buying? I already have a 10mm but i would assume thicker would translate to a bigger squat.

>>41554010
you don't need a 13mm belt, but it would look great next to your 12mm penis.

>>41554010
no belt is worth buying

its like wearing a suit, you may lift more with it but its just going to steal your gains

>>41554243
>no belt is worth buying
This is wrong. Almost all federations allow a belt. So it would be stupid to not use one for competitive purposes. It also allows you to lift more weight for more reps comma which increases training effect

It is good to spend time training without a belt as well especially in offseason. But belts shouldn't be something that you break the bank over. 10 - 13 mm 4 inch single prong can last you the rest of your life

>>41554243
You're a fucking idiot. The point of powerlifting is to lift as much weight as possible, not say oh I don't feel like lifting that much weight because I'm too poor or stupid to use equipment.

>>41554259
>comma
Fucking speech to text makes me sound more retarded than I already am

>>41554267
look we got one of those equipped ''lifters'' here lmaoo

>>41554243
>Steal your gains
By keeping your core from being the limiting factor (while having minor differences in activation), allowing you to do more work on basically every single lift kills your gains how?

>>41554306
It steals your core gains while increasing everything else

And thus your core falls back behind.

>inb4 no that isnt true
wear your belt on every lift even warmup for a month and then do no belt for a month you'll see

>>41554306
Dr stuart McGill says your spine is in flexion when using a belt and can cause more harm than good.
The fact that it hurts to have a barbell on my back without but not with a belt makes me not believe this very much.

>>41554306
a belt is basically a slingshot for your core, if your core is your weakest link and you always only do belted deadlifts you're not gonna make any gains
its the equivalent of only doing slingshot bench to bring up your bench

t. a genius

>>41554322
This is a stupid argument because nobody in their right mind would use a belt for ever rep of every set from start to finish. Most people are lazy, and most people slap it on when the bar begins to feel heavy. (Usually near their working volume)
These are the true conditions a belt would be used in.

And its literally fact that using a belt allows you to lift more, thus allows you to get in more volume, which means your core is actually stronger in the long run than if you hadn't used a belt.

This is irrefutable fact btw. Not my opinion. Researched, documented fact.

>>41554336
not a perfect analogy but still true in a way the slingshot steals your chest gains while providing no assistance on the lockout

>>41554322
It doesn't steal your core gains though. Abs get more activated and obliques get slightly less activated. And that's only in people new to using belts. People experienced in using belts don't have the slightly less oblique activation. https://www.strongerbyscience.com/the-belt-bible/

>>41554336
t. Someone that doesn't understand that belts, unlike slingshots, do not store elastic energy.

>>41554383
They're retarded and stubborn. Please let them continue being retarded. Its the only way they can learn.

>>41554383
the effect is the same though, overloading the the part of the lift that is not supported by the belt/slingshot and thus neglecting the other
now off yourself you retard

>>41554383
>links greg cuckolds
Never link that Hack again

if the abs get more activated then why cant you reproduce the same weight with no belt, sure must mean you get stronger right lmao

>>41554398
The effect isn't the same. If your belted squat or deadlift goes up, so does your unbelted. However the inverse isn't true.

A woman out benched me today. She benched 65kilo's. I could only bench 62.5

>>41554411
Isn't always*

>>41554411
the inverse is true in people with lack of core strength as their weak point, and looking at your wobbly tits form you could use some aswell

>>41543355
I've been doing 28 programs 2x a week beginner bench press for strict press and its bretty cool, dudes

>>41554419
That's okay. It all takes time. She's taken her time and now you need to take yours.
You can get anywhere given enough time.

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>>41554274
Powerlifting is an equipped sport. Raw lifters have been conditioned to spend hundreds of dollars on meme sleeves, shoes, and belts that do nothing to increase their lifts or help prevent injury. Meanwhile mark bell and the owner of sbd are laughing all the way to the bank.

Squat 125kg
Binch 95kg
Deadlift 155kg
The Press™ 55 kg
Are these stats good if I've been lifting for 8 months considering that I started as a complete skelly spooker with absolutely no sports experience?

I didn't do low rep high volume last week and my mock meet is on sunday. Would it be OK for me to do my openers today and just do 3x3 deload weight on friday -> mock meet sunday?

>>41554566
If low bodyweight then decent, if not then shit

>>41554567
Thursday should be your last activity. 5 sets of dynamic upper and then shut it down.

>>41554595
low bodyweight, obv
I'm still a recovering skelly at 180lbs 6'2"

>>41554595
He said skeleton. He's probably a 165 at best.

>>41554606
5 sets of dynamic upper? Also last day I worked out was last saturday. Didn't get a chance to work out on tuesday and I feel like I should go today and not tomorrow. Why thursday? Shouldn't I do very low volume work on each lift 2 days prior to the mock meet? Wednesday - friday - sunday (mock meet)

>>41554623
Your deadlift should probably be higher but the rest is fine.

>>41554650
Yeah I know, I pulled like an absolute retard for about 6 months, so it's obviously lagging

>>41554646
The week of a meet is not the time to test shit. Do just enough to get the blood moving and rest at least two days before the meet.

>>41554673
reeee why didn't I do low rep high volume last week

at least I did 5RM for squats

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I wanna get to 100kg overhead press, currently at 77.5 kg as of last week. How much longer ya reckon?

>>41554714
2.5

>>41554409
had to put my guitar down to answer this retardation

imagine pushing against a wall with your hands while standing upright. you're going to only be able to push so hard before you fall backwards. now imagine putting your leg up against something sturdy behind you and pushing against the wall. you'll be able to push much harder. that's what a belt does - it gives your abs something to push against so you can contract them maximally.

now kindly don't post here again until you understand the basics of powerlifting

>>41554709
Cute dog

>>41554742
>now imagine imagine imagine
wooooooow great argument ther bud

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Lads ive been flirting with the idea of hiring a coach after my meet in august. Any relatively cheap and good coaches? I was thinking TSA but idk how expensive they are

Give me a patrician bench program

t. poverty bench

>>41554882
Project memementum 2k17

>>41554882
I bet you're a fucking bench chad compared to me

>>41554939
im not

How important are high reps for bench progression?

Some old bodybuilder dude told me about his natty mate that benches 405 and had great success with a program that alternates between low rep (3-4) with high weight and high reps (12-15) with lower weight each day.

Told me I should do that as well otherwise I will stall.

>>41554958
105kg one rep max after 4 years of lifting and that's touch and go

>>41554982
Not at all, it's number of sets.

Recommend me a good beer

>>41555040
Doesnt exist

Real men drink whisky, straight from the bottle

>>41555048
Real men stand in sun and enjoy a cold beer with their friends.

>>41555004
im sorry anon

>>41555069
Real men don't have friends or a keychain for that matter

Real men lift in the comfort of their mother's basement and they don't trouble themselves with actually competing in powerlifting because it's for stupid doo doo heads

>>41555005
That sounds over-simplified.
If you only respect the volume then yes, it doesnt matter.

But i am sure higher reps offer more hypertrophy and surely there are some other differences too.

>>41554440
Thanks!

>>41555005
Completly disagree, a 5x3 is inferior in terms of hypertophy to a 5x8

>>41555089
Bought some craft beer and now I'm just laying back and will probably have a wank like a man

>>41554714
6 months to 5 years

>>41554876
Country and price range? Also I think both TSA and RTS have different "tiers" of coaching depending on how much you want to spend.

Hit a 2 plate skwat today! Feels alright

Hit 2pl8 OHP today feels alright

Hit a 2pl8 curl today felt alright

>>41555341
I'm from the US and around 100 bucks a month would be good. I'll look into the tiers for tsa, I've seen rts and the 100 dollar package isn't something I have interest in for them. I want something a little more customized

>>41555354
I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of yourself for getting stronger, but you should also be embarrassed of a 2 plate Squat and not go bragging about it for attention on some Japanese faggot internet board

If you want to get really strong you have to love getting stronger and you have to hate being week

>>41555378
Patrik Andersson from Sweden(Bodorios coach) charges around 25$ per week iirc. Dunno if he takes on any more clients though, his website haven't been updated for years.

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Serious question.

Is blueshoes roiding now? Starting go look like something is up now.

>>41555858
>>41555858
>>41555858
did a new