/fraud/ steroids general

Can someone here answer me this question, because everyone says different shit.

If person who lifts and still didnt hit his natty peak, hops on roids, does normal cycle(nothing too extreme), goes past his natty peak and decide to stop taking roids.

What happens after? I watched some youtube clips, they say your test levels get fucked up, some people get lower test than before, some same, some even higher..


Do you keep your any gains after cycle? Because when everyone discusses if someone is natty or not, there is always this one person who says "yeah but he did take roids way back in time, he is half natty".

Does that mean you get to keep some shit or not?

>>41024036
steroids are for manlet faggots

first

>>41024073
You absolutely do.

>>41024073
>thinking you will get passed your natty limit on your first cycle

>>41024073
Lifting weight to build muscle is a cumulative thing. It takes a long while for you to push your body to the peak of what it can naturally and healthily maintain in terms of muscle mass and peak test production.

Once you introduce steroids it throws off a lot of stuff.
Yes your body will remember and think that the mass you gained during your test cycle is your natural test peak and will be primed and ready to get back to that level at any time.

The problem is that you will probably not be able to ever reach that test peak again so you'll never be able to fully exploit the muscle potential that your body thinks it has.
Even worse, when it comes to the body, sometimes one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. So to speak.
While the test boosts your muscle peak, it also temp stops your natural test production and sometimes even permanently lowers your natural test production. In real horror stories it outright destroys some poor bastards ability to produce natural test forever.

>>41024073
The only time you lose gains from steroids is if you go far past your natural height, or if you don't maintain good habits after coming off the steroid cycle.

There is no reason you can't use steroids to get to your natural peak, and then use good habits to maintain that. That's why it's called your natural peak; because your body can maintain it naturally with good exercise. You will need to bulk/cut if you want to look sick as hell during summer, but your muscle mass will remain high.

Currently in week 5 of my cycle.

>Do I absolutely need clomid for PCT? Or will I be fine running Nolva/Aromasin

Also:

>When they say time on = time off... Where would this apply? Running 10 weeks of test, and then 12-16 is PCT. So would I wait 10 weeks from last inject? 10 weeks from last day of PCT... Or 16 weeks from either

Is Mk 677 a meme?

I tore my mcl and fractured my tibia a year ago and did physical therapy but it still isn't 100%. If I run or my foot slips my knee gives out and bends inwards.

I cant afford surgery until next year, but I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience with MK for recovering from injuries.

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>end massive deca/eq blast
>of course lose most of the bloof eventually
>...genuinely start to miss it in pics and the mirror

might consider permablasting, probably dead before my 30th then but boy would i leave a t h i c c corpse

>>41024177
Ask jerry about sketchy chinese peptides

>>41024230
>chinese
shieeeet nigga if they're from china then I'll just wait for surgery

>>41024073
>What happens after? I watched some youtube clips, they say your test levels get fucked up, some people get lower test than before, some same, some even higher..

>>41024143
>when it comes to the body, sometimes one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. So to speak.
While the test boosts your muscle peak, it also temp stops your natural test production and sometimes even permanently lowers your natural test production

This is an excellent explanation. You just never know. But worst case scenario you go on TRT for the rest of your life.

I've been contemplating trading in my natty card. I'm 27 and have been working out for 9 years. I recently bought lgd and gw to give sarms a go.

But after realizing how easy it is to get anabolics online, I think I'll just take the plunge.

What should I get besides test e during the cycle?

>>41024270

What are your goals

>>41024270
Look up dbol, adrol and super drol and decide which sounds most appealing

I really want to start the Tren now, but I have to wait 2-3 weeks apparently for my caber. Would I need caber if I just pinned like 50mg Tren E e3d with 100mg Test E, until my caber arrives?

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>>41024280

Lose weight and get big, but not too big.

Maybe a bit smaller and less cut than Greg plitt.

I especially don't want to over develop my biceps/arms like I see some guys do.

Does that make sense?

>>41024348

Test/Var

>>41024156
What are you running?

>>41024332
Do you have your e2 in check?

>>41024369
Yeah, seems to be fine. Haven't had any sides in months.

>>41024332
If you only have tren e it'll take a few weeks to kick in anyway, so you might as well start pinning now.

>>41024352

Are there things for potential sides I should have on hand?

>>41024362

1-4
Dbol & Test e 500mg/wk
4-10
Test e 500mg/wk

12-16
Novla 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5 as needed

Will people at the gym think I'm frauding if I start nosebleeding while working out

>>41024437

no they'll think you do coke as a preworkout

>>41024460
Ok thansk

>>41024389
Time off= Time on+ PCT.

you'll be good!

>include tren for meme cut+bulk
>eat basically only meat, cardio after every workout
>still gain weight
T-thanks water retention I guess

>>41024222
dem digits

Go for it, have someone post pics as your last will when you kick the bucket.

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Should I pin on a lifting day or no?

>>41025035
Do whats good for you

I've never lifted before in my life and want to start soon. Should I hop on the roids train right away or go natty first? I just want to get real visible gains as quick as possible but I'd like some advice from you guys whether or not it's a good or bad idea to do it right from the start.

>>41025071
Honestly just hop on the bike off the bat. If you're gonna end up doing it anyway, why wait?

Just be over 21.

>>41025071
Do not do steroids until you are in a very good routine of working out regularly for a long time. There's no one magic number but I'd say at least a year. Like you have tried a few different routines and followed them and diets religiously for months at a time, and know how your body naturally responds.

>>41024680

Tren is pretty dry. Those are just gains my friend. Enjoy.

anyone have experience with albuterol for cutting? I normally have an inhaler, however, my prescription just got changed to tablets which I have read online can help in a cut (I'm currently at 16% looking to get to 10%)

what is the better combo? dbol+adrol or dbol+sdrol?

After using Tren, I understand misogynists now.
Being emotional and crying over nothing, lacking logical thinking and letting emotions take over, I've been a simp. This is what women are like ALL THE TIME.

>>41025359
I actually just gained sympathy for my ex's after I let my estro get too high

I was like holy shit if I felt this weepy once a month I would be a total cunt too

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>>41020661
Do doctors give out HGH for reasons like that?
Also, don't they markup the price? I'm willing to pay, as I work part time at school and will work full time over summer, but I still need to be able to pay for school.

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>>41025097

I'm curious about this, but haven't tried it: are there compounds which can be run long-term at low doses with minimal adverse effect, like test can?

>>41025071

Bring more experienced means you can use the gear as an amplifier instead of a crutch. Train naturally for a few years (the actual number is individual).

>>41024387
Not many sides if you're careful with the dosing.
Don't drink, even though var is relatively safe, it's safe compared to other steroids, but a very dangerous drug compared to other medicaments.
Don't smoke, these two are for heart protection too. not only for liver or lungs. Want weed? Eat it, want tobacco? stick it.
Do your cardio.
Eat well, specially on a cycle, you can go vegan, because even if you fuck up, most of the cons of an incomplete vegan diet are completely mitigated by the roids. The effects of a good vegan diet can also mitigate the side effects of roids. You can even use the dietary "normalization" as part of the PTC, for example by turning into an omnivore or an ovo-piscitarian, if you increase vit D absorption on vit D deficient people (i.e. hypogonadism, e.g. someone that stopped injecting steroids two weeks ago) you increase their testosterone production. Same with creatine and increasing its consumption, among other nutrients.

>>41025359
stop fucking role-playing you ape

>>41024036
guys i'll be running my first cycle ever - 250 mg test e every week and 20-30 mg dbol with aromasin as AI and nolva PCT. im currently doing reddit PPL so my question is should i switch to bro-split ? i see all roiders doing 1 to 2 body parts per workout

>>41026856
You're gonna wanna do a lot more than 250mg a week. And do whatever routine is best suited to your goals. I do a heavily modified version of PPL.

>>41024503
different guy here does that mean he has to do a 10 week long pct? I'm still unsure as to how to do a proper pct I'm planning on doing a similar cycle

>>41026971
Read the Reddit wiki

>>41026989
b-but I never go there :/

>>41027081
Well fucking go there and read you stupid cunt

Why are the fraud threads so dead now? It was way more active a few weeks or so ago.

>>41027105
what if you teach me anon, I'm just confused as to for how long should I run my pct

>>41027122

Maybe a bunch of people got v&.

I have noticed that the trips aren't here as much, so maybe that's part of it.

Maybe a bunch of the trips got v&.

>>41025071
You'll be covered in stretch marks and your tendons will take a nice long visit to snap city.

>>41027131
reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki

Everything you need to know

Fuck off

>>41027165
I made a discord because fraud sucks now.

Hopping on my first cycle this week. I've already been lifting for years and did a var only cycle last year (lmao i know) - doing test e this time.

What's the best way to avoid stretch marks?

>>41027184
So according to webbit I dont have to use clomid for my 10 weeks cycle and novadex alone should do the trick, Fantastique!

>>41024073
what happens is you realise how much better roids are, abandon the idea of staying at your natty limit, read the GH15 bible and stay on for life

>>41027316
no worries, you won't get enough gains to get stretch marks

>>41024156
No just drop the dose to 250mg test e EW until you feel ready to blast again
PCT is a meme and so is time on=time off

>>41024177
No it's similar to a decent GHRP if you have proper stuff
ircbio, receptorchem/researchsarms and enhancedathlete are all g2g and musclerage are supposedly legit as well
no idea about other sources except for sarmsx/isarms/sarms1 which should be avoided like the plague just like any other garbage that scumbag Gemelli promotes

>>41024081
Fuck off stringlette

Day 5 of Ostarine here.

>>41025071
you should really lift and eat according to your goals etc at least long enough to know you can do it all properly and want to do it long term imo
also this is a great resource for anyone looking to get into roiding: ge(dot)tt(slash)98CNHaR/v/0

>>41027226
I'd join but I don't really feel like making a sock that I'd have to switch over to all the time.

>>41027384
>feel ready
lol

>>41027699
you weren't invited

>>41027486
he's right. steroids are for small loser men, who want to get bigger. Fake muscles. Losers

uk lads, am I likely to receive winstrol when ordering var? TM

Why if you cut with DNP at like 2k-2.5k deficit you feel fine except a bit of heat and lethargy, but if you do the same without DNP by just starving yourself you feel like you are going to die?

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>>41027855

Quick rundown on the fatlifts situation ?

>>41028340
Join our discord fggt
Kahuna201 at tutanota dot com

>>41028373
there isn't one

he still hangs out here

>>41027938
So Arnold is a loser manlet then.

I swear, retards are overrunning this place these days...

>>41028517
>responds seriously to trolls
>retards are overrunning this place
well, you're not wrong

>natty lifter
>shoulders and biceps covered in stretch marks
I never got 'em before I started lifting. If I start roiding should I just embrace the #tigerstripe life?

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>>41025544
The reason being low height, someone help please :( I'm doing my best to research.

>>41028762
Try the pregnancy stretch cream.

Or just deal with it.

>>41028798
that shit does not do anything.

>>41028175
it's magic nigga, dnp doesnt has to explain shit

>>41024036
I'm getting the results of my 1st blood test for testosterone tomorrow. What should I expect if it comer on the lower end or below avg?

>>41029160
absolutely nothing if you're in north america and below the age of 35

What I've learned so far is 600-750mg weekly is where you begin to "feel it". I'm pushing for tren or winny and mast next run depends on what I see my goals as.

>>41029347
>600-750mg weekly is where you begin to "feel it"

Try taking stuff that isn't horribly under-dosed.

>>41028380
Too lazy for socks

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>get paranoid about receding hairline
>buy meme oil kit
>barber says it looks fine, is thick and I shouldn't worry
>use oil for buttsex lube instead
lol

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>>41029541

>>41029541
>listening to someone who wants your money

yeah like he's gonna say no m8 ur bald and lose a customer who could start shaving their head or get pissed and not come back

>>41030170
I mean she had a good basis, she said something along the lines of "look how the hair stands out here, it's because of the thickness"

I don't know (but coconut oil makes GREAT lube)

Seriously thinking about roiding.

Met a powerlifter in my program at school and the guy is massive 275lbs. Goes to the same gym as me, says most the guys there are on roids and that he's done a few test cycles and is on tren now. Says its super easy and pretty much everyone does it once they hit a certain point. Said I should just do a basic test cycle and that its harmless.

Hormone shit always just scares me, hearing stories about guys who fuck their test production up. He says that shit only happens if you're stupid.

What do you guys say?

>>41030299
the worst thing that will happen is that you probably won't ever want work out natty anymore when you quit
your body will recover in some months from everything when you quit
imo guys are retarded for not frauding during their prime years, there's hardly any sides if you do it correctly and not for too many years

>>41030328
yeah, that's pretty much exactly what he said.

I'm almost 26. 5'9" 165lbs, got a 375 squat and a 480 SL

But I don't really look big. Would be kinda nice to not only get stronger, but also finally look the way I want to. Seems like everyone else is doing it and trying to just "do it natty" for some stubborn sense of pride seems like a waste.

>>41030356
you will never look big natty

>>41030391
I'm starting to realize that (well big and low BF that is). I used to get really down on myself, think it was just my genetics, or that I was still too weak. That maybe it was because I didn't do body building.

Then this guy kinda just told me its because fuckin everyone is on roids. Like all the guys at my gym that made me feel bad, turns out they are all on roids.

>>41030431
>(well big and low BF that is)
people say this because natties cant gain any significant muscle, they only look "big" because they are obese

>>41030459
That's what I meant. You can be big with fatceps or you can be ottermode(like swimmer otter mode) or you can be the inbetween just like a semi fit looking dude you're in shape but you aren't turning any heads but you can't be jacked without roids. Not unless you've been lifting your whole life since like 12.

>>41030493
>Not unless you've been lifting your whole life since like 12.
still falling for retarded memes i see

DNP cut when?

12-week test 500 / 4 week dbol 50.

Should I go on TRT and run DNP after the 12 weeks?

Should I do PCT and run DNP after I recover?

Should I run DNP during PCT?

How to avoid speeding up my hairloss on roids?

I'm sitting at a Norwood 2 with some minor thinning in the crown, dad was full bald by 45.

I mean I know I'm gonna lose it all one day. But I would rather it be at 30 than 25.

>>41030563
If you care that much about your hair, you probably shouldn't roid.

But finasteride is an option.

>>41030572
Fuck finasteride, already tried that shit and it fucked up my libido and made my dick not work right.

I'd rather be jacked and just shave my head. I just was wondering if there was any way to minimize the speed of the loss. But if I gotta chose, bye bye hair, its gonna go anyway no sense holding on that hard.

>>41030586
I've heard rogaine may help.

>>41027226
whats the discord?

>>41030596
Eh, it can help, it also is a pain in the ass to deal with, gotta bring it with you if you spend the night somewhere. Causes a big shed and if you ever stop you will lose hair like mad. Some people don't even get much, some people get a lot its from person to person.

It also lowers collagen in the skin so some people start to get wrinkles early. I'd rather be bald and look young than have hair and look 5-10 years older than I actually am.

One of those things where unless you look really really bad bald, you're probably just best off embracing it.

Or if you're really desperate a transplant.(Again only works if you aren't losing hair like crazy)

>>41027165
maybe they all died after shooting fake damaged roids

>>41029531
Fine bitch miss out on our fun chat

>>41030622
you're not invited

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>>41027165
I still lurk, I just can't be asked to keep up with everything and post because I'm too busy chasing poon, eating, sleeping, figuring out where to go next, and finding gyms in foreign countries.

I'm in krakow rn. Thinking of Bucharest next.

Got a half back piece done, so chest day is a literal no go for at least two weeks. Fucking blows that I can't bench.

Love the tattoo though.

>>41030726
Email me got a new #

>>41030734
Nvm I sent you a dm

>>41030795
Where

>>41030865
Instagram

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Week 4 of anadrol at 100mg and test at 600mg will be adding lgd 4033 next week. Then another injectible after the lgd any suggestions? Also still just eating fast food.

has anyone tried using long jack / tongkat ali as test booster??????

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Just saw new Kong movie and want to achieve Silverback mode.

>>41031259
kys virgin supplements don't do shit

>>41029531

I'll try this is a reliable source but you might be right slight underdose. Either way I'm up to 180+ from 170's lean mass in a few weeks. Maintaining muscle mass and leanness while constantly cutting water weight via sauna and LIIT cardio.

I might just up Test E off cruise and blast 750mg with deca or some sdrol/dbol for mass.

Currently murking legs just finished front squats. I love this day cause I rip abs at the end for great results. Getting by on newbie pip is easy mode also.

Dont worry anonbrother

Thanks for advice though, I'm working on sources but everyone is hesitant recently other than my guy.

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>>41031432
>suana

help Bros. i got my 7week bloods back. my test is 2490. doing 250 teste e3d. is that high or low? that's barely twice the natty high of 1100.

>>41025092
> Do not do steroids until you are in a very good routine of working out regularly for a long time.

why does everyone say this? what does it matter? are you afraid he might do roids, be unsatisfied, and never do them again? who fucking cares how experienced someone is, seriously. why.

>>41031477
you're either a fairly poor responder or your gear is slightly underdosed, probably the former

it's not THAT bad though. very far above natty levels, and looking at it as "barely twice the natty high" is the wrong way to look at it

>>41030255
You only need saw palmetto and pumpkin seed oil

Unless you are actually serious and not just paranoid, in which case you need Ketoconazole (Nizoral shampoo), minoxidil, and finasteride

Coconut oil won't help, keep this in mind incase your hair gets worse or you panic about it again

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So grizzly is out of TUDCA, any other recommendations for good cheap tudca?

>>41031559
Total nutrition sells Tudca

>>41031477
Or alternatively you're five times what an average guy could have, and nearly three times what a genetic freak of nature would have. Still a little bit on the low side for 250 E3D but I wouldn't worry about it.

>>41030544
I'd go with the DNP cut first, then blast (eat clean or you'll get fat again), then PCT (if you insist on cycling)

This way you lean out, blow up lean, then PCT and hopefully keep most of your gains.

Alternatively:
>blast
>cruise + DNP

>>41031195
Adrol is best oral

Deca or EQ, start loading one of them now don't wait

Hey lads, any general opinions on HGH? I've heard it can cause some heart issues and possibly shut down your natural HGH production. Is there any viability to this? If your growth plates aren't sealed is there really any risk to it?

>>41030586
Were you taking Test while on Finasteride?

You could try
>saw palmetto
>pumpkin seed oil
>ketoconazole
>finasteride and TRT dose test
>if no finasteride, add minoxidil

Also if you're gonna be roiding, use roids that don't impact the hair so much. Low doses of test (ie. cruise or trt doses), deca/npp, anavar (provided it's legit), EQ, Tbol (again, could be faked and wreck your hair), there might be some others (epi and/or superdrol, but i could be wrong here)

DO NOT USE FINASTERIDE WITH DECA OR NPP

>>41031592
If I do deca probably will stay at 300mg. If I do Eq what should I run it at have never ran it.
Also is masteron an okay option or?

>>41031622
As long as you're not blasting massive amounts for years there's not really any real risk. It's very, very expensive though.

>>41031622
hgh gives you roidgut

>>41031671
Literally no gains at 300 deca, just joint support.

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>Doctor wants to treat hypothyroidism before he gives me TRT

>>41031709
>my doctor wants to cure the cause of my low testosterone before putting me on an expensive (bi)weekly injection schedule for the rest of my life
what a fucking fraud

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>>41031671
If EQ gotta go high or not worth it, 750 min

Some people love mast, personally not worth it in my opinion. That being said I'm pretty much always trying to gain weight so it's not particularly in line with my goals.

Finally hit 230lbs so will prob stop bulking soon though.

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>>41031714
>thyroid causing low T

I just want a prescription so I can blast legally fuck this nerd.

>>41031690
>>41031716
Alright yea maybe I'll add high eq or higher deca we'll see have to see what I can get. I'm hoping the LGD will keep the strength gains I gained on the drol.

>>41031583
>eat clean or you'll get fat again
:)

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>>41031716
Also looking big bro I'm only 160 trying to hit at least 175-180 by the end of this blast.

>>41031788
>roiding to be 175lbs

Are you 5'4?

>>41031925
maybe you should consider his starting point and that it takes time

you sound like one of those fat reddit fucks who care more about the weight number than the mirror

>>41031925
Some of us start at 150 or less you cunt

>>41031952
>>41032054
Yeah scrawny cunts who never lifted a weight before and roid to be twinks lmao

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>>41032134

If im 6'3 142 lbs and start doing 250mg of Test E every week, how much weight and muscle would I gain in 4 months?

>>41032245
You still have to eat. I recommend cheeseburgers and milkshakes.

>>41032245
>6'3 142 lbs

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>250mg test

AAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ

>>41032276
What if I up my calories to 5000 a day? How much would I gain? Also does it matter what you eat? (high sugar foods)

>>41032304
Try 3,000. You'll probably gain a lb a week. Lift heavy 4 days a week and limit your other physical activities.

>>41031532
>>41031578
thanks man. i guess i got confused because i see people claiming levels of 3-4k. this was also 3days after my last pin right before my next one, so technically as low as i can get.

>>41024036
Doing my first pin on wednesday. Anyone got a video link of a how-to that helped them?

Does it matter when I pin? I think at least for my first pin I'm going to do it after my work out... really don't want to be somewhere public if I have an allergic reaction or some gay shit

>>41032163
Epic meme faggot, your Grandma share that on Facebook?

>>41032245
THANK YOU SKELETON

>>41032451
Just wipe it down, wait for it to dry, stick it in perpendicular to your skin, push, pull out.

Nothing to it m8, don't worry. I'd do it at home when no ones around, no pressure and you can take your time and do it correctly. Plus it's probably cleaner than the bathroom of your gym. It makes no difference when you inject, you don't even reach peak levels (assuming test e) for 4 weeks or so

>>41028547
Fuck off dumbass. This place needs bombing.

How do I approach a guy about being a fraud? We've been dating and he's clearly not natty. Yeah I'm a girl.

>>41033221
Why the fuck do you care bitch leave him be

>>41033236
because he just graduated from med school and should know that roiding is dangerous? fuck you

>>41033253
>i want a bunch of roiders to stop my bf from roiding

>>41033270
I'm asking because I want to approach him in a way that doesn't seem like I'm antagonizing him. I'm just concerned. He's a new boyfriend so it's not like we're that close.

>>41033281
If he graduated med school he's way smarter than you slut and knows what he's doing. Why am I responding to this b8

>>41033221
>so what are you using?

>>41031788
This is one of the worst photos i've ever fucking seen posted.
Sideways
CANT SEE SHIT BUT YOUR FUCKING HAIRY PITS AND SPOTS

>>41033253
kill yourself, let the man live his life

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Does anyone else try to guess when their favorite bodybuilders started cycling?
Pic related, I am about the same height as evan centopani and according to my bmi within range of his lean body mass (might be wrong)

>>41033542
why wouldn't he just lie?
>>41033937
you're a loser and a cheater
>>41033286
sure

>>41034016
>why wouldn't he just lie?
idk,
maybe he will maybe he wont

>>41034001
Is that Adie?

>>41034016
if he lies he doesnt want your opinion on it and you should respect that
hes a med student, he probably knows what hes doing

also its not as bad as most people think, educate yourself

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what are non meme drugs i can use to heal my fractured finger faster, and stronger.

there's got to be roids for this right? var? hgh?

>pic semi related
>same type of fracture

>>41034040
hey beb, havent seen you in here in a while :3

>>41034040
i have educated myself. im not a retard. i want to go to med school too

>>>/hm/1534971
who?

>>41034059
become a doc and give me druggas plox

>>41034044
nothing really looks all that promising for bone repair, sorry famalam
>>41034052
checking in every once in a while to see what the new trips are like
>>41034059
ok then, so then you know not to worry and that your boyfriend should know what hes doing
whats the problem?
if he trusts you he will tell you eventually, realize that you dont know each other that well yet and youre asking him to confess to a felony
>>41034066
bimbo

>>41034075
what's his screen name

>>41025035
Why not Test-C? Then you get to roid erryday

>>41034075
injecting basement chemicals into your body for superficial reasons is not good

>>41034075
>checking in every once in a while to see what the new trips are like
prepare to be dissapointed

>>41034080
something ambrose i think
>>41034102
maybe hes using human grade stuff? its not that hard to get hold of
>>41034107
s m h

>>41034109
hows life btw?

any gril updates?

Im at work atm

>>41026856
You're gonna want to do 500-600 mg of test a week and up the protein to about 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight. Get as much sleep as possible on cycle. Also, why D-bol and not just test+tren? Everybody is so scared of teen but it's literally the same as test only better. Also, I've heard masteron is way better than D-bol.

>bro just run test+tren, fuck dbol. If you want to really go /fit/ meta then go test, tren and var

>>41034109
scott ambrose?

>>41028175
Yeah DNP is the shit. Run 400 mg for a month. You will lose 35 pounds I'm not shitting you.

>>41034123
life is a bit stressful atm
working on my thesis takes up a lot of time and im also taking some other courses so im p stressed out
nothing new on the grill front, not trying too hard to make anything happen either
>>41034136
yeah thats him

>>41034029
Evan centopani.

>>41034170
>yeah
what a qtpatootie

>>41034109
whatever. frauds annoy me.
>>41034144
enjoy cancer

>>41034230
so dont date one?

>>41034245
i like him even though he uses roids. its just not healthy.

Guys, I just scooped a vial of "Black Tar" from my dealer. How much of this am I supposed to take? He said it works better than anything. How long should my first cycle be?

>>41034129
lol

>>41034265
Living is not healthy

>>41034230
sounds like you're upset that he's going to get all that hot nurse pussy on the job while you look like a pudding cup.

Shooting roids is only terrible for you if you blast it like an idiot

>>41034272
Jesus, I get that fraud is slow now but this trolling and baiting is just unreal. I blame Alex.

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>>41034272

>>41034291
uh im not fat and idc about the nurses. they're all fat.

>>41031688
Idk why people keep repeating this falsehood. No that's insulin.

>>41031690
Says you. I got amazing gains on my second cycle with 250 test and 350 deca. Best I've ever looked as a matter of fact. Was at 185 and 5'10"

>>41032554
No need to wipe it down. WHO has guidelines that are several years old that say that alcohol wipes are unnecessary.

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>>41034544
I got in a fight with my gf about frauding. She is no longer my gf and I am having a lot of fun dating around on Tinder. Some of the chicks I fool around with know, some don't.

YMMV.

>>41034544
You expect anyone to believe you're just "concerned about his health" despite not even dating for very long?

You wanna stunt the mans growth.

>>41034606
>I hear it's insulin being repeated on /fraud/ and r/steroids every day without any kind of proof, that means it's true

>>41031632
Nah took Fin in my early twenties back when I first started lifting.

On the fence about minoxodil. I've heard it doesn't do much on its own. Also I've heard it causes your skin to age faster since minox impacts collagen synthesis bu that could just be BS.

>>41034657
He doesn't need to grow using unnatural basement chemicals. Being fit is good. Frauding for nothing isn't.

DNP SAWCE?

>>41030586
Gosh people replying are so stupid..
Finasteride is indeed shit as its systemic.
So you want to block the effect of androgens at the scalp... what about a topical anti-androgen?!? Its so simple it hurts.
RU58841 from Kane
(Keeping my previously natty falling hair on 1g of Test/tren)

>>41034797
>1g test/tren
r o l e p l a y e r

>>41034797
Does that shit actually work? I just hear stories of people on forums using it with a derma roller but I woulda figured if it worked more people would be talking about it.

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Is incline treadmill cardio the GOAT?

>>41035047
not if youre on orals
calf pumps all over the place

>>41024036
>>41024036
>>41024036
whats the best fat burners??

>>41035291
fork putdowns

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>>41035156
What do you do? I need to add 30minutes or so of LISS post workout

>>41035291
Diet + exercise

Im just finishing a 13 week cycle of
>700mg test e pw for 13 weeks
>40mg dbol ed for 6 weeks

im planning on running nolva starting week 15
>40/40/20/20

I just acquired some clomid, how should i use this in my PCT?

>>41035525
Clomid 50/50/50/50 wtf is google

How much can I expect to spend on an average cycle of just test, along with equipment and AI etc?

Just as a rough ballpark figure. Are we talking hundreds of pounds? (British poorfag)

epi proviron and dnp has been shipped. Can't wait

>>41035525
You can run it 20/20/20/20 alongside with nolva

>>41034016
If youre dating and he lies to you about something like this then you shouldnt be dating. As soon as shit started getting srs with my current GF i told her about my use.

>>41034230
>>41034544
>>41034265
nvm you should dump him and let him live a happy life without a retarded gf lol

>>41035553
Dude it's cheap as fuck. The test itself, maybe about $50 if it's a long/big cycle.

The ancillaries, I'm not so sure. I get mine from ADC but the research chem places might be cheaper. Maybe another $50? But it's better to buy a few cycles' worth at once of both.

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>sick of eating food
>want to do gocbmad a day (gallon of chocolate brownie milk a day),

its 2400 calories and 180g protons.

Ill probably have 500 cals of solid food added in somewhere.

I just don't want to eat food anymore brehs, just want this choco brownie goodliness.

This might sound a little weird guys but I have a phobia of having allergic reactions, is it possible to have any kind of significant negative reaction to injecting test?

Should I roid if I don't want to get super big? I just want to look good without a shirt and be muscular but not anything crazy like some roiders you see at the gym.

>>41035753
You can be allergic to the carrier oil

>>41035771

average roider looks like shit and dyel.

dont worry theres a 99% chance you wont look impressive or big.

>>41035773
But not the gear itself?

>>41035753
Yes. Test flu is real. Inflammation at the injection site can also be severe. Just the price we pay for gains.

>>41035787
Short esters can fuck your shit up.

>>41035787
I'd be surprised if you were allergic to testosterone because we all produce it. Don't think it's possible

>>41035771
>roiding to look natty
epic

>>41035408
stationary bike if i get pumps but i usually just run

>>41035802
Ok thanks. What kind of oils is it frequently carried in?

>>41035713
>50$
>1 vial outside the US, 2 in the US for a big cycle
on the way to getting huge I see

Is glands still alive?

>>41035809
I'm not a homebrewer but I think grapeseed oil is used the most. Sometimes MCT

>>41035751
and 420g worth of carbs

good stuff

>>41035834
you mean rapeseed?

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>>41035838

>not being a george farah disciple

I bet you dont even eat candy corn all day and get in 1000g of carb in the off season.

>>41035856
I'll rapeseed your mom you cuck

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>>41024437
Who gives a fuck; get a homegym, lift everyday full body and leave humanity behind.

Fuck the plebs.

>>41035814
2 vials is 20 injections of 250mg each so a 10 week cycle @ 500/wk. Also $50 buys at least two and a half vials.

>>41036590
>big cycle
>10 weeks @ 500/wk
lol
>20 injections with no loss of oil at all

wanna know how I know you've never used steroids?

>>41036643
I've forgotten more about steroids than you know, son. Go back do playing your "vidya" and fapping to girls in yoga pants.

>>41036680
post a pic of any steroids paraphernalia you have right now

Where do you guys throw out your needles and empty vials etc? Apparently personal trash is illegal in CA. Probably a bad idea anyways.
Plshelp

>>41036693
*posts tiny balls*

>>41036785
gets a sharps bin

I personally just use an old protein tub

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>>41036785
Vials can go in the trash but get a damn sharps container for your needles. Hell even if you have to use an old detergent bottle or protein tub just use something hardsided.

>>41031535
it's the meme oil kit for moisturizing your skin, not hair regrowth. my scalp is dry as fuck, full of dandruff, and those things you just listed will only make it worse. Although with a moisturized scalp that is the next step, yes

>>41036806
Lol same here, got a stack of empties and just fill them then toss in normal trash

been on trt since I was 17, now I am 18 so its almost a year, I have noticed that my jaw is now bigger, is it in my mind only or can testosterone really increase it?

Question.

If someone works out 11 times a week, a bodybuilder, is it correct to assume he's on something? It can't be possible to work out that much and successfully recover from those workouts without drugs, or is it?

>>41037026
>>41037026
>s it in my mind only
No its in your jaw
>>41037055
No, kys

>>41037026
What happened that when you were 17 you went on TRT? That's really young.

On 250mg test cruise, while cutting

Thinking about adding 100mg tren a week, inject twice a week.
I have never used tren, should i wait until i finish my cut and then blast with 500test and 100 tren, as to not waste my receptors for the first time on tren while cutting? Keep hearing that but wondering what people think.

>>41037055
depends on how much volume hes doing
anyone can do 1 set of curls 11 times per week

>>41037249
you might find 100mg tren underwhelming but you could start there if you want.
Just dont be afraid to increase it to 200 mg or higher if you aren't noticing results

>>41037249
I am currently using tren as on an as-needed basis. On days I want/need it, I inject 50 mg. Usually days when I'm going to fuck.

On other days I skip it. Usually days I want a good night's sleep.

>>41037345

Yeah, i heard that from people,
But i also heard using 250 wouldnt do "anything at all" but its been amazing on this cut to maintain strength, and while losing fat even gaining some muscle.

So i was thinking about adding some low dose tren for the final part of cutting down.

But i also hear people saying it might be better to wait with using tren if youve never used it before,to save the receptors for first time use, to use it first time on a blast so like

500 test and 100tren and up the tren if no sides.
Because im kinda worried about the mental sides from tren.

>>41034887
Well people are stupid and prefer using fucking pumpkin seed oil instead of logic.
Derma roller is good, as well as minoxidil.
Anti-androgen + minoxidil + derma roller is probably the only stack you would ever need.

Ty for the shoutout fraud make me $

>>41037026
Started when I was 20-21.
It does actually I've noticed a pretty good difference.

I'm pretty poor, can I still do roids? I got max like 50$ to spare for them I think

How long after taking test should I get a blood test to see if my shit is bunk or not

Also, what should I expect my test levels to be around with 400mg of test-e per week

Thanks lads

>>41038150
6 weeks in to be sure, from what i remember it takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate.

Your levels will vary from person to person, if they are really high compared to natural levels you know its legit.

In my experience test is so minor that you cant even tell you are on it, so blood works probably are only way to tell.

>>41038150
if you front load with 3x your regular 5d dose you can take the blood test the next day

>>41038042
>>>41038034
A three month test cycle is only $75-100. Save another $50.

>>41024036
what temp do I store test e in? the wiki doesn't say shit about this

>>41038343
5-25c

convert that freedom units yourself if needed

Starting my first basic cut cycle of test e and var, planning on using 400mg of test, should I split the dosage into two 200mg pins a week or is it the same as one pin with the full dose / week?

>>41038482
Definitely split it. Look up "biological half life" of esters on reddit.

>>41038226
Oh I meant $50 a month so I guess I'm good

>>41038482
The more times you pin the more gooder. More frequent injections keeps hormone levels stable.

anyone else unable to cut without dnp? the sides are nothing and its so much faster

>>41038749
Don't forget that you'll need syringes and needles, AI, PCT, bloodwork, etc. So it could end up costing you as much as $300-500. Don't do steroids until you're financially stable and can afford to spend a few hundred if shit goes south.

Pros and cons of blast & cruise vs. cycling off?

>pros
more gains

>cons
you'll be dependent on it for life

Test

HGH insulin needles, inject site is belly fat. 2i.u ED for me, 1i.u ED for my girl. This looking right?


BD Ultra-Fine U-100 Insulin Syringes 31G 3/10cc 5/16"

https://www.adwdiabetes.com/product/bd-ultra-fine-insulin-syringes_1279_178.htm

>>41039380
>>41039380
>>41039380
>>41039380

>>41039370
I'd get 1cc if I were you. Way more versatile and only slightly more

>>41039391

So this?

BD Ultra-Fine Insulin Syringes 31G 1cc 5/16"

https://www.adwdiabetes.com/product/bd-ultra-fine-insulin-syringes_1277.htm

>>41039387
>25 posts early

has a good replacement for datbtrue come up? I am researching Selank, Melanotan-1, PT-141, and DSIP.

>>41031195
Jesus are you trying to kill yourself?

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bimbo has been on active duty too?

is there a good collection of high quality videos for proper injection sites?

Yes check youtube and google.

Got some insane pip from an IM vastus medialion right now. Did delts also slight pain.

>>41030255
Nigga coconut oil is the best, at least you got something of value. I use it on dry skin, if my hair's dry use it like leave-in conditioner, use it on chapped lips, masturbate with it, you can use it as massage oil if you have a lady friend over. I even use it to make deodorant with, I know I'm a hippy fag but store-bought deodorant is a scam. They make it purposefully so you will reek after a few hours so you reapply more deodorant, and then they can sell you even more.

Don't buy it in an overpriced meme kit though, go to costco and buy a giant tub of it for like $10.

Do doctors ever say anything when they look at the results of your blood test and you've got 5X the test of a 19 year old?

>>41040556
they asked me if I had done roids when I was off cycle and bloods showed rock bottom levels of test and LH, but I just denied it

>>41037026
Both. You're still young your body will continue to change for a few years.

>>41037198
Dunno about him but I'm on TRT (21) for hypogonadism. I started at 18 when it became apparent I wouldn't develop on my own and I didn't want to be a trap forever. My test is in the normal range now, I just come here for the shitposting.

>>41039128
Yeah I have spent probably close to 1000 in my first 6 months, but I have paid out of pocket for a couple comprehensive blood screens, bought way more pins, AI, etc than I needed, bought a bunch of HCG etc, I went overboard sure but I wouldn't play games with this shit unless you can afford to fix the problems if they arise

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Im losing my fucking marbles

>3 month dry spell
>sexually frustrated
>2k in debt and neet so I cant fuck prostitutes
>no friends to take pictures so no tinder
>dropped out of uni so I cant just chat bitches

I masturbate like 3 times a day pretty aggressively.

>>41041843
get a job
take pictures of yourself for tinder
and
or
download grindr and fuck bp for daise

>>41037422
I hope you're using tren base or else all you're getting is p l a c e b o

>>41043269
how is it placebo? Tren ace has a terminal or biological half life of 1 day.