How is it possible? If all they eat is soya and beans why are

>>41115283
calories in calories out you retarded mongoloid

Fries man

>>41115283
Most people are fat because of sugar and deep fried food which you can still eat as a vegetarian. Duh.

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>>41115288
Yeah but I still eat a fried chicken dinner or a shepherds pie and I have
Lower cholesterol and an not fat like baby whale
Is it poverty genetics?

>>41115283
>If all they eat is soya and beans

>all food is either meat or soya/beans

retard

>>41115295
Do you think I should say something?

"Eat more lettuce bamby"?

>>41115320
Raman and Doritos

>>41115322
Yeah but I'd they don't eat dairy and they don't eat meat
Why are they fat?
Drinking Sunflower oil again?

>>41115334
Sugar and refined carbohydrates. You know, the things that make everybody fat.

>>41115320
>fried chicken = not vegeterian
>Lasagna = vegeterian
Calories per 100g:
Lasagna = 440kcal >>>>>> Chicken =180kcal

>Fatties eat ungodly amount of carbs,
>carbs are easy to bing eat
>most trash food high in calories are carbs

Why do i even have to explain this, its common knowledge

>>41115334

Vegetarians eat dairy. Ice cream, everything at Starbucks, oreos and chocolate are all vegetarian. Oreos are vegan even.

Basically they eat junk food crap.

>>41115334
what makes you think vegetarians don't eat dairy?

>>41115283
>all cows eat is grass and leaves why are they so disgustingly fat?

Cheese and processed food.

>>41115436
>cheese makes you fat

"no"

>>41115384
What cows are fat?

Where are these fat cows?

>>41115355
they are actually both vegan, and fat. however the vegetarian has higher cholesterol than me

>>41115439
Very high in calories, some people who go vegetarian eat a lot of cheese.

>>41115283
They are fat because sugar is, and always will be, 100% vegan. Frying oil also.

>>41115346
Fatties eat low amounts of carbs.
Most trash food high in calories is high in fat and low in carbs.

It is hilarious that you named lasagna as an example with 440 calories per 100g. It isn't even possible for a food to contain more than 400 calories per 100g unless it is high in fat. Pasta has max 150 calories per 100g. Lasagna is calorie dense because it contain a lot of cheese, oil and cream which is like 80% calories from fat.

Fatties are so removed from anything resembling a normal diet they can't even imagine the premise of eating pasta without adding ungodly amounts of oil, bacon, cheese, butter and other greasy fatty shit. Then they blame carbs, fucking hilarious.

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Do they drink?

>>41115283
Chocolate

>>41115283
I've never seen a fat vegetarian. Underweight, healthy weight, yes, fat no

Unless you count fat people who try to lose weight by going vegetarian and stop again after two months

>>41115595

I've seen a ton of fat vegetarians.

sugar and other unhealthy shit. meat is actually very little calories on its own.

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>>41115656
>I need to know more

>>41115698
>believing that a calorie is a calorie

you need to know more

>>41115711
so a calorie is a combination of _____ that provides energy. Then is it that there are ratios of carbohydrate, fat, protein that provide the greatest calorie. So the a meal could be low calorie (energy low) but high in fat.

Protein, hmmm

Because they aren't vegans and just say that to be smug all the while their fridge is packed with 4 day old mcdonalds burgers.

>>41115339
This right here

this is the unhealthy shit, this is the shit that clogs your veins, this is the shit that destroys you from the inside and gives you a heart attack. Not animal fats or saturated fats or cholesterol, sugar and refined carbs are LITERALLY the satan

>>41115283
>How is it possible? If all they eat is soya and beans why are they so disgustingly fat?
>Eat nothing but carb rich food.
>Does not understand why you got fat.
This is kind of a no brainer to anyone that paid attention at science class in elementary school.

>>41115346
>Why do i even have to explain this, its common knowledge
It is only common knowledge if you have at least half a brain, which is hardly the case of vegetarians.

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>>41115815
>is kind of a no brainer to anyone that paid attention at science class in elementary sc
I thought fat was fat and carbohydrate was energy. obvioslut I am wrong

>>41115698
Are you somehow implying that calories from fat and that from carbohydrates cause the same effect on human body?

If so, let me explain to you that our body process carbs, proteins and fats differently and that ONLY CARBOHYDRATES ARE CONVERTED INTO BODLY FAT.

Go read the /sticky/.

>>41115495
Dietary fat =/= body fat
It's not fat making them fat, it's sugar.

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>>41115860
>let me explain to you that our body process carbs, proteins and fats differently and that ONLY CARBOHYDRATES ARE CONVERTED INTO BODLY
your walking into bullshity land afaik

>>41115859
>I thought fat was fat and carbohydrate was energy. obvioslut I am wrong
Indeed, this concept is very wrong and easy to confuse.

Your body only deposits energy in the form of fat reserves when you have more carbs then your minimun requirement. When your body can't fill it's calories quota with carbohydrates alone it starts burning fat and protein to cover the remaining energy cost, and it does not produce any excess that gets converted into fat tissue on your body.

The problem with eating a lot of fat is not your weight but rather your circulatory system. That fat gets deposited into your arteries and veins and will eventually clog them. This will either kill you, cause disability of limbs and/or speech or force you to have a surgery called cateterism, in which they stick a needle in your arm that moves inside your artery all the way to the clogged location and pokes it until it moves.

This is by no means fun so you should avoid excess fat or face the consequences.

>>41115899
>your walking into bullshity land afaik
Read the sticky faggot.

>>41115889
Actually the body fat of overweight people are the exact fat molecules that they ate. You can actually determine their diet composition simply by analyzing their body fat. So your post states the exact inverse of reality.

>>41115924
>Actually the body fat of overweight people are the exact fat molecules that they ate. You can actually determine their diet composition simply by analyzing their body fat.
Citation needed*

>>41115283

My brother had a gf like this once.

That bitch just loaded up on donuts, and really calorie-dense stuff like peanut butter.

>>41115924
I can't tell if you're autistic or baiting.

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>>41115954
>n donuts, an
>vegetarian

Why are people in this thread saying that is just carbs the make you fat? If you exceed your caloric intake you will get fat, whether you eat mostly carbs, proteins or fats. Read a Biochemistry textbook.

>>41115283

vegetarians tend to be even less healthy than meat eaters, it basically just cuts out low calorie protein sources so they eat a tonne of carbs and fats in the form of pastries, pastas, pizzas etc.

Veganism on the other hand is much healthier.

>>41116191
Because carbs are most abundant and most abused macro-nutrient.
Also cravings are always connected with carb loaded food.
You can get fat in many ways, but the path of carbs and sugars is the one most take.

This is the difference between theory and practice

>>41115283
ITT people that still believe all calories are the same.
The body is going to react differently to 1500 calories of lettuce compared to 1500 calories of donuts.

>>41115295
This, girl I was banging would always whinge for fries. If it wasn't that it was cheese and avocado.

To get back on topic and answer OP's question, it's because shit like deep fried Oreo's are technically vegetarian, as are donuts, cake, pie, and any other ridiculously sugared food. It's a very broad brushstroke to say you're vegetarian, since that means that literally the only thing you can't eat is meat, poultry, eggs, and fish from my understanding. Besides anything like that, everything else is yours to eat.

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>>41116251
>eep fried Oreo's are technically vegetarian
there they are, my sides

>>41115283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrWxMNbgFec

You literally can't put on weight eating an exclusively whole foods plant based diet.

Proof that not all calories are the same.

>>41116228
Well, fats have twice the caloric density of CH and people don't usually eat just sugar. If you eat a donut or a cake both have lots of sugars and lots of fat.

>>41115860
pretty sure excess protein turns into carbs too

>>41116271
>roof that not all calories are the sa
fascinating

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>>41115924

Ssoooo like I heard to much soy can make you fat and also as the other anons said deep fried shit, hella sugary stuff, probably eating to much rice ooohhh and more importantly just cuz their vegetarian doesn't mean they will be skinny if they don't excercise either so there's that

>>41116311
but then why do fat people have to then eat more fat?

>>41116271
Stop

>>41115283
Oreos are vegetarian.

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>roommate is a girl
>when first met her she claims she is a vegetarian
>"that´s nice" i thought, since i eat a lot of veggies as well
Boy, how fucking wrong i was.
>one time cooking some chicken and veggies separately
>spinach, eggplant this kind of stuff
>offer her some
>she looks at me with the face full of disgust
>tells me she once tried it and she hated it
>by "it" she pretty much meant any other vegetable than potatoes
>then i found out
>she literally eats nothing else but some fucking baked cheese with potatoes or other shit-tier vegetable, overly sugary yoghurts, puddings and sweets

Now she isn´t even that bad looking, most people her would call her thick or at worst chubby. But i see nothing but blot and i am fucking disgusted with her. I come to kitchen and i see nothing but fucking shredded edam cheese, smell nothing but baked edam cheese. FUCK !!! In 7 months i did not see her eat one healthy thing. Fucking one. I have started hating women because of her. You don´t even want to imagine the smell at toilet. I have started buying the fucking febreeze by cartons. Fucking disgusting blob, hope she puts on even more weight and falls off stairs.

>>41115768
in highschool a new mcdonalds opened and as a publicity thing they were selling cheeseburgers for 35 cents, I had a friend who bought 100 of them and legit fucking froze them to eat later

What kind of question is this? It's so easy to be a fat vegetarian. Dairy products are the fattiest foods you can eat and vegetarians eat tons of them to replace meat.
Being a fat vegan is much rarer. They'd have to eat nothing but sweets and oreos to be overweight.

Despite usually getting enough calories, vegetarians very often are deficient in certain vitamins, protiens, and fats. For many "fat" vegetarians, they are actually in a starvation mode due to this lack of certain nutrients, despite meeting their caloric needs. They have to eat more to get the same amount of nutrients as a good diet incorporating meat. Take a look at aby herbavoire in nature, they are soending most of their lives just eating.

I dont care what you say, people who eat meat in moderation are healthier than those who dont eat it at all. Period. These studies dont adequately control for lifestyle, vegetarians have no energy to live, and hence be exposed to more risk.

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lay off the faties you. bastards

>>41115339
Sugar doesn't make you fat, it's the fat you ingest with it that does.

>>41116760
holy broscience

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>>41117013
>Sugar doesn't make you fat, it's the fat you ingest with it that does.

>>41116663
wow toilets smell after someone takes a shit in one

stop the fucking presses

>>41117033
>Occupy Whalestreet

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>>41117013
hmmm. really makes you thin(k)

>>41117033
>>41117086
Explain what you think happens to a sugar molecule between it being swallowed and stored in a fat cell.

>>41117102
sugar molecule is processed to glucose
glucose is used for energy
if it is excess then it is taken to the liver and converted to fat for storage.

>>41117116
And how efficient is that process?

>>41115924
>Actually the body fat of overweight people are the exact fat molecules that they ate

This is basic high school biology that you're contradicting right now.

>>41117165
socratic irony

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>>41117116
Just stop, he's beyond retarded or baiting, it's not worth it.

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>>41115924

>>41117197
Go on, answer.

>>41115283
Rice, potatoes, pasta, bread

>>41117256
My pussy smells like Uh-Ohs. You know, like when you do a Uh-Oh in your diaper?

>>41115283
Peanut butter, olive oil, cheese.

guys please quit putting the blame for obesity on sugar or fats or carbs
it's not fair and you know it, eating these things in moderation does literally nothing wrong at all, the only problem is that obese people are mentally retarded and lack discipline and willpower

Please don't entertain this >>41117256 retard any longer.

>>41117334
Wow, is it possible that you don't have one?

>>41117349
Your dad doesn't have one. Your mother fertilized her egg with sperm from her own.

>>41117349
I certainly have a firmer grasp on basic biology then you do, that's for certain.

10.7326/0003-4819-140-10-200405180-00006
10.1111/j.1467-789X.2008.00518.x

Read something more in depth then junior high biology textbook. Like the two sources I provided.

>>41117075
Depends on the diet.

>>41115283
Friend is slowly turning vegan/vegetarian due to his girlfriend. Lots of that sort of food is bland so he's been adding a lot of vegetable fat to make the food taste better. Also, certain things, like Oreos, are technically vegan/vegetarian but are loaded up with partially hydrogenated oils and shit tons of sugar. Due to that, my friend's gained weight and his gut back.

>>41117365
How about you check out these much more reliable sources:

10.2425/2452-235235-23523-235654-76
10.0956095609/sdfg..h54.w.sis.i.4hs.ihsiyt.4yh.i4ywyhi45.whywi4.3yh43wi..r6ff67f67f67f67

>Wants to have discussion with sources
>Has no fucking clue what a DOI is and how to use it

>>41117365
>The Effects of Low-Carbohydrate Diets on Psychosocial Outcomes in Obesity/Overweight: A Systematic Review of Randomized, Controlled Studies
>Systematic review of randomized controlled trials of low-carbohydrate vs. low-fat/low-calorie diets in the management of obesity and its comorbidities

Neither of those tackle the conversion of carbohydrates to fat in humans, and they're both derivative interpretations of other studies.
Still waiting.

>>41117420
>...A Systematic Review of Randomized, Controlled Buttbuddies
>...low-calorie diets in the management of obesity and its comorbuttbuddies

lol um d00d... why is all the evidence you're posting about butt buddies? you trying to be butt buddies with me or something? chill out on that br0.

>>41117420
Still waiting on what? A basic biology course?
I provided you with meta analysis on how low carb diet vs low fat diet makes you loose weight faster.

What do you want me to describe in depth? fats to glycerol and fatty acids conversion? Transport by LDLs and HDLs? beta-oxydation? Acetylo-CoensimeA conversion? Ketons metabolism? pirogronian conversion?

You dense motherfucker

>>41117452
>fats to glycerol and fatty acids conversion?

Yes, this.

>>41117464
OK, I'll bite. Just keep in mind that I don't know proper english terms, since I went to high school in Potatoland.

Fat gets emulgated by the bile. Lypase cuts it down to three acids and glycerol. Brush border sucks them up. The acid gets resyntesized inside the cell of the gut. Recombined fat is binded by cholesterole nd phospholypids and then it travels to liver for further processing.

>>41115787

>this is the unhealthy shit
>not ______

That's not how things work

>>41117501
Three of the acids -so called vitamin F, forgot the exact name are exogenic, and therefore not broken down further. The rest gets used in Beta oxydation process, processed in hormone production and phospholypid production. Glycerol gets tranformed to PGAL.

>>41115283

Vegetarians are less likely to be fat than meat eaters, vegans are less likely to be fat than vegetarians. Same with diabetes-- vegans least likely, meat eaters twice as likely even independently of their weight and other lifestyle factors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19351712

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>>41115889

Sugar can contribute to fatness by adding extra calories, but it is in fact dietary fat that makes up most of the fat on your body. Being that it's chemically similar, dietary fat is the easiest macronutrient for your body to store.

>>41117452

>I provided you with meta analysis on how low carb diet vs low fat diet makes you loose weight faster.

That's not an appropriate way to answer what's being asked, and that's not even going into the low quality design of most weight-loss studies.

>>41117033

why max out 5 credit cards?

people who do this are seriously stupid as fuck.

>>41117559
The thing is that A - those are not the same molecules, since fat cannot be transported through the gut without being cut to glycerol and acids, and B- if the diet is very rich in sugar the majority of fat comes from carbs. Any macro that can be reduced to Acetylo-CoA can go to a reverse Boksydation pathway.

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>>41117013

>>41115283

Fucking fish faced bitch

>>41117596

> those are not the same molecules

They're not the exact molecules simply put into fat cells but dietary fat is taken to undergo a slight chemical conversion before it's stored, while carbohydrate, in the rare cases it does manage to be stored as body fat in non-diabetics through massive overfeeding, loses a fourth of the energy just from the chemical conversion alone.

>>41117596
Okay so fat is cut to glycerol and acids but what are carbs cut to? You need the acids to rebuild a fat molecule right?

>>41115283
they live off of cheese pizza and think its cool

>>41115283
Most vegetarians just wanna 'save the animals D:' instead of wanting to save themselves. Their diets are already novegetables and then it becomes nomeatnovegetables and all they have left is grains and fats.

Oh and a banana after their morning vegan muffin because 'Slow release energy!!! Fruit is good for you :DDD #healthnut #vegan #vegetarian #oneplanetonechance #fatacceptance'

>>41117639
Yeah. The thing gets more complicated in low fat, high calorie diets since the reverse Beta oxidation pathway is the main source of fat.

>>41117651
Every single macro gets changed to Acetylo-Coenzime A. Then, AcetyloCoA goes through the lengthy process of adding additional carbon and hydrogen (from other Acetylo-CoA) and gets elongated to form fatty acid. Three of those plus glycerol and you have fat.

>>41117690
Shut up, faggot.

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>>41117694
ok

>>41117709
No no wait, don't shut up. I'm the faggot. Keep talking about AcetylCoA oF dOoM!! and other non-faggoty things.

>>41117722
>AcetylCoA oF dOoM

I have to admit, I laughed. Thanks for making my day a bit brighter, faggot.

>>41115283
Vegan here

I know many fat vegans, vegans even more so than vegetarians. This is why:

>Oh whoa, these cookies are vegan?
>Oh whoa, these doughnuts are vegan?
>Oh whoa, this fried "chikkin" is vegan?
>Oh whoa, this ice cream is vegan?
etc.

Take that with vegetarians and now add the option of cheese. I ate so much fucking cheese as a vegetarian before I went vegan. I'd eat quesadillas and grilled cheese shit all the time. Burritos with tons of cheese and sour cream and other dairy garbage. Bagels piled with cream cheese, etc.

It's usually easier to order the carby, fatty item on the menu that is already vegan/vegetarian than to think about shit like your macros or eating cleanly. I made these mistakes as a new vegetarian and then again as a new vegan, but over the years I've learned how to eat a super clean diet and I'm lean and fit now as opposed to the skinnyfat I was before.

>>41117013

I like how triggering this is to people, like they take it so personally if you say anything bad about fat

>>41115283
>Oreos are vegan

>>41117753
Thank YOU for teaching me chemistry, Smart-Faggot!

>>41115452
Did they get fat before becoming vegan?
either way, they must be eating more calories than they're burning it's as simple as that. protein in meat doesn't have many calories and it fills you up so you cant eat that much. carbs and fats are vegetarian approved and allow you to eat all day pretty much.

>>41117768

Good for you anon, and you're spot on. The amount of fat vegans is astounding. Must be rich vegans too, because all those 'healthy' vegan chocolate candy bars as expensive as fuck.

>>41117887

>The amount of fat vegans is astounding

Compared to other diet groups, it's pretty damn low

>>41117894

Other diet groups don't claim to be 'exceptionally healthy' because of their diet.

>>41117903
Ketofats do.

>>41117908

They are retarded too.

But I know three vegans and they're all small-fat to obese-fat. And they keep telling me how good they feel since they stopped eating animal products. Getting reaaaaaal tired of it.

>>41117903
a lot of people project that onto vegans/vegetarians though because they can't comprehend what you possibly eat if you no longer eat meat/dairy.

>Wait, you don't eat meat, so you must eat what, grass all day? I don't know how you eat nothing but vegetables.

>>41117903

Of course they do. They also like to claim that vegans are extremely unhealthy.

>>41117894
Compared to other groups who have a structured type of eating?
No it's not.
The average atkins or zone diet person is thinner then the average vegetarian.

The problem is usually about issues with satiety and them thinking that since it's not meat they can eat what they want.

>>41117923

>eat meat diet
>get fat
>go vegan for a week
>"yeah, I know this fat vegan"

>>41117903
Everybody who's really into something acts like a neophyte at first.

That said, the moment I became vegan I was constantly reminded how unhealthy the diet I am on is, especially by my landwhale colleagues. Even though I never claimed to do this for health reasons.

People act retarded all the time, it's nothing new.

>>41117934

>Compared to other groups who have a structured type of eating?

Yes. >>41117547

The higher you go on the spectrum from vegan to meat eater, the more likely it is to be overweight.

>The average atkins or zone diet person is thinner then the average vegetarian.

They're on the Atkins/Zone diet BECAUSE they're obese.

>>41117934

The average atkins or zone diet person goes off their "diet" once they reach their goal (or give up) and balloon back up.

>>41117962
1.We're talking about vegetarians
2.I'm not even going to read that article and I can tell it's going to be based on a small subsection of strict vegans. Which has nothing to do with anything
3.Most vegans are trying to convert obese people to veganism as a way to lose weight. Problem is, the reason they are fat has little to do with how much meat they eat.
4.The fat people who're on the atkins/zone diet are oft smaller then the fat vegetarians.

>>41115295
French fries and potato chips

And soda are all vegan

Many a hambeast eats these every day

>>41118004

>1.We're talking about vegetarians

Which are also included in that article, and vegans are a type of vegetarian.

>2.I'm not even going to read that article

Hahaha

>3.Most vegans are trying to convert obese people to veganism as a way to lose weight. Problem is, the reason they are fat has little to do with how much meat they eat.

Weird how well meat eating correlates with weight gain though in practically every long-term study.

>4.The fat people who're on the atkins/zone diet are oft smaller then the fat vegetarians.

Let's see that data. I'm curious what "the fat vegetarians" are

>>41115283
>tehee im vegan
>eats premade pasta packs from the grocery store
>veggies slaughtered in highcal sauces
>an whole baggo nutz
>Gojad Gallon of Juice a day
>A few slices of bread and a morning muffin for 900+cal
>tons of fruit with added toppings or preservatives

desu it's easy to break 3k cals + a day without meat. It's not even the meat that will make you fat it's usually everything else around it.

>>41118042
>hahhaha bro check out this article it prooves im right hahah wait don't have thoughts of your own we have to go off my premise hahahhahaha
>haahhaaa i dont have thoughts of my own hahahhaaa veeegannn xd

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>>41115283
>listening to the green jew

>>41118162

> wait don't have thoughts of your own

If you have thoughts of your own, share them but substantiate them.

>>41118184

>was vegan for about 3 of those years
>currently setting PRs after giving up meat

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>mozz sticks
>french fries
>ranch dressing
>doughnuts
>chips
>candy
>soda
>full cal SIPS.jpg
and that's just off the top
fatties eat what fatties eat

>>41117940

?

I'm not a vegan.

>>41115283
Sugar

>>41115283
Oreos are vegan.

>>41119318
they have milk dummy

>>41115283
sugar, stupid

>>41115283
if youre a stupid ass bitch how come your only contribution to the world is making a retarded annoying face that ends up in a meme?

swear to god female brains should be replaced with windows PC or something, they never do anything useful

>beer and potato chips -vegans

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>>41115283
I'm vegetarian and I'm a skinny-fuck

>mfw trying to get enough protein

>>41118004
>Problem is, the reason they are fat has little to do with how much meat they eat.
Meat consumption is correlated with obesity

>>41115346
>Lasagna = vegeterian
wat?