ITT: Stupid Normie Beliefs >I'm fat because I cannot

>>41312828
>I'm a manlet so there's no point lifting

>>41312833
>i just need to save up money to fix my teeth
Sure thing little guy, that'll do it

>>41312828
>I'm fat because I cannot afford to eat healthy.

semi-related story:
>grocery shopping
>getting the usual basic stuff
>eggs, greek yogurt, nuts, spinach, turkey, chicken, avacado, etc
>get in line to check out
>other people in line have tons of chips, crackers, juice, soda, and sweets
>guy working at register looks kinda
>as he's ringing up my stuff he says "it sucks that it costs so much to eat healthy"

My total for my weekly groceries was like $110, I didn't think it was that expensive. But maybe $110 could have gotten me twice the amount of junk food. Idk. It was still nice that cash register bro noticed I wasn't a junkfood normie

>if I worked out I'd look as good as you in 6 months
>I'm mostly muscle under this fat
>i signed up to x, it'll surely help me lose weight

>>41312925
I budget for $20 a day for groceries and holy fuck I eat like a king. And yet here are people I know spending $20 1-3 times a day on takeout.

>>41312828
Honey is literally the best kind of refined sugar.

>>41312925

I've compared the cost of raw chicken breast to the pre-cooked forzen strips, and the raw is at least 1/3 cheaper. Same goes for raw hamburger VS frozen burger patties.

Fat people just use the expensive part as another excuse, what they don't realize is that they can be skinny and still eat the same garbage.....just not as much of it.

>>41313007

Doesn't make it a healthy choice, there is literally no reason to consume something that is basically pure sugar.

>Caffeine pills are bad but a super sugary coffee is fine.

>Fasting will slow your metabolism and make you fat.

>I want to lose weight, but instead of eating right and doing cardio.....I am going to continue to over eat while weight lifting. Then I will quit when I don't see any results after 2 weeks.

>I read on Facebook that drinking X & Y will ignite your metabolism and burn fat (X & Y being anything except for Caffeine, Ephedrine, or Clen)

>creatine is bad for you, it's like steroids
>protein powder is unhealthy
>i need to start running cause I want to lose weight
>i'm not fat, just big boned
>lifting makes girls look like a man
>youre big so you must be strong
>caffeine is bad
>i have no time to workout/cook healthy
>diet sodas are healthy
>fruit juices can be drank without moderation
>you have to spend 2 hours in the gym
>I lost 20 pounds in 3 days this new diet is amazing
>my new "cabbage only" diet is great
>I need to follow this diet for 2 weeks and then Ill go back to old habits and won't gain anything back
>only dogs like bones

>>41313232
Creatine gives you acne and accelerate the hair loss process
Protein powder is unhealthy if you have a shit diet
High intensity cardio is the fastest way to burn fat
Frame size and bone density are a thing
Girls with large shoulders are ugly
Lifting weight makes you better at lifting more weight
I always need to take a shit after a cup of coffee
I don't want to cook when I come back home so I just ask my gf to do it

>>41312828
> If i count macros then ill lose weight

>>41313232

Protein powder is unhealthy anon. Tastes like shit and does nothing. Yea a mix of a sugar tasting, clay-like substance is going to help me get big because protein.

Wrong.

>>41313410
HABBA NO BARRO YOU DUCK WHY DO YOU SELL CLAY TO THOSE DONGOS

>>41313410
How is it unhealthy exactly?

>>41313410
>Yea a mix of a sugar tasting, clay-like substance is going to help me get big because protein.
That's exactly how it is works though.

>>41312828
Wish I had a dog like that

>>41312828
>useless that ur arms are so big , im stronger cus im better at arm wrestling
i literally hear this every week at least once

>>41313578
>people don't realize arm wrestling requires technique

>>41312987
>$20 a day
Jesus I am jelly. I would eat so well...

>>41312987
Can I get a quick rundown on your daily $20 meal budget?

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>>41312846
>>41312846
>tfw 5'9 with bad teeth and going to get braces

STOP BULLYING ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>41313568

>>41312828
>>Muffins are healthy
Noone who isnt your mom or your grandma ever said that

>>41313146
My gf keeps annoying me about the fasting, can someone redpill me on fasting and metabolism? I keep telling her it works. How can i finally convince her?

>>41313578
Even worse, I work at a hotel whose main clientele is construction workers (or people of that nature). We have a shitty fitness facility in the basement and sometimes I show people some shit or give people advice. You would not believe some of the shit I've fucking heard over the past year and a half from these mouth-breathers. God I hate these people so much.

We don't have a barbell, just a really shitty gym. But people think putting the bowflex on maximum resistance makes you fucking superman (it's like 50lbs of resistance). And don't even get me started on the techniques these retards tell each other when using the dumbbells. Ever seen a grown man proclaim how strong he is because he works all day and then fail a 25lb dumbbell bench press? I have. Fat fucks come in and eat a 2000 calories breakfast then do 50 bicep curls at 10lbs and think they are buff.

>>41313641
seconded

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>>41313232
>youre big so you must be strong
>caffeine is bad
Both kind of true tho.

>>41313697
Tfw also work at a hotel who's main clients are rich chads that probably browse /fit/

>Doing 100 squats, 100 pushups, 100 situps and running 10 km everyday will make you a superhero in three years

>>41313697
yup , worst possible kind of humans
full of these people who work at a village and literally think they're more jacked than any bodybuilder on earth
and when they finally admit someone's better looking than them , the obvious answer is steroids

>>41313795
Have you tried it?

>>41313807
It's worse because these mouth-breathers think bodybuilder or even power lifters muscles aren't real because they were created in the gym. Y-know, rather than hauling rebar and 2x4's. I hate these blue collar workers so much.

>>41313649

Literally nothing wrong with 5'9

>>41313146
Synephrine and yohimbe

>>41313007
Only if it's real honey. Most of the shit in America is fake. It's literally corn syrup.

>>41312828
I have never understood "I'm fat because I cannot afford to eat healthy."

nigger water is cheap but you still buy coke, so no, the only reason why you don't eat healthy it's because you are a lazy fuck

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>>41313649
Oh god, When will they learn?

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>not drinking unflavored whey + honey

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>>41312828
>walking around like a human hulk even though you have a skeltal body

>>41313649
Get the invisible kind (the ones that go on the inside not the plastic shit). Two years of looking like a retard isn't worth the $1-2000 difference.

>>41314136
Im a broke nigga, beggars cant be choosers f a m. and I look like a retard as is, it can only get better from here

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>>41313368
>Frame size and bone density are a thing
Right, but every fat person says this. That flab aint big bones, it's fat.
>Girls with large shoulders are ugly
Girls that lift weights look fine, girls that lift weights and take steroids look ugly. And even then I'd bone most of them, but that's a preference kind of thing.
>Lifting weight makes you better at lifting more weight
Which means you're stronger...

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>>41314157
You were warned.
Men over 12 can't pull braces. Not even 10/10s.

>>41312925
>$110 a week
wtf

i spent like $50-60

>>41312987
I could eat like shit for $12-$15 and it would all be fast food, even cheaper if its ramen plus some protein. $20 a day is $140 a week. $140 a week for 52 weeks is $7,280. Around 50% of people make less than 55k a year. If you make 55k a year, this is not hard. but if you are a near minimum wage grunt like I have been it becomes pretty difficult.

In the end, eating healthy is not that expensive, just pointing out that $20/day for one person is not feasible for a lot of people.

again, eating healthy is not expensive.

>mention something about not having sugar while talking with friends
>dude just add honey
>what
>it's not sugar it just has sugar in it it's fine
>what

Is there something behind this because I've never heard this before. To me it's like saying chocolate is fine for the same reason

>>41314262
they also cant pull off mongo teeth

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>>41312828
>>Honey is healthy
Wait, it isn't?

>barbell lifts, in general, are dangerous and bad for you

>>41313584
>>41313578
Arm wrestling is not a good measure of strength. It's a measure of proportions and technical skill (of course strength is required in the high levels but it still boils down to skill).

>>41314350
they think its ok cause it is le natural sugars

>>41313704

wow. that's a lot of volume.

>Working out two days in a row is very bad for your body, you need at least 1 rest day between each workout
>As long as the food is "healthy", you can eat as much as you can possibly manage without gaining weight
>If you work out regularly, you also have to starve yourself
>The only point of working out is to lose weight

>>41313146
>I want to lose weight, but instead of eating right and doing cardio.....I am going to continue to over eat while weight lifting. Then I will quit when I don't see any results after 2 weeks.
Do dudebros actually think that?

>start doing keto
>tell mom about it
>she's really into the idea, probably because of the rapid weight loss I experienced
>share the information I had read about it with her
>mom didn't read any of it and keeps doing stupid shit like eating a bunch of rice and having no clue which foods are good or bad

>>41314136
Not him, but I just got braces today too.
I wanted ceramic but they cost 2000€ more and the dentist said they were more fragile than the steel ones, not really a good idea for fighting sports.

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>>41313410
>does nothing
>tastes like shit
>wont help

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>>41312828
>Don't squat to parallel because it is bad for your knees

>Don't squat

>3x10-15 everything

>creatine = steroids

>eating healthy is expensive

>blueberries or whatever are a superfood my facebook feed said so, so I am going to eat 5 lbs of them a day and get healthy

>women shouldn't lift

>elderly shouldn't lift

>fad diets (that includes you ketofags)

>you don't need that much protein

>alcohol doesn't have calories (literally got told this at the bar by some bitch who was being completely serious and could have lost about 30 lbs)

>carbs are bad

>fat is bad

I really believe 90% of the world doesn't have half a clue about lifting/nutrition, nor the inclination to google it or read a book

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Lets spice the thread with Dumb shit /fit/ ACTUALLY believes despite scientific evidence:

>strength = size
>core isolation is not necessary
>isolation in general is not necessary
>a calorie is a calorie
>vitamins are not important
>micronutrients are not important
>girls like oversized fat legs
>legs are hard to build
>strength is impressive or useful
>girls like 'bearmode'

>>41315976
>true is full body
>true with straight lettuce or some shit

>>41316470
>girls like 'bearmode'
no, but guys do ;)

>>41316470
is his frame garbage?
he looks bad like strong fat skinny man bad

>>41314076
That's why you buy the real shit from a local source.

Pro tip: local honey helps fight allergies.

>>41317003
>Pro tip: local honey helps fight allergies.
dat pollen gainz for superior oxygen absorbtion

>>41316966
Yeah he's got shit genetics and looks like a manlet

nice traps though

>>41317177
>nice traps though
true facts

>>41313055
But doesn't that also depend on where you buy it? I get the big bags of frozen uncooked chicken at Sam's and I honestly feel like I'm getting a better deal than if I bought raw.

>>41313697
I'm a metal sculptor and those kinds of people are a joke. I've had to deal with them when my shop gets shipments in and they can't lift anything and move at a snails pace. We usually move 60% of the materials by the time they get one plate off the delivery truck.

>>41312828
>honey isn't healthy

Honey is very healthy you dumb son'bitch. Natural sugars are good for you in reasonable amounts. It provides energy and a mood boost, there's a reason that as a human your tastebuds are programmed to enjoy it.

What is unhealthy is fatasses that consume it in every meal and drink it down by the can full.

>>41315743

It is pretty much pure sugar with very very very minimal nutritional value.

>>41314350

There was a media buzz awhile ago about the supposed "health benefits" of honey, also it has been used for years with tea as a cure for a sore throat. The "cure" being that the consistency of it coats the throat, which is soothing.

>>41316404
>>alcohol doesn't have calories (literally got told this at the bar by some bitch who was being completely serious and could have lost about 30 lbs)

This is why these bar-stars always end up fat as fuck after 2-3 years of partying.

>>41318428

>Energy & Mood Boost

Yeah, eating FOOD does do that. Got any other "health benefits" of honey?

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>>41314136
Kek no. I had ceramic braces from 18-20 and I rocked those shits. Ironically, I also lost my virginity during this period of time as most girls didn't give a fuck that I had braces and it made a good conversation starter.

>>41312925
Where the fuck do you live that all that costs 110 dollars? The moon?

>>41313410
>because protein
yes, because protein. this has to be bait
do you know how the body creates new cells man?

>>41313681
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26374764
here's a study on fasting, lad. there are other related studies linked on the page I believe

>>41313626
>>41314337
I make around 50k a year, and really I'd prefer to eat good food over say getting a vidya game or the such. I mean I could knock it back to $5-8/day if I really wanted to but I like my food.
>>41313641
>>41313699
Well I'm cutting right now so it's even cheaper but
>breakfast
100g shortcut bacon: $1.30 (recently got for $8/kg so even cheaper)
2 large eggs: $1 (dozen=$5-6 free range. Cheaper for caged)
Spray oil: $0.05 (almost negligible)
25g cheese: $0.20 ($8/kg for a block)

>Lunch
Small coffee from 7/11: $1
250ml almond milk: $1 ($4/L)
30g protein powder: $1.50 ($50/kg)

>dinner
250g lean beef/pork mince: $3-4 ($6.50-8/500g)
100g mushroom: $1 ($10/kg)
100g baby spinach: $2.50 ($25/kg)
40g hot sauce: $0.80 ($4/bottle)

Total is around $15ish dollars and I spend the rest on instant coffee or the such. That's around 1600cals

>>41313146

>Caffeine pills are bad but a super sugary coffee is fine.

This one annoys me to no end. I know a guy drinks about 12-15 cups of tea a day, but someone my one caffeine pill a day is unhealthy.

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>>41312828
>carbs are bad

>fats are bad

>cholesterol is bad

>eating only salads is a healthy sustainable diet

>spot training is real

>you won't lose fat if you don't do cardio

>losing weight is all that matters

>>41312828

>You're lucky you have such a high metabolism.

>Why don't you have some cake? You're so skinny it won't hurt anything.

Bitch one the reason I'm not fat is because cake is on the list of things I don't eat.

>>41318586
Honey is an anti inflammatory
Honey is full of antioxidants
Honey helps break down protein
Honey Helps Break Down Protein
HONEY HELPS BREAK DOWN PROTEIN

>Doing situps burns belly fat

>>41312828
>Literally anything posted on Facebook feed that is in the form of an infographic

>>41312828
>>I'm fat because I cannot afford to eat healthy.
desu I found this to be true when I was abroad in america. fucking veggies and bread was sweetened

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>>41312828
>meat is worse for you than carbs

>>41319985
>Bread
Never gonna make it

>>41316470
>strength ISN'T useful

Nani sore

>>41318331
>feel like I'm getting a better deal
>feel
Run the numbers. You might be right, but it never hurts to check.

>>41312925
>$110 a week
>$15.50 a day
You really suck at budgeting man. You could buy enough chicken for two weeks with $15.

>>41313795
Yeah, but it also makes you lose all your hair.

>>41313704
Cold showers BTFO.

>>41313007
>skin cancer is literally the best form of cancer

>>41320072
two weeks worth of chicken for $15? where the heck are you shopping?

>>41312987
> I'm mostly muscle

Oh my god, this girl I know says this to me all the time when the conversation turns to athletics, and she's so goddamn fat, sjw-type, and brags about doing the elliptical.

She always brags about how strong she is but she lives the most inactive lifestyle and every time she drags her ass to the gym I hear about it, it's maybe once a month tops and she brags for weeks about how fit she is.

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>bruh that's gym muscle, that's useless in the real world
>I would know, I've got functional strength

Fuck you Kyle.

>>41316470
>a calorie is a calorie
If a calorie isn't a calorie, then what is it?

>traps are gay

>>41320282
>chicken thighs $1.99/lb
>1/2 a day
Rice, oatmeal, barley, beans are all extremely cheap. I can easily subsist on less than $20 a week.

>>41312925
you must be Australian

>>41312828
> I'm not going for a run. Runners always have heart problems

>>41312828
"Its agave, its not sugar, its good for you, its natural"
I just walked out of the room

>>41320395
kek

>Fruit sugar is good for you

>>41313410
>just cause its protein doesnt mean itll do what protein does!

>>41314002
Delete this I work construction

>>41314136
I think i'm going to need braces soon, I'm 21 and cute in the face with a literal 3/10 body
pray for me

>>41320644

It's not good for you but it's not bad for you

>>41320023

Carbs aren't a food

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>>41320716
But Crabs are

Funny how one letter makes a difference.

>>41312925
I usually spend like $50 a week dude

>>41313007
don't believe there is such a thing as good refined sugar unless you are athlete/bodybuild using insulin (and even then it is unhealthy).

that said, anything high glycaemic load will replenish glycogen well PWO but might as well have fibre, vitamins etc.

>>41319831
>250ml almond milk: $1 ($4/L)
what the fuck

In Canada it's like 4 bucks for 1.89L

Whole Foods?

>>41321284
Australian. Coles has it for $2.50/L but I buy from my local IGA so it's a little dearer (about 3.50ish just rounded up)

>>41320558
:|

>>41321362
Holy shit, I've heard that Canadian food is expensive but it's not like I know better, but what the fuck is going on there

>spend entire childhood fat
>P.E classes mandatory until the end of year 8 schooling
>"""health and fitness""" class mandatory in year 9 that is 100% theory related to human health and development
>a fucking 4chan post taught me about the concept of calories in/calories out

I fully believe the obesity crisis is due partially to how fucking useless education is when it comes to the concept of weight loss

for fuck's sake, my school had a 1 year compulsory class that teaches you about food groups, sometimes foods and that an hour of exercise a day is the only way to lose weight

no wonder tumblrites abhor the idea of weight loss so fucking much

after I understood the idea i lost 10kg in 5 months still eating shit food almost daily

>>41321397
I had a PE teacher tell me "we can't make you run faster or jump higher" as if people are limited by "natural limits", and then went into some shit about excessive being important for longevity, I guess

I think of the kids I went to school with, especially the ones that said they wanted to be teachers, and realize that when I have kids I better be really fucking smart and involved so the bullshit programming doesn't stick

>>41321396
It's always been this way anon. We're fucked on prices. Our base wages and such are higher but cost of living is expensive as fuck in Australia. Like chicken breast is $10/kg at it's cheapest ($9 if you're lucky)

Don't even get me started on price of rent vs Murcia

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>>41313795
>not doing 1000 situps pushups and pullups a day to be a big guy

>>41321428
I dunno how accurate this is, but I remember one of those "did you know?" macros going around years ago that stated it's cheaper to fly to America and buy Photoshop than buy it as an Australian

>>41321422
The run faster and jump higher thing is true to a point, it's not impossible but even Rip says explosiveness can only really be increased by about 20%, whereas muscular strength can quite easily be increased by 500% if not more over the course of a few years.

>t. failed a 40kg squat my first week training and recently did 190kg for a single

Doesn't change that we grow up thinking these people are gurus on the topic of health and fitness and they themselves don't understand fundamental concepts you can learn in 5 minutes

come to think of it the teacher i had for that health and fitness class was a 250lb middle aged woman

>>41321469
That wouldn't surprise me. A flight to murica is about $800 return. I'm not sure what photoshop costs though.

>>41321516
>The run faster and jump higher thing is true to a point
When I was in the service I had to run 6 minute miles x 5, and it's not like that came "naturally" to me. What burns my ass is the notion of limiting oneself to what's "natural" aka not trying and resigning oneself to failure

Honestly, learning things like protein and carbs = 4 calories each, and fat = 9 calories, and the types of fat and carbs and amino acids blew my fucking mind. It's like the comparison made in The Big Short about working on Wall Street, to paraphrase
> They want you to think they're the only ones that can do it so you don't realize how simple it can be

Good for you on the progress, btw

>>41316323
Does keto make you grouchy/groggy initially or is that just a meme?

>>41320323
Arm wrestle the fucker and shut him up for good

>>41313681

Commit to the fast and lose weight. That'll show her.

>>41320140
my hair is fucked anyway

>>41320708

>sugar isn't bad for you

define bad for you

>>41319929

>breaks down protein

Is that a g-good thing or a bad thing...

>>41316383
>women

>>41313649
are you sure you're not just a child.

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>>41316404
>carbs are bad
>fat is bad

kek, reminds me of this

>>41321769
Fuck off idiot. If you need a definition you're not ready for this convo.

>>41322994

Check your autism at the door, he was asking for your personal definition of "bad for you", not the literal meaning.

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>>41319948
I fucking hate this one. There's always some middle-aged chubster working the ab machine to death.

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>you lose weight by eating more

>fasting will make your fat double

>if you don't eat your body will hold on to your fat

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>you don't have to bring the bar to your chest
>be careful lifting without a belt, you can hurt your back (it was less than 2 plates)
>I can't X because I have an injury

>>41319831
>protein powder 50$/kg

What the actual fuck
Is that the typical price in America? You can get a 2.5kg bag in myProtein with less than that money.

>>41312828
>>Muffins are healthy
kek I had a roommate who would eat muffins every fucking morning for breakfast. He was like 140 and could never understand why he never gained any weight.

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>you're losing too much weight, I'm worried about you

>I'm 5'7 150lbs and skinny fat

>>41313007
honey almost has a 1:1 ratio of glucose and its not any better than sugar...there about the same and plus most honey in america is not "honey" its water,corn syrup,sucrose,and some flower oils. America has no set percent of what actual honey has to be in the jar you buy. In europe the honey in a jar has to contain 60% or more honey and cannot contain 5% of sucrose

>>41312925
Wtf, I spend like 100 a month man.

>>41312828
>lifting gets you girls
>lifting cures autism
>lifting is enough to compensate for subhuman HFF

>>41320023
Depending on carbs it is true.
Sugars are worse than animal protein.

>>41320708
It is bad for you if consumed in a smoothie or juice form.

Honey IS healthy. You can eat it and still lose weight.

>>41323300
Fasting is shit.

>>41313368
>Creatine gives you acne
>Had shitty skin
>Get into lifting and start using creatine
>Skin has never been better
?

>>41323300

Then when you explain basic physics to them and still cannot comprehend it.

>You cannot create something out of nothing (calorie deficit)

>>41324937

You can eat anything and still lose weight, you just can't go into a calorie surplus. Why is this so difficult to understand?

>>41314319
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>>41320072
>>41320558
>>41321079
>>41324782

Chicago. Pretty normal here.
Do you all live in a cabin in the woods or something?

>>41324987
Did you just get older?
Not trying to be a smart arse, genuinely curious.

>>41323608
No, he smells like an aussie. 2lbs/1kg here is usually ~20$

>>41324873
The joke here is that it's a lie

Cheese is healthy.

>>41312828
>stress makes me fat

>i only eat lettuce and i'm still fat
>pizza is not bad once every now and then :^)

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>>41313232

>>41320509
My nigga, I eat for $20 a week, and I can bulk on that. Rice beans, bacon eggs advocados and tuna and bananas and nuts are all I eat pretty much

>>41312828
>i dont need to work out

you do, your mind is on child like state without lifting weights

>>41323608
Bought 11 pounds of whey concentrate for $80 CAD from Canadian protien. 24g of protein per each 30g(1 scoop). Pretty good deal desu

>>41312828
Honey is healthy. It's antibacterial naturally. I'm using it to help heal a burn on my arm atm, it's healing better than with typical ointment and has better viscosity.

>>41313681
Fasting is bad only when you don't eat enough calories, then your body will take away from muscle and your bmr will drop

>>41313704
Caffeine is actually shown to be beneficial to body and mind. Its only bad when you're downing like 5 cups a day; in which case even vitamins are bad in high enough doses

>You shouldn't be eating so much fatty stuff if you're trying to lose weight

>>41326084

Theres no evidence that it has antimicrobial properties when it's ingested though.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/medicinal-uses-of-honey

>>41320323
Tbh lifting things up and down isn't showing you how to use your body. Same reason a body builder won't necessarily win vs. Someone who's actually trained to fight. Muscle memory is very much a thing and not all muscle fibers are the same

>>41323300
Your body will hold into fat if you don't eat enough, it's a survival mechanism - humans require some fat to function properly. Your body will start to eat other things like organs muscle and hair if you don't eat enough. And Yes, I've personally experienced this

>>41320262
well if you're gonna get cancer, thats the one you want lol

>>41323774
I'm American and all you have to do is read the ingredients label they're required to have. I shop at trader Joe's and all their honey is real. Orange blossom and whipped are muh fav

>>41312828

>Fruit juice is healthy for you.

>>41326013
Your mind is quite childlike if you think lifting things up and down is THE way to get fit

>>41326255
>links web md
You realize that's a giant living meme right?

>>41325539
No he stayed the same age throughout his lifting career smfh

>>41325539
Of course I got older anon, I'm not a lobster bro.
But my point was I haven't noticed any of those side effects and it's been a year.
Granted my liver is probably shutting down as we speak but I haven't noticed anything yet.

>>41313232
>you have to spend 2 hours in the gym
I've always done very minimalistic lifting routines and aside from my first couple of weeks on SS and the light day on TM, I've never managed to finish a gym session in less than an hour. Usually around 1.5 hours. Including the walking time to and from the gym and showering at home or in the gym and it easily adds up to over 2 hours of my day spent on lifting. Add the fact that you need to focus on your protein intake, 6-9 hours of sleep and it'd be better if you focus on your overall food intake and you've spent most of your free time on your lifting hobby. Just sayin' It does take time and dedication.

>>41313383
Yes you do but only if
>(grams of protein)*4+(grams of carbs)*4+(grams of fat)*9+(grams of alcohol)*7<TDEE

>>41312828
>you can fuck up your metabolism and enter "starvation mode" if you undereat too long

people that drink coffee all fucking day and say "dont drink those energy drinks they will make ur heart explode!!!!1"

Here's one that as a fat fuck trying to build muscle, makes me question how smart some people are

>fat guys will fuck you up look how big they are

>>41326878
Assuming he's talking about out of shape normies, you don't need to lift to lose weight. Just HIIT for 15 minutes, no gym membership, and eat at a deficit.

>>41312828
I had a bloody fight with my now ex few weeks ago
>send her a pic of a colorful paleo meal im having
>"you know you shouldn't really fry your chicken in a pan, you should cook it, its unhealthy this way"
>"only difference is oil used, and i use bare minumum and count it in my macros every time"
>"uhg all the guys heavily into sports on facebook i know always post cooked chicken, you think that is a coincidence ???"
>"i think they know lack shit about nutrition and just eat what they think is healthy"
>"you're too stupid and stubborn to realize you are wrong. Its like you live in your own world"

Every time i tried to explain macros to her she would fall asleep, and then proceed to tell me "you should never eat after 19:00, all food you eat after that turns straight to fat"

God im happy to be single again

>>41312828
>Not everyone will lose weight on a calorie deficit

This one can be true. My gf has eaten so little for so long, and sometimes goes a whole day only drinking a couple glasses of juice or water, and she doesn't lose weight because of how much her body's metabolism slowed down as a result of the constant lack of calories.

>>41327317
>bloody fight
>disagreement about how to cook chicken

lad

>>41327356
no. shes eating/drinking other shit that youre not aware of. starvation mode is a myth

>>41327381
I live with her and I see what she eats because we're together 24/7

>>41327405
neither of you leave the house? neither of you work? does she come with you to the gym aswell? either shes eating/drinking shit that youre not accounting for having many calories, like starbucks or youre lying about never being apart or your delusional

>>41319075
bitch legit looks like poison ivy

>>41327359
>never had a gf that gets irrationally angry over meaningless shit
>did you even date pretty girls?

>>41327405
things that contain extreme amount of fattening potential

1. any form of nuts
2. any form of (sweet) fruits
3. any form of carbs/starch

chances are her diet is 99% consisting of the above 3 things, like 99% of all females

be honest here, you KNOW she eats pure shit.

also one day of fasting doesn't matter hone she sneaks into burger king first chance and downs 3 XL meals when you are at work or at the gym or whatever

>>41327242
Oh, yeah. That's true of course.

>>41321432
>for you

>>41326367
If you eat at an unsustainable deficit. These are all used as excuses to never eat at any deficit. You can lose muscle if your lifting is too high volume and too often, but clearly that means you should never in your life lift weights.

>>41320372
a calorie, but I'll tell you what it isn't, a calorie.

>be me
>almost a year of lifting
>some progress but I've still got a long way
>at a bar with normie friends
>ask me about advice for training at home, cause gyms are expensive around here
>tell them about basic calisthenics, just pullps, chinups, pushups and dips
>lay out a simple routine that only requires a pullup bar and eventually rings or a dip station
>couple of weeks later think about asking one of them up about it
>"Oh, yeah, I haven't started yet. But I'll probably get on it pretty soon"
>later find out the other guys never started either
>that was in February
>none of them have started yet

I'm never going to exert any effort again when normies ask me for advice.

>>41325818
no food is bad once in a while. Unless you are competing there is no point in avoiding it as a treat.

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>>41320620

Hoo boy do i have a story for you anon.
>be me 18 yr old beta male
>live with mom because no stable job and siblings need a babysitter
>discover /fit/, get fucking hooked
>thisshitsgreat.jpg
>start managing calories, learning proper form, planning workouts, etc
>mom learns about it, instantly supports the idea
>"hey anon-dear i bought some protein for you"
>"thanks mom"
>"i also bought agave extract because i learned its "healthy" from doctor oz and some apple cider vinegar to help "boost" your metabolism
>wat.jpg

I love my mom anon, she supports the idea of me getting fit and even understands how supplements and preotein/creatine works yet she still beleives every health article she sees. How does this happen?

>>41328155
cider vinegar non-memeingly is good for you

>>41328155
I have a feeling it's just a thing with older people who don't understand how much trash actually gets printed these days, so everything they read in a magazine or see on TV, they think it's legit, but if you pull anything from the internet, they're not going to believe any of it.

In any case, don't be a smartass cunt. Be nice to your mother.

>>41328155
I'd fuck your mom

>>41327733
Nigga no apples? Tha fuck son?

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>>41328183
That was a year ago anon and of course i wouldnt be an asshole to my own mother, but it does bother me that after she discovered social media and all of its clickbait shes become a tinfoil hat person who beleives that our history came from mars and that music always means something played backwards or that celebrities intentionally try amd kill each other, its a bit saddening to me anon

>>41328155
Apple cider vinegar is the shit dude

>>41328170
>>41328455

In what way does cider vinegar help? Genuinely curious

>>41312925
>110 dollars

You're either buying a fuckton of food or you're shopping at whole foods

>>41328633
lowers blood sugar, lowers cholesterol, makes you feel full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20068289
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9630389
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16034360
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16015276
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16321601
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16611381

>"100 curls a day are gonna make me fuckin huge bro"

>>41323427
>belts are for safety
>knee wraps are for safety
>elbow wraps are for safety
>gloves are for safety

>>41326310
It was in reference to doing strongman

>>41314080
Problem probably is they want the super tasty stuff and can't use spices to archive this so they are dependent on ready made foods I am baffled Everytime I see an article that states how bland diet aka normal food is also eating less of whatever crap they apparently can afford even though it's so expensive I can and have eaten 3 days whilst spending less then they did on lunch

>>41327381
Lad, that's not true. You obviously haven't done any research on the subject and are spouting nonsense you've heard other anons say. Here, I'll save you the trouble of finding studies
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24958452
both explaining how higher carb intake = less weight lost
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18198305
shows that high calorie restriction results in a quicker loss of resting metabolic rate

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As a natty guy who wants to hop on a cycle, this is what normies think:

>STEROIDS are some type of hardcore drug and people can become junkies
>STEROIDS are bad for you *sips birth control pill*
>STEROIDS make you a bad person, a fraud.
>If you take STEROIDS you have a low self-esteem.
>If you take STEROIDS you will turn into big hulking behemoth overnight
>STEROIDS are a crime against humanity.
>*general obliviousness to steroid use among instagram fitness models*

>>41327359
>>41327532
He just means its barely even a fight man

>>41329557
>and people can become junkies
this is true though, are you retarded?

>>41329557
>If you take STEROIDS you will turn into big hulking behemoth overnight
afaik this one is kinda true

>>41312925

Eating healthy is expensive if you have no idea how to shop or cook.

>>41312828

>I used to be super fit when I was in high school/played football/swam but then (bullshit) happened and I can't work out now

>I'd be in shape but I just like good food too much!
>gets McDonalds for the 3rd time this week

>>41312828

>pretty much 99% of the time starvation mode is mentioned

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>>41312828

>I don't have to watch my diet if I exercise!

>I don't have to exercise if I watch my diet!

>does neither

>>41313704

Man if you guys thought the movie was grisly the book makes it look like a straight to DVD Disney sequel.

>>41313795
WAAAAN PAAAAAANCH

>>41314002
>>41320679

So do I and that mentality is still dumb. My current site foreman shits all over one of our electricians for having 'air muscle.' Dude can still outlift him. It's not like the strength you get counts for double if you get it on the job.

>>41330597
You must be one of those "Roiding for this" people

>>41326000
>nuts are all I eat pretty much

yeah i bet you do faggot

>>41312828
>You can get type 2 diabetes even if you eat healthy and are physically active because if it's in your genes.

>>41312925

My wife and I are both marathoners, have to eat a LOT just to not lose too much weight when in season, and our weekly is below 100. Granted we are super thoughtful with budgeting, we meal prep a lot, and we don't buy organic or whatever. But still, 110 for one person is a TON.

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>>41312828
Real natty normie belief:

>I can get shredded just following this fraud's (read: steroid user) routine.
>*does six day bro split*

A lot of you imbeciles on here fall for this.

>>41314110
>adding sugar to your purposefully unsweetened powder
>trying to make something that will taste gross anyway taste better instead of just enduring it for one glass

>>41316470
>a calorie is not a calorie

It is though. Weight is energy in energy out. Where it becomes complicated is truly understanding how much energy one puts out. The way ones habits effect their insulin and bloodsugar can create a big difference in how much energy they truly put out.

>>41312828
>I'm fat because I cannot afford to eat healthy.

Ackchually there is a direct link between poverty and obesity. Shit food is cheaper, you know.

>>41321397
They push the "exercise and """healthy foods"""" meme because they need you to keep consuming. Buy a gym membership, buy workout clothes, buy a FitBit, buy dumbbells, buy resistance bands, buy kettlebells, buy this supplement, buy protein powder, buy these special $200 running shoes, buy compression shirts, pay for a personal trainer. And don't forget to spend more on these healthy organic non-GMO foods, goyim.

>>41316470
Nobody thinks that girls like fat legs.

Strength is impressive, and useful. It's impressive to bench 405, and when you're doing the manual labour of 2-3 people by yourself, it's useful.

>>41332352
Do you even know what a calorie is? Its how much heat energy a food burns when lit on fire. What the fuck does that have anything to do with how the body digests food?

Calories have fuck all to do with body composition. Its all about nutrient content. Dumb niggers.

>>41332395
Your body will release insulin in response to receiving food. The amount of insulin your body is conditioned to dispense (depending on your eating habits) will determine whether the energy from your food is burned or stored.

>>41332377

Shit junk food is cheaper than shit healthy food, sure. If you learn how to shop and cook it's the most economical to eat healthy. Compare the cost of canned black beans to dry bulk black beans, for example. You can eat very clean with bulk priced commodity-tier foods and not spend $12 on a GMO-free cruelty-free artisan grown pineapple from Whole Foods or whatever the fuck.

>>41332076
>implying there's anything wrong with the superior routine, a brosplit

>>41316470
but anon, oversized legs in dress pants objectively look hot as fuck

>>41312828
Some basic ass gym bro beliefs that people in my school believe in

>i have a fast metabolism thats why i cant gain weight, id have to eat a ton of food

>healthy food makes you loose weight, not calorie counting

>i dont squat

>i benched a plate for 10!

>how much can you dumbbell shoulder press?

>no dude, jeff seid is not roiding

>lmao leg day bruh!

>girls dont give a shit about legs u gay fuck

>im gonna hit chest and arms 4x this week

>protein shakes are better than food

>creatine is gonna make you bloated and shit, you also loose ur muscles when u come off it

>how much can you leg press? i did 4 plates dude

>>41332684
Is there something wrong with dumbbell shoulder press? Actual, honest question.

>>41332717
they dont do standing ohp ever so its just funny how they think a 45lbs db shoulder press is better than repping out 165lbs ohp

i personally think ohp is far better than db shoulder press but to be fair i do both.

>>41332377
Maybe they wouldn't be poverty stricken if they fucking ate less.

>>41313383
Are you actually fucking retarded?

>>41320782
But Barc isnt

>>41312828
Fucking this, I cannot for the life of me convince my friends that honey is not healthy even showing them the nutritional profile. Normies think anything that's natural has some special health qualities

>>41313146
My mom drinks Apple Cider Vinegar and swears by it, even though I've been tracking her calories and helping her through a weight loss routine. IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING. IF YOU HATE IT STOP DRINKING IT.

>>41316470
Literally no one here believes any of this

>>41313368
In his defense, if don't have the genetics to go bald I don't think creatine is going to do anything to you

>>41333560
apple cider vinegar is good for voice actors and that's it

>>41333787
It's also great for your hair

>>41331545
kek

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>>41329557
Now realizing it there is so much fucking hypocrisy when it comes to steroids use. Ive never smoked or drank before in my entire life but if I would choose do something it would be steroids. I find it fucking hilarious that people that have done ecstasy, coke, drink to they black out, or drink till they lower their standards and fuck randoms or beat the shit out of people because of alcohol have the audacity to judge others. Most people I know in uni have done drugs because of "muh music festival" or "muh edm"

GG people are fucking stupid. I'll probably cycle after 5 or 6 years of natty.

>>41334391
Yh mate. I tried discussing with my friends who all frequently use drugs(like once ervery 2 months or so) 4 individual people said 'oh noo don't do that', health blablabla, you're big already blabla

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>>41312828
> Jews are good.

>>41313681
Fasting for multiple days in a row may lower metabolism, but a day or 2 won't do shit.
Also holocaust victims seemed to lose weight just fine.

>>41316470
Muscle fiber cross-sectional area is the #1 determinant of force production capacity, especially when comparing trained people.

>>41312828
Most of these arnt normie beliefs. I think youre just a faggot OP

>>41313146
Fasting does slow your metabolism

>>41324875
>It is bad for you if consumed in a smoothie
What's wrong with having your blender chew your food for you? Assuming no added sugar, and assuming you aren't sucking down a gallon of smoothie in 5 minutes, how is it different from just eating fruit and drinking milk?

>>41333333
◇

>>41312828
>juice is healthy
>hillary lost because of racism and not because she's a criminal

>>41332018
The only people that say that are older people.

>>41312925
I love this feel nigga.
Looking at normies groceries always makes me feel so much better that I am not a piece of shit

>>41312987
kek.
Via meal prep I spend roughly $10/day on food...and thats when Im bulking too.
plan out your spending better

>>41328001
do you still have that routine anon?

>>>>41312925
Ausfag here, this guy must be too. $110 would be about right for 7 days worth of breakfast lunch and dins. Thinking about it is actually quite a low amount. Then again I am very wealthy by my own making.

>>41313072

>no reason to consume something that is basically pure sugar

If you eat local honey it helps with allergies desu
it also makes peanut butter and tea more palatable

>>41314112

I honestly do this because sometimes I'm just feeling it.
If you wanna try me then come get some mother fucker.

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>>41332308
>one glass
i do pic relate which ends up being 2-3 glasses and down that shit down in like 5min

>>41335066

>tfw no blonder

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>>41335078
literally 40-60 for a decent blender of amazon, and same if not cheaper in store. apply urself nigga

>It is fine to eat fruits on keto

>bananas are much better than chocolate

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>>41335078
>Tfw I bought a power blender solely because of rich panini memes

>>41320072
You're fucked, you have no idea how lucky you are food is that cheap amerifat

>>41320282
http://waynewalkermeatdelivery.co.uk

>>41320323
its more that you are training the muscle but not how to use it. most gymfags that are yuge wouldn't know how to use it in different situations like a fight, it doesn't train speed or coordination.
t.long time martialartsfag

>>41316404
Fuck you, week three of Keto. I feel fine, just eat your regular maintenance or cutting calorie amount in mostly protein and fat calories.
Also hit the 50 G of carbs a day. Every carb is precious at the end of the day. 200 calories!

>>41315976
>The only point of working out is to lose weight
reeee, why does my mum ask me why im eating so much if i go to the gym?

>>41332377
eat less shit food then

>>41312828
>energy drinks are dangerous
Pretty fucking ironic when it comes from people who drink coffee non-stop or fatties who chug at least a can of beer every day

>>41327733
> any form of (sweet) fruits
Nigger please, apples, oranges and peaches are 50 kcal per 100g

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>>41312828
>Honey is healthy
wtf thats bee syrup

>>41326878
sure it does need dedication which is why you have to love it or you will drop it sooner or later. but anybody who doesnt eat like a pig can be skinny, not everyone can be shredded or strong though.

>>41328001
why normies fail in 3min

https://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_keep_your_goals_to_yourself

>>41321080
you know protein has a high insulinogenic effect too, r-right?

>>41327381
YOUR an idiot.

>>41312828
>I'm fat because I cannot afford to eat healthy.
>>Not everyone will lose weight on a calorie deficit
This is actually true.

>>41336955

Holy shit, always thought the reverse was true. Thanks anon.

>>41337600
tell me how is the second one even remotely true?

>>41337751
I eat around 500 calories a day, mostly starch and wheat based foods, gaining fat from it, and losing muscle.

>>41312925

>it sucks that it costs so much to eat healthy

it literally doesn't

>>41337787
so you are losing weight ?

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>>41320323
This is me and I only do calisthenics and regular exercise

>>41337814
Right now, gaining weight.

>>41312925
Bro you should get a Costco membership. $110 would have me and my wife both eating 3 meals a day at home for a week. Get that big ass bag of frozen chicken breasts for cheap. Also Aldi has avocados for cheap as fuck

>>41337842
report to scientist how you are going against the laws of thermodynamics and make sick money senpai

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>>41337787
>around
Okay, so are you actually tracking your calories? Download my fitness pal track and track your calories.
Also, post what you ate today.

>>41338191
Yeah, I track it, but not every day's the same, that's again problem with this:
>I cannot afford to eat healthy.

Today I ate a half plate of stew, a burger (meat only) and one jaffa cake.

>>41338286
Well then you're counting wrong, or you're a magical girl and need to do this
>>41338129
Post your calories tracked, and height/weight/sex

>>41338311
>Well then you're counting wrong, or you're a magical girl and need to do this
What do you recommend I should do?

>>41313368
>always need to take a shit after a cup of coffee

I feel sorry for you lot with the digestive system of an infant

>>41313383
Nigga just count higher

>>41313807
>Yeah I work manual labour

I'm sure your bosses are giving you a progressive workout routine when they see you've mastered lmao1pallet

>>41313655
Please stop posting these sassy dogs

>>41338191
I dont know how people can you myfitness pal some of there nutrition facts are skewed as fuck.

Just have a notebook and write down what you ate and get the info from the nutrition labels. Oh dont remember what the label was? Take a picture. Plus youll end up remembering most of your staple foods like almonds, milk, eggs, whey etc.

>>41312828
nothing wrong with honey and muffins.

>>41313795
But it's good if you want to join SOF

>>41321586
not if you watch your electrolyte intake

>>41325109
>Chicago. Pretty normal here.
that's fucking impressive mate, I live in Norway and yet you pay more than twice as much for groceries than me. You must be buying some high quality stuff, live in one of Norway bigggest cities

>>41320372
well it's true that you can ballpark calories per grams of fat, sugar, protein but everything gets motabolized differently so there really are differences in in the amount of nutrition you get out of everything despite being the same "type". glycemic index, for example.

>>41320704
dude they have those invisible ones now it's not even a big deal anymore.

>>41326000
this bro knows what's up. the only expensive thing is avocados and they're so good for your it's worth the price.

>>41328001
bro still help your friends. just don't be surprised if they don't take your advice. tell them what's up and text them a week later and ask how it's going.

>>41337787
Do you know what a calorie is

>>41332395
you refuted nothing, and instead talked about a different issue: nutriontional composition. We know that a calorie is not a protein, but you take in calories from either macronutritient.

talking about how the effect calorie intake changes when you use extreme diets or eat in a way that's fucked up is retarded. It's a red herring that confuses people about a usefull heuristic. No-one chugs a gallon of olive oil in their day to day lives

>>41324866
you're a vegitarian for the health benefits?

>>41332379
This isn't being pushed by a greedy capitalist, the misinformation is being pushed by political ideologues. Political ideologues spreading misinformation and demozing fitness culture is more than a century old. This actually one of the things the nazis were resented for (by post modernist and other ilks of marxist with a culturak focus).

Here a typical anti-sport narrative
https://www.versobooks.com/books/1104-barbaric-sport

Everyone at college is a bunch of fags, the kind that believes, praises, and sucks the dick of the PT/ other gym fags
>"Full body workout everyday?"
>"You don't use protein powder?"
>"Less tha one and a half hours?"
>"Yesterday after an arm workout my biceps were fucking bloated, but they came back to normal after a while"
>"Nah man, that gym is small, its shit" *Goes to commercial shit gym with no microplates*

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>>41338407
Buy a food scale and weigh out what you eat. And use my fitness pal and scan the barcode on your food. Make sure the label and mfp match though, i've seen some things 100 calories or so off. If you can't find it on mfp, then use the manual mode and keep track.