What does /fit/ think of the over-head press? I rarely ever see

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>don't do overhead press it damages your shoulders bro. just do lateral raises like me

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I love it. Really enjoy hitting PRs on it.

The reason you rarely see people doing it is because the average gymbro gets insecure having anything less than a big boy 20kg plate on each side of the bar.
Having to press what looks lightweight hurts their ego.

Vid is a recent PR of 1pl8 x12 I got.

>>41338975
They're by far my favourite exercise. If I didn't have to worry about over training I'd do them every single day.

>>41339013
hahaha fuuuck

>>41338975
My favorite lift so far. My goal is to get 1pl8 before august comer.

At my gym, most guys do it, but low weights (30kg or so), high reps, shitty form (mostly behind the neck while overextending the back).

>>41339013
but who was delt?

I do it but very low weight, 95 lbs max for 5 reps. Feels like shit but it works my shoulders great along with lateral and front raises.

>>41339094
>>41339094
>igh reps, shitty form (mostly behind the neck while overextending the back).

This.
Legs staggered, bench press grip width, leaning back.

They basically turn it into a standing incline bench press.

But they have their belt (or as I've heard it called; "back brace") on so its all good!

>>41338975
good lift for front delts.

>>41339094
>>41339163
snatch grip behind the neck (or klokov for you redditors) is god tier and about the most alpha lift you can ever hope to perform though.

>>41339031
how can you lift that when the room is tilted like that?

>>41338975
it's like the best lift to make you look bigger, but yeah most people avoid it because they're a bunch of pussies

>>41339215

I live near the equator.

It's a good ab and lower back exercise that's about it

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>>41339213
Agreed, I do some sets as back off from ohp.
However the bad form is kind like pic related, ie road to lumbar spondylolisthesis, due to weak abs glutes and shit.

Love doing OHP. Moved on to do it in a seated way because it just feels better while killing leg dive/arching back. Also changed it in as my main movement instead of bench.

Currently somewhat stuck at 62,5kg for five reps but I love it, but I only have seen five other dudes do it in 2 years.

>>41339298
how the fuck can your abs be weaker than your front delt lmao

>>41338975

I enjoy them but I hate how slow I progress on them. When I started SS with just the bar I stalled at 60x5, 90x5, 115x5, and now I'm stuck trying to hit 140x5 for like 6 weeks.

>>41339351
Don't be so weak I hit 205 for 10 reps and ive been lifting for 3 weeks, youre probably a pathetic lanklet though and will never be strong

>>41339368
Gotta get a grip son I could OHP 544 for 40 reps the second time I went to the gym

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>>41338975
I'm literally the only one doing them at my commercial gym

So weird

>>41339351
Make sure to push your head forward between your arms, and lift with your upper back. I plateaued for a while until I learned how to press using my back, and now my upper back/lats get more sore than my delts after heavy ohp

>>41339640
lats hardly do anything in presses.

>>41339013
Am I the only one who thinks this guy looks good?

>>41339013
fuark

>>41339756
he's good but he has a narrow frame and small shoulders

>>41338975
i do them with dumbells because i dont like having to tilt my head back to let the bar pass. Currently @17kg (12-10-8-max) because im a weakling.
It feels way better than the sitting bersion though.

>>41339740

oh sweet summer child.

>>41338975
that guy's grip is too wide

>>41339898
they really don't mate.
it's the same bullshit for the bench press.
lats pretty much do nothing in either.

greg nuckols wrote a nice article about it, so i can link that instead of trying to explain anatomy to dumb people:
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/lats-bench-press-much-ado-little/

>>41339740

OHP is a compound lift. Shoulders are complicated compound joints involving a lot of muscles. People break OHP plateaus all the time not doing anything related to their delts.

Over head shrugs, push ups, and pull overs are really nice assistance to any overhead pressing and to shoulder health. They train muscles that are involved in shoulder stabilization and rotation, ensuring you don't snap your shit up and have a strong base to 'push' from.

Its very possible people hit plateaus because their stabilizers and rotators are shite.

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>>41338975
I started doing them mid workout and my press has gone up substantially.
I don't do them as my main shoulder lift unless I can't get a seat.
They make me feel badass as I do them which is worth it I guess.
A little ego boost can't hurt.

appraoching 1pl8, 10lb away

the most amazing lift, and I like OHP days even more because I do weighted chins that day too

>>41339031
dude at my work seems to think every guy can hit 1 pl8 ohp without lifting.. and yet I rarely ever see anyone hit it for reps at my gym.. I got 145 today for a double and thats the best ive done in 6 months... am I weak?

>>41340006
confirming
>OHP plateau'd pretty hard
>strengthened core with concentration for a few weeks
>blew threw plateau like nothing

>>41340006
yep, completely agree.
pec major, pec minor, traps (upper, middle and lower), serratus anterior, rc muscles, rear delts, teres major all help stabilize.
lats are just not much involved in ohp.

Fav lift dispite how slow the progression can be be.

>>41340044
Nah I wouldn't say so, it's more than you'd see most people doing in the gym. Keep working on it though!

>>41340046
Did you go to concentration camp?

>>41339756
Yes

>>41338975
I enjoy The Press

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I can't fucking do them because of shitty genetics that make me literally unable to lift arms that high

Can't do chins/pulls or facepulls either.
All you people with perfect genetics should be happy.

>>41340162
tried improving thoracic and scapular mobility?

>>41339013
Somebody shop him with impressive delts so we can see the true difference. Keke

>>41339213
Klokov presses are fucking amazing for building the back and middle delt. But i just use it as an accessory. Always like calling it klokov presses even though theyre snatch presses or behind the neck presses. Kind of like Lu Raises

>>41338975
How do you guys manage these without fucking up your back?
Usually in my last couple reps I end up leaning backwards and it hurts

>>41340279
squeeze ass and core.
stop when you notice you're leaning back.

>>41340279
clench your abs and glutes

>>41338975
god tier lift. probably the best lift for raw upper body strength

>>41339351
1. How much weight are you trying to add?
2. Are you using your hips to start and getting under the bar during the drive?

>>41340319
and stabilizer integration. I broke through a plateau when I learned how important
>>41340298
>>41340300
glute and core tightness are to the stability of your upper body.

>>41340044
Dude has never actually lifted. It takes most people quite a while to get to 1pl8, especially if they don't realise that you need to load by very small amounts after a certain point to make reliable progress at all. 145lbs ain't great for 6 months, but you're still stronger than 90% of the population.

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>>41340238
it's not mobility issue, my left collarbone dislocates from sternum when i do it.

i wish it was fixable. It's not.

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What do people think about the push press? I only do strict OHP and never would have thought to do push press, but I saw it is one of the lifts on Symmetric Strength and it aroused my interest (not least because I am shit at OHP).

>>41338975
>hit 1pl8 about 3 months ago for a tripple
>time to cut
>loses strength, now can barely do it for a single

>>41340375
decent for breaking plateaus, avoid otherwise.

>>41339049
This. Its my favourite excercise, but i heard recently that it fucks up your rotator cuff and i already have a slight impingement in both shoulders. I dont want to leave it out.

>>41340385
if you do it correctly and you do other shoulder exercises as well, it probably won't fuck your rc.

>>41339497

Same. I've only seen one other person do them minus me in the past year. Maybe 1-2 do the seated version.

It's my favorite after the squat. Great lift, feels amazing.

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>>41340369
Have you tried a staple gun and a wood shim?

>>41340407
Thanks, thats good to hear, i always do put a lot of emphasis on warming up my shoulders on chest and shoulder days.

>>41340375
John Broz and Glenn Pendlay endorse push pressing. I also like the concept behind them. The fact that you need to push fast to get the weight up increases motor unit recruitment over a static strict press. Also the utilizing leg drive on the concentric means you're overloading the eccentric, a huge bonus. Not many exercises have mechanics that good. Definitely push press over conventional.
And wehn I do conventional, I kind of sit on the edge of a 30" plyo box. That way I can counterbalance the weight with my feet and don't have to hyperextend to keep my center of gravity below me if I start leaning back to finish a rep.

>>41338975
How do you not get Injured when doing them? I kinda hurt my shoulder (one area on the lowest part of the center of the shoulder) hurts when you press down on it, It doesnt hurt that much though. Did I get Injured because I sat at a desk for 10 hours before I lifted?

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>>41340479
If your gym has a barbell like this I'd suggest trying that too. Try landmine presses too the bar path is way easier on the shoulders there.

Most people.just do.dumbell presses

>>41340385
This meme needs to die - the 'danger lift' rep the press has is totally undeserved. No risk of rotator cuff injury with a correctly performed press as it's the anatomically correct ROM for the joints and muscles involved. The only way you could is if you missed a rep with a weight that was way too heavy for you to even be attempting to begin with. You're much more likely to fuck up your rotator cuff benching, but again only if you go out of your way to do it incorrectly.

>>41340567
Nigga what the fuck are you even talking about?

Did 155x3 yesterday
The key is to switch all your pressing to close grip, it just makes your triceps and pressing strength skyrocket
Close grip bench (shoulder width) is wayyy better for overall strength and size then gripping it wider.

>>41340379
>>41340567
Thanks. Think I will give it a go tomorrow just for a bit of a change.
>>Also the utilizing leg drive on the concentric means you're overloading the eccentric, a huge bonus.
Excellent point. I hadn't considered that.

>>41340846 seems like i got memed on by those two faggy physical therapy fags on youtube.

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>tfw doing OH press and some guy racks up next to me slightly more weight and does push press to try and prove he's stronger
reeee

>>41340567
>The fact that you need to push fast to get the weight up increases motor unit recruitment over a static strict press.
No, it doesn't.

Push press is good for variety and for oly lifters that need strength mainly around lockout.
For most people, conventional is better.

>>41340921
which ones?
link to video?

there are legitimate reasons to avoid ohp.

>>41340921
The idea that the press is bad for your shoulders has been around for years. There's no good reason for it. I think it probably has something to do with the fact that the press was eliminated from the Olympics in 1972 under fairly controversial circumstances and people hit upon the idea of it being dangerous as a just so story. But if you actually look at the mechanics of the lift and the anatomy of the shoulders, it really doesn't stack up at all. Not to mention, shoulder injuries were extremely uncommon in Olympic weightlifting prior to 1972 and still are, and the entire sport is literally based around shoving heavy weights overhead.

OHP is great for strength and will improve your bench. It´s absolute garbage for building shoulders though.

What's your push press to OHP ratio lads? I'm at 93.5 kg PP 75 kg OHP, so ~1.25

klokov has a 225 kg PP and 162 kg strict press, bringing him close to 1.4, which is low for an olympic lifter (due to klokov being one of the best strict pressers in the game)

>>41340990
Bob and brad nigguh
https://youtu.be/3bKQJXjkb6A

>>41341001
overdeveloped front delts are a common cause for shoulder injuries.
ohp contributes to that.
morphology also excludes some people from pressing weight overhead safely.

>>41341064
won't improve your bench, unless you have really weak front delts (almost nobody does).
ohp is great for building front delts.
shit for lateral and rear delts, i'll agree.

>>41341001
Yeah I only learned that while watching the last Olympics that any kind of push pressing is strictly forbidden, I didn't realise.

>>41339031
thats awesome, i can only do 1pl8 for 3 maybe 4 if i push press

>>41341084
most of what they say is correct.

i'd still recommend ohp to most people though.
single arm landmine presses are a good (safer and easier) alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx1ytBh6kgU

can you compete with these slavs?

What's everyone's opinion on how rippetoe teaches the OHP now? It feels a cunt hair away from being a push press. Should I be doing them this way or lower the weight a little bit and try to be more strict with my entire body?

>>41341105
No it doesn't. Pressing actually balances the development of the deltoids. BENCHING can cause overdeveloped front delts and a predisposition to shoulder injuries - which is exactly why shoulder injuries are so common amongst competitive powerlifters. And yes morphology excludes some people but those people likely already know who they are because they're already fucked to begin with.

>>41338975
I like doing them, but every time I do a set I get an irrational fear that I am going to lose my grip and the bar will fall and crack my head open.

>>41341174
there's a vid of klokov doing 163kg even.

>>41341204
Overhead pressing doesn't balance development of the delts at all.
Activity of lateral delt is about half of front delt, while the rear delt is hardly activated at all.
Benching can cause overdeveloped front delts, yeah, but not nearly as severe as ohp, because it's mainly a pec and triceps exercise.

>>41341270
nvm just found 165 kg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OepRR_02q3g

and I heard once that 170 is his all time best

the best presser around his weight atm iirc

>>41341199
It isn't a push press because there's no ground reaction from a bend in the knees. Try push pressing properly after you've learned the press - you'll find they work in completely different ways. He teaches them that way for 2 reasons:

1. It fixes a bar path problem commonly encountered by people trying to press 'strict' - failure to get under the bar after it passes the eyes, leading to a need for excessive layback to get the bar back over the mid-foot balance. Using the hips correctly more or less forces you to get under the bar in the second part of the movement, which helps keep the bar going in a straight line.
2. It allows the entire body to contribute to the lift and get stronger as a result.

Earlier SS editions actually taught the 'strict' version of the lift but they moved away from it after studying the technique used by Olympic lifters in the late 60s/early 70s.

>>41341169
Thanks dawg, i will give that landmine press a go next time.

>>41341308
Yeah I'm doing them the way he's currently teaching them. I feel like it's allowing me to lift more than I should be though. Maybe I'm subconsciously turning them into a push press and not realizing it. I feel like I'm locking out my knees and squeezing my quads but I should record a set to see. I also have a habit of creating a moment arm on some reps even when I lean back.

>>41341296
that's the video I meant, yeah.
apparently i forgot the 165kg, very cool!

>>41341340
you can try them the normal way, but this way can feel nice too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCfcGei-NqM

(the guy, Eric Cressey, is an expert on overhead work for athletes)

>>41341375
On ohp, I keep my ass and core squeezed, and create a slight effective lean back by having hips forward.
I don't use it to move the weight though, like Rippetoe teaches.

>>41340298
>>41340300

>tfw get cramp in my glutes when i tense them

>>41341270
I hope you didn't pay for that degree in broscience, m8, because all it's given you is the ability to spout bullshit. Shoulder injuries as a result of pressing are almost unheard of, whereas shoulder injuries from benching are one of the more common in the weight room.

I like doing it I just hate how slowly its progressing.

>>41341470
stretch and strengthen them then

>>41341556
>Shoulder injuries as a result of pressing are almost unheard of
yeah, because almost nobody does them.
the guys that do them (strongman mostly) have very strong upper backs and rotator cuff muscles from all the other shit they do, so they don't get overdeveloped front delts.

also, benching is pretty much the most popular weightroom exercise, so it's no surprise you'd see people with issues from it.

>>41340327

Been trying to go from 135x5 to 140x5 but keep getting stuck at 3-4 reps. I'm not sure what you mean by 2. I tore my rotator cuff a few years ago, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it or if that's just an excuse.

>>41341585
>stretch them
h-how would i go about doing that (no homo)

>>41341687
RC is very important for any shoulder exercise, especially OHP.

>>41341704
look up glute stretches...
some good activation/strengthening exercises would be bodyweight hip thrusts or glute bridges (if you can do 20 or whatever, do them single-legged).

>>41338975
I used alan thrall's video to help me get the form right, wbu lads

>>41339013
Has this guy only benched?

>>41341746
I looked at people who could actually overhead press, and figured out what they all had in common.

ps thrall is shit

>>41341768
>figured out what they all had in common.
steroids?

>>41339031
These reps are too fast

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>>41338975

I can rep about 80% of my bodyweight easily (I weigh 160lbs) but it's too hard on my lower back, so i've switched to seated.

Shame. Repping big weight over your head while standing is the manliest looking lift. OHP is essential for building shoulders, all other isolations such as back, side, and front raises should follow.

>>41341791
there are many roiders with huge shoulders, but only a few who can ohp a ton.
a strong ohp really requires good technique.

>>41340933
Get to 2pl8 and they will fail. The average gym goer will never hold 2 pl8 overhead even if they push press it

>>41340933
this is fucking triggering

>>41339013
>left trap bigger than right
>beyond non existent lats
>no bicep definition, triceps look lacking, delts look underdeveloped
How tf did he get a chest that big with ignoring all the other accessory push muscles

>>41339213
Can't wait to see you in my pt clinic in a couple months after your rtc repair <:^)

>>41339368
We're all natural humans. Not chemically modified potatoes.

>>41339213
klokov press is a snatch press from the receive position of the snatch you cunt.

>>41342636
nah, that's a sots press:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXFGWyNEOuU

this is a klokov press:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLPxwuGUZBY

>>41340375
>What do people think about the push press?
it's a combination exercise.
first you do a half-assed front squat, then you keep the momentum from the front squat to follow up with an overhead press.
it allows you to press more weight than regular OHP and is more prone to bad form and injury, so i would avoid it and do regular OHP instead.

>>41339013
>tricep goes farther out than delts
that's how you know you made it

>>41342146
aha sorry m8 won't happen, genetically superior here.
>mfw I could snatch press 45x8 8 weeks after I started lifting @160 bw
how does it feel to know that you'll never have my genetically determined mobility and side delt strength? I'm 5'11" though if that makes you feel better.
>>41342636
so like a squatting snatch press then?

>>41338975
Overrated, I did it for the whole 9 months I've trained (SS>5/3/1>TM) and worked up to 165x3

Shoulders haven't gotten noticeably bigger and I've just dropped it completely as I've started Sheiko aside from the rare accessory session.

In my opinion it's overrated with little carry over for a power lifter (bench carries over to OHP not the other way around)

Also it's an unnatural movement, humans don't press anything perfectly overhead

>>41338975
> I rarely ever see anyone doing them.

Then stop working out at planet fitness you faggot

If i'm currently at 100lbs, what would be the best routine to center OHP around so it goes up the fastest?

Also OHP is commonly performed by /fit memelord fags who have sub 1000 totals

>>41343343
>OHP is an unnatural movement
>Benching is a natural movement

m8... come on now

>>41338975
Had to stop doing them due to impingement and a labral tear, now I just stick to variations of dumbbell or cable raises pretty much. Works gr8 m8

Absolutely love OHP, my best lift desu. But recently I've been getting really shaky on my way up, I'm not entirely sure why. Does anybody have any idea why? I recently started working a job that I'm constantly standing up, bending over, and squatting down for 8 hours a day 4+ times a week. I'm thinking that maybe I'm stressing my body too much, since before I was hitting 135 no problem and now I'm slightly losing balance on the way up

>>41343343
the whole idea of bodybuilding is unnatural

in my experience it tends not to be what is natural, but what is simple which indicates whether it is good or bad for you. notice how all of the 4 big lifts involve moving the weight in very simple motions

many exercise that involve complex motions are bad for you, when not done with strict form and no ego lifting

>>41340375
It depends on what your goals are. General strength and athleticism, I'd go with push press, but I'd do a few blocks of strict pressing every year. Push pressing drove my strict press more than strict pressing did. My OHP went from 155-195 only push pressing, and has slowly crept to 210 since then, I'm going back into a block of push pressing cuz I gotta get dat 2pl8.

>>41343343
breh, my delts have grown a lot since my OHP has been >1pl8, but that could also be from accessories. I do, however, prioritize OHP over all my other lifts

>>41338975
Do Olympic lifts if you want boulder shoulders fast.

>>41339031
They fucking blow and I feel like a weak piece of shit after doing them but improving in them is rewarding.

I want to be able to press a woman over my head to so my goal is to hit about 150lbs total weight.

>>41345259
You must not be American

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>OHP
>military press
>not The Press

disappointed quite honestly

>>41342878
Ok then when your 37 and your shoulders blow out just tell my secretary you're feeling lucky and I'll give you the ol 4chan discount friendo

Seriously unless you're on gear, your shoulders can't sustain that shit bruv. Our shoulder joint was built to throw things or push something/someone off of us horizontally. I specialize in weight lifters and 90% of my UE patients overworked shoulders through ant/lat raises and OhP

>>41339740
have a you

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>>41346244
>mfw the dishonest press

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>get to 95 lbs
>do a few sessions before deciding to go for 100
>fail
>roll back to 95 next time
>fail them as well

WAKE ME UP INSIDE

>>41340870
>>41340980
There are two components that affect motor unit recruitment. The load which is lifted and the speed of said load. Lifting fast ensures maximum motor unit recruitment. Push press requires significant bar speed in order to lock out if you're using loads higher than your strict press max, which you should.
Bar speed is critical yet overlooked component in strength training. Trying to press as fast as possible at all times should be the standard, but at higher loads the bar is bound to slow down. That's why you need lifts like clean and push press that you can't finish without keeping the bar up to speed, self-regulating lifts.
Also push press forces better form than conventional. You simply don't have the time to hyperextend and arch your back as you would in a conventional ohp.
Push presses and cleans are fucking awesome. Include them in your programming and you'll see results

>>41338975
The built college-looking athletes at my gym do them. Like, only the people who already look big even bother with OHP.

>>41339497
Same. The only other person who does it at the gym is my gym buddy because I make him. All the others use the smith machine seated to do it. fuck that

Mark says it is anatomically impossible to impinge your shoulder on a press.

>>41339013
how do you get a decent chest without getting at least SOME shoulder work fuck

>>41346443
He has outlifted his frame. Look at that front delt. It's pretty huge, the insertion just goes all the way down so it has more room to grow without popping out. It's like a pre-bicep there.

>>41338975
I did 5x5 1pl8 tonight and some old fat Chonese dude had to come over to the racks just to ohp the bar once onto his back like he was gonna squat it only to re rack and leave. was cool I guess but would rather not have that guy at the gym lol

>>41346419
Thanks this sounds like great advice and I'll incorporate these movements into my training

>>41338975
I like doing military press with dumbbells more, just feels better Idk.
That's my favorite lift too.

>>41339013
none of you fucking dyel retards noticed that he retracts his shoulders and this is why they look so small in this pic?
i swear it, this board is full of dyels/idiots/ungodly insecure people

I've found nothing hits my strict OHP harder than behind-the-neck pressing. I've gotten my BTN press to 80kg for 5, and my strict press has just crushed 2pl8 like it's nothing. I recommend it if you have the shoulder mobility for it and it doesn't cause you pain.

>>41339368
You weak hamster, I could press up the whole smith machine the day I walked into the gym

Are you supposed to pull your shoulders back for this exercise?

>>41341643
>people who have worked to get strong are strong so they don't get injured

Shoulder injury rates in olympic lifters and lifters in general prior to the rise in popularity of the bench press were VANISHINGLY rare. At that time, the press was the single most popular exercise in the weight room, and only stopped being popular post-1972.

Also, what the fuck is an 'overdeveloped front delt' in this context? You keep throwing that around, but you've not ever explained what it is. Can you, and can you also please explain WHY the overhead press would cause it, and how?

>>41341793
too fast if he was training for volume, the dude was just trying to see how many he could pump out at 1pl8

some people use this kinda stuff as a reference point if they're ready to try a 1rm or not

>>41342714
sots press is a press from front rack in the deepest position of a front squat you cunt.

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>>41342719
>dip and drive
>half-assed front squat
ok

>>41346419
Literally wat. Press is about developing absolute strength, so bar speed/rate of force development doesn't matter. If you're making a limit attempt, you'll recruit all the motor units available to you even if you're doing it slowly. What you're talking about is quite widely known as the 'dynamic effort' model, but it only works if you can already lift very heavy weights regardless of the speed.

Also, 'forces form better than conventional' is utter nonsense. If you can't do the exercise correctly, you learn to do it correctly. You don't substitute it for an exercise it's easier to cheat with that doesn't have the same benefits. Push press is a great lift if it's used in the correct context, but it is NOT a substitute for the press. At best it's an accessory.

Also2, cleans are great, but they're not what's being discussed here and anyone who actually takes pressing seriously probably does them already.

>>41346554
Glenn why are you still doing this shit?

>>41343415
Press every time you are near a barbell. All the time. Your lift is weak, just lift more.
If you're unplating your other weak exercises and come across a weight of 100lbs or lower, press that sucker for a set. Keep pressing. Press more.

>>41346831
>I've gotten my BTN press to 80kg for 5
mirin hard

Once I started doing daily mobility work, The Press went from my most hated lift to my favorite lift in about a month.

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Took a break for 10 days, was pressing 70kg x2 before it. Now struggling with 65.

>>41346409

Sounds like under recovery

>>41339314
Leverage you dumb fuck

>>41340367
>it takes a while to get to 1pl8
>over 1pl8 in 6 months isn't good

Also you somehow probably wrongly infer that he's only been ohping for 6mth?

>>41346259
>implying I'll even live to be 37
m8 I've been failing uni for 2 years and haven't left my flat/homegym in a week have 0 friends and gf left me 6 months ago, I'm probably going to kill myself next year so might as well show off with that sweet Klokov press lmao

>>41340044
Well I never lifted and I could only do ohp without weights, just the 20kg bar. Getting any progress is not easy for me on ohp. One and half month later and I am on 25kg ohp

>>41347089
Thanks, it's my only good press. My bench is so atrocious some days I consider giving it up entirely and just OHPing and its variants.

>>41341768
The frost wolves will have your head.

how does clean and press compare to straight press, which would be more beneficial to a dyel

>>41339756
Almost unanimously, everyone disagrees with you

>>41346437
>smith machine seated to do it

i-is it bad to do OHP that way?

>>41347702
same here m8

>>41347813
clean food and press it into your mouth would be most beneficial to a dyel desu senpai

>>41347702
This. I can Ohp as much as I can bench. Just thinking of dropping barbell bench entirely and just doing some dumbbell bench for hypertrophy every so often.

>>41348153
probably just not trying desu, average person can bench twice their OHP

>>41347702
That's what I did.
Didn't regret it even for a second.

>>41340015
exactly what I think about when doing OHP

>>41347891
Not "bad". Just not as good as free standing press.
The way you do it means it's not really a big compound movement anymore, and there are lots of better isolations for delts and triceps.

>>41348169
>average person
powerlifters and dyel normies are not really people, anon.