VEGANS BTFO: Eternally

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>>41388828
https://youtu.be/N3Pd-41ri9Q?t=14m35s

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>I take this fat shit serious

I bet the fat in your brain is making you unable to think, meat head.

>>41388828

i like how everyone looks up to him and he looks like shit, his lifts sucks ass too

Do you even life? Everythings trying to eat everything out there.

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>>41388953
>per 100 cals

Why not use grams of protein per work hour needed to buy in Belarus?

Or grams of protein per acre of land?

Why the fuck do vegans cling to this nonsene? Because it's only vegans, vegetarians, keto-fags, 4+g/kg protein-worshippers, 1000kcal/day skellingtons and even IFFYM-tards wouldn't even think of a unit this absurd.

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>>41389063
t. Captain assblast

>>41388835
kek, I know rippetoe get's a lot of hate because of the SS memes, but he is genuinely funny.

>>41389063
Have fun eating 10 lbs of broccoli a day

>>41389087
No counterarguments? You fat disgusting, meat eating 600 lbs piece of shit can fuck off.

>>41388953
do you have any idea how much of those greens you need to eat to make 100 calories...? I'm vegan but christ thats a dumb chart, you'd be eating a whole head of leattus, or like 4 cups of kale

>>41389063
I like how this makes note of the fact that broccoli doesn't contain all the essential amino acids.

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Hey, don't knock vegans, they have nothing in their shitty lives. Don't try to take away their righteousness, it's the only thing they could find in life to live for.

>>41389094
It's a joke faggot calm down

>>41388989
>he lives in a country without proper milk tests

I've had over 600 gallons of milk go down the drain because a single cow had previously undiagnosed mastitis in a single teat and you tards cling to this bullshit like it's gospel.

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>>41389011
Why aren't you eating both? The amino-acid profiles complement each other rather well and anti-nutrients from beans won't bother you as much.

>>41388828
>Why are you destroying your body by not giving it what it needs?
And what exactly makes animal products something we humans need?

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>>41389094
wew, you couldn't sound more triggered even if you tried.

>>41389129
Don't try to use logic on these animal murderers/rapists.

>>41388953
>don't eat steak, you can just eat 2 kg of cabbage everyday!

wtf i love vegan now

Shitposting thread?

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>>41389094
Holy shit, you sound butthurt.

I guess it must suck when you base your entire identity on what you eat, only to realize nobody gives a shit

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>>41389168
you know it

>>41389168
When the laws of physics change

>>41388967
it's clearly misinformation, like when feminits said "every 4th women gets raped xdxdxd"

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eating crickets is the way of the future

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>>41388953
>guaranteed replies

>>41388828
>supposedly fit old guy
>spends half the recording talking about coffee and alcohol
made me think

>>41389522
Why is cricket meal still so expensive? I want to live in the future and eat dystopia insect bars, but steak is still cheaper.

>>41389094
>You fat disgusting, meat eating 600 lbs piece of shit
20 quid your BMI is in triple digits

>>41389740
Moral posturing doesn't come cheap, goy.

>>41389671
>at 60
>many injuries
>probably lifts more than you

>>41389740
meat and dairy industry is heavily subsizided

>>41389740
supply and demand

>>41389507
raped is wrong, but every 4th women DOES get sexually harrassed at least once in her life

>>41388989
>calcium from bones
Milk is made from bones now? That's pretty metal

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>>41389837
>every 4th women DOES get sexually harrassed at least once in her life

I suppose that might be true now that "sexual harrassement" means anything from "actual rape" to "didn't pay for the date"

>>41389916
Oh I guess the 1000+ women in Germany in Cologne were not harrassed by refugees? Or all those black people/Mexicans are behaving perfectly whenever they are around women?

>>41389129
Being a vegan is a luxury of our modern era

>>41389837
That's completely subjective

>>41389939
Of course they were, that's not every 4th woman in the world though.

>>41390081
>billions of muslims and Africans all over the world
>still does not believe that in 60-80 years long life every 4th woman has experienced sexual harassment

https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/

Meatfags HATE HIM

>>41390113
implying that africans are human

rippetoe is great for advice on increasing your squat and the squat form, as well as advice to beginners. outside of that he is better not listened to in my opinion, especially in the realm of nutrition, he has no business verbalizing a public opinion on it

>>41389770
great, that doesn't change that he's still talking about shit no one gives a fuck about

>>41389671
no one ever called him fit. he's strong for his age but not exceptional. he's known primarily as a coach, not an athlete, though he was a fairly underachieving powerlifter in his youth.

>>41390419
jesus fuck you retards are missing the point
he's being touted as someone I should listen to
but he spent half the time talking about coffee and alcohol while his answers to questions that were actually prompted by the people there were given one or two sentences

>>41390081
1 in 4 sounds about right to me actually. an ass grabbing in a club, a guy being too forward, etc etc, especially since most women aren't living in civilized countries. fucking india has a billion people and they are the rapeyest people i have ever encountered

>>41390441
relax breh there is nothing to be upset about

>>41388828
That said

Vegetarians are a better diet for training and getting yoked than keto.

>>41389084
not even a vegan, but

>acres of land
you do realize that meat/animal production uses waaay more land than veggies. an yes this is proven not only by veganfags. don't ask me for source, google it yourself.

>>41390446
>girl gets raped
>gets punished for being naked in public (after her rapist takes her clothes)

"""""developing""""" world never ever

>>41389011
Stats on those black beans is complete bullshit senpai.

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>>41389094
>carrotboy is triggered

Typical

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>>41388981
mfw I have to eat over a dozen cups of black beans a day or 50 potatoes to get my minimum brotein if I was vegan

>>41389989
So is owning a phone and a computer, yet you have one... Really makes you think huh.

>>41391334
The difference is that ideologies can become popular across time. No one was ever a vegan in antiquity because it was assumed that they'd have to do some degree of physical labor or defend themselves.

>>41391454
If meat wasn't so incredibly cheap and available there probably wouldn't be such a vegan movement. That is the real luxury, being able to eat what was once considered rare and special at any time in any amount.

>>41391488

This is true. And part of what makes me dislike many vegans is the whole attitude behind it - shaming meat eaters and even vegetarians. This only pushes people away from trying it.

Also, eating meat once a day instead of 4 times is a lot better than nothing - which many fail to understand

>>41389113
>doesn't contain all the essential amino acids

anon you havent done your homework

>>41388981

> $4 for a quarter pound of steak

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Why are vegans so annoying? Don't they realize they just antagonize people and turn them against them?

Just do your meme diet and stop bothering people.

>>41389002

>comparing the cost of the shittiest vegan trash food to a steak made in a restaurant

>>41392027
>beans
>trash food
xD

>>41388953
>per calories
>implying any athlete has ever wanted to eat LOW CALORIES

>>41388953
I'm not gonna eat my weight in kale nigga

>>41389522

FUCKING MEAT EATERS REEEEEEEE

>>41391703

>part of what makes me dislike many vegans is the whole attitude behind it - shaming meat eaters and even vegetarians. This only pushes people away from trying it.

The "don't shame me" attitude people have these days is much worse. That's why we have the fat acceptance movement. Learn how to take criticism without getting defensive.

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>>41390441
The video was a generic Q&A session at the end of one of his seminars. People ask him all sorts of things. It’s for fun.

Watch some of his actual coaching videos if you want to judge his value as a coach.

So many of shit posts here. Half of these replies are along the lines of shoving 2 lbs of lentils up your ass for protein.

The only argument that vegans have is I don't wanna kill for food. If you're willing to closely monitor and eat a wide variety of different vegetables each day because you don't like the death of animals cool. Even then you have to accept that you're a giant pussy because this world has always been eat or be eaten, we just happen to be at the top of this. Despite this is not our optimal diet it can healthy if practiced properly.

It's a fact that by not eating meats there are vitamins that are much harder to get from just plants. I dont give a fuck that per 100 grams of this plant has this much iron and this much protons. That's a huge amount of shitty foods to shove down your throat. Hell its fact that majority of vegans are deficient in some vitamins that can be easily eaten with a diet of meat.

It's fact that majority of plant based proteins lack several amino acids so they need to be eaten in combination with others.

Meat is not unhealthy you morons. It's called moderation. Of course ground beef with a huge amount of fat percentage is not good for you. But a leaner meat such as chicken breast or different types of fish are packed with calories, vitamins and minerals, and always a good amount of protien that actually has all your essential amino acids.

Of course these dumb ass studies you link will say veganism is healthier then meat eaters. The diet they are comparing it to is what the average American eats. The average American eats absolute garbage. Compare it to people who eat a wide variety of vegetables in combination of lean meats.

On top of everything this is a fitness board. You aren't going to make it as a natty vegan lifter. You can lift, and eat vegan but will never make it past DYEL. Wanna prove me wrong post a picture of yourself. I know you look like shit. Or you can eat vegan and roid.

>>41392533
I aint replying to any responses cause I always end up saying the same thing over and over again. You guys are idiots who don't know how to consider any opinion other than your own.

>>41392533
>there are vitamins that are much harder to get from just plants
Like what, B12? That's such a well known issue it isn't even worth an argument.

>shitty foods
Stopped reading there, you're an idiot.

>>41392569
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23356638
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/

You should really consider suicide.

>>41392613
>vegetarians
>estimating the overall diet quality based on different aspects of healthful dietary models (be it the US Dietary Guidelines for Americans or the compliance to the Mediterranean Diet) indicated consistently the vegan diet as the most healthy one
>vegan diet as the most healthy
So one is off topic and the other one contradicts yourself? Haha

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>>41389011
6 grams protein , 4 groups protein, whats the difference?

Why do vegans have to lie in such retarded ways to defend their fad diet?

>>41392101
>The "don't shame me" attitude people have these days is much worse. That's why we have the fat acceptance movement. Learn how to take criticism without getting defensive.

That's not what I meant. I don't mind it but many of the people I find criticizing vegans refer to that stuff.
For example someone decides to have a vegan day every week
>why just one?
A restaurant makes a new vegetarian dish
>why not vegan

the main sources of vegan proteins such as legumes come with tons of anti-nutrients.

thats why vegans always look emanciated and quit after <5 years. if they were super fat fucks before had, they can cruise for a while, but you can't survive on poison beans and fiber and expect not to go auschwitz mode.

>>41392781
>439mg sodium
Now that's some shitty canned beans. 26% protein is still a lot. But yeah infographs are almost always retarded.

>>41392821
>anti-nutrients
>poison beans
Shit am I going to develop 215 deficiencies and die from beans? Also that's some all around bullshit you're saying there.

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>>41389094
FUCKING LAWL

Vegans are the most butthurt people on earth, even worse than compensating turbo manlets

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I'm a vegan and I find this whole thread hilarious, on both sides.

>consume ~100g of protein as byproduct of eating the tasty beans and veggies I love.
>Any missing vitamins and minerals from meat come from cereal and almond milk
>spend less than $5 a day to eat like a fucking king

I'm not even mad at meat-eaters or think they're dumb, I just think you're missing out. It's your body and your choice what goes in it, so eat whatever the fuck you want. But if the world ever manages to go to shit due to greenhouse gas emissions, I'll be looking at you 99%-ers, who wanted the sweet succulent taste of steak over a bomb ass spinach-bean dip, with a look of shame.

But who knows wtf will happen, we'll just have to see :^)

>>41393043
>I just think you're missing out

>I'm missing out because I eat what you eat plus meat
uhhhh

>>41393570
>I eat what you eat plus meat
>I eat what you eat
There would be no need for meat if you were eating exactly what I eat, newfriend.

>>41393684
Yes, because I only eat exactly what I need and nothing else.
Are you retarded or autistic?

>>41393043
Can you post what you eat?

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>>41388953
>vegans actually attempt to push this kind of propaganda on people who know what calories are

>>41393703
>regularly eating more than what your body needs
pfft
>>41393725
peanut butter, pinto beans, pasta, vegan cereal, bagels, spinach and peas, and splurge on some fruit sometimes. I only drink water.

>>41393806
So it's retarded and autistic. Gotcha.

>>41393828
>So it's retarded and autistic
So I'm normal? huh

How about Clarence? I would trust buff filthy frank a lot more than a fat middle aged man.

>>41394221
forgot the link!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrysja5lYw&t=719s

>>41388989

Milk doesn't have pus this was a meme invented by the veg cucks.

Veganism and vegetarianism is rad but don't be a lying faggot.

>>41388953
>only a fourth of the calories of a steak come from protein
>meaning a steak is literally 75% fat
Is this a true statement?

>>41392038
>xD
I don't care what else was stated in this thread, this is the post that makes me hate vegans.

>>41390602
You're eating more than you need are you rich Piana or some shit

>>41394265
>>meaning a steak is literally 75% fat
There's other things there, I believe

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>>41388989
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>>41389002

>tfw you realize vegans are trying to push their diet onto others through false info charts

>>41389002
>he fell for the cholesterol and fats are bad for u meme
enjoy your low test faggot

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>>41388828

>>41388981
>beef is $16 a pound

My favorite tripfag is vegan.

>I saved that special pic you took for me, thanks!

>>41388828
>VEGANS BTFO: Eternally
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>>41388989
>What's in a glass of milk?
What's In Your Post?, you mean. And the answer is memes.
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
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>>41389094
>No counterarguments?
Links related
>You fat disgusting, meat eating 600 lbs piece of shit can fuck off.
The only one here who needs to fuck off are you and your ilk with your pseudoscientific memes.
>>41392533
>Of course ground beef with a huge amount of fat percentage is not good for you.
This is a meme too. Don't fall for it
>>41392554
No, you're not replying because the only arguments you have are shit
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html
>>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>(cont.)

>>41396364
when will you give us actual studies PLEASE

>>41389113
i love this meme

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>>41388989
>(cont.)
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>>41392569
>Like what, B12? That's such a well known issue it isn't even worth an argument
>>41392644
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-muscle-nutrients-in-animal-foods/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/
>https://dailyhealthpost.com/4-brain-nutrients-found-only-in-meat-fish-and-eggs-not-plants/

>>41388828
Where's his source for this graphs like this? i see them in his books too.

>>41396376
>when will you give us actual studies PLEASE
when will you read what I posted PLEASE

>>41396397

I read it all and I'm unconvinced. What now?

>>41396516
You'll probably stay unconvinced and continue to buy into your pseudoscientific memes. Do everyone who knows what they're talking about a favor though and don't be so up you're own ass about it

>>41396579

>those links
>claims psuedoscience on anyone else

It looks like you fall for anything with a cool blog name

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>>41392533
this is kinda retarded because every person who isnt very health conscious is deficient in some vitamins/minerals whether or not they eat meat. Also the whole "plant proteins are incomplete" thing is really exaggerated. Pic related is pea protein and its literally just missing a tiny bit of one amino acid so if you eat literally anything else youll be fine. Im not vegan but I use it because its cheap and dairy free

>>41389051
>Eat a cup of cooked lentil for them mad protein gains
>Blow out my colon by lunch

>>41396389
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants/

>B12 does not come from animal products, therefore is vegan
>your body produces creatine from other amino acids, which can be consumed through vegan food
>your body produces carosine from other amino acids, which can be consumed through vegan food
>you get vitamin d from the sun, which is vegan
>you can get DHA from algea, a plant source, which is vegan
>your body produces taurine from other amino acids, which can be consumed through vegan food

This must have been written by a soccer mom. Literally the only one listed you cant get from a vegan source is heme-iron which isnt an issue for anyone who eats salads

>>41390469
You're missing the point.

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>>41388989
>[bullet] Acidic protein which leeches [...]
>[Bullet] [...] Calcium from bones
Wew reminds me of when I would run out of things to list in class assignments.

>>41397204
Yeah that guy is a retard who always posts the same shit in every vegan and nofap thread he sees. If you search chaosandpain on the archive you can see the full extent of his autism.

>>41392533
>because this world has always been eat or be eaten
kek, deriving an ought from an is. Nice arguments bro.
>This world has always had cancer, people who cure cancer are pussies. It's always been get cancer and die, so that's how it should be.

That's your argument.

>>41389029
they give logical answers except for the I AM SILLY 4th panel.
>what did they mean by this?

>>41389039
Strawman arguements, the image

>>41388828
Rip is a faggot. He looks like the type to drop dead from a heart attack right about... now.

I love vegans. I fully support them and I applaud all their efforts to graze themselves out of the gene pool. Especially but not limited to the purple haired fat vegans who live on oreos and processed carbs.

>Trendy vegan diets can wreck a child's health: Nutritionists warn that lack of nutrients can cause 'irreversible damage' to their nervous system
Nutritionists will warn that vegan diets can be damaging to children's health
Number of vegans has risen 360 per cent in the past 10 years to 542,000 people
Experts say a lack of nutrients can cause 'irreversible damage' and malnutrition

>tfw vegan kids all have rickets, rotten teeth
>no energy, no intellect
>stay midgets and manlets at best
>no puberty
>go from child to elderly
>blindness and brittle bone disease

But by all means, enjoy your lentils, you child torturing, baby murdering scum.

>>41400082
> Nutritionists warn that lack of nutrients can cause 'irreversible damage' to their nervous system
Holy shit really? And that's only a vegan problem? Good to know!

>>41393043
You have more green house gas emissions from your butthole than all of us combined. That includes the protein fart bros.

>>41400145
Whenever I meet a vegan, I ask them if they have children. If they do, CPS gets an anonymous tip within a week or two.

>I eat five dozen eggs
>not Gaston, in a week
>tfw the perfect food

I don't give a fuck about anianimals you idiots just look at my phone and t-shirt that was manufractured in slave factories do you even think I give a fuck about humons start there maybe you moron

>>41400145
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies/

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/12-year-old-vegan-has-the-degenerating-bones-of-80-year-old/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967089751/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0967089751&linkCode=as2&tag=theheahomec0a-20

I can't tell if this vegan propaganda is serious or a satire. They're really scraping the barrel by counting protein from bread, bagels, tofu, soy... lmao. Do vegans just not understand what amino acids are? I honestly don't understand how these people so obsessed with diet are so ignorant unless it's just a cult.

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>>41400294
Oh shit you can kill your kid by feeding him shit food? God I did not know this! If I ever have kids I'll get them Mcdonalds, KFC and twinkies every day.

>>41389011
100g of hair
~100g protein
>all proteins are biologically valuable

>>41389740
low demand means large scale production isnt feasible
and small scale production is expensive

>>41389089
This, desu. I've never seriously considered starting SS but I've watched many of his videos just cause he's fun to listen to.

>>41397204
>This must have been written by a soccer mom.
And you must have not read
>Literally the only one listed you cant get from a vegan source is heme-iron which isnt an issue for anyone who eats salads
Literally this is not an argument and even further proof you can't read
>>41398046
>Yeah that guy is a retard
>This level of projection
A shitposter trying to act he actually has and no-shit argument and who continually vouches for bad science, doesn't have any right to call anyone else retarded
>who always posts the same shit in every vegan and nofap thread he sees. If you search chaosandpain on the archive you can see the full extent of his autism.
Yeah, sure, in the shitton of threads (You) constantly post on this board, often more than one at a time. Maybe if you kept your pseudoscientific shitposts to yourself and didn't constantly spam shit threads all over /fit/, you wouldn't need to get so assblasted when people who know what they're talking about show up

This is a fitness board why don't you post your body and preferred eating habits instead. Fucking dyels get off my board reeeeeeeeeeee

>>41400650
Why don't you make the start ;)

>>41389063
>implying i don't want violence

>>41388828
I dont understand vegans. Like vegetarians are already retarded enough, but at least they can eat dairy.

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can some explain this to me, I never got this
if all animals are equal in a vegan's eyes, then why are humans the only ones that aren't allowed to prey on others? that gives animals more rights than us.
Also, organic free range farming them is a much better life and death than always fearing for your life and being torn apart alive by teeth.
if anything, it's the most equal and humane thing you can do
also

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>>41388828

>weak pl wanted O-lifters to low bar
>never trained any champs
>also
>Vegan Clarence kennedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgixW_RIkjQ

>>41400294
>>41400082
The cherriest of picks
Kek 9/10 got me to reply

>>41400909

1. many "free range farms" have been found out to be fake as fuck, using conventional methods for harvest

2. the ecological impact of animal farming is greater than that of crop farming

3. Animal products cause inflammation, as well as many other health problems

4. HXH is gay a fuck, Gon should of died.

>>41400859
>I don't understand people who choose to not take part in the NEEDLESS torture and murder of sentient beings
Ok

>>41392007
its not like most of them do it for the diet, they do it out of reasons exactly like what you said, they like to feel antagonized because to them its proof theyre on the right side of history

>>41400943
guy is so fucking ugly, what happend to his nose? is that shopped?

>>41400909
Humans have the ability of rational thought, along with the means to sustain themselves without directly causing the suffer and death of a sentient being.

Animals lack these two things and therefore cannot be held accountable for their actions. Animals also don't systematically farm and murder each other.

>organic and free range farming
It's a meme to con retards like you into thinking there's anything humane about modern farming.

>>41401027
Then stop antagonising them

>>41393684
If he already eats what you eat plus eats a delicious steak when he feels like it he's eating like more of a king.

>>41401015
Cant sustain life without killing things senpai.

>>41392007
>He said while posting in a "vegans btfo" thread that an annoying vegan obviously made
>>>41400909
>if all animals are equal in a vegan's eyes, then why are humans the only ones that aren't allowed to prey on others? that gives animals more rights than us.
1) some vegans may claim we are equal, but most afaik just acknowledge that animals are sentient, not necessarily equal.
2) you wouldn't spank a toddler because they broke your expensive vase, he was playing. That's what toddlers do. You'd just do your best to avoid breaking your second vase. Likewise, you can't blame a wolf for eating a deer, it's just what wolves do. Plus, a wolf can't rely on grains and legumes, you can.
>Also, organic free range farming them is a much better life and death than always fearing for your life and being torn apart alive by teeth.
1) please don't fall for the organic Jew meme
2) can two consenting humans breed and raise a kid with the sole purpose of eating it? If not, why doesn't the same apply to animals?
>But in nature they'd be eaten
If you see someone about to pickpocket someone else, would you rush in to steal the latter's wallet first? If not, why not apply the same to animals?
Humans are not "on top of the food chain". Humans are completely above the entire food chain.
>if anything, it's the most equal and humane thing you can do
How is killing something "humanely" so that it can avoid being eaten alive better than just not eating it?
>>41401174
I'll assume you are referring to crop farming collateral damage or something
But you can always minimise the amount of death required for your sustenance, senpai

When one of the meat eaters ITT dies of a heart attack at age 68, I want to let them know I feel zero sympathy.

>>41401477
Why should I though? Death is a natural part of the world. Humans are made to eat both meat and plants, avoiding either is silly.

>>41401640
>Death is a natural part of the world.
Spare me the pseudointellectualism.
>Humans are made to eat both meat and plants, avoiding either is silly.
Why not avoid meat if it causes the UNNECESSARY torture and murder of sentient beings?

>>41401745
Farm animals arent tortured. They are well fed, get looked after when they are sick and are kept happy. Fear and tension makes the meat taste worse.

Well maybe chickens are tortured but they are functionally retarded anyway.

>>41401813
Hell even hunted animals get a better deal out of it than they would if another animal killed them. Generally a lot easier to get shot to death than being mauled and eaten.

>>41401813
>Farm animals arent tortured.
There is at best a 10% chance you are eating from small papa and mama farms and not "barely got the license" "farms" or simply factories
>They are well fed, get looked after when they are sick and are kept happy.
That still doesn't take care of the murdering part, only the killing.
Also, your logic is flawed because I can extend that to dogs or even humans. Would it be ok to painlessly kill a dog or a human, if I took care of them and made sure they are happy?
> Fear and tension makes the meat taste worse.
I wonder about that. I've read that in China, dogs are beat before death because the adrenaline makes the meat taste better.
I'm not saying that you should stop eating bacon because dogs are beaten in China, I'm calling you out on your uncited bs.
>Well maybe chickens are tortured but they are functionally retarded anyway.
http://earthsky.org/earth/chicken-intelligence
Would it be ok to eat a retarded, or even better a brain-dead, comatose, quadriplegic human?
If not, why eat a smart pig?

>>41401945
Those animals exist solely to be killed. Most of their breeds wouldn't even be around if it wasnt for us eating them. Painlessly killing dogs happens all the time and for people it would depend exactly how much you are taking care of them.
Cannibalism is totally different from eating other species. Few wild animals are cannibals. But other than that yeah who cares about brainless animals? We eat brainless plants no problem.
What are you going to do with all these animals if we decide to stop eating them? There is something like a billion and a half cows living on the world. Those idiots cant survive in the wild, they werent made for it. If they were left alone half of them would be dead by the end of the year. There are about 2 billion pigs, you really want them to be set loose and end up reverting into wild boar who are going to tear around the place, disrupt environments and be a danger to society?

>>41402102
>Those animals exist solely to be killed.
And does that make it ok?
Also, unnecessarily* and needlessly** killed
>Most of their breeds wouldn't even be around if it wasnt for us eating them.
You wouldn't exist if your parents didn't fuck and you owe them your life, but I imagine you haven't always done what they told you to. Much less die to donate your vital organs to them, right? That's not okay because you have a consciousness and will of your own. Same to animals then.
>Painlessly killing dogs happens all the time and for people it would depend exactly how much you are taking care of them.
I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
>Cannibalism is totally different from eating other species.
Both are meat, both are retarded. Wasn't that your criterion?
Even better, the human is brain-dead, but the pig is as smart as a healthy human toddler.
>Few wild animals are cannibals.
Most carnivores are cannibals but that's irrelevant to your food choices.
>But other than that yeah who cares about brainless animals? We eat brainless plants no problem.
A chicken is conscious, a stalk of broccoli is not.
>What are you going to do with all these animals if we decide to stop eating them?
Literally just don't let them breed, and keep a few healthy specimens in sanctuaries, like we do with pandas. They will live natural livespans, naturally die and that's all.
>cows ... cant survive in the wild, they werent made for it. If they were left alone half of them would be dead by the end of the year.
This fantasy scenario implies that 100% of people will become vegan overnight, which they wont
>pigs ... tear around the place, disrupt environments and be a danger to society?
I am not against pest control. This isn't me being a hypocrite, I am just doing the bare minimum to "live and let live"
I don't have to kill and eat it, so I won't. I have to keep it out of my city or crop field, so I will. 1+1=2.

>>41402399
So you are happy to let entire species die just so we dont hurt your feelings? How do you intend to pay for keeping all these animals alive and fed for far longer than normal and with no income coming from selling them as food?

Cannibalism has been recorded for more than 1,500 species and there are anywhere between 2 to 50 million species on the planet. it is not that common and is mostly found in shit like insects and fish.

Also what are you going to fertilize your plants with if we dont have farm animals shitting constantly?

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>>41402399
Preach, brother!

Just passed 1-year vegetarian. Still getting juicy as fuark.

>>41402399

The Tragedy of Empathy:

Those who control other people have more power to impose their aesthetic-moral vision than those who lack the power and drive to do so.

"Not eating meat for moral purposes" is utter faggotry. Your goal is to get into power to impose your morality, not to pretend that your individual act of "resistance" means anything.

Are you going to turn into Behemoth and slay the Leviathans of the human race?

There are far more people willing to dominate you than people who agree with the specifics of your moral-aesthetic vision.

Not to mention, the calculation of such a vision will probably be done far better by future machines. That should be your moral imperative btw, to create machines that can calculate far better than humans.


Additional tragedy of empathy:

Future machines will discover moral principles and exceptions and systems beyond anything you can calculate. Why LARP about finding morality when material reality will find principles that supersede your own?

>>41402544
>So you are happy to let entire species die just so we dont hurt your feelings? Lmao the mental gymnastics
>How do you intend to pay for keeping all these animals alive and fed for far longer than normal and with no income coming from selling them as food?
I assume that the extra income from the reduced heart attack and stroke rates will do
>Cannibalism has been recorded for more than 1,500 species and there are anywhere between 2 to 50 million species on the planet. it is not that common and is mostly found in shit like insects and fish.
Lions kill the cubs of a female to make her want to mate
Some sharks eat each other in the womb
None of this has to do with your decision to support the needless killing of innocent sentient beings
>Also what are you going to fertilize your plants with if we dont have farm animals shitting constantly?
Synthetic fertilisers
Dude come on. You don't eat burgers to help farmers with fertilising their fields.

>>41402544
Not the poster you were responding to, but...


>Cows will go extinct
you're really grasping at straws here.

>humans are the only sentient beings that deserve being treated well.
I fundamentally disagree here.

>what is compost?

>>41402837

The world is a vast system of evil.

>None of this has to do with your decision to support the needless killing of innocent sentient beings

My child is worth the death of a million animals.

multiply that by a bajillion.

You don't understand how small-minded your moral imperative is as opposed to the mass of people who want to perpetuate the human race.

>>41402798
What are you smoking, man? You're really off on a tangent.


The argument here: Torturing animals for eating is bad.

>>41402798
>>41402855

CONT.

Why not help NKs overthrow their dictator instead of LARPing?

Do not millions of combined moral agents matter more than animals domesticated into relative docility?

Are you going to stop using oil? Are you going to go off the grid? Are you going to forsake modernity and sit in the forests as a ghost who does not touch the rest of reality?

The world is a vast system of evil that has no obligation to make you feel good. Get over it.

>>41402855
>who want to perpetuate the human race.
by being sick of all saturated fats, cholesterol and animal protein, red meat is carcinogen for christ sake
by killing other earthlings for simple unnecessary pleasure
by destroying the planet using the global resource to feed farm animals so that you can get pleasure tasting their dead body

if you really want to perpetuate human race, kys literally now

>>41402870
>The argument here: Torturing animals for eating is bad.

I don't care. My child is more important than your faggotry, your peacock feathers of a lived morality.

You enable the Sauds to rape slaves and cause chaos around the world by using modern technologies?

Are you going to forsake your evil and move to the forest?

>>41402916
none of what you said makes any sense
turn on the brain before continuing the discussion?

>>41402904
>by being sick of all saturated fats, cholesterol and animal protein, red meat is carcinogen for christ sake

I'm far healthier and less histrionic than the men faggots who get pleasure from simplistic moral views and stroking themselves with self-esteem.

>by killing other earthlings for simple unnecessary pleasure

How is it unnecessary when every human must compete against every other human for a position on the social and economic ladder?

>by destroying the planet using the global resource to feed farm animals so that you can get pleasure tasting their dead body

DESTROYING THE PLANET? You mean the same world that's been under ice for a period of 300 million years while single celled life bided their time? The same planet that is full of chaotic forces which strew life and makes itself an altar of blood?

>>41402855
>The world is a vast system of evil.
Arab drivers are dangerous and reckless. Does that mean that if you went on vacation or for work there, you would drive recklessly too?
If not, why partake in other wrongdoings of the world?

>My child is worth the death of a million animals
The choice to be made is not your child's life or the pig's life. It's chicken or chickpeas.

>You don't understand how small-minded your moral imperative is
>Choosing seitan ribs over lamb ribs is small-minded
Ok

>As oppposed to the mass of people who want to perpetuate the human race.
I do. And? Most people also don't lift, should I not lift either because that's what the mass does?
Also, what does "perpetuate the human race even mean"? I'm not against children

>>41402935

You live in a vast system of evil you stupid faggot.

The usage of everything in our society necessitates compromise with good and evil.

You're not being honest with anything that exists when you try to peacock your morality.

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>>41396364
>mfw the autist who posts his pasta in every nofap thread goes after vegans now

In all seriousness, 'mirin the Lindybeige article

>>41402956
>The choice to be made is not your child's life or the pig's life. It's chicken or chickpeas.

I want my child to have the utter most competitive advantage so that instead of being a faggot who peacocks individual morality, he can dominate other humans and be able to influence the actions of other people far more than other people.

>>41402916

lmao. Can't make any real arguments against veganism so you're off on this tangent.

>muh child
>muh saudi slaves
>muh north korea


ok bud. You're a real intellectual.

>>41402982

I'm saying the reason for your veganism is short-sighted and misses the essential big picture of humanity.

You want a morality to exist, you have to enforce it and dominate groups of people who make different moral calculations.

>>41402959
>You live in a vast system of evil you stupid faggot.
>
>The usage of everything in our society necessitates compromise with good and evil.
do as little evil as possible, that's called surviving
doing something evil to a weaker being for unnecessary reason is the faggot-est thing

>You're not being honest with anything that exists when you try to peacock your morality.
agree some vegans can be faggot for above reason
not an argument, doesn't mean veganism is wrong

>>41402895
>Why not help NKs overthrow their dictator instead of LARPing?
Because that takes effort and time and money and I'm lazy. Going to the grocery store for soy mince instead of beef mince costs nothing. It's just a choice, you don't have to be an activist
>Do not millions of combined moral agents matter more than animals domesticated into relative docility?
No, but that has nothing with what you put on your plate
>Are you going to stop using oil?
No, I NEED it to go to work. I don't NEED to eat bacon though
>Are you going to go off the grid? Are you going to forsake modernity and sit in the forests as a ghost who does not touch the rest of reality?
Appeal to futility fallacy of the highest order
>The world is a vast system of evil that has no obligation to make you feel good. Get over it.
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>>41402997
>do as little evil as possible, that's called surviving

"As little evil as possible"

That's a pathetic principle. You think those who dominate the world follow that?

The higher principle is "Be strong enough to dominate and influence other human beings"

>doing something evil to a weaker being for unnecessary reason is the faggot-est thing

Your calculation of evil is the calculation of a single human brain who does not live the full spectrum of other moral calculators.

Why not build machines to calculate evil on far larger orders of magnitude instead?

>>41402978
>competitive advantage
Name ONE thing that exists in meat and not plants
> dominate other humans
>influence
> other people far more than other people
TIL meat makes you Chad Thundercock
I guess all the neckbeards in /b/ and /v/ and /a/ must be vegan

>>41389939
>Oh I guess the 1000+ women in Germany in Cologne were not harrassed by refugees?
Many were actually literally raped but the government is covering it up like in the good old GDR (where raped happened with soviet soldiers).

t. lives in Cologne

>>41403050
>Name ONE thing that exists in meat and not plants

Taste, savoryness, the traditions of groups of different moral calculators.

>TIL meat makes you Chad Thundercock
I guess all the neckbeards in /b/ and /v/ and /a/ must be vegan

Being a vegan must make you a faggot who doesn't understand that different groups of humans make different sets of moral calculations with different weights attached to different values.

>>41402993
Much better put, anon. Thank you.

Humans' health, a green and healthy earth, and the morality of torturing animals all fits into my big picture of humanity.

>>41402837
>I assume that the extra income from the reduced heart attack and stroke rates will do
You got any figures there friendo? Because meat and poultry makes $864.2 billion annually in the US alone.
>Lions kill the cubs of a female to make her want to mate
>Some sharks eat each other in the womb
Yes, two species of 1500. How does that make it any less rare overall?
>>41402844
Species of cows will go extinct. And animals are already treated well for the most part. Treating them poorly is just bad for business.

>>41403071
>a green and healthy earth,

How is it going to be green and healthy when future machines will destroy it to unlock resources to build far more precise and numerous machines for the calculation of the dimensions of the world, including moral calculation?

You think you are connected to a platonic realm of the Good but making the mistake that your calculation is all.

You will change your mind in 10-20 years. Why should we believe the swaying of wheat grass?

>>41403072
>Because meat and poultry makes $864.2 billion annually in the US alone.
And thats not even counting all that other good shit that vegans cant eat like dairy, honey and fish. They could lay off the fish a bit though to be fair.

>>41403137
do you support drugs and human trafficking business as well?
are you this way because of too much meat?

>>41403107

What kinda books you reading, anon? Genuinely curious.

Where'd you get so pessimistic? Computer technology does not work the same as the human brain. We have centuries before anything like a self-aware, self-propagating machine would care at all to destroy us. Everyone is excited that google can now identify cats on youtube... It's nothing like human intelligence at all.

>>41403164
The estimated profits from illegal drugs and human trafficking do not make half that of meat and poultry and dont support nearly as many families through jobs. They also dont pay taxes on their trade.

>>41403191
>Where'd you get so pessimistic?

When you realize that humanity for most of its prehistory and history practiced barbarities like infanticide, child abuse, child rape, and rape in general until the development of cultures which put higher emphasis on infant affection and higher emphasis on the cohabitation of father and mother.

We don't appreciate the vast abyss we've climbed out of. For all the faults of democratic societies, they're an improvement on past cultures in terms of raising people who aren't primitive psychopaths.

>It's nothing like human intelligence at all.

Computers and machines are climbing out of the abyss far faster than our ancestors took. Even centuries is an improvement.

>What kinda books you reading,

i don't read books. I read scholarly articles. I've taken Nietzsche's advice to merely observe glacially the world around me.

>>41403070
>different groups of humans make different sets of moral calculations
Lol ok then, my moral compass dictates that I must kill you and rape your girlfriend, like our ancestors did, and you should respect that because morality is subjective and I assign zero value to your life and fuckhole value to your girlfriend
Is that ok? If not, why assign a negative value to animal life?
>>41403072
>You got any figures there friendo? Because meat and poultry makes $864.2 billion annually in the US alone.
The cost of keeping a handful of animals in sanctuaries does not have to be equal to the profit they make right now, only equal to the living cost of the living animals. Extremely flawed logic with very poor understanding of economy. I kept arguing because I thought you weren't a troll, just misinformed like 97% of humans, guess I was wrong
>Yes, two species of 1500. How does that make it any less rare overall?
How does it make it any more relevant to the fact that you don't need meat? You are waaaay off topic

>>41403235
>Is that ok? If not, why assign a negative value to animal life?

That's why the higher principle is to dominate and influence other groups of moral calculators.

Not to berate people on ching chong forums about their form of morality. You're influencing a fraction of people compared to getting ahead in the socio-economic ladder.

The perverse incentives of humanity, I know.

>>41403235
The cost of keeping all the current farm animals alive while nobody eats them does though. Or would you rather allow them to starve to death?
>How does it make it any more relevant to the fact that you don't need meat?
I dont know anon, you tell me? You are the one who brought up cannibalism in the first place.

>>41403251
>You're influencing a fraction of people compared to getting ahead in the socio-economic ladder.
So, eating meat will get me in a better career?

>>41403233
Well it was nice hearing your thoughts. Although I disagree. I keep struggling with Nitezsche i really need to get back to him.

>>41403271

Probably. Eating meat is central to the social traditions and rituals of different groups of people. Who, once again, make different sorts of moral calculations.

You're not being honest with the difficulty of the world when you smugly assume that people are being mere "dumb assholes" for eating meat.

>>41403284

His notion that reading books is far less instrumental than being a good observer of the world is one I take to heart.

>>41401945
there is literally nothing wrong with killing animals.

>>41400980
what's with this "all farms are burgerland bullshit" meme?
my gramps owns a farm and they pretty much go wherever the fuck they want. fucking cows hang out in the middle of the dirt road, dogs go to other farms, donkeys head to the river by themselves

>>41403233
Fristedt?

>>41403267
>The cost of keeping all the current farm animals alive while nobody eats them does though. Or would you rather allow them to starve to death?
This is wrong because it assumes that everyone will go vegan overnight, which they won't
Also, you are not eating beef to spare cows a death of starvation. So it's irrelevant
>You are the one who brought up cannibalism in the first place.
No anon, it was you who mentioned that eating animals is ok because they are brainless

Anon, this is a wake up call. You are attacking me, not veganism. The sooner you realise that you have not a single good argument, the better for everyone

>>41403294
>Probably. Eating meat is central to the social traditions [...]
Fucking lol
>You're not being honest with the difficulty of the world
Has nothing to do with what you put on your plate.
>smugly assume that people are being mere "dumb assholes" for eating meat.
Quote where I said that

>>41403333
It doesnt matter why I eat cows but it does remain a fact that if people stopped eating them there would be no reason to look after them. Entire species of them would go extinct because there isnt any reason to keep them around anymore. Billions of dollars in revenue would be lost and millions would be out of jobs.
Eating animals is ok because they are brainless. Where in that sentence did I imply I enjoy a spot of cannibalism in the afternoon? You are the one who for some reason tried to link eating animals to eating other members of my species.

>>41403363
>Quote where I said that

It's your implication.

>Fucking lol

How is it lol? Tell Vietnamese how they shouldn't use beef in their pho. How are you going to explain that to them when they're worried about getting a position in the socio-economic ladder so they can give their children a boost in life.

Tell that to the christian family who eats ham. Disturb them by forcing them to watch slaughterhouse videos. I'm sure they'll be swayed as opposed to being appalled by the absolute rudeness of your behavior.

As I said, you don't directly say it but your attitude implies that people are dumb assholes who haven't realized your perfect moral calculation.

Also answer me this, what are you going to feed your pets when we all stop farming animals? Are you going to force them to eat plant based foods because the thought of farming upsets you?

>>41403402
CONT.

Hell, tell the mexican labourers that carne asada is evil and strew their plates about in the evening after a long day of work.

I'm sure they'll accept the infallibility of your moral calculation. As opposed to throwing you out the door for being a pinche gringo.

>>41403391
> if people stopped eating them there would be no reason to look after them. Entire species of them would go extinct because there isnt any reason to keep them around anymore.
Wrong, pandas and stray dogs and many many many more animals spend their lives in sanctuaries
> Billions of dollars in revenue would be lost and millions would be out of jobs.
Ok then, start smoking too, don't want the tobacco Jew to go out of business
>Eating animals is ok because they are brainless. Where in that sentence did I imply I enjoy a spot of cannibalism in the afternoon?
I am literally using your logic and asking you "what about brainless humans? What makes them not ok to eat?" And no, stop, animals are not brainless, this is a lie you tell yourself to keep your consciousness at ease

>>41403402
>>41403424
You are confusing a plant based diet with vegan activism, I don't discuss food with random labourers all over the globe lmao

>>41403435
Brainless humans are not ok to eat because, as I already explained, cannibalism is rather rare and humans are not a species that practices it naturally. If we were intelligent praying mantises than sure why not.

>>41403467

You're confusing adopting a plant based diet with furthering the results of your moral goals.

Any sensible person would devote life and soul to attaining a higher position on the ladder. That's how you actually incarnate your moral-aesthetic vision as opposed to LARPing about it.

I love vegans, they constantly remind me that there are people more pathetic than myself.

>>41397089
>literally anything
>literally
one sugar free tictac will correct my amino acid deficiency

I am a vegetarian for religious reason so I can not eat any form of meat or seafood, would it be hard to create a simple cheap meal plan for cutting/shredding and bulking?

>>41405674

Beans and nuts. those are your bulking staples. If you're open to it, eggs as well.

>>41405674
>>41405940
These should be the topics in these threads not fucking animal welfare and activism. This is a fucking fitness board, if you're debating diets including veganism then discuss the nutritional aspects

>>41404144

It still wouldn't cause an amino acid deficiency in the first place if your sole food source was pea protein. 100g of pea protein in isolation may not be used as 100g of protein though.

>>41403481

>cannibalism is rather rare and humans are not a species that practices it naturally.

What do you mean by that? What would naturally practicing cannibalism mean? It was apparently common for us thousands of years ago

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0410_030410_cannibal.html

It's only uncommon in most places now because it's seen as immoral. In the future, eating other animals may be viewed the same way.

>>41388828
Veganism seems like something you do when you have nothing else to do. I just can't understand going this far to complicate your diet unless you are a masochist with a lot of time on your hands.

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Why would you go vegan when you can have a bowl of meat?

>>41405940
Yea im fine with animal by products long as the animal wasent killed for it so like milk honey eggs and what not but like gelatin is a no go.

What would you recommend for cutting or shredding then?

>>41405978
I hate /pol/ talk dw mate

>>41393043
amen bro but i seriously dont give a fuck about the world going to shit im doing it for my health, meat and shit are delicious but not good

>>41407478
I'm a vegan and I love meat, but every time someone posts "You're missing out on this!" It's always something disgusting like a 50 cent hot dog or your weird bowl of mince

>>41392533
Pretty much all of my problems with eating meat is the way the animals are treated. The majority of farms have disgusting practices that makes living 100% suffering for the animals within. Fuck that man, fuck that.

>>41408306
It's just a bowl of sloppy joe meat. Gotta get them gainz