Anyone else here a vegetarian who hates most vegans? They are

>>41301665
I hate vegans too. Vegetarians I guess will be permitted because the enemy of my enemy and such.

genuine question, if you've gone vegetarian for ethical reasons; then why wouldn't you go vegan.

i can understand meat eaters for being apathetic and vegans for their morals, but vegetarianism just seems like a weird riding of the fence where you kinda care.

>>41301691
>Vegans are my enemy
What
Why
Who hurt you anon?

vegetarianism is a amazing diet if you do it correctly, veganism is just fart smelling

>>41301742
Vegans. They are cancer to humanity. Mostly because of their evangelist tendencies. You must fight evangelism likewise.

>>41301709
i wonder this too

for the record vegans piss me off a lot of the time on account of many of them being insufferable and arrogant

>>41301709
How does milking a cow or taking a chicken's egg hurt it? They make more than they ever need and in fact a cow will fucking rupture if you don't milk it. If you want to be an "ethical" vegetarian just buy milk and eggs from free range or organic or whateverthefuck animals.

>>41301777
God trips prove.

>>41301782
Because you don't own them. You stole their bodily goods for your own twisted needs. FUCKING disgusting vegetarian fence sitters.

>>41301691
>vegans are the enemy

Yeah fuck those people who don't consume animal products. What are they plotting against us, with their environmentally friendly practices?

I eat a ton of meat and I don't see the issue with having a vegan diet. You people just hate the stereotype of the militant vegan. We all know at least one, but there are plenty of vegans out there who don't fit that mold. If you are judging a diet based on a minority of people who follow it, then you are a retard.

>>41301802
Fuck of vegan cuck.

>>41301709
If I have to have a shitty 9-5 and live in a tiny apartment, then it's only fair that animals have to do the same

>>41301795
Kek. This gotta be a troll.

>>41301782

To answer your questions, "free range" and "organic" mean next to nothing. Almost zero dairy cows, even grass fed organic, live what could be reasonably considered a decent life. No cow is living the soft life depicted in the picturesque drawing on the carton. They all pretty much live in different shades of Hollywood concentration camps (with non organic being pure hell and ogranic being hell lite), then they typically die if exhaustion after only 1/4th their normal life spame and collapse, only to be sold for meat (this is illegal but it still happens regularly).

>>41301795

This is why people hate Vegans. Just give a reasoned and informing argument without being a prick.

I'm a vegan and I don't associate with any other vegans because they're almost universally libtard nu make cucks or blue haired feminazi. I'm a concealed carrying European separatist who wants a global eugenics program. We don't see eye to eye on anything.

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>>41301709
OP here, it's mostly for environmental and health reasons

>>41301795
Your inability to control your emotions in a rational manner is probably from a lack of essential amino acids in your diet depriving your brain of some upper level activity.

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>>41301813
Mfw someone attacked him for me.
>We are many and we are one
>Fear us vegans

>>41301871
You're an idiot. Organic cows (by the u.s. certified program) must have open access to pasture 365 days of the year.

>>41301909
>organic cows

Wet water

>>41301871
>>41301909
Oh and they don't die of exhaustion they mostly get culled while healthy because they won't get bred through 2 or 3 ovulation cycles. A healthy cull nets the farmer a marginal return on his investment instead of paying the tallow truck to pick up a dead cow.

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>Tfw you have 3 sisters and 1 of them is a vegetarian and the other 2 are vegan.

Where did my parents go wrong peeps?

>>41301941
Having you.

>>41301941
Your sister are high functioning retards. Probably in the Forrest Gump range of iq

Well if u wanna go vegetarian cause u like animals might as well go vegan

Just research how they milk cows till they bleed, cows that are solely raised to be milked their entire life instead of once a month.

same goes for eggs

not that i care tho

>>41301909
The regulation requires outdoor access. It does not require access to "pasture" in the sense of a beautiful green field with wide open spaces. Many organic cows are still heavily confined and cramped. Pretty much any milk from a major producer, organic or not, will be restricting space. If they don't, their competitors will undersell them. I'm a free market champion. When you introduce an animal as your commodity, their well being will always come into play when facing competition. That's just how the market works. I can choose not to support that product.

Also, this ignores all personal health considerations. I fell like I'm better off just going with soy or nut milk, health wise.

>>41301871
as a guy who's run his own company in the scottish dairy industry for 4 years, i can tell you that that's simply not true.

mistreatment does happen here but if you want to buy from farms with well treated cows then there is no shortage of those around. problem is that the mistreated ones advertise themselves as grass fed, organic or whatever and sullies the good name of the farms who actually do care about their animals.

>>41302008
How does the same go for eggs?

I doubt it.

>>41302033
doesn't soy give you bitch tits? nut milk sounds fucking nice tho

>>41302034

There are local farms that I've been to that have good conditions. However, their milk isn't in any major stores.

Again, when an animal is your commodity, the companies cutting the most corners and affording the animal the cheapest living standards will have the lowest cost product. They will win major supply chain contracts and they will end up in stores. It's a race to the bottom with animals' livelihood in the balance.

I applaud farmers that treat the animals will some dignity, but I still choose not to partake because of all the effort required to peer behind the curtain. Also, health reasons -- both grand fatherd died of heart attack so I avoid animal fats.

>>41301709

Vegetarian of over 15 years here.
I would go vegan if it was easy for me to stay in as good shape and health in a convenient way. Until then I just try to minimize my impact with my purchasing choices.

>>41302082

There have been some case studies of some developing children developing gyno after megadosing soy during puberty

I mostly drink Silk's new Nut Milk + Protein drink. It has as much protein (8g/cup ) as real milk and it taste good with my cereal.

This is coming from a former milk afficionado. Growing up I would drink half a gallon a day

Was going to post a thread for vegetarians, but nice to see one already going.

Do you guys have some good vegetarian recipes for bulking?

I'm an omnivore who tries to eat as much plant based as possible , but
>Vegetarians
People who don't eat flesh based on totally respectable health, ethical, environmental and/or philosophical reasons.
>Vegans
Fucking fanatics and lunatics who spit pseudoscience, they literally don't eat honey and some of them don't eat products that used yeast such as bread.

>>41302008
>Not having chickens in your backyard
Stay cucked by the egg industry

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>>41301665
If you're vegan you should honestly get curb stomped on a barbell

>>41302033
>Free market dairying
>Existing anywhere in the west
See this is one of those points where "animal rights" activists show themselves far out of their league. And you're wrong about the open access to pasture.

>>41301665
Im a veg, vegans are retarded im one because my parents were hippies and raised me like that. But cheese and milk are like half my diet. At this point in my life its a habit and ive been doing it forever and is healthier than eating meat, morals or caring about muh hurting animals has nothing to do with it.
>>41301871
Eat some cheese commie.
>>41302008
None of that is true not milking a cow can hurt it, if they arent milked their sacks can literally burst, killing them.
Going vegan for anything other than purely emotional reasons is retarded there is no benifit to yourself or the environment your just making your own life harder to virtue signal.

>>41302322
Im a vegetarian btw no meat or fish. Sorry about shitty clarity. Vegans are retarded.

>>41302322
who convinced you eating a diet of 50% milk and cheese is healthier than eating meat, thats insanely stupid. You must look and feel like shit.

>>41302426
T. Shitskin

Yeah definitely agree. Vegetarian for 14 years and vegans are just above the people who are "vegetarians" for a day and brag about it in terms of pretentious retards.

>>41302209

Bump

>>41302209
Fuck if I know, I just cook vegetables in various ways. I recommend Quorn for protein and use stuff like their mince or chicken pieces if you're in the UK, can make that into basically any meal. Kidney beans and stuff like that might be good too.

>>41302512

Thanks!

>>41302426
I never said ot was faggot i did say its all ive known and a habit 33

>>41301795
>twisted
Interesting way to spell "biological".

>>41302209
Come on man
Vegan bulking is hard, but vegetarian?
Literally any pizza without bacon or sausage
PB out the jar
Protein brownies
Fried potatoes and eggs
Quessadillas (spelling?)
Falafel

(Almost) anything goes

>>41302456
t. lardass
>>41302541
then break your shitty habit, the food you put in your body is the most important decision you make on a daily basis, if you want to stay vegetarian cut out all that dairy and replace it with something healthy.

>>41302561
what is this garbage advice? bulking like that is totally retarded and if you keep it up for any length of time you'll be a fat fuck

>>41302561
He was asking for specifically vegetarian meals, not just any high calorie shit, at least that's what I read.

>>41301782
>Lock them into small cages
>Force them to get pregnant
>Kill their child if it's male
Should I go on or do you get it now?

>>41302582

Correct. I'm looking for some good recipes

>>41302488
I've run into people like this twice. Once was an edgelord faggot friend of mine who went veggie for a month and can't stop talking about how great he is for it, when I've been one for 15 years. The other was a far-left commie at college who was a veggie for a month and "bowed down" to me in person when I said how long I was a vegetarian.

I think 90% of people assume you are a left-wing faggot as a veggie. Little do they know I'm a True Conservative like Ted Cruz who supported Trump.

>>41302209
Peanut butter
Eggs
Literally GOMAD

>>41302582
Then I answered as far as I can tell
>>41302581
Out of context, of course he should track his macros, you fucking retard.

>>41302044
You squeeze eggs out of chickens all day until their butthole bleeds

>>41302595
I've thought about this long and hard and ultimately it's fucked up but at least those chickens and cows that live beyond childhood are treated better when organic/free range. If everyone stopped buying all animal products like vegans they'd simply all be killed off, killing millions, if not billions of livestock.

It's a bit sick and twisted but meat eaters and vegetarians, not vegans, are needed to sustain this cycle of cruelty to animals. At least if you buy organic or free range they aren't going to be treated as badly. Life is life though, and it's better these animals get to experience it rather than not live at all, plus the meme of setting all animals free in the wild obviously makes zero sense.

By the way if there's any evidence of abusing free range/organic labeling that is fucking evil and I want to curb stomp the people doing it. I'd like to imagine it's only isolated incidents.

>>41302608
>I think 90% of people assume you are a left-wing faggot as a veggie.
Hitler was a vegetarian and had plans to make it mainstream in the Reich. Something to do with the Nordic respect of Nature.

>>41302580
>cut out all that dairy and replace it with something healthy.
Vegan detected go fuck yourself how i eat is just fine im 6'2 175 pounds stop projecting your shitty genetics and choices on everyone else.

>>41301742
>becoming a veggie for the sake of animals
topkek

I'm vegetarian, but I understand that vegans have it right. The egg and dairy industries are still treating chickens and cows like shit. In the modern age, everybody can get all they need out of a vegan diet, but meat/eggs/milk is so cheap and easy to get. Plus people just don't want to stop eating meat, but fake meat is already damn good and it'll be even better in a few years with scientists working on making an environmentally and ethically sound patty that still tastes amazing. Look up the Gates Foundation veggie burger, shit is crazy.

Tl;dr: vegan diets are best for the animals and our planet, but meat/egg/dairy industries aren't going anywhere, so vegan is meh for a lot of people

>>41302595
>Small cages
You mean a free stall barn to keep them out of the below zero temps of Wis. And Vermont?
>Force them to get pregnant
As opposed to those totally naturally occurring all lesbian herds or the ones where they use birth control and the bulls where condoms? Oh that's right animals don't like sex and naturally abstain...
>Kill their child
You mean offspring child is for human offspring alone. A cow is called a calf. And yes they are killed for their tasty nutritional meat and strong leather and sticky glue and spreadable collagen etc.

>>41302663
I know, but most people forget this detail as in the modern era greenies are such faggot weenies and ruined everything. It does at least provide an entertaining cover as I also have a American accent from too much Skype so I can easily pass as a communist hippie. Gotten me into a few entertaining situations.

>>41302512
Piggybacking on this, where do I buy Quorn or similar veggie protein in bulk? Wal Mart, Safeway, etc only have bags of 10 tendies at a time.

>>41302672
see >>41302647

tl;dr: when animals are no longer bred as livestock you will see 90% of animals on the planet die. Reduce their suffering, their at times painful lives are better than death.

>>41302694
For the UK there's just a vegetarian section in the frozen food area. It's also in the chilled area. For Americans IDK, it might just be tofu or there may not be a big vegetarian food company like Quorn. I have to imagine there's something though when America has more vegetarians than Britain.

>>41302672
But that's bullshit.
>>41302647
This is also bullshit
>>41302643
More bullshit chickens lady eggs naturally retard
>>41302608
I just dont tell people im a vegetarian and i was raised to be one anymore, especially in college. Faggots make such a big deal out of it, i just like cheese pizza fags. Get over it.

>>41301665
While I don't hate vegans, I get a real spoiled city kid vibe off them. Not consuming dairy for ethical reasons makes sense, but saying it's never ethical to eat eggs is ridiculous. It's like they can't even imagine that some people have pet chickens or neighbors who do. Beekeeping is also beneficial to the bee population, and a good beekeeper always leaves enough honey for the bees to use. It only hurts bees to avoid honey.

>>41302741
Why are you quoting my post >>41302647 ?

>>41302715
Do you have a source that supports the theory? Not talking shit, but it sounds like something I would say to justify eating eggs and milk.

And yeah, we have those sections too, but they still come in small quantities.

>>41302669
not a vegan you autistic fuck if your diet is 50% milk and cheese you are a skinnyfat or a lardass and you must feel like shit and look like shit on a daily basis. I said get a balanced diet is that concept scary for you to grasp?
>stop projecting your shitty genetics and choices on everyone else
6'1 180 lean muscle master race because I wasn't cucked into eating like a fucking panda as a child and subsequently turning into a mentally retarded adult

>>41301665
I don't eat meat because I find it disgusting, but honestly don't give a shit what other people eat. People who evangelize their diet piss me off, no matter if it's vegetarians or not.

>>41302753
I read it wrong sorry. I thought you were saying the opposite.

>>41302760
I have no source but isn't it logical? If everyone stopped eating meat the livestock would become unsustainable and they'd all be killed off. That's obviously never going to happen, at least in our lifetimes, but is what would actually happen if vegans had their way.

I can't help you on the veggie section. Just have a look round your local supermarkets, ask the employees.

>>41302672
Why do people project human standards of comfort onto animals? Why is it always assumed that livestock (prey animals) will have a fun time in the wild getting tore up alive watching a pack of wolves slurping it's entrails and ripping the livestock animal's calf, lamb, piglet apart limb from limb while it shrieks and cries at the agony of this death? Is it because of some false sense of nobility or a right to self determination? But when you consider livestock don't have the concept of itself as a unique individual how can they have self determination? They have urges and instincts and like it or not agriculture fulfills their urges and instincts better than nature. It's why a bunch of one ton animals don't simply bulldoze their way out if a farm. It would be simple for them if they had the urge or desire to do so, but they are well fed and we'll treated for the most part so this urge in non-existent.

>>41302814
Yes this guy is right. They are very expensive to raise and feed and wild herds of cows would destroy all the veggie fields. They would be more destructive than deer or wild horses by a long shot.

>>41302818
>It's why a bunch of one ton animals don't simply bulldoze their way out if a farm. It would be simple for them if they had the urge or desire to do so, but they are well fed and we'll treated for the most part so this urge in non-existent.
i live in the countryside and see escaped cows and goats and etc all the time desu. factory farms are probably just way harder to escape from than little mom and pop gigs

>>41302818
>human standards of comfort

lol, nobody is saying that.

I don't think that these farms should be eliminated and everybody should be vegan, but it's pretty obvious that we allow a lot of inhumane shit before we slaughter these animals. And the argument of "yeah but wolves do worse" isn't a good one.

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>>41302763
Try again faggot. Me on top

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>>41302763
Heres another, keep eating meat fatty

>>41302877
Lol goats are lil fucks. They probably slid under the fence for better grass. The mom and pop operations don't feed their stock as well as the factory operations. We have a mom and pop ranch and I know we don't. Big operations feed 3 or 4 times a day. They are so fat and content they can't move

>>41302949
I wish I had a twink boyfriend like yours :(

>>41302763
>6'1 180
manlet skeleton detected

>>41301709
The vegan additude towards animal labor is dumb as fuck. The people who decry it are the same people who wear clothes made in sweatshops and keep pets.

>>41302907
>Inhumane
Good thing they aren't humans.

>>41302626

sigh
>this is what /fit/ believes

no one needs pizza, falafels etc, ever, unless you're trying to get insanely high calories in.
food quality matters. don't tell people to eat sugary brownies and pizzas full of simple carbs because the end result will be more fat gain and less muscle gains than someone at the same caloric surplus with a better diet.

lrn2diet.

>>41303008
See >>41302949
>>41302934
I live on pizza and milk cheese and bread and work out. Get over it.

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>>41302818
>Why is it always assumed that livestock will have a fun time in the wild getting tore up alive?
Why should we do something that wolves do too? Why should we interfere with the natural flow of things? It's not like we need beef to survive
Also, chicken and pigs as we know and eat them are the product of selective breeding. They are an unnatural part of evolution, they simply "wouldn't have been" in the wild. Dunno about cows desu
>Is it because of some false sense of nobility
Why is nobility false?
> right to self determination?
Ours or the cow's?
>But when you consider livestock don't have the concept of itself as a unique individual
Says who
>how can they have self determination?
How can you? Humans are very much like extremely sophisticated livestock. Wake up in your box, get out of box, play in the society of others by the rules with the rest of the livestock, get food, shit, fuck, have a kid, die
The basics are very much the same. I doubt language, tools and art are what makes someone have a sense of self.
>They have urges and instincts
And we don't? How are they different from us? We don't have sex to have kids, we have sex to feel good. When we do have kids, we don't do it to promote ourselves, we do it because we "have to". It's a biological imperative.
>agriculture fulfills their urges and instincts better than nature
Says who
Did the male chicken want to be ground up at 3 days old?
Did the bull like having an electric probe up it's ass to forcefully ejaculate?
Did the fish want to get caught?
>It's why animals don't simply bulldoze their way out
They don't because they probably can't, or they don't know any better. Would a human raised in a farm with know to escape? Or be able to break free of the steel cage?
> ... they are well fed and treated ... this urge in non-existent.
This has nothing to do with how ethical it is to slay them

Also, you didn't even touch the environmental aspects

A lot of words to just say "I don't care and I love bacon"

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>>41302934
>>41302949
Try again brah. But skinnyfat literal faggot confirmed, keep guzzling milk and your twink bfs cum for protein, I'll keep eating meat like a normal person

>>41301665

Vegetarianism is a very strong indicator of low test.

>>41302907
It's absolutely a good argument. Feed lots may not be ideal but they're a heck of a lot better than wild nature. The wolf scenario is only one example. Who delivers the breeched calf and mother in nature? Who lances the cow about asphyxiate on it's own bloat when it gets into a patch of clover? Who trims and treats the hooves of the cow with hoof rot? Who runs an i.v. of calcium gluconate on the mother who exhausted herself with birth and is coming down with milk fever? Wild nature is filled with infinite perils that domesticated stock haven't had to face.

>>41302091
not necessarily. in essence that is how the industry works but daiey industries in all countries are hectic due to calving periods, imports etc. its a very complicated market and its not as cut and dry as simply low production cost = their milk on the shelves, its a whole lot messier

i know a chap with orgaic cows who supplies milk to tesco and his cows are all treated well. one of the national industry giants is also well known for being especially kind to their cows.

granted, this by no means results in any kind of guarantee that you're getting well treated cows' milk when you buy it regardless of where that may be, and your decision not to support that makes perfect sense. its just that, at least in the UK, its not as widespread as you may think.

>>41303008
>sigh
>reddit spacing
You need to go back

>>41301665
Joke's on you, I'm a vegan anarcho-capitalist.

>>41302934
DYEL?

>>41303038
is this proof? you look like shit lmao

>>41303115
never even been on reddit, what the fuck is reddit spacing

>>41303005
Fucking got em m8

>>41303078
Lol you obviously aspire to be nothing more than chattel to your overlords which is why you feel such an empathy with livestock. You have serious cognitive dissonance in your argument as well. How is it possible to hold both points that man ought to be more ethical than nature but that man's urges and instincts are superior in influence to his logic and philosophy?

>>41302743
>Beekeeping is also beneficial to the bee population, and a good beekeeper always leaves enough honey for the bees to use. It only hurts bees to avoid honey.
No, because honey bees aren't as good at pollinating as the natural pollinators in that area. Also honey can give you botulism.

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>>41301665
animals often suffer for vegetarian products more than if you would just man up and shoot them.
in the egg production the male chicken get shredded

http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-happens-with-male-chicks-in-the-egg-industry_100.html

Vegetarians are cucks without a moral compass. just to look cool.

I respect people who want and who live on the countryside but vegeterians are weak cucks trying to look like they do something for the world, like leonardo di cuckio trying to teach people about climate change while flying around the world.

>>41301782
Forced to get pregnant.
Male calfs are killed at birth, females taken to be meat or milk makers.

The cow will only rupture if it's not milked because there should be a calf there to drink the milk. If that's dead then there's problems.


Male chicks killed a day or 2 after they hatch, usually in what's basically a giant blender, females turned into meat or egg makers.


So billions of males are killed every year for milk and eggs, so it's far from ethical.


I'm not vegetarian or vegan by the way, I just try to educate myself on where my food comes from.

>>41303105
Not to mention that the price of milk and cream is fixed at a floor rate in both the e.u. and the u.s. I'm not sure where these asshats pull their knowledge of ag economics from

>>41303078
>A lot of words to virtue signal while admitting you've never studied morals or philosophy in a deep or rigorous way.

Vegans btfo again

https://www.nutritionexpress.com/showarticle.aspx?articleid=1286
>tl;dr
Carnosine, found primarily in skeletal muscle fibers, helps regulate pH levels during high-intensity exercise. More carnosine = reduced fatigue.
The best (only) dietary source of carnosine is meat, and research indicates that vegetarians and especially vegans have lower average levels of carnosine than omnivores

>>41302934
>>41302949
DYEL? why are you even on fit? Take this shit to reddit cuckboi

>>41303253
>e.u
not sure what you're referring to. the price of milk in the UK changes on an almost daily basis.

>>41302934
>>41302949
>some skinny fat DYEL giving diet advice
yeah, the only thing you're proving is that eating like shit makes you look like shit

>>41303308
Im not giving diet advice, but saying i cant eat all the milk cheese and bread I want cause im some skinny fat fatso is wrong. Optimizing your diet for max gains is hard no matter if your vegetarian or not, but being a filthy casual and looking mildly fit while eating whatevs isnt hard.

>>41302743

Having friendly pet chickens in your back yard that you look after does not equal the billions of male chicks that are disposed as a waste product in order to breed more egg laying hens.

>>41303295
The manufacturers and grocery stores may change the price but the commodity price paid to farmers doesn't change much over the course of the year and the prices are set by a government formula.

>>41303087
>>41303135
>>41303138
Im sorry i work out for a purpose to do physical things instead of just 'miring in the mirror about how cut you are. I guess im a filthy casual

>>41303400
What's your point? Killing is bad? Grow up life's not a Disney movie, this isn't chicken little.

>>41303421
not true in the UK.

https://dairy.ahdb.org.uk/market-information/milk-prices-contracts/wholesale-prices/uk-wholesale-prices/#.WQojItxgjTU

my company gets a weekly report on the changes. i fucking wish it were a fixed rate because the industry is a hectic mess just now and that benefits the big companies. many farmers are losing money per litre of milk precisely because the price that buyers aren't paying as much for UK dairy products due to cheaper imports and there having been too many dairy cows in the industry in recent years.

can you please cite your source because if you're correct i would be very interested to see how this is happening

>>41303090
>Bruce Li
>Hitler

Wrong

>>41303430
well shut up then because most of /fit/ doesn't share your goals and you shouldn't give out advice to guys who do want to get shredded and strong

>>41303484
much of the agricultural industry in the us is subsidized with government money to keep them from going under, and to encourage agricultural growth, so even if the market price drops under what is profitable the farmer can still make ends meet. Recently the subsidy for corn wasw something stupid to encourage corn production for bio fuels, not sure if this is still true.

>>41303430
what physical things? holding your boyfriend on your thighs while standing? wow, guess weve been doing it wrong the whole time. routine pls

>>41303483

My point is they said that they (you) can see why dairy is unethical, but don't understand why eggs are unethical, and used an example which doesn't even slightly resemble real life chicken production.

It's not difficult to understand, I'm not arguing against or for killing, just pointing out the faulty logic.

>>41303509
theres a difference between shredded and strong you idiot. strength is absolute while being shredded can be done at almost any level, its just dependent on fat content and moisture content.
>>41303526
Working construction mostly, as well as being physically fit enough to accomplish whatever i need to in a theatre/acrobatics setting as a hobby

>>41302743

All the honey is taken from the bees, it's replaced with sugar syrup, which isn't as healthy for the bees.

>>41303567
>All

no

>>41303550
what, look piss off you've already proven that you aren't qualified to give out diet advice to anyone who isn't a skinny dyel, don't start bringing irrelevant picking over definitions into the equation.

/fit/ does not want to look like you, so don't tell /fit/ how to eat.

>>41303550
>being shredded can be done at almost any level
thats called a skelly
He said people want to get shredded and strong though, your diet isn't a good one to get fit simple as that so stop posting your stupid advice here

>>41301875
>CO2 emissions are the only emissions that matter
"no"

>>41303574
dont tell me I cant eat cheese and milk as much as I want, which is how this started.

>>41303595
someone asked for advice to bulk, you gave the a garbage diet which produces garbage results on which I rightfully called you out, you got mad and haven't had anything to say for yourelf since.

all i'm saying is that giving out advice to guys who frankly want to avoid looking like you is misleading.

>>41303595
actually that was me and I said that if milk and cheese is 50% of your diet youre a skinnyfat or a lardass, you happened to be the former and I said you should balance your diet more and you started bitching because your lazy and gluttonous and you like eating milk and cheese all day. You're obviously young so just understand the advice I gave you is sound and in your late 20s (maybe even earlier) your terrible diet will catch up to you and youll look like a coat rack. Like the other anon said fit
>/fit/ does not want to look like you, so don't tell /fit/ how to eat.

>>41303543
>They couldn't understand why eggs were unethical
>You attempted to show him it is unethical because they cull males
Do you not see the obvious implication of your statement?

>>41303689
I was replying to OP with my experiences not offering advice at all, then you jumped in and called my diet shit and how i must be a fatso or unhealthy, which i am neither. Then the rest of the thread happened, i eat mostly milk cheese and bread, no meat and stay fit, both can be done, get over it.

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>>41303592
Cows produce a shitload of methane and use more fresh water than you realize among other things.

>>41303735
Exactly. Thanks for proving my point. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas.

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>>41301795
>this is how vegans actually think

>>41303155
Some people make a living driving around the country and renting their hives out to farmers to pollinate their crops. The people who do this are generally the same people who raise honeybees. Support honey and you support pollinating bees too.

>>41303567
>All the honey is taken from the bees
As I said, it isn't. Good beekeepers leave plenty for the bees. I've never known anyone to use sugar syrup, so if anyone does that it must be huge scale corporations that are easy to avoid.

>>41303400
Obviously, yeah. But as I said, saying it's NEVER ethical to eat eggs is what's ridiculous, and that's what all the vegans I've seen say.

If you live somewhere you can't access ethically produced food it makes sense to avoid that food altogether, but it's self-centered and flat out wrong to say that means it's unethical by nature.

>>41303484
>Notes: Prices have been compiled by talking to dairy product sellers, traders and buyers. Panel discussions on market conditions and prices covered trades agreed for the period 1 to 27 April. The published prices will not necessarily match the actual price received by a milk processor as this will depend, amongst other things, on the proportion of product that is sold on the spot market and the proportion sold under longer term contracts and at what price this is done.

This is what I'm talking about. Most of that pricing manipulation happens post farmer which is why they are taking it in the shorts and going out of business. If it was a free market the price paid to farmers would rise and fall with the fluctuations posted in your link. P.s. I pulled the green text from your link.

>>41303713

No, please explain.

>>41303834
You cannot both use killing as evidence of unethical practice and claim that you aren't arguing against killing and that the other anon has faulty logic. YOU have faulty logic because culling male chickens isn't unethical.

>>41301665
Fuck you, vegetarians are scum

You recognize the sanctity of life yet ignore the fact that 'muh cheese' is just as bad as meat ethically and dietarily speaking

>>41303878
Thats vegans you idiot. Vegetarians eat animal products, just not flesh.

>>41303767
it does rise and fall, constantly. i probably posted the wrong link.i don't think that text you quoted provides much proof, anyway, it's pretty vague and looks like more of a disclaimer. believe me, it does rise and fall, that's why there is a currenr shortage of dairy cows - farmers aren't being paid enough to continue doing it, which sucks for me because they sell up and the bigger companies get bigger.

i have the relevant evidence on my work computer. this is just my home laptop. five minutes in the industry would show you everything i've just told you. there's no need to try to tell me otherwise because this affects my work big time and i have to keep on top of it. plenty farmers get short changed. no h8 btw.

>>41301802
Yeah just last week I remember I ran into 4 vegans who I totally couldn't tell were vegans, it's crazy how they blend in and don't stand out at all isn't it?

>>41301802
come on brah, its not jsut one or two vegans. vegan diets are inherently superior but i think we all know more than one vegan who's a cunt about it.

>>41303875

How is killing males not unethical?

My argument wasn't about that anyway, my point was that using eggs from pet chickens isn't the same as buying from a store where male chicks are culled to produce them. So if dairy farming is unethical then so is egg farming. But for some reason the poster doesn't see it that way.

>>41303923
I don't think you know what a spot market is. And I think you are also deliberately ignoring the fact that I said the floor changes according to government formulas. They just aren't very reactivate or good formulas.

>>41301665

I'm meat- and dairy-free (fine with free-range eggs) because of the impact it has on the environment (climate change). More cows = more methane and more deforestation. They consume more water too, and the crops could be going towards human consumption. Most cows are fed antibiotics (contributing to antibiotic resistance).

>>41303970
Why should it be so? The burden falls on the accuser. Prove to me that the act of killing an animal is unethical.

>>41304026

Fuck off I'm bored of you now.

>>41304038
you cant prove your shitty point because its emotional and wrong. PROVED.

>>41303984
i'm not aware of any government intervention within the UK dairy industry in any meaningful sense, i mean dairy farmers are still going bust big time. i didn't deliberately ignore that i just forgot it.

i mean i said my piece, i can't prove anything here just now so you have no reason to believe me but all i wanted to do originaly was impart the fact that cows aren't mistreated in the UK as many vegans probably believe. i'm not going to continue this because you're only telling me things which are in direct contrary to what i've observed over my 4 years of working in this industry with direct contact to many dairy producers both large and small; there's probably nothing you can tell me to change my mind over what i've seen with my own two eyes and i'm probably not going to change yours. i don't have anything else to say. again, no h8, but i'm just re-iterating here.

>>41304058
>>41304038
Lmao BTFO

>>41304001
>antibiotic resistance
This is fucking terrifying and it's a shame more people don't care about it.

>>41304067
No cows aren't mistreated in the UK at all. I've been in the industry 20 years. Started when I could walk. Those pricing floors, preexisting contracts, and spot markets is what fucks dairy farmers. Half of all of Californias dairies went bankrupt WITH the pricing formulas in place. Out of curiosity what is your role in the industry. Also no h8s mutual respect.

>>41304058

https://youtu.be/t_u0jxi_v-w

this OP is such a faggot, getting BTFO all over this thread and keeps posting, no one cares about you

>>41304001
>>41304167
Like most terrifying things it's absolutely false. In the united States no antibiotics may be present in meat or dairy at the time of processing therefore there is no dosing of antibiotics in food. If an animal is to be treated with an antibiotic it must be culled for a portion of time sufficient for the dairy or meat to be clear of it. EVERY. SINGLE. TANK OF MILK. is tested for presence of antibiotics and rejected if found.

>>41304188
also yep just as i typed that i realized that i meant to say that fewer cows are mistreated than the average vegan probably thinks, like i started out with.

so it seems as though you're american. my knowledge about the american dairy industry is limited, except i know that it is a fuck ton larger than the UK's. i don't know anything about american policy on government intervention in the dairy industry so i can't comment there.

i started a company selling dairy products four years ago, i'd post links to my website and entry in the companies house database but i'd rather not risk some retarded 4channer trying to fuck with me like what happens in some threads. i buy in cream and milk from currently 3 producers and process and package it in order to sell butter, buttermilk, indian style ghee and a high protein yogurt to delis, cafes, supermarkets, a range of places. i also sell a lot of skim milk to skyr and just over 4 tons of butter per week to a chef who uses it to make garlic butter for shop shelves.

>>41304250

I don't think they ment we would ingest the antibiotics, more a case of the disease in the animal becoming resistant, then transferring to humans like swine/bird flu did.

>>41304250
Personally I was just talking in general. I'm glad to hear it isn't a problem from food, but antibiotics are way overused in human healthcare, like in a lot of countries they give antibiotics to people for literally everything right down to common colds. So shit is getting pretty genuinely scary and fucked. I guess this is off-topic though desu.

>>41303878
>muh made up ethical code

There are other reasons for being vegetarian you dumb ass

>>41304295
Cool beans bro. I wasn't being sarcastic about the treatment of the cows either. I know the UK and Ireland is basically pasture based as opposed to u.s. not being so. But yeah I remember like 10 years ago a bunch of French guys dumped their milk to protest the low government floors on their milk. Maybe milk is the one thing the e.u. let's countries regulate themselves, but I bet if you dig deeper into legislation in the UK you'll find lots of government manipulation in the fluid milk prices off the farm. It's simply how the global industry works. I've sat in many manufacturers board and producers board meetings where this is discussed because California is heavily invested in the export market.

>>41304306
Seems a far stretch there
>>41304317
Yes. This. I'm much more worried about the super mrsa growing in hospitals.

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>>41304244
WTF, I'm OP

I've made 3 posts in this thread, and two of them were about the CO2 and Water usage of the beef industry you dumb shit.

I don't know who the fuck you think you're talking to, but it's not me

>>41304503
i'll definitely look into it. good talking to you

>>41303078
>Did the bull like the electric probe up his ass to force him to cum
Obviously. He came didn't he? Just because his sexual appetite is less than vanilla doesn't mean you can make him feel bad about it.

>>41301821

underrated post

>>41301665
>Anyone else here a vegetarian who hates most vegans?
I get you, brah. Unfortunately vegan extremists give many meat-eaters the wrong idea and make it seem like some sort of crazy cult (which it is for them)

>>41301665
>Anyone else here a vegetarian who hates most vegans?
I'm a vegetarian, but I don't hate all vegans. I recognize that there's a vocal minority that makes the plant-based diet a laughing stock, but that most of them are fine and keep to themselves, like me. It usually takes months for people to clue in that I don't eat meat.