Vegan General

>>41542659
Hardware store

>>41542701
The pennys that you're gonna be left with after spending all your money on vegan workarounds for food

>>41542714
Eating vegan is actually way cheaper than meat eaters believe.

>>41542659
>Vegan General
>kys
/thread

>>41542722
Sure it is.

>>41542701
Literally all beans, kale, nuts... Just google vegan sources of copper or use cronometer/mfp
>>41542714
>Not buying meat is expensive
>Beans and pasta is expensive
5/10 made me reply

>>41542659
yummy yummmy, just had another tablespoon of organic vegan lentils cultivated by fair wage Syrian refugees. Been chewing for 30 minutes now!

>>41542723
Is there a single my 600lbs life participant who is vegan?

>>41542659
>No B12
>Die

kek

>>41542722
Not if you want to enjoy your food. Which, hey, this is /fit/, most of us don't want to enjoy our food. But if you want to eat anything other than rice and beans three meals a day, no, veganism will cost you. Animal substitutes are more expensive than the real thing. MUCH more expensive to get ones that taste even a little bit similar.

>>41542756
>having to buy an entire food source for micronutrients
>not even a good one

Vegans are literally making life hard for the sake of saying "look at me!"

Good luck with this mineral deficiencies.

>>41542777
>Good luck with this mineral deficiencies.
Meat eaters fuck off.

Here another healthy example of your healthy lifestyle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGIMd3_LfY&t

>>41542786
Cheesy potatoes are vegetarian you dum dum.

>let me react to a common problem among my peers with a cherry picked outlier!

You sure got me

nice to see the picture you used tells you how much calcium you need but not how much those vegetables give you baka

How does OP not mention anything about tempeh? Twice the amount of protein not to mention it's USDA and Non-GMO certified. Unlike tofu, these soybeans are not roundup ready.

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>>41542798
Oh I guess vegans are two blame that 2 out of 3 are overweight or obese in the US, right? Because eating meat and drinking milk is soooo healthy.

>>41542775
>Vegans only eat rice and beans
Learn to cook faggot
>>41542777
>>having to buy an entire food source for micronutrients
>>not even a good one
I have no idea what food or micro you are referring to. Marmite/nutritional yeast for B12?
Also
>Not wanting to take part in the NEEDLESS torture and murder of sentient beings is virtue signalling
Your life must be so sad

>>41542815
>people are obese because of meat and milk

God damn were you a vegan since infancy because you're retarded as hell.

>>41542818
>literally arguing "muh moral high ground" as a diet

I'll gladly eat animals if it pisses you and other beta numales off even more

>>41542823
Oh, I guess if you compare the obesity rates of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters you won't get results in favor of vegans, right?

>>41542833
Once again,
>implying people are obese because of meat and milk

>>41542818
>muh utilitarianism

You don't NEED a computer, so throw yours out yesterday.

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>>41542832

>>41542846
Actually I need it for my thesis, go fuck a cactus :)

>>41542815
Well then almond milk is for baby almonds you stupid fuck. And before you tell me that almonds don't have babies, they don't have milk either.

>>41542843
Well how is it easier to get obese?

>eating high fat, high calorie meat and diary products
>eating vegetables and fruits

>>41542846
wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

>>41542857
>I NEED it

No you don't, you want it. Throw it out or you're unnecessarily harming the little Asians that built it

>>41542857
>I need it for my thesis

You don't need a thesis, either. A thesis would make you feel accomplished, but you don't need that feeling to live. Go live in the woods with your deer friends and eat what you can find.

>>41542872
>>41542869

>>41542867
Once again, meat and milk are unrelated. The fact that you don't know this is a sin of the brain damage caused by lack of essential nutrients.

>>41542879
A fallacy doesn't make an argument wrong, you know.

You argued that you do things based on reducing harm. Well your computer causes harm.

>>41542887
I already bought it, might as well use it
But please, do educate me on which ways you help create a fair society, reducing your environmental impact and literal torture and death of other sentient beings
Oh wait, you don't
Feels good to wave my dick around on top of the MORAL HIGHGROUND MOUNTAIN (TM) (C) (R)

>>41542869
>I'm going to continue framing my arguments in terms of needs vs. wants despite neither knowing or caring what the difference between those things is

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>>41542832
You are literally killing yourself this way, but whatever, it's a free country.

>>41542887
>A fallacy doesn't make an argument wrong, you know.
Cut down on the animal fats anon, you're having a stroke

>>41542929
>>I'm going to continue framing my arguments in the context of "veganism means do zero harm to anyone ever" despite neither knowing or caring what the definition of veganism is

>>41542936
>what is Pasteurization

We solved this problem literally over 100 years ago.

>>41542963
So you admit that you don't know the difference between a want and a need, then? Are you ready to release 'need' from your propaganda vocabulary?

>>41542701
nuts and fortified cereal for me. planters has these new nut mixes called "nut trition" and depending on the blend there's about 20% of your daily copper in a 1/4 cup.

>>41542983
Because you and your kind pretend that it's the ONLY way and actively seek out debate if only to put down people who aren't you with the "you're killing animals" argument

>>41542938
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

>>41542775
animal substitutions aren't expensive lol. my fake meat is 2.99 for five servings, good enough for me. the only thing is is slightly more expensive is nut milks.

>>41542936
>all white blood cells are 'Pus cells' lol yeah ok man

>>41543003
See >>41542847
>>41543006
>actively seek out debate
>Thread OP literally says "meat eaters allowed as long as they don't push their diet"
See >>41542847
>>41543015
I still don't see how me being a vegan with a PC is hypocrisy

>>41542983
Too many of you proselytize. It's given the rest of you an ill reputation.

>>41543021
>my fake meat is 2.99 for five servings, good enough for me

Your fake meat tastes like shit.

>>41542775

Do you actually think real whole food consist only of beans and rice?

>>41543079
>sometimes I have lentils and quinoa instead, it's SO MUCH DIFFERENT

ive been eating vegan for a year now but had meat and dairy for the first time a few days ago. taco bell fucked up the order big time and i just ate it so i wouldn't waste money and come off as prissy. not doing that again because it fucking sucked, tasted like nothing and i got the shits afterward.

>>41543006
You have to be fucking blind and simply retarded if you still deny that eating meat or how we are eating meat is harming our planet.

Don't feel bitter because you lack discipline.

>>41543072
>proselytize
>Implying veganism is a religion, based on baseless beliefs
>Implying implicit implications

>>41543072
>tastes like shit
honestly i prefer it and even when i was switching over i couldn't tell a difference between ground vegetable round and ground beef

>>41542762
Is there a single tolerable person that identifies as a vegan?

>>41543098
>I have been educated on what veganism is and what vegans eat from the reputable sources of Buzzfeed, Ron Swanson and Joe Rogan

>>41543115
You wouldn't know because most vegans don't identify as vegans irl because they do the want to argue about canines and bacon with retards like you

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>>41543102
>implying veganism is a religion, based on baseless beliefs
>implying I'm implying it and not straight-up fucking saying it

>>41543109
That's pretty interesting, but you need to understand that most people don't have your genetic disorder and can't be convinced that wheat paste is delicious.

>>41543136
this. no one knows i'm vegan, they just think i'm a semi vegetarian bc that's what i tell them. i'm allergic to eggs and red meat anyways

>>41543100
That's because you ate dog food, m8

>>41543152
when i was a kid i would get nausea from the smell of my parents cooking bacon/beef, not bc the annie malls, just because of the smell alone. some people are just meant to eat this way

>>41543152
>straight-up fucking saying it
You must be 16

>>41543115
I'm dating one. She's a sweetheart who doesn't expect me to convert, doesn't act like a wet blanket when the only food she can eat at a restaurant is a potato stuffed with lettuce and she's also a really good cook.

The problem with veganism's vocal minority is that they're REALLY fucking vocal.

>>41543136
If "most" of you are ashamed to admit that you're vegan, that should tell you something about your diet.

Also, 100% of vegans never shut the fuck up about being vegan because you all want everyone else to be as miserable as you.

>>41543192
it's but not being ashamed. it's just i don't have the time to answer people's retarded questions they're bound to ask me.

>>41543192
>ashamed ≠ I don't want to argue insufferable mouthbreathers
Ok

>>41543192

you should ask yourself why there are people going vegan and think a little bit harder.

>>41543231
>>41543248
Don't be silly. You can't resist the temptation to blather on about your alternative lifestyle on this Chilean tintype collectors' forum and you can't do it in real life, either.

>>41543261
Reasons people become vegan
65% crave attention
30% false sense of moral high ground
5% unfortunate combination of allergies

100% will never make it

>Be Non-Vegan
>See Vegan Thread
>"Woah boy, I can't wait to get in there and start whining about how bad vegan diets are despite having zero educational background or evidence for it. Then I'm gonna whinge about how vegans are sooooooo intolerable and obnoxious vegans are despite coming into a vegan thread for no reason other than shitposting. Then I'm gonna get triggered about how vegans are always talking about how "Vegan-y" they are despite coming into a thread specifically about veganism even though I know I loathe them for no reason. Fucking Vegans Man"

>>41543391
pretty much this. what is the point of the arguing and bickering. veganism is what i originally used to get healthier and now that i've been eating this way i'm kind of repulsed by eating meat from chickens who sit cages shitting on each other all fucking day.

>>41542659
i'm vegetarian and i must say i find it quite hard to get some meals that give me my proteins for the day while cutting
there are awesome recipes but often they are too complicated for a quick meal or are just above my caloric intake
what do

>>41543424
protein shake, seitan/fake meats. the fake chicken isn't the best but ground mock meat is good and cheap. it's usually 100-120 cals for every 20g of protein.

>>41542659
I should probably go vegan just to help me lose weight. I just find it really annoying when they talk about animals. One time, I pecked by a chicken. Fuck chickens.

>>41543391
>I made rules for correct participation in this thread!! WHY ARE THE RULES NOT BEING FOLLOWED??!!

>>41543419
>i'm kind of repulsed by eating meat from chickens who sit cages shitting on each other all fucking day

I'm gonna quote an anon from an older vegan provocation thread.

>I eat ass on the first date, you ain't scare me

Is semen vegan friendly?

>>41543467
i went vegan because animals repulse me. they're constantly covered in their own feces and eat each other all day. Their bodies do nothing but sit around habouring viruses. the only one that isn't disgusting is the cow.

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>>41543474
>being proud of eating ass on the first date

>>41543419
Literally just the title of this thread is complete bait to a fair chunk of not just /fit/ but the whole internet.

People bash vegans for being preachy but as soon as people start discussing it with their own threads/sites/videos, people swarm in with "MUH B12" or "BACON LOL"

>>41543448
the fake meats i get here have a lot of sugar in them that's the problem
yeah i prob should invest in a good shake but i'm kinda broke right now
i'm trying to get my proteins with eggs and dairy but that kinda sucks cause i don't really like both

>>41543474
You're free to post whatever you want in the thread, I just don't see why you are.

You're not interested in veganism, you're not attempting to "help" anyone get off a vegan diet on to different diet, most criticisms on this thread are lazy at best. You're sole intention is to shitpost here to get a rise out of people. Your time is probably better suited to /r9k/ or /pol/

>>41543509
oh well if you can't buy good fake meats and you're broke buy some TVP online, it's the same thing but dried and you season it yourself.

>>41543555
https://snapguide.com/guides/make-fake-ground-beef-out-of-tvp/
buy a brick of tofu and crumble it and add it to this as well. tofu is cheap as shit it's usually under 2 dollars where i live.

>>41543488
No, semen is not vegan.

>can you believe the stupid meatheads eat ANIMAL SECRETIONS? that's so icky-poo-poo groce
>hey, /fit/, I got this girl but she won't go down on me, what's up with that?

>>41543555
>>41543570
looks good, thanks

>>41543535
>Meat eaters and vegetarians allowed as long as they won't push their diets
>You're free to post whatever you want here

Which is it? Because it seems like the bulk of this thread is, "if you disagree with me you're a stupid evil person that should forever rot in a burning vat of lentils."

>>41543574
>swallowing your boyfriends cum is the same as eating a retarded diseased animal that rolls around in its own shit

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>>41543535
>You're sole intention is to shitpost here to get a rise out of people

Sort of like the reason OP started this thread, huh? Next time, instead of pretending you're special people deserving of unique consideration, try hopping into a food thread and posting your plant-powered meals without being queens about it. I promise you, nobody will even realize you've tricked them into having mercy for baby chicks.

>>41543598
Since /r9k/ took over? Yeah. Yeah, it is the same.

>>41542659
alright senpai, I eat fish and seafodd 24/7, ocasionally the chicken breasts and red meat when its hunting meat which sadly is almost never. I live in a fishing region so pretty nice sea fresh fish

so what are some god-tier cutting vegan meals to have that feel like a meal instead of a snack or just a side dish?
I've eaten over 10 species of fish this past 2 weeks and I dont want mercury poisoning

>>41543589

Have you been in this thread??? Almost every "arguement" starts of with some non-vegan making "Generic vegan criticism that has been proven false #231"

But nah you're right, you really are the victim here

Plus nobody here is talking about diet, they're just calling vegans assholes for no reason

whats the point of veganism anyways, in a regular diet it's already hard to get all the micronutrients and vitamins so you gimp yourself with this

not even baiting, less eat meaters = less production = better quality

>>41543689
>Generic vegan criticism that has been proven false #231

You can't prove anything. It's spirituality. You're asking us to take it on faith, and you've confused strong belief for fact.

>>41543606
Lmao, people like you in this thread are the exact reason vegans should have their own thread. Christ, imagine the backlash if vegans dared to even mention veganism on a food general

Also "calling vegans queens", whilst you're having a primadonna hissyfit because a board with "BRAAAAAP" threads and "FPH" threads are having one about arguably the healthiest diets on the planet on a "HEALTH & FITNESS" board.

ehhh 100% veganism is dumb

i think 70% plant/grain based + seafood + eggs and no dairy, no red meat is probably the healthiest diet

anywho is soy cancerous?

>>41543740
There are tonnes of research on why a vegan diet is best for you and if you want to ignore it all and dub all vegans "spiritual idiots", I suppose there's no convincing you anyway

>>41543742
>Christ, imagine the backlash if vegans dared to even mention veganism on a food general

You would deserve it. Shut up about your religion. Just talk about the food.

>>41543797
>you will die of heart disease if you so much as lick a cube of steak
>you will be immortal and cure cancer by staring at people's tumors even if your vegan diet consists entirely of deep-fried Oreos

Tons of research actually backs an omni diet. Mostly, plants, yes, but not meat- or dairy-free. The only reason to go 100% is a belief that it is wrong not to.

>>41543799
First couple of posts here were about vegan diets and sources of certain nutrients until it got derailed by non-vegans mate

>>41543863
>I didn't shut up about my religion
>what's with all these people getting mad at me for preaching the gospel??

>>41542786

>eats nothing but cheese and potatoes for thirty years

what the fuck? how is she still alive? jesus christ

>literally cries when she eats vegetables

yeah, who the fuck would want to put up with this crazy bitch for the rest of his life?

>>41542659

I read that soy has hormones that fucks with men's test, is this true? I'm not a vegetarian or anything but I do eat tofu now and again and just started liking almond milk

>>41542659
mental health gain by dairy, eggs and meat are a must!!!

>>41543875
>what the fuck? how is she still alive?

Easily, actually, same reason the Irish hung in there until the famine: milk and potatoes together have a more complete nutritional profile than you'd expect. You can survive on them alone for ages.

>>41542659
how do you get b-12 on a vegan diet? humans cant synthesize the b-12 vitamin unlike herbivorb animals

>wat do?

>>41543844
Can't guarantee you'l be immortal mate but I can say my chances of getting cancer/ heart disease are far lower than on a meat eaters. But nice job making it sound ridiculous so people might believe you .

>>41543877
Only if you drink like 20 litres of soymilk a day

>>41543917
Just use special toothpaste. It also takes years before you run out of B12.

>>41543937
Your chances of getting cancer are less than a specific kind of omni's. They are equal or even greater than a different kind whose existence you don't want to acknowledge.

>>41543192
No, it's because people dont want to deal with this shit every waking second of the day

>>41543877
It's bollocks mate. Essentially

>1970's Australia
>Male sheep going infertile
>Checks done, they're eating too much soy
>Check Grass, tonnes of Clover which has a massive soy count
>Therefore, soy makes you infertile which, over time, turned into soy gives you tits
>In reality, we aren't sheep and we don't eat clover either

I remember reading somewhere you need to consume around 200 kilos of Soy products to notice feminising effects

>>41543954
>toothpaste
sure mate....

https://chriskresser.com/b12-deficiency-a-silent-epidemic-with-serious-consequences/

>>41543957
No, they are less.

Tests have proven vegan blood to be most effective against cancer cells whereas meat/diary has been proven to encourage cancer cell growth.

>>41543988
>sure mate....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=b12+toothpaste

>>41543963
>people dont want to deal with this shit every waking second of the day

>are these fries cooked in lard?
>is there casein in this veggie patty?
>were these lentils buttered?
>can you leave the mayo off my sandwich?
>can you leave the cheese off my sandwich?
>wait, the bread has whey in it? just put lettuce in a bowl for me
>yay, lunch is done! time to go shopping
>does this laptop case have leather in it?

If you didn't want to think about it every second of every day, why did you take up a lifestyle that requires thinking about it every second of every day?

I can't even justify killing roaches, honestly I even feel bad for occasionally killing a poisonous spider.
But yet I eat meat.
It's a funny, common thing.
Honestly in the end it doesn't matter, but I'd like to switch over. Any good resources for beginners?
Also tips on how to not come across as annoying when telling people you don't eat meat, also "converting" a GF with the same mindset?

>>41544042
Dealing with idiots ≠ looking through ingredients, the latter is as easy as being lactose intolerant

>>41544026
>a report based in Loma Linda, circulated by ecorazzi and HuffPo

Vegan nutritional deficiencies make it so hard for you guys to recognize biases.

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>>41543917
It's essentially a bacteria that grows in animals but also in running water and root veg. Our cleaning practices are so through now though we kill all the B-12 in water and veg so rely on meat instead

Just take a supplement or fortified food. 250 micrograms should do you.

Plus for everybody saying it's unnatural to take supplements, our food practices also make cattle unable to produce b12 too.

>>41543988
Ahhh Chris Kresser, a acupuncturist masquerading as nutritionist to sell his paleo books and supplements

>Make sure you eat plenty of red meat guys, it's super good for you
>Ohhh, you got heart disease. That's too bad. Well, lucky for you, my online store now has a specialised heart disease medication kit, it's only $100!!!!!!!
>Make sure you keep eating up all that yummy red meat

>>41544084

Vegans are by defintion less biased because they've already shown that they're willing to change their point of view and alter their diet/lifestyle in response to new information. Stubborn meat eaters think they have no bias of their own and are paragons of objectivity even though the entire basis of their opposition to veganism is "fuck you, meat is tasty"

>>41544089

B12 isn't a bacteria, it's a vitamin made by bacteria

>>41544084
No, does your addiction to meat/dairy blind you critically look at your diet choices.

I'd recommend this video, it summaries everything up better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX_oZBMSd4&t=159s&ab_channel=NutritionFacts.org

>>41544055
>I'd like to switch over. Any good resources for beginners?
I can't provide you with a crash course because I was exposed to and converted to veganism very gradually. Vlogs from Jon Venus, Unnatural Vegan and Mic. the Veagn did it for me.
Start by making the tiniest substitutions gradually, see what you like. Learn to cook, substitute chicken burrito for bean burrito, try out non dairy BnJ etc
>Also tips on how to not come across as annoying when telling people you don't eat meat
Never tell anyone you don't eat meat, I tiptoe around it.
"Why can't you eat that?" "I'm lactose intolerant/allergic to eggs/etc"
>also "converting" a GF with the same mindset?
Absolutely never do that, only lead by example. Treat her to a vegan dessert you made. Let her try some of that delicious chickpea curry. "Hey! Check out this minced meat pasta I cooked" (but it's actually soy beef crumbles) or "hey I wanna order falafel, want some?" Just expose her to tasty things.
Another thing I did was mention how "the poor piggy will turn to bacon" after she mentioned how cute a pig on a farm we were passing by. It's not sly manipulation, you just subtly expose her to the reality of her meat's origin and let her decide for herself. Something something frog in boiling water. Most people are just unaware.

>>41544148
>Yes hello 911 yes I'm calling to report a fucking MURDER

>>41544161
My bad xx

>>41542659
>all that soy
just become a trap and starve yourself desu

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>120+ replies
>nobody has mentioned vegan superpowers of being able to do lightwork more easily since you're physical form is not consuming the suffering and fear of your animal brethren

enjoy being farmed for your negativity by entities above you

>>41544293

*your lol now i look retarded :^(

>>41544148
> in response to new information

It's not new information, it's fake information. A Seventh-Day Adventist (but veganism isn't a religion, oh no) organization sponsored a study that compared blood from a model, junk-food-free, unprocessed-even-if-the-processing-was-vegan-food free vegan with, effectively, the cheesy potato lady. They STILL had to add fish oil to the supposedly vegan diet to get the results they wanted. The only thing you read was a headline on a green living clickbait site and you ran with it into an own goal.

>>41544293
>not absorbing the powers of animal totems by consuming their hearts

Your ancestors are ashamed.

>>41544334

>A Seventh-Day Adventist (but veganism isn't a religion, oh no) organization

Right off the bat you're an idiot. Most seventh-day adventists aren't vegetarian, but vegetarianism is revered in that religion as it is in other religions.

>study that compared blood from a model, junk-food-free, unprocessed-even-if-the-processing-was-vegan-food free vegan with, effectively, the cheesy potato lady

Paranoid schizophrenia. They showed the effect of a healthy diet because a healthy diet is what that group of researches was trying to promote. The lack of meat was one of the reasons that made it effective, by lowering the amount of hormones that promote cancer growth.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NutritionFactsOrg/search?query=igf-1

>>41542917
>They're already dead. Might as well eat them.

How would you feel if the world turned vegan and every single farm animal currently being raised as food, or for their food products, were systematically and unrelentingly slaughtered to extinction because humans no longer needed them?

>>41542701
tap water

>>41542659
HIDE MEAT EATER POSTS

IGNORE MEAT EATERS

DO NOT REPLY TO MEAT EATER BAIT

Meat eaters looking like triggered manleta right now.

>>41543320
95% because the planet needs it
1% for the animals
4% to piss off rednecks

>>41544089
caring about natural when you eat fruits/vegetables 5x the size they were 10'000 years ago... cmon

>>41544414
>your proof that veganism is healthy is a healthy non-vegan diet

No, anon, you are the schizophrenic.

>>41544473
Well at least the suffering wouldn't continue. But, believe it or not, there's other ways to handle the issue. Like turning the farms into animal sanctuaries until they die off from old age.

>>41544626
this for me

>>41543799
kys

Just share delicious high proton, animal free recipes pls
There's no point in debating and jerking eachother off

...
Where can I find bulk TVP for cheap?

Meat eaters: "VEGANS ARE SO ANNOYING AND PUSHY"

one thread for vegans on the entire board and the meat cucks troll it

can't make this shit up

>>41544528
underrated

>>41547385
Your weird philosophy has nothing to do with fitness. Frankly, you're lucky this thread wasn't already deleted.

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>>41542815
>Depletes the finite reserves of bone-making cells in the body

>>41548890
Yes, because it is weird to not be involved in an industry that murders billions of sentient animals that are linked to our leading causes of death and also cause great environmental damage. Yes we are the weird ones.
Frankly the line of what topics are acceptable on this board have been blurred, but diet has always been on the table (pun intended) and most of the topics discounting the meatcucks trying to derail everything has even been pertaining specificity to how to optimize the vegan diet for lifting and exercise

>>41542659
>vegan general

You deserve the terror attacks.

>>41548890
>Eating foods that have been PROVEN to reverse CVD has nothing to do with fitness
It's all about squats and GOMAD amirite

*eats beef*

>>41545948
With no funding coming from anywhere, this would never happen.

>>41542775
You're literally just making that up though

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>>41543115
Clarence red pilled me on veganism, I'm not going to make the change, but he opened my eyes to how much healthier veganism is.

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>>41551005
>this is the quality of a thread when no meat is involved

disgusting

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>>41542659
Suck a dick cuck ^^

>>41551876
This really looks disgusting.

>>41542659
>52g protein
>on /fit/

Where do you think you are?

>>41551928
>you need 6 gorillion kg of protein per day

Found the protein shill.

>>41551928
52g is enough. Don't believe the whey propaganda

A can of Monster has 500% of your daily B12
Veganism + sips is basically the perfect diet

>>41552223
>eat vegan to be healthy
>required to drink cancer drink which already killed several people

Wow, I really wonder how anyone can still argue the health benefits of veganism...

>>41542936
>Milk only has Antibiotics
>What is Organic Milk

Man I can not drink milk due to lactose intolerance but even I know the difference.

>>41543155
What you can not eat chicken and fish?

>>41543320
It's mostly for moral high ground and not realizing we as humans naturally eat meat to survive. I have seen numerous people having to return back to eating some form of meat a week only because Veganism does not give the necessary nutrients that meat can.

>>41543676
Actually you would need to avoid Tuna Tuna has a lot of Mercury in it.

>>41543771
>Is soy cancer

Just look at the vegans in this thread. You will get your answer.

>>41544537
Sorry I just bit your Weiner off :)

>>41549813
>Mah virtue signal
>Mah poor animals that we eat to survive

Lol you are a Liberal cuck.

>>41551876
Yum that is some tasty meat.

>>41551200
>Swole left amirite

Lol.

>>41542659
There has been some non-scientific discussion in the thread. Get your facts straight, just because you like eating meat and dairy, does not mean it is healthy.

Some people ingest cow dung and piss, but that does not change the facts about it.

https://nutritionfacts.org

This explains many topics well, check it out if you are interested.

I personally don't give a fuck about the environment or animals, as predation is a part of nature, as well as death and killing.

You as a person have the right to spend your money where you see fit, of course, and treat your body as you wish. I am not attacking you based on your choices, just your views without or with false evidence.

Last but not least, remember the tobacco lobby, the sugar lobby, the soft-drink lobby with papa Coke. Do you really believe the meat and dairy lobby is any different? Lower expenses, maximise profit.

>>41543320

Or just doing the most logical, sustainable and healthy diet change? Guess all those animal fats you're eating is messing up your brain

>>41543100
taco bell isn't meat and dairy you idiot, it's shit quality fast food. if you think you got ill because you ate meat and dairy, and not because you ate garbage processed food, you're an imbecile.

>>41553084
>I can't read

I became plant based about 3 months ago with ~2 portions of meat or dairy per week.

At the start I was trying lots of new food and plenty of veggies, now I've become a junk food vegan out of laziness. What lazy but healthy recipes have you guys got? (One pan recipes would be brill)

>>41543877
A glass of beer will mess with your estrogen more than a glass of soy milk.

>tfw you learn delicious chickpea recipes
>tfw horribly painful bloating
>tfw undigested chickpea logs

Am I doing something wrong? I cook them the way the recipe says so I don't understand.

Veganism causes b12 deficiency: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987
Veganism causes d3 and calcium deficiency: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329 http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700
Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

>>41553862
>plant based
>eating meat and dairy

pick one you cuck

>>41542878
Are you Andy Warski or his gook boyfriend?

>>41554587
Oh shit, it's the vegan police!

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>Meat? I'm sorry friend but I don't consume the flesh of another animal! Be it a fish, mammal or reptile!! Such barbarism is beneath such an enlightened being such as myself you see. And no, I don't have any desire to drink that awful cow juice you call milk! I do not consume any animal product AT ALL!!!!!!!! That behavior is that of a mindless brute! Not a highly intelligent VEGAN such as myself!!!

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>>41554587
>PLANT BASED???? NO YOU CANNOT CONSUME ANY MEAT OR DAIRY AT ALL!!!!!!! DOING SO WOULD IMPLY THAT YOU ARE A KEKOLD!!!!

>>41554587
>carbon based
>containing atoms of any other element

pick one you cuck

>>41542659
KYS

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>>41542659
What do you think about the whole brown rice Arsenic scandal? Should I be scared? I eat 2 pounds of the stuff a week.

I read that rice grown in southern states have the highest amount of the cancerous stuff. My rice is from the brand "Best Choice". The baggies just say grown in the USA.

>>41542659
I would really like to try the vegan lifestyle but I think that my food choices would be too limited. I guess I'll stay vegetarian.

>>41556169
You mean it would be too boring or what?

>>41556211
Too much trouble. How do you stay vegan for example on holidays. I was in Japan and they put some fish liquid in every dish. Do you stop being vegan on vacation, eating out with friends, etc. or how do you deal with these situations?

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>>41556403
I work away lot breh and I find you have to stipulate what you want in restaurants, I have no doubt that sometimes I have consumed animal products unintentionally, but ultimately I think its not about being the freakishly "perfect vegan", but to try your damn best. Hope this helps breh, I've been at this for 6 months now (started veganuary with a couple of mistakes a long the way early on.)

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>>41542659
I can't believe this faggotry.