in veganism unhealthy on the long run ?

You just need to make sure that you get an iron supplement. It's something that a lot of people don't think about, because it takes a couple of years with no meat or dairy source to become iron deficient for most people, but like, just an iron supplement is usually enough to stay healthy.

Also, you can either be healthy or not. Ideally, veganism lowers your cholesterol intake, but you can also be a fatass and eat a bunch of candy. I knew a fat vegan that did that.

>>41245749

ofc its not unhealthy

eating shit ridden pig meat is the road to cancer

B12 ?

> But if you don't go vegan, you're anti-feminist! Dairy is rape, where they hook cows up to a rape rack to milk them. They're literally called rape racks!
So everyone has to go vegan or they're a raaaaaapiiiiiiist!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XqUZJFL9f_8

>>41245749
In the long run, everyone dies. So what does it matter?

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>>41245757

>>41245750

lentils have iron in them.

>>41245749
Yeah, because people get sick of hearing you yammering about it and stop returning your calls and, as we all know, social isolation is very bad for you.

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>>41245749
yes

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>>41245763

>>41245750
>You just need to make sure that you get an iron supplement


My vegan friend asked me what supplements I take to always be so healthy.

"Meat" I told him. The look on his face was priceless.

I guess because I don't eat a lot of it and never served him any when he came over he assumed I was vegetarian or vegan.

>>41245767

>171cm

lel

>>41245752
everyone should supplement b12 vegan or not

>>41245749
Vegans are obnoxious faggots, but they usually lead a very healthy lifestyle. You can get protein from sources other than meat you know

>>41245750

>iron suppiment
nigger, plants eat iron. that shit is plentiful in the ground

lentils and brocolli are great souces of iron.
you dont need to pass a festering rotting mass of flesh in your colon to absorb iron

also, just dropping a small bar of regular iron in your grains when you cook them is more than enough to enrich your food with iron
you can reuse the bar forever

>>41245770
you also sound like an obnoxious faggot

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>>41245749
no, of course not :)

or i mean. it can be, if "veganism" means eating oreas and potato chips all day. but if it means eating cleanly, and making sure you get enough quality protein and the like? from beans and tofu and whatever? then it's perfectly healthy :)

i suggest anyone going vegan to track their macros AND micros closely, at least for a week or 3. i use cronometer xD

and work on fixing any deficiencies you find. if you need b12 or some other things, nutritional yeast can be a wonderfully tasty way to fortify your diet!

>>41245749
Only rich people can be vegans

>>41245925
You just let me know if you need any "protein suplementation", k babe? I'll whip you something up right away :^)

Also nutritional yeast tastes great but doesn't have bioavaliable b12. You know what does? My semen.

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> walking pharmacy Patrick Baboumian
> s-s-see meatcucks! vegans can be JUST as strong as you!

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>>41245945
100% false.

contrary to what i hope is unpopular belief, it's cheap to eat vegetarian or vegan. compare prices of meat to that of vegan protein lol.

>>41245925
kill yourself

>>41245945
Do they charge cocaine-prices for lentils where you live or something?

I mean, sure, like with everything you can be a faggot about it and buy overpriced meme-products from lifestyle shops, but you can say the same about lifting in general. I honestly started eating more vegan because I was poor and buying legumes in bulk was cheap.

I would be a vegan if I hated gains or didn't lift.

Well of course it is, but thats besides the point. The bigger question is, do you really want everyone you come in to contact with thinking youre a gigantic gaylord?

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>>41245970
lol you're silly :P

>>41245978
make me :O

I'm not a vegan because I enjoy the taste of meat, it would also cause more hassle than it's worth. Having to take 20 different supplements a day, being picky about what you can eat and where you can go out for dinner. I also do not care that animals die in order to keep me fed.

I have no reason to want to become a vegan.

>>41246036
And just why the hell do you think other people's opinions even register on my radar?

>>41246045
Silly?! It's full of protein, lots of micros, low-calorie, tasty due to me having a plant-based diet for over 10 years, and for a qt trap the supply is unlimited :^)
(Also the recepies in that book are fucking kryptonite, remove that shit from /fit/)

>>41246054
I literally just take a multivit with b12 and sometimes vegan omega 3 (depending on what I've eaten that day). I mean I take a bunch of other stuff too, of course, because /fit/ has memed me into it but I'm aware it's probably a scam and I could go without it.

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>>41246110
you have me wondering what your semen tastes like. honestly i bet vegan guys have the best tasting cum lol.

someday!

Any diet that REQUIRES supplementation is shit.

Nope, as long as you're supplementing B12 or consuming fortified foods (Soy milk for example), then you're good. As long as you eat enough fruits and vegetables, you can sustain veganism for your whole life.

>>41246151
Every diet needs that, though. That's why they put iodine in salt, and to an extent vitamine d in milk and fortify stuff with iron and so on.

Also you're damn bodybuilder my dude, supplements are inevitably a part of your life. Or do you not supplement protein intake with whey shakes? Such an arbitrary delimination, "diet has to be NATURAL, given my specific definition of 'natural' which I base on my FEELINGS!"

>>41246140
Mission accomplished then ;)
(desu I'm gonna fap to the thought of you gulping it down, brb)

>>41246171
And my semen. Don't forget the most important vegan supplement: my semen in particular, not any other, just mine and drunk straight from my cock. Only women and traps get free access though. You have to give me shekls in you're a guy, no homo.

might be useful for anyone interested.

t. /his/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3-BX-jN_Ac

years ago, there was a really atrocious shitposter on /tg/ called "Jim Profit". He was so awful that moot came down and not only ip banned him, but auto banned anyway who put "Jim Profit" in the name field.

Chinkmoot, you need to do this now with vegan trap

I'll keep posting this every fucking thread
Veganism is extremism, you don't drop meat and diary if you're unhealthy, you just reduce high saturated fats, and add more veggies and fruits to your diet.
Being vegan is like doing only compound lifts expecting to look good in 4 months, you also need isolation work for big 'ceps
In short, vegans are fucking retarded, don't spread your gain-killing bullshit

>>41246827
Short run? No
Long run? Probably.
Our bodies were designed and evolved over millions of years to be omnivores. It's how our teeth are designed, how our bodies manage proteins, how we digest our foods.

>>41246890
didnt' mean to reply, forgot to delete the post number

Try it for 20 years stupid faggot. The people who are into veganism are unable to recognize bodily signs of health anyway, they will say it makes them stronger on their deathbed as cancer takes their life away.

>>41246827

>ill keep posting this uninformed garbage every thread

It's polyunsaturated fats (vegetal oil, and the main fat of every fast food and fried dishes) that are harmful, saturated fats are litterally PROTECTIVE and you suggest to drop them lmao.

Think about it, what type of fatty acids are more prone to free radicals / oxidation ? The unstable ones or the extremely stable saturated ones.

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>>41247003
>reduce saturated fats equals dropping them
nigger what are you doing

Is there such a thing as a low carb vegan diet?

What would you eat for protein?

Not Vegan BTW but i wanna bulk on a low carb diet, and im wondering how i can get protein enough protein aside from eating 1lb of meat a day....would like to eat a bit less meat in general

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>>41245749

>>41245767
>190kg log-lift
>ignore that hafthor just pressed 195x3

>>41247020

Nice goalpost moving retard. You suggested reducing something that is protective, as a health advice, and completely ignore about pufas which are the real issue. You're legit retarded to think dropping or reducing intake don't push toward the same effect.

In both cases your fatty acid profile composition becomes less saturated and more prone to oxidation.

>>41247003

Wait, wtf? Since when were polyun. fats the bad ones and saturated fats the good?

I don't think it's unhealthy. I think it's sub par to a meat eating diet. I think we were built tl eat meat. But, we can choose not too, and don't have to cause suffering for animals in that way and commodify them, it's disgusting to me, so I'm vegan.

>>41245749
With how many people you need to tell that you're a vegan a day, it's only a matter of time until you get involved with the wrong crowd and got shot. So yeah, it's pretty unhealthy.

>>41245751
can we stop with the cancer meme, anyone can fucking get it so why even bother thinkig about it when it comes to diet

>>41247501
>I don't think it's unhealthy
but it is unhealthy.

you would have to take multiple multi-vitamins just to avoid dying.

>>41247542
B12 is not "multiple multi-vitamins".

>>41247449

Research, anon. When you understand the effect of each fatty acid you'll understand that the demonization of saturated fat was a marketing scam.

You can find this info easily that the end-product of polyunsaturated fats is a known inflammatory fatty acid called arachidonic acid and this produce molecules called prostaglandins which participate in cancer, diabetes development and other stuff. Plenty of studies on their involvement with cancer.

>>41247449

Btw coconut oil which is the most saturated of fats has been consumed for centuries by populations where heart disease and metabolic syndrome are quasi non-existent.

>>41245767

Being vegan doesn't stop roids from working

>>41245925

> if you need b12 or some other things, nutritional yeast can be a wonderfully tasty way to fortify your diet!

Sorry VT but nutritional yeast doesn't have B12 in it.

Or, to be clear, not B12 that your body can actually process, yeah, they fortify the yeast with B12 but that's just a selling point so the vegan food industry can charge you more for it, it does nothing, you'll still be deficient in it.

If you are not taking B12 supplements as a vegan you *will* suffer from B12 deficiency, it may take a few years but it inevitably will happen

>>41247752

But lumping all polyunsaturated fats as "bad" is silly. Omega-3 FAs have been demonstrated to reduce the risk of certain types of cancers, CVD, and their anti-inflammatory properties are used to treat conditions like rheumatoid arthritis. True that omega-6 is "bad", but only because the western diet typically consists of too much of it.

The research on SFs and disease is still up in the air for the most part.

>>41245769
nah dude, b12 is abundant in meat and dairy products. people with balanced diets don't need to supplement anything

>>41247795
Source?

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>>41245767
>become strong as fuck, setting national records with a balanced strongman diet early on and a vegetarian diet from 2005

>turn vegan 6 years later, stop winning 'germany's strongest man' and stop beating his own records except for a yoke walk

yeah it's totally the vegan diet doing it

>>41245925
I went vegan for three weeks at the start of the year and it fucked up my gyno like nothing else. had it since teens and it's mostly been dormant but after a week of eating some soy and a lot of beans and veggies I thought I would start lactating. Also gave me incontinence and low libido.

I've nothing against the vegan diet in itself, but it's not for everyone

>>41248260
Yeah it's totally not him getting older in 6 years

>>41248342

it's not his age, he's younger than Savickas who kept coming 1st/2st in the WSM until 40

>>41245753
If you are that worried that veganism is feminist propaganda:
Bulls are raped too. They are strapped down and a 2-3 inch THICC metal electric probe is stuffed in their ass to stimulate their prostate until they cum
I wouldn't want that in my ass
>>41245754
>Why go to school
>Why get a gf
>Why get a job
>Why lift
>>41245759
Non-heme iron is not as absorbable. You may be getting 400 % DV every day and still come out deficient. Source: me and my gf
Just get your bloodwork done anually and supplement accordingly
>>41245771
Yeah and while you're at it sprinkle your morning oats with the inside of a mercury thermometer
Fucking retard
>>41245945
>Beans, lentils, peas, potatoes, rice and pasta are expensive where I live
Sad!

It's bad for you in the long run. Source: was vegan for 2 years.

>>41249360
what happened to you?

>>41246207
Jesus christ you're a loser

>>41245945

Brown rice? Black beans? Red Kidney beans? Spinach? Broccoli? Tofu? Meat substitutes?

BTFO.

Of course it can be
Your body dosen't give a shit where the macros come from as long as they're there
Of course it's more messing around because of nutrient and calorie density differences

>>41245749
If you are like the typical American it is extremely unhealthy because they have no knowledge of nutrition and their diet will consist of frozen vegan mac-n-cheeze and burritos. If you have a good understanding of nutrition then you can easily go vegan. The only thing going against you would that you would probably have a harder time gaining weight/bulking, I have a low tolerance for eating a lot and the only way I can gain weight is by eating a ton of meat/milk/eggs. You also might have harder time getting protein, you will technically be eating more protein than a meat eater will but your body cannot use plant protein as efficiently as protein from meat.

>>41245758
>raw foodism
There's your problem.

>>41246151
meat is a supplement

>>41251099
it's a part of a balanced diet

Why does every board on this fucking website need a vegan thread?

Imagine caring this much about whether people eat/dont eat vegan

>>41252888
i'm convinced it's like 2 dudes doing it every day

Well most ling time vegans, like 80%, suffer from B12 deficiency. So there's that. That would imply that B12 supplements aren't enough and you have to get it from meat for the vitamin to actually ebter your system.

>>41252905
they must be mods because they never, ever fucking 404

>>41245749
The problems not really that, is more that eating meat and having a balanced diet is healthier, not based in pseudoscience; and that veganism/vegetarianism keeps being bullshitted as special snowflake diet which regardless of evidence proving otherwise, is somehow nebulously healthier and better than eating meat. Because these people can't into science, diet and nutrition and have believe so bad it does something for them just so they can tell other people about it and have an excuse go to them about not eating meat. Also that were having the millionth vegan thread on this board

Idc about you OP or anyone who is a vegan, but if you make your child go on a vegan diet, you are 10/10 absolutely fucking their body up and they will resent you

It is the no.1 way to raising manlets

I developed some bro science that says you must eat what your teeth say. Like if you don't have sharp canines but good molars you can do well with no meat, and if you do have them you need meat to be 100% healthy

>>41247033
Hard but doable. I did it during a cut. For protein: seitan, tofu, tempeh, bean-pasta, mock-meats (I kept those at a minimum but damn the rest gets boring...) and of course protein shakes. I managed to get 180g+ protein per day while taking in around 1700kcal per day. Felt fine, could still lift pretty OK and do lots of cardio, made great progress and lost 20+kg. Only downside is it was boring as fuck cause I ate the same thing over and over, but that's cutting for you; I don't think replacing the tofu with lead chicken breast would've done much honestly.


>>41247795
True. However, given how widespread the misconception is, lots of brands have actually started foritfying their yeast with bioavialiable b12 just to avoid being responsible for vegans dying. Same with other vegan staple foods, like soymilk and even some mock meats; usually fortified with b12. My gf doesn't take supplements and gets all her b12 from fortified foods and her levels are fine (she's checked with a doctor several times, it used to be too low before she started drinking more soymilk).


>>41248281
lol how is that even possible?


>>41249140
>heme iron
Yeah, the obsession some people have around supplements is strange. "You can't be vegan without supplements therefore it's crap!" say the meat-eaters. "Sure you can, watch me!!" replies the vegan and dies. Jesus, just take your b12, iron and omega3 and stfu - our diet is demonstrably NOT possible without supplements and we're better off just admitting that.

>>41245750
men should never supplement iron, you could fucking kill someone with that advice you fucking retard.

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>>41245749
>come from a vegan family
>LITERALLY the only vegetarian
>6'3" when rest of my family are 6'6"+ (non deformed)

>>41253787
The notion that saturated fat is harmless is actually a meme.

>>41246827
>you just reduce high saturated fats
Saturated fats are fine for you reducing them is a meme
>>41247752
>>41247778
These
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1

>>41253820
So is the notion that you read anything I posted
>>41253838

>>41245749

Do people not realize the poor logic in saying a vegan diet is shit because it requires supplementation?

Let's say I make a super laboratory food that tastes, looks, and feels like WHATEVER FOOD YOU IMAGINE IT TO BE. If you think it tastes like ice cream, it will take like ice cream. If you think it tastes like pizza, it will taste like pizza. This is just a thought exercise so don't get cute with the what-ifs.

I run clinical trials on people eating this food and the lifelong studies show that the people eating it exclusively live longer and get cancer at much lower rates than the general population. The only catch is that the diet contains all essential vitamins and minerals EXCEPT B12, so subscribers need to take an inexpensive B12 pill once a day.

Wouldn't you clearly be a fool to NOT try to this diet? You get to experience food in exactly the same way, except that you live longer and have a lower chance of getting cancer. All you have to do to stay safe is take a B12 pill.

Veganism is basically that, except you have added food restriction. If you're on an american diet, you WILL miss out on many foods that you probably eat regularly. However, if you eat a vegan diet and take B12, you are likely to live longer.

Seems like fair trade for a lot of people. Discounting a diet because you have to supplement a single cheap supplement is silly. Now, if it were a very expensive supplement, it'd be a different story.

>>41253817
>6'6"+
>non deformed
kek

>>41253907
The whole B12 thing is an argument against vegans who claim our ancestors ate vegan diets

>>41253907
>Being reliant upon anything that *requires* modern tech

It's like you want to die when society collapses

It's irrelevant either way for me because the only reason to go vegan is if you have a medical problem with meat or for moral reasons, but I feel it is my right to eat what we as a superior species can control/kill so that's a non-issue for me.

>>41245749
You can all shit your pants and cry about taking a B12 supplement once a day, but even the fucking leader of the American Heart Association says veganism is the best thing you can do to prevent heart conditions.

Which is the leading cause of death in America.

The broscience in this thread is incredible

>>41254541
The AHA is obviously paid off by the grain industry
Unlike all the low-carb authors who have spoken at meat and dairy industry conferences or get paid off by oil producers like Mozaffarian

>>41254592
He is the first leader of the association to be Vegan and promote Veganism.

Kinda sounds like they were being paid off by animal industry.

Heart disease is caused by high in take of cholesterol and saturated fat. A plant based diet means you will not be consuming any cholesterol whatsoever, and the only way you could eat too much saturated fat on a vegan diet is by eating junk food all the time, or living off of peanut butter (the GOAT diet)

>>41245749
I'm a vegetarian who has tried to go vegan several times. It's extremely difficult to get over 100 grams of protein on a consistent basis. You become reliant on eating massive amounts of lentils and vegan protein powder. It's certainly possible, but it's a massive pain in the ass when compared to just drinking lots of milk.

>>41254777
>Heart disease is caused by high in take of cholesterol and saturated fat
There's literally an inverse correlation between the two. Stop it with this meme

>>41254541
>but even the fucking leader of the American Heart Association says veganism is the best thing you can do to prevent heart conditions.
Because he's falling for a retarded pseudoscience fad diet.
>The broscience in this thread is incredible
>Veganism
>anything but broscince
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html

>>41253559
i think i just hate high iron foods, if it werent for iron supplements id be dead because lentils, meat, anything with a high iron content hurts my head and makes me feel like shit.

>>41245750
iron is not the issue. B12 and vitamin D are the hard things to get

>>41254866
Wtf? I easily get like 140+g of protein a day WITHOUT the shakes. What the hell do you eat, bro?

>>41254979
Except everyone claiming it's a "meme" is an anon faggot from 4chan or an industry shill while respected doctors and their non-biased organisations say the opposite.

>>41255585
>gets accused of broscience
>posts the same chaosandpain blog he always posts in these threads
Are you a shill or just a retard?

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>>41245749
I'm an ex vegan. was vegan for 5 years, was vegetarian for 6 months and then was vegan for 3 months. Now I just eat normally.

I would get my bloods done a lot. One consistent thing that happened was my iron levels were dangerously high (eating meat fixed this go figure) and my levels were all over the place. I am female and do power lifting. That helped with some of the simptoms of veganism like my poor circulation. Pics related. I woke up with those bruises without cause daily to the point that veganism mad me so unwell that I was tested for leukaemia. Before people say I did it wrong I was working with dietitians, doctors and personal trainers to ensure I wasn't doing it wrong. I've got to hospital several times and even had to take days off work because of it.

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>>41255813
other pic

>>41255742
Chaos and pain is one of the few blogs that generally backs his shit up with actual studies, yes he writes like a 2edgy4u faggot sometimes but he knows his shit and backs it up

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>>41255813
Here is an example of face changes. Both are at the same window.
First image was Febuary 6th 2016
Second image was March 9th 2017

now as a vegan I was making sure I got fats and everything. We calculated I was eating between 2500-3000 cals but my body was not absorbing the food. A meal would probably take half and hour to get out of my system after eating it and so I stared being able to count ribs and all which was crazy.

>>41245925
>making sure you get enough quality protein
>>41245970
>You just let me know if you need any "protein suplementation",
>>41247033
>how i can get protein enough protein aside from eating 1lb of meat a day


>meat eaters being in charge of knowing about nutrition

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>>41253907
now imagine your diet wasn't about that food, but some fad diet that was somewhat similiar to that food.

The studies have been on lacto-ovo vegetarians faggot. Its hard to to longitudial studies on veganism because they all quit after 5 years tops.

>>41248218
>>41249940

>>41254541
how many genders does he think exist?

>>41256033
>meat eaters being in charge of knowing about nutrition
>posts abut protein
>meat eaters
>knowing about nutrition
>>41253838

>>41254777
>animal industry.
What did he mean by this?

>>41256118
Delete your post and rewrite it with coherency

>>41253559
>our diet is demonstrably NOT possible without supplements and we're better off just admitting that.
Or maybe you're just eating like shit.

>>41256131
How about you stop more of your shitposting about my posts like you have an argument, and use your brain to parse out what >>41256033
just said. Then read my post again with *abut fixed to about. And he's probably the same guy that posted that people ITT that actually knew what they were talking about were broscientists>>41254541. Let that amount of retardedness sink into your dumbass brain

>>41245750
>>41245749
Reminder: The Catholic Church used to force people to eat no meat for 40 days for Lent. Carnivals were pre-Lent festivities where people at a lot of meat.

animals do not have agency, thus eat as many or whichever you please


i just had 50g butter and 100g chicken liver for breakfast

>>41254414
I'm not interest in silly appeals to nature. I'm interested in finding the diet that will help me live healthily and happily as long as possible.

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>>41256233
No because you post simply doesn't make any fucking sense to anyone else aside from yourself.

I still don't have any idea what you're getting at, but just for clarification both of the posts where by me if you didn't already know.

>>41256618
>No because you post simply doesn't make any fucking sense to anyone else aside from yourself.
It's not that hard to understand, dipshit. But your one of if not the dumbest poster ITT so I shouldn't be surprised you can't critically think at all. I'll TDLR it for you, you posted one of the most retarded posts in this thread and you should kill yourself out of shame for not only posting what you did, but then admitting to it
>but just for clarification both of the posts where by me if you didn't already know.
You literally just proved my point and that's what I just said

>>41253907
Veganism is not even close to being basically that. In your suggestion, I go to the food store and stockpile 1 single item that tastes like anything I can dream up.

In veganism, you have to buy a wide variety of different, possibly expensive, food then prepare them in special ways to make them taste similar to "real food."

Nothing against supplements and I agree that it's a bad argument against veganism (except in cases where people are so stupid they let their children's health suffer because of it). But your example is retarded.

>>41245749
>Is veganism unhealthy on the long run ?
Yes. Chronic deficiencies, especially in certain amino acids, cause a progressive cognitive deficit. That's why Vegans don't make any sense, and cling to their silly lifestyle when confronted by facts like this one.

Did you know that you could be charged with child abuse if you attempt to raise an infant as Vegan? They don't develop correctly on a strict vegetarian diet, especially their BRAIN. A doctor discovers you're doing this, you get reported to the police.

Veganism is all about putting animals before humans, and to hell with what it does to human health and wellness. They'd just as soon that the human race disappeared and the Earth was allowed to revert back to it's 'natural' state of before humans began to develop it.

Also: VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

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>>41257016

Is this nigga srs?

>>41257069
Do your own research if you don't believe me.
Only the LAST thing I've said is something you won't necessarily find, because it's just my reasoning based on facts; fossil fuels like crude oil and coal in part come from dead animals, therefore anything using fossil fuels, under Vegan principles, is forbidden to them.

>>41245749
My brother has been full-on vegan for a few months now, and I've been almost never eating meat. Both taking daily vitamin supplements and our recent general blood test shows everything's normal (Iron, B12, etc.)
No noticeable changes in our energy, either

>>41257155
>a few months
That's not enough time for the chronic health problems and progressive cognitive deficit to set in. Turn back now before you get rekt.

>>41254462
>It's like you want to die when society collapses
I won't mind eating meat if society collapses

>>41254592
>the grain industry

>>41257016
>>41257202
>progressive cognitive deficit to set in
any sources for this?

>>41257245
Google it yourself; I can't be bothered to do the research for you. There's plenty of it out there though.

>>41257271
classic

>>41255964

It's kind of difficult to tell the difference in your complexion when you're wearing make up in the bottom photon and you aren't in the top.

>>41255964
>>41255813
>>41255823
Ex-vegans are just people who have failed to live up to their own standards. If you're not vegan, imagine the ethical mind-set here. You don't have to agree with it, just imagine. For a vegan, eating an animal is WRONG. So what would be the proper actions of a vegan who discovers that they can't adhere to the diet because of health issues? If the person maintains their ethical conviction, they would do everything possible to avoid eating meat and, failing that, at least minimise the harm of doing so.

If going to a doctor and consulting dietitians fails, one might turn to a diet that is not strictly vegan, but is argued even by some vegans to be ethically acceptable: such as eating honey, oysters and/or eggs from backyard rescue hens. Failing that, one would go vegetarian, introducing eggs and dairy into one's diet, but trying to both keep the consumption of them to a minimum and tryto find ethical sources of them.

Should all that fail, and one is forced to eat actual meat, one would again try to minimise harm by both eating the bare minimum and consuming ethically raised animals. Adding to that, one might even feel bad about doing this – remember, for this person killing to eat is supposedly wrong. That's THEIR ethical code which they claim to have and deviate from only out of necessity. So now that meat-eating it is necessary for them, it does not mean that it is enjoyable or fun – they might even try to avoid taking pleasure in it, eating instead plain and unseasoned cuts of meat out of sheer need. This might be a somber moment even.

But we seen none of this here. Just the fact that you tried going to the doctor is rare among ex-vegan in itself. But in all cases, the ex-vegans never end up regretful or somber; quite the contrary. They are RELIVED and happy. They have found a loophole: they “have to” eat meat. So they're not doing anything wrong, see. They tried, they really did, it's just that they have no choice.

>>41256198
Or maybe every vegan organisation tells you to take b12 and you're just shitposting?

>>41256198
>1st guy says "This isn't demonstrably true"
>2nd guy makes assumption but doesn't demonstrate anything.
Guess who's wrong for now ?
You think he's wrong ? Demonstrate how ?
>inb4 I can't...
Then you're wrong

>>41257764
Wew

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>>41253838
>top 8

>>41258724
>shitposter
>thinks he has any right to tell other people to stop posting
You probably didn't read either

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>>41257764
Well I went through blood test after blood test and more. I minimise my meat consumption and actually don't put anything on it which made me laugh at your post.

Let's be real. I do feel guilty and try to find as ethical as possible how ever I am no use being sick. Also vegetarians are worse then meat eaters in my eye. One chicken is suppose to lay a small amount of eggs in their life time. people make them lay way more then they naturally do whilst basically being a slave. At least the cow gets to die to make a few steaks. Vegetarians is just a fancy word for hypocrite. :D

>>41257615
I'm only wearing masacra and lip treatment (my lips keep cracking)

Heres a picture of me at the beginning of the year as a non vegan. No make up except the day before mascara because that stuff is hard to get off...

The biggest think I noticed is the fat side. I work better on fats. And do a diet without much fats hollows me out. My face is more plump as a non vegan. Not that this is a priority for me. But it was interesting how much my skin aged as a vegan and then seemed to reverse as a meat eater.

>>41261467
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>>41245945
ur rong m8

>>41257226
agriculture?

>>41261467
Well it make sense , aging ( and mostly skin aging ) is mainly caused by frequent high insulin and blood sugar , and both of those are mainly triggered by carbs and slightly by protein but not by fat , and since most vegan diet are around 70% carbs , 10% fats it's normal that your skin seems older when going vegan .
On top of that the 10-20% fat vegan consume tend to be shitty O6 PUFA .

>>41261467
if your body was shitting everything it means it KNEW that the diet was bad for you , we used to be plant /fruit eater but that's a vestigial trait we kept from our common ancestor ( that we also share with the chimp ) , once we started eating meat we quickly trashed the inefficient carbs / plant metabolism for the superior Fat/meat/ protein metabolism , it made our brain larger and our gut smaller because it was way easier to digest and the micro nutriment are way much more bio available in meat .


Vegan love to compare us to the chimp because he is our closes cousin , but the keyword is cousin , we both took two vastly different metabolic path through our evolution .

Carbs metabolism is a REMNANT of our past and every time you ingest carbs you just stress your body for no reason .

Fair few anons in here referring to veganism as a diet. It's not incorrect but it's not the whole picture.

"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." - The Vegan Society.

>>41247531
meat increases the risk

>>41245761
>jared-leto.jpg

nuff said

>>41262124
>Carbs metabolism is a REMNANT of our past and every time you ingest carbs you just stress your body for no reason .
uhhh, what?
Unless you get 500g+ of carbs a day while overeating on sugar and are within the recommended carb intake (which is the same for everyone basically, so the 200-350g a day) you will be just fine.
If what you are saying is true, the body would have tossed ATP away a long time ago and you would be getting energy straight from protein and fats.


>>41261467
I've read about something that could explain your past issues: there's a bacteria in your intestines which may begin to react violently to vegan diet, that is, overpopulate and it leads to bad nutrient absorbtion as well as overall digestion.

>>41245761
Green gains goblin and three underweight people.
This can be found on the meat-eating side as well.
Meanwhile google "vegan what I ate today" videos on youtube and it's all sexy chicks.

>>41262449
>tossing ATP
Really make me think

>>41254414
there's b12 in dirt, our ancestors got them just fine
the reason we need supplementation is because we wash everything now so no natural b12

>>41262449
Atp is not only used in human but in every single living organism on earth , you can't skip this step because it's the last one , you just need a way to produce it .

And the " recommended" carb intake is bullshit , carbs is non essential , it can ONLY be used as energy or stored as energy , nothing else , it produce more free radicals and thus promote aging and cancer ( search glycation) .

>>41257016
>>41257147

>calling vegans have cognitive deficit
>literally being this stupid

>>41262564
I'm not all that knowledgable in this aspect, only what I remember from my biology classes. Anyway, I meant that had carbs really been so inferior to meat protein, your body would have stopped utilising them a long time ago, wouldn't it? Or you would need to eat much more protein than carbs. And considering that every diet in the world has you eat more carbs than protein (apart from some exceptions which are usually meant for shorter periods of times and/or for dieting)
Your knowledge seems to be greater than mine, however, so let me ask this.
Would diet consisting purely of meat and protein be healthy at all? Or meat and fats? And what about nuts and lentils, which rich in protein as well?
Not to mention that meat fats, mostly red meat and eggs, negatively affect cancer in patients, as opposed to plant-based and white meat (chicken, turkey) diet.
Not to mention that you as a being need energy to function properly, had you ate only

>>41262513
Also the soil in todays modern agriculture is very different from back then, so it's not that b12 rich to begin with.

>>41262635
The glucose need for the brain can be fueled entirelly by the glucogenesis of proteins ( protein transformed into glucose ) and our body only require around 160 kcals of glucose a day to maintain those .

When heavy amount of fat and proteins where introduced almost everything in our body slowly shifted from a glucose based energy to a fatty acids / ketone based energy , but for some important part of ours body the change wasn't fully possible , hence why we're able to transform protein into glucose without problem to meet that need for glucose .

You can 100% function without a single gram of dietary carbs , and you actually have more energy doing so , your blood insulin will be low all the time and your fat cells won't be closed ( when insulin is high you can't take energy out of your fat reserve ) , meaning that you you'll have a more stable energy level throughout the day even if you skip one or two meal in a row because your body will have easy access to stored energy .

We eat so much carbs in today society because once you start primarily relying on carbs for your energy it become harder and harder for your body to sustain itself via his stored energy , people become dependent and can't function without glucose efficiently , but they still need protein and fat because those are super important for a healthy metabolism .

You could eat only meat and be healthy but it'll be hard in today's society where animal are feed literal shit and may be lacking micro-nutrient , but if you add nuts & some very very low carbs veggies you can get 100% of Every micro while staying under 20 g of net carbs a day .

>>41245749
The fact that you have to supplement to get proper nutrition should be a GIANT RED FLAG

>>41262779
>The fact that you have to supplement
Because the industry pumps your meat with the shit vegans have to supplement.
You supplement too, but don't even know what.

>>41252888

This is /fit/ and a large part of that is about nutrition, so it's a debate about that.


Don't be a faggot.

>>41262771

>When heavy amount of fat and proteins where introduced almost everything in our body slowly shifted from a glucose based energy to a fatty acids / ketone based energy

The human body still primarily relies on glucose. Your body can make use of ketones in an emergency, but just like for every other animal in the world, it's not an ideal state to be in. I don't know where you get your info from but you have a fucked up idea of how metabolism works.

>>41261467
Cute. That's a very cummable face.

>>41257764
>For a vegan, eating an animal is WRONG.

Then they grow up and start being pussies.

t. someone who was vegetarian from 13 to 18

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>>41261467
>One chicken is suppose to lay a small amount of eggs in their life time. people make them lay way more then they naturally do whilst basically being a slave.

So you think we should pay chickens for their eggs?

>>41262564

>And the " recommended" carb intake is bullshit , carbs is non essential

If it being essential was all that mattered, you would only eat specific amino acids and your fat intake would be 2% of calories coming only from omega-6 and ALA omega-3.

> it produce more free radicals and thus promote aging and cancer ( search glycation) .

When we're talking about foods that naturally contain carbohydrates, not added sugars and refined grains, they come with antioxidants that quell free radicals and have other health benefits. Fruits are obvious but whole grains and beans are also rich in antioxidants.

>>41261467
>Let's be real. I do feel guilty
Have you tried eating just bivalves? Helped me when I was having issues with my otherwise vegan diet. Great source of omega3 and b12, high in protein, they feel no pain and rope-grown ones have lower environmental impact than some veggies.

Also seconding the cummable face comment. I mean nigger what are you doing, posting your face over 4chan?


>it was interesting how much my skin aged as a vegan and then seemed to reverse as a meat eater.
Seems like your vegan diet was a bit shit to be honest. I mean source of nutrients shouldn't matter if you get the same micros and macros. Try tracking what you're getting right now in detail (micros, different macro subtypes i.e. differentiating between saturated fats and mono- and polyunsaturated, etc.) and try replicating the same thing with a vegan + bivalves + honey diet. Unless you have some kind of gipsy curse on you that requires you ingest blood you should be fine.