Why aren't you getting free steroids?

>>41013762
HGH is scary nigga
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-hgh-for-weight-loss

>>41013762
>giving evil male rape hormones to priviliged racist white men
Never gonna happen

>>41013762
One of my life-goals is to publicise this more in the UK. My cycles are working well, but I need to look properly jacked before I start.

Then instead of going "against" the trannys, I'll make out like I'm on their side, supporting their cause, but at the same time raise the fact it's unfair that trannys get hormones, but skinny guys don't. Why not?

Planning to make a documentary about it, a proper trolling exercise, bit of Louis Theroux mixed with Sacha Baron Cohen.

Trolling aside, it would be nice to change people's attitude to this. Why should safe and legal steroid use be more widely accepted, tolerated, and even encouraged?

I admit, now it's working for me, a large part of me likes the fact it's still so taboo, because it means I gain the benefits while every other fucker I know is too scared to take the plunge. But I always strive to do things because they benefit others, not me personally.

>T would only be legal to mentally ill fetishists to turn their body into a hideously deformed case study experiment
Feels bad, man

>being so low T that you need steroids

lel

>>41013780
HGH is what is released when you sleep and recover/repair your body. When you inject you get like 4 times the amount you naturally generate. Shits crazy and lets you recover so quickly you can get two a days and still recover better than the guy training 4 times a week.

>>41013762
>puberty blockers

please god fucking nuke us already

>>41013909
It makes me feel so hollow sometimes. I had an extremely bitter laugh the other day when I saw a clip of a teen trans who had taken hormones that gave them breasts but when they wanted "bottom" surgery the doctor said he didn't have enough raw material. Meaning the blockers/hormones had given them tits but stopped their penis from growing so it's too small to even form a tunnel out of.

>>41013762
How exactly would this work?
>help me doc, I'm a big man trapped in a small man's body

>>41013909
in about ten years we're going to hear about a suicide "epidemic" as a result of parents doing this shit.

>>41014071
>Doc, my body doesn't match what I perceive as my sexual identity. I will commit suicide unless I start to resemble it.

Literally no different.

HAHA WOW YES!
BIG BEN!
I AM TICKLED PINK!
xD

>>41014096
Trannies already kill themselves en masse though.

>>41014207
Interestingly enough, turning them into trannies makes them kill themselves less than when they stay in their original sex. It's far from optimal but it's the best we can do for them right now.

>>41014236
It's a bit out of the scope of this discussion, but the studies you are citing are massively flawed and others say the opposite. This is simply not something that can be said with any certainty.

>>41014294
I don't doubt it, it was secondhand info anyway. Poor trannies.

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>mommy I'm a unicorn!
>sure, sweetheart

>mommy, I'm an astronaut!
>sure sweetheart

>mommy, I'm a robot!
>sure, sweetheart

>mommy, I'm a girl!
> Let's get those puberty blockers and hormones to permanently change your body structure and brain chemistry forever, and make you unable to ever have children. Hey, why not mutilate your genitals too while we're at it.

>kids are too young and stupid to consent to sex
>but they're apparently smart enough to agree to life changing hormonal procedures

Insane people

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>>41014426

Tell me about it

I won't be able to get legal testosterone and isntead I get a criminal offense for being a MAN and wanting to become more MANLY by using chinese bathtub chemicals and these people suffering from mental illness get prescribed pharma grade test.

>>41013762

Doctors who assist in this shit are breaking the Hippocratic oath and should be jailed.

Senpai this is already a thing. Just go to a TRT specialist. They make money giving out test why would they turn you down? They even sponsor crossfit gyms lol

The main reason people are doing this is because we've tried the treatment you guys are implying (shut the fuck up and just act like your gender already) and it doesn't work at all. The kids would grow up to be depressed and eventually become suicidal.

By giving them hormones, they can stop killing themselves and be productive members of society. So rather then you neighbors kid killing themselves, your neighbors kid can go to college and be a doctor or something.

So would you rather they kill themselves or would you rather they live happy lives? That's really what it comes down to.

I mean I don't like it either but I would rather they live and fuck their shit up then be alive and miserable all the time. It's just a difference of values I guess. If I have a son and he tells me that he's really a girl and wants to get his dick cut off. A piece of me will die but I will grit my teeth and go along with it so that I do my duty as a father.

We can't always get what we want. This is part of growing up gentleman. That the world we were taught exists isn't actually really and that much of it is beyond our control.

>>41014587
Citation needed. You have no idea whether that is true or not.

Also what is the rate of people who have had early childhood treatment who have later remitted? Does that factor in to your decision to mutilate your children because they saw it on TV?

Can someone remind me why steroids are illegal anyway?

>>41014587
>By giving them hormones, they can stop killing themselves and be productive members of society.
But the suicide rates in those people are literally the highest in the population!
JESUS do you know anything?! It does not work!

>>41014625
The russians won too many golds

>>41014236

I wish we could look into reconstructive brain surgery but now being a tranny is an identity and not a mental illness any research towards it will be:

>LITERALLY HITLER

>>41014530

Maybe in america but in my country you will never get TRT unless you are wayyy below reference value.

>>41014623
>Either mutilate my children or have them grow up depressed and suicidal until they eventually kill themselves.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/08/suicide-rate-much-higher-for-transgender-canadians-study

>-- There was a link between suicide and how far along a trans person was in changing their body to the desired state -- the closer to completion, the fewer attempted suicides.

>There is significant evidence to suggest that transgender identities have a biological origin, and there is already consensus among medical professionals that the best way to support transgender people is to affirm their gender identities. Despite conservatives’ attempts to portray transgender people as mentally ill, it has already been several years since “gender dysphoria” was declassified as a mental disorder.

https://thinkprogress.org/no-high-suicide-rates-do-not-demonstrate-that-transgender-people-are-mentally-ill-5074c09a5827

Mate, there's no getting out of this one I'm afraid.

>>41014696

Why don't we look into altering the brain to match the actual physical gender?

>>41014691
Where?

>>41014696
>One of the biggest studies on the experiences of transgender people was the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS). It found that in the U.S., 41 percent of transgender and gender non-conforming people had attempted suicide, compared to a national average of just 4.6 percent. When all of the data were analyzed, however, researchers found a number of factors that significantly influenced whether a person was more likely to attempt suicide: being a person of color, experiencing poverty, being unemployed, achieving less education, being out or more easily perceived as transgender, experiencing housing discrimination or especially homelessness, experiencing harassment or especially physical or sexual assault, being rejected by family, or facing discrimination in health care. In other words, the more forms of discrimination transgender people experienced, the more likely they were to attempt suicide.
>A brand new study from Canada confirms this effect. There, the suicide attempt rate for transgender people was similar to what other studies have found: about 18 times higher than the general population. But the study found that some factors greatly reduced the attempt rate. For example, when transgender people had affirming parents, the rate dropped by 57 percent. Access to legal documentation consistent with their gender identity dropped rates by 44 percent. Trans people who experienced low levels of anti-trans hate were 66 percent less likely to attempt suicide. And perhaps most importantly, the further along individuals were in their transitions—i.e. the closer they were to having a body and outward identity that matched their internal gender identity—the less likely they were to attempt suicide.

https://thinkprogress.org/no-high-suicide-rates-do-not-demonstrate-that-transgender-people-are-mentally-ill-5074c09a5827

You're running out of memes kid. Your arguments are based on debunked claims.

>>41014696
http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/27/threatening-violence-trans-activists-expel-un-pc-research-medical-conference/

Actual inquiry and research into these issues is not PC and is actively suppressed. You are citing thinkprogress for fucks sake, have you even read how these studies were conducted? This is how "consensus" of professionals "affirms" treatments that they profit from.

>>41014587
>would you rather they kill themselves or would you rather they live happy lives
Kill themselves

>>41014654
Those increased suicide rates are tied to discrimination. If they were treated better after transitioning, suicide rates would go down.

Seriously kid, our choices are either force millions of people to live unhappy lives as outcasts before they kill themselves or give them a chance to live happy and productive ones while admittedly fucking their shit up.

Ideally we would just tell them to knock it off but that clearly doesn't work so we have to try something else. Protestant ethics won't save these kids.

Why the fuck do you lads even care about what other people do?

I seriously don't understand why more availability and the driving down of the price of hormones for general consumers can be considered anything but good.

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>>41013762
Nothing in this society is worth preserving anymore. Just let the fucking Muslims take it.

>>41014731
I had a feeling you would point out think which is why I think it's funny that you're citing the fucking federalist as a counter point. Literally pot calling the kettle black.

Except no, read my article and they give numerous links to scientific and medical studies debunking your arguments.

For instance, the Toronto Sun is linked in there: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/08/suicide-rate-much-higher-for-transgender-canadians-study

-- The support of parents mattered greatly even when a transgender person was well into adulthood.

-- The risk of suicidal thoughts dropped 44% among trans Ontarians who could get legal forms such as birth certificates or OHIP cards with their new gender.

-- Those who experienced low levels of trans-based hate were 66% less likely to consider suicide that those who endured high levels through things such as abuse.

-- There was a link between suicide and how far along a trans person was in changing their body to the desired state -- the closer to completion, the fewer attempted suicides.

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>>41014755
>Those increased suicide rates are tied to discrimination.

Gonna need some proof on this. Does Dailykos have a science section now?

>>41014755
>millions of people
You're severely overestimating the population of trannies.

>>41014236
Not confirmed. John Hopkins will no longer carry out the surgery because it was found to not be worth it when the trans still killed themselves and had high depression rates after the surgery.

>>41014792
Would you rather that hypothetical kid live his whole life depressed and miserable until he kills himself?

You guys are lucky that you don't have to deal with this shit or have to cut your dick off to just feel like a normal human. Why not some sympathy for those that are less fortunate then you?

By your logic, if someone is born paralyzed or blind,should we just keep them like that instead of trying to help them?

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>>41014755
>millions

>>41014071
>Doc, I'm a MtFtM. Gib pills.

>>41014798
>Literally posted a shit load of links for this lazy cunt

Are you even reading the thread asshole?

>>41014824
interesting, I hadn't heard

>>41014838
The hypothetical kid should not fucking be allowed to make such a drastic life changing decision at such an age.

Thank Christ I'm not a child now or I would be considered transexual for letting my older sister put make up on me.

>>41014838

We should fix his eyes
This is a brain malformation and we should be looking for a neurological solution instead of an elaborate pantomime to pander to the delusion

Whether that be drug induced neuroplasticity or neurosurgery remains to be seen

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>>41014755
>>41014587
>>41014696
>millions

There is no way you can attribute a 41% suicide rate to discrimination.

>there is already consensus among medical professionals that the best way to support transgender people is to affirm their gender identities
John Hopkins won't carry out the surgery anymore because it wasn't worth it when they kept killing themselves.

>>41014817
>>41014841
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html?_r=0

>Estimate of U.S. Transgender Population Doubles to 1.4 Million Adults

Worldwide, this would be millions of people.

>>41014794
You're citing studies in a field where criticism and inquiry is literally impossible. Actually read the Federalist article, you'll find it enlightening.

If the support of the parents is crucial for success, why are laws being supported that allow for these treatments without parental consent?

>In another case that could affect transgender people, a Minnesota mother is suing St. Louis County, two health clinics and the St. Louis County School District for denying her parental rights over her underage child.

>The case involves a now 17-year-old who was born male and wants to make the transition to female. The teen has been able to access transgender medical treatment, including hormone therapy, without parental consent.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/11/16/minnesota-laws-affecting-transgender-people-under-fire

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>>41014755
>suicide rates are tied to discrimination
>millions of people

>>41014755
You are fucking delusional or baiting.

>>41014872
Gender dysmorphia is a brain malformation, neurological solutions are what we are applying. We're giving people hormones so that they feel comfortable in their bodies and don't kill themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/10/johns-hopkins-medicine-will-resume-transgender-surgeries-40-years/

Your info is outdated.

>>41014871
You would not have your dick chopped off since someone did that to you. However, if like these kids you were taking imitative to put make up on and dresses on and were cutting yourselves if you were forced to wear jeans, then we would need to do something fucking drastic before you hurt yourself.

>>41014838
I would rather this hypothetical child knows that they have a problem and learn to deal with it without being brainfucked into thinking they need to shorten their lives and ruin their bodies because drug shillers, plastic surgeons, shrinks, scumbags, and queer power brokers need new converts to keep their coffers full and their places on top of the totem poll secure and to fulfill their fetishes.

I would help them realize that they're not new or special or unique or some hopeless case that can never be fixed.
That they are a person who will live well and find some form of contentment and someone and try to steer them away from the assholes on the net.

>>41013762
Trans people on HRT get hormones to bring them to a normal, healthy level for their expressed gender. Empirical evidence shows this to be within acceptable margins of risk while causing them to live happier, more productive lives.

If your test levels are below normal, healthy levels, a competent medical professional will prescribe you the necessary treatments. However, going about healthy levels is known to be unsafe, which is why a doctor won't give steroids to you.

Quit bitchin. Eat big and lift heavy if you want to get swole.

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>>41014838
>used to like wearing dresses as a kid
>if I were a kid now with "progressive" parents they would have kept encouraging me "not to be afraid to be who I am" until I start thinking I'm actually a tranny
>tfw I probably would've been pumped with life-changing drugs and shit before I was old enough to be trusted with walking down the street by myself
Thank God I am not growing up today or I'd probably be staring at my father's loaded gun having realised there is no going back from what I've done to my body

>>41014883
We allow plenty oif treatments that don't require parental consent. If your religion prohibits blood transfusions, we're not going to let the kid fucking die. We'll give them the fucking blood transfusion. Likewise, if this kid is going to be miserable and self harming, then we should be able to override the parents to protect the kids.

>>41014894
Dude there is literally no shame in admitting that maybe you saw the issue wrong. I felt the same way before I started seriously researching it. Frankly I would rather people fuck their shit up and we play along with their delusions so that they can be happy then force people to be miserable.

Should we ban the special olympics because they're disables? Fuck no, it makes people with less advantages then us feel special so it's worth it to accomodate them. It's inconvenient but we should do it for people who have gender dysmorphia too.

There is also a massive push against research using Pimozide to get rid of trannies. It does have some side effects for some people but it doesn't fucking cause you to become infertile and have a 41% suicide rate.

The case is reported of a gender dysphoric patient who responded successfully to pharmacotherapy with pimozide. An adult male patient with a borderline learning disability presented with cross-dressing and a strong wish to undergo a sex change. Supportive psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy with pimozide was tried. There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then. Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.

Research paper: The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with Pimozide. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14365362_The_successful_treatment_of_a_gender_dysphoric_patient_with_Pimozide [accessed Apr 9, 2017].

>>41014919

What about surgically reconstructing the brain to be able to recognise reality?
On a voluntary basis ofc
Neurology is so interesting

I don't care what people want to do with their bodies or call themselves aslong as they don't wanna threaten me with the law if i dont wanna play along

>>41014991
>Dude there is literally no shame in admitting that maybe you saw the issue wrong
Look whos talking delusion fag.

>Should we ban the special olympics because they're disables?
Yes, if lots of normal people started to mutilate themselves to becomes disabled just to enter it.

>>41014755
This is bait. or ateast i hope it is

>>41014991
>Likewise, if this kid is going to be miserable and self harming, then we should be able to override the parents to protect the kids.

AGAIN, what percentage of these treatments end up in remittance? How many people regret this treatment later? How can you tell if someone will remit?

>>41014587
>If I have a son and he tells me that he's really a girl and wants to get his dick cut off. A piece of me will die but I will grit my teeth and go along with it so that I do my duty as a father.
>I will give complete agency to my young son over whether or not he should go through a life-changing hormonal procedure before he's old enough to consent to sex and drink responsibly

>>41014991
>Frankly I would rather people fuck their shit up and we play along with their delusions so that they can mutilate their bodies, ruin the families lives, be a leech on society, and then kill them selves instead of actually getting treatment for their mental illness
Sounds good lad. They should be chemically sterilized, along with the disabled.

>>41014991
>we should be able to override the parents to protect the kids
>the state/courts should decide how parents should raise their children based on a rather limited and often flawed body of evidence/research

>>41013762
>pumping a kid full of hormones for no medically justifiable reason
how is this shit even legal?

>>41014924
But we've fucking tried that! The kids keep killing themselves anyway. It's like telling a heroin addict to just stop using or like telling a schizophrenia to stop being so nuts. Reason and logic won't work on minds that can't handle them. We have to use this approach instead.

>>41014968
Holy shit dude, there is a world of difference between wearing dresses and these kids. You would have been safe. These are kids who are literally killing themselves because they can't wear dresses while you would have just gotten used to not wearing dresses.

These kids brain chemistry is all screwy. Gender dysmorphia is as real as ADD or Alzheimers. \

This is basically about compassion. We should just accept that these people have these problems and try to help them be happy instead of forcing them into a life of misery. Literally no other way around this.

The problem is SJW fags are literally mentally ill and put guys like you on the defensive, rather then taking offense, you should be the bigger man, recognize that these people have serious fucking problems that you were lucky to not have. Don't cave in but don't be dicks either.

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>>41014794
>Toronto Sun is a peer-revived medical journal

>>41014959
Pushing the idea that they'll never be happy unless heavily medicated or acting out some fantasy outright ensures that they'll never be happy.

Cold hard reality and love from the people who care for them is something that they need. Not to be permanently disabled and in need of drugs, surgeries, and therapy for their considerably shortened lives or god forbid till they eventually kill themselves.

>>41015070
>Holy shit dude, there is a world of difference between wearing dresses and these kids. You would have been safe. These are kids who are literally killing themselves because they can't wear dresses while you would have just gotten used to not wearing dresses.
You missed the point of my post entirely. I meant that my parents would have mistook it for gender dysmorphia (out of a combination of wanting to be extra sensitive to it and also pride in having a tranny kid) and encouraged it until my young mind eventually became convinced too (you know how kids are). And since I would have been too young to reach a reasonable decision and/or realise that I don't actually have gender dysmorphia but I'm just an impressionable kid, I would have asked for hormone treatment

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>>41014587
>By giving them hormones, they can stop killing themselves and be productive members of society.

are you serious lmao
they end up offing themselves post transition at roughly the same rates as pre transition
not to mention all the complications arising from the tansition

>>41015062
It's called progress dipshit.

>>41015070
>Reason and logic won't work on minds that can't handle them.

You are living proof. You are trying to tell people the State can override you as as a parent in castrating your children because YOU feel good about it.

Still haven't answered any question about the people who have this treatment and remit. How can you tell who will remit?

>>41014838

People who want to be another gender are mentally ill

Help is convincing them that this is true and not to take chemicals and fuck themselves up

its not natural, it can only be achieved with modern science. A man sucking cock is infinitely more normal, "trans people" are simply mentally ill and artificial hormones are not the cure

>>41015070
>But we've fucking tried that! The kids keep killing themselves anyway. It's like telling a heroin addict to just stop using or like telling a schizophrenia to stop being so nuts. Reason and logic won't work on minds that can't handle them. We have to use this approach instead.


Since when? Because as long as I can remember surgery and drugs has been pushed in the mainstream as the only cure.
Untold numbers of "brave" people who've undergone the surgeries or lives broken short lives as they all play pretend.
I've yet to see someone who is or was thought to be transgender and suffering from it but managing it and presented as their true sex talked about or treated with a hint of respect in media or academia.

Giving them drugs and surgeries doesn't slow it down. It exacerbrates the problem and almost always, without heavy drugs ends in suicide.

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>>41015070
>there is a world of difference between wearing dresses and these kids

the difference is having progressive "parents" like pic related lmao

>>41014071
Yes

>>41015018
Not really a lot of scientific data on this desu.

>>41015029
I would listen to a doctor first obviously.

>>41015052
mutilating their bodies is debatable and them being a leech and ruining their families lives is because of discrimination.

>>41015053
In some cases yes, would you be ok with some kid dying because the parents thought they should prey to jeezus instead of taking him to a hospital? We have to go off scientifc consensus. If you think the science is wrong, you have to fucking prove it first, otherwise we're giving into homeopathy and dumb shit like healing crystals.

>>41015078
it links to a journal

>>41015098
again, we have tried cold hard reality and love. That shit doesn't work except for a small minrotiy of people.

>>41015104
Ok, so you have to get approved for hormone treatment and it can take years before anything actually happens while they run tests on you. It's not something that can just happen by accident. BY and large people who transition are happy afterwards, do you have evidence of people who accidently transitioned?

>>41015112
that's because of discrimination. If they transition sooner, there are fewer complications.

>>41014071
I'd just find an early transition FtM and befriend them. Get them to get more then what they need and buy or get the test from them.

If they are unwilling to share or get the feeling that they are being used just sling them some dick. They're horny as cats in heat and love men and cock.

Any FtM /fit/izens reading this thread? Do you think this is a good idea?

>>41013762
Because I'm a man and I can't change my my gender into man?

Hurr durr.

>>41015169
>Not really a lot of scientific data on this desu.
Do the kids you are "PROTECTING" know that they're experimental test cases for your fantasies?

>We have to go off scientifc consensus. If you think the science is wrong, you have to fucking prove it first
What is the scientific consensus on remittance? Do you have to prove it first?

>>41015140
these are edge cases of crazy people abusing their children. Not the majority at all.

>>41015128
look up dr money

>>41015124
>People who want to be another gender are mentally ill
agreed.

Taking chemicals is the cure! The only one!

>>41015122
Okay dingus. Let's some leftist wackos don't want to take their kids to the hospital because they think vaccines cause autism or that some wacko christfags refuse a blood transfusion and pray to jesus instead of taking their sick children to hospital.

you're saying we should just let those kids die because of their dumb fuck parents? That's evil.

To be frank, I don't think there's much data on remitting. However there is data that clearly show suicide rates are higher among transgender people and that they tend to be lower when these people have undergone surgery and society has accommodated their gender identity. It stands to reason that the only way to help these people, at least so far, is accepting their feelings and helping them transition.

>>41014724
>experiencing harassment or especially physical or sexual assault
Those are the only actual cases of discrimination of the ones you quoted. Stop throwing that word around for everything bad that happens to a person.

>>41015210
To be frank, I don't think there's much data on remitting. However there is data that clearly show suicide rates are higher among transgender people and that they tend to be lower when these people have undergone surgery and society has accommodated their gender identity. It stands to reason that the only way to help these people, at least so far, is accepting their feelings and helping them transition.

>>41015169
>BY and large people who transition are happy afterwards
John Hopkins won't do the surgery anymore because it didn't decrease suicide and depression.

>>41015247
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/10/johns-hopkins-medicine-will-resume-transgender-surgeries-40-years/

>>41013762

I'm a woman who wants to be a man trapped in a mans body

>>41015226
>look up dr money.
You mean the guy who pushed extremely hard pro-tranny and formed a lot of the theories on gender vs sex. Which resulted in both David Reimer and his brother killing themselves.

>>41015240

Society is made up of free beings anon
You can't force people to call you a different gender if they don't want to

>>41015226
>To be frank, I don't think there's much data on remitting.
But that's irrelevant to whether your children can get State funded drugs and surgeries without your consent right?

>... and that they tend to be lower when these people have undergone surgery
Except for all the ones that don't say this. The ones you claim phantom "discrimination" is to blame?

You're literally the SJW version of an anti-vaxxer. You have no evidence other than sacrificing children to the altar of your beliefs makes you feel good. You don't care what happens to people who remit, or how many, because helping people isn't why you support this garbage.

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>>41015252
So leftists pushed a top tier psychologist McHugh and world greatest neurosurgeon Carson and best hospital Hopkins into caving in. Beautiful. This is like the overthrow of the DSM in the 90s.

>>41014587
I would rather they kill themselves or find purpose in life that doesn't have to do with their retard sexual urges that literally mean nothing anyway since they aren't trying to procreate.

>>41015310
Do you have data on what happens to people after they remit? Or are you too blind to see the truth? I have data that says people who transition are happier then people who do not. So I argue that people should be allowed to transition. I am ideologically consistent. You are a hateful shit.

>>41015308
No you can't, it's just a question of morals. I could make fun of someone for being disabled but I don't because that's a dick thing to do.

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Tell me /fit/, are you excited for your daughters to see an overweight pedophile's penis in the locker room? You know that she should be ashamed of herself for oppressing this brave women into feeling uncomfortable in her own skin.

>>41015335
Me too! But that clearly doesn't work. It's like telling gay people to stop being gay or telling autistic people to stop being autistic. It's literally impossible for them to change their own brain chemistry. It's just part of reality that we have to deal with.

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>>41015350
Maybe you can transition with your daughter or son too? Wouldn't that be neat!

>>41014874
>Worldwide

You're acting as if this is even a thing outside of first and second world countries.

>>41015370
Have you even read the wikipedia page on this? Or does your information come from Tumblr? Seriously never heard of Thailand?

>>41015361
Also, if she loses in a sport to a brave transgender woman you know she just needs to practice more. The transgender person is probably actually weaker than a normal female because of the hormones they are taking. That means they have to work a lot harder.

>>41015310
If you can prove that early transition is harmful to kids then fucking do it. But you can't because it doesn't.

Science doesn't give a fuck about your pre conceived notions. Sometimes tough love works and sometimes it just makes things worse.

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>>41015396
shit forgot image. Check the hairline.

>too young to understand the consequences of a tattoo so it's illegal to get one
>can chemically castrate yourself because you "just know"

>>41015423
Enough of this meme. You have to get approval first by a doctor which can take months if not years.

>>41013815
>but at the same time raise the fact it's unfair that trannys get hormones, but skinny guys don't. Why not?

Well you need to understand WHY the marxists push this stuff

And it's because it HARMS people, it sterilizes them, it fucks up their minds, and there is no going back once they have multilated their bodies

The left wants to see us all dead, you can't argue with that.

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>>41015417
I sometimes wonder what tax dollars go to?

>>41015417
Fucking new zealand... Beautiful place, but fuck, if we aren't retarded socially.

>>41015429

Yes, it takes months for doctors to get clearance to sell dangerous hormones that shorten life expectancy the earlier you take them while increasing tolerance to said hormones. That totally makes it better.

>>41013892
dude HGH with a good dose of test is literally magic, you can flex your muscles for couple minutes, not even lift, literally flex and build more muscle than a natty guy eating right and lifting, with regular roids and discipline you get mens physique, with some extra roids you're gonna get classic physique, if you mix HGH on it you get on the freakshow mode and thats it, when you're on that level of drugs you will reach drugs for everything, i've heard dudes using drugs that people with hypothyreoidism take, its crazy

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>>41015447
Man it's happening everywhere. The US has "Chelsea" Manning (idk if we are paying for transition). Shit like this also happens in the UK. Cultural Marxism is a disease, be wary of people who use the word intersectionality.

>>41015476
Woah, woah, woah, did you say it shortens life expectancy? Maybe I was a little hasty to condemn the practice.

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>>41015507

>>41015404
>If you can prove that early transition is harmful to kids then fucking do it. But you can't because it doesn't.
Dr. Money / David Reimer

>Do you have data on what happens to people after they remit?
Their bodies are fucked. They have no sexual characteristics of either gender.

The only ideologically consistent part of your argument is that you don't care about these children.

>>41015567
There have been several researchers after Reimer who were able to see much better results.

and you confirmed my point that you don't have data. You're the one that doesn't give a fuck about these children since you want them to suffer in silence and eventually kill themselves. I want them to live happy lives instead.

>>41015591
Name them and what their results were.

>>41015591
>There have been several researchers after Reimer who were able to see much better results.

Much better results at forcing regular, healthy boys into transfaggotry? Did they prevent suicides by chaining them up? Gotta love progress!

>>41015591
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/06/17166/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
>For example, in a five-year study of 727 post-operative transsexuals published, 495 people dropped out for unknown reasons.”

http://www.mtv.com/videos/true-life-im-questioning-my-gender-again/1704884/playlist.jhtml

Who tracks what happens to people who undergo these treatments?

You sound like a complete cultist. No wonder you want to hack up people's kids without their consent.

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>>41014724
>Having a shit life makes one more likely to kill themselves.

>Having a better life means you are less likely to kill yourself.

They needed studies to figure this out?

>>41015487
jesus christ, i had to verify this because it's fucking ridiculous.

what the fuck kind of country is this? I can't use AAS as a male or risk controlled substance violation, but a convicted murderer in prison can have the government pay for pretty much the same shit?

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>>41014838
You should need to cut your dick off to feel normal. If you do then it makes you mentally ill pal

>>41015686
>For example, in a five-year study of 727 post-operative transsexuals published, 495 people dropped out for unknown reasons.

Dropped out or were dropped out because the biased doctors noticed shit wasn't working and their study would make the cause look bad?

All of this shit is fucked.

>>41013762
The New York Times need to be tried for high treason against their country, their race (well, not the race of most of its writers, editors, and owners, but the race it primarily markets to), and humanity in general. If the Brits and Americans in WWII had a window into the future and saw this they would switch to Hitler's side in a heartbeat. Not even /pol/, just pointing out that for 99% of human history up until maybe five years ago this would be seen as something out of Brave New World.

>>41015745
*shouldn't

>>41015169
>do you have evidence of people who accidently transitioned?
Not other anon but are you alluding to how he said kids are so impressionable they'll adopt any view pushed on them? There was a very famous case in which a children's nursery was found to be a huge pedophile ring, and when police questioned the kids they all came out with horrific stories of rape and abuse.
Except it was all make believe and the kids simply responded to the cues provided to them by the police and their parents, and essentially told them what they wanted to hear. So yes kids will act totally earnestly and yet completely in the wrong. You cannot trust children, it's that simple.
I forget the name of the case but I'm sure you can find it. I learned about it from one of jordan peterson's lecture videos.
Regarding actual accidental transitions I may have an example for you. The USSR had performance academies to train their young athletes, like boarding schools. They used to lace the food with all sorts of roids without the athlete's knowledge or consent. When the girls found themselves growing beards and their voices deepening they still didn't understand, and by the time the whole thing fell apart they were too far gone and many of them chose to completely transition to male since they were ruined as women anyway. And lots of them did kill themselves, before and after.

>>41015780
I feel the same. 90% of the soldiers would quit right then and there.

>>41015433
There's some logic in that conspiracy, but if it were true (that hormones sterilse people, mess up their minds, can't change once they've mutilated themselves, etc) then why would the left be so keen to promote and encourage trans people and their "plight" over people merely looking to put on some muscle?

>>41015780
I think you would be wrong to think that the left of 100 years ago wouldn't be fully onboard with the modern leftist agenda.
But yea, this is why they advance things gradually.

>>41015882
You can't understand why they would want to fuck people up, virtue signal, and yet condemn masculinity/male health?

>>41015350
Fucking insanity
They'll look back on this like we look back on human sacrifices
I hope

>>41014126
Only difference is it is utterly irrational to think you're a man when you're actually a woman or vice-versa.

It is still classed as a mental illness, but instead of trying to talk you out of it, they just fold and say "yeah, OK, we'll make you a man/woman".

But if you're skinny, you're skinny - that's a fact and steroids can change that.

But going back to gender dysmorphia, even if you want to put on mass and you're actually already quite big - meaning you have body dysmorphia, THAT is no different. Yet standard procedure is just to talk you out of it, convince you you're fine how you are, and that's that. Why? Surely that's discrimination?

>>41014587
See >>41015944

>>41015907
>You can't understand why they would want to fuck people up, virtue signal, and yet condemn masculinity/male health?

Hmm, well yes, I see your point.

>>41015429
So you're 14 and female, you're hormonal and insecure like all teenage girls and you decide that everything is because you're really a man. You go to a doctor and sell him your sob story. If he refuses what stops you from just going to another doctor until you find one on board?
And how long does it take to get started? You say "months even years" so what, is 14 and a half suddenly okay? Is 15 or 16 mature enough? That's two long years, I doubt many have to wait that long and I'm sure plenty of them get the idea long before they turn as old as 14.

>>41014046
>Dick is too small to please a pussy
>Also too small to become a pussy
Dicklets are proof G-d has a sense of humor

>>41014755
nah you're just fucking wrong, it comes from people trying to solve a mental issue with a physical change then realizing they still aren't happy and they permanently changed themselves for no reason, so they kill themselves. like you should do. faggot

>>41015997
Its not just small it must be near micro because of the hormones. I saw a pissening webm with one that wasn't that large that ended up as a hole.

MtF trannies that take puberty blockers can't get surgery because their dicks are too small to turn inside out.

Utterly pointless either way.

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>>41014755
>Those increased suicide rates are tied to discrimination
>suicides rate higher then jews during ww2 in germany
>holocaust is the same level of discrimination as telling someone to fuck off because they are mentally ill

Here's a point -

Trans people, and their left-wing supporters, always rant on about how "sex is not the same as gender".

They'll rant about how sex is chemical, a physical thing that is literally either x or y. Yet gender can be fluid, just because you are genetically a man doesn't mean you can't be part of the male gender.

Now despite hating most people like this and their beliefs with a passion, they're technically correct there. They're basically saying "scientific facts are facts, so let's accept them, but not deny people's right to live how they want provided they do no harm to others". As a libertarian, that's right up my street, no arguements there.

So what would be wrong with saying to trans people who run to their doctor crying that they should be a man even though they were born a woman "it's fine, you might be a man by birth, but by gender you're still a woman. It's about what you believe and how you feel, not what your genes say you are. You go girl!"

That way we're avoiding the issue of paying for these loons to get expensive surgery while also playing directly into their own "gender fluidity" logic. They only way they can argue their way out of that one is to admit the whole "gender" thing is utter bullshit.

That is the correct definition of trolling - using clever logic and irony to point out someone's idiocy.

This is exactly the reason why fags should NOT be allowed to adopt
And now they are normalizing abuse of children

>>41015780
If you ever want to feel misery look up how old people feel about the world today.
>this isn't the country I fought to defend
>my father, husband, son gave his life for this
Tragic.
But fuck old people right yeah progress

>>41016066
All those old people were hippies back in the 60's though, and voted for this shit all along
Today is the most conservative the US has been since before ww2.

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>>41014587
>The kids would grow up to be depressed and eventually become suicidal.
>like they don't just kill themselves once they see how monstrous their decision was
>like the suicide rate for openly trans people aren't sky-high
>like leftists aren't the ones that really want to exterminate groups of people

>>41015029
>your duty as a father is to allow your children to do whatever they want
You beta, numale fuck.

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>>41016052
>This is exactly the reason why fags should NOT be allowed to live
ftfy

>>41016044
They have a body dismorphic disorder. As their body drifts away from their identity they kill themselves

>>41016083
Actually it's brilliant.
You make their retarded decision permanent and not only can they not reproduce to carry over their retarded genes. They will also likely off themselves at some point when they realize their stupid decision.
There is no road back for them, only death. Wow and here I was arguing against them letting fuck themselves up.

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>>41016112
good god, you might be onto something

>>41016112
Hmm, but a bit like the "obesity is fine because they'll just end up killing themselves and therefore die out eventually" argument, the problem is many of these people manage to breed before they make the change.

>>41016181
But I wasn't talking about obese people, I was talking about trannies. They can't reproduce. At best they can adopt kids and those kids usually are fucked anyway. So while it sucks they can corrupt some adopted kids life, they aren't drawing from normal gene pool.

>>41015316
Dang, this guy actually became the little girl.
What a god.

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It's insane that whites fought whites to preserve white culture and the whites lost. We're living in the wrong future.
But don't worry lads, I'll fix the world. Just give me a few decades.

Remember that Canadian doctor with like 40 years of experience and research in the field of tranny transition for children who was fired last year because he did not fall in line with progressive orthodoxy on trannies by concluding that most children who claim not to be sex they were born as end up identifying as the sex they were born as in the long run?

>>41016251
This guy. Trannies are insane.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

>>41013829
Feels bad man.

>>41014587
>Hey guys I'm lonely because i have no gf and im fat
>Can you give me a state sponsored sex robot or i'll kill myself?

Or
>Hey bros i can't go on. I'm too poor man. I'm going to kill myself if I don't get a big screen tv
>Thanks doc.

>>41016250
Good luck and Godspeed

>>41015417
I wonder if they check to see if you're taking estrogen or getting a sex-op?

Otherwise why the fuck not just scam them all for a few years and then retire on the prize money.

Assuming there is prize money.

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What an atrocity that war was.

>>41013829
Are you talking about trannies or /fit/ right now?

>>41016586
If I want to leave humanity behind as a hideously deformed case study experiment in 8 hour arms, I should get free Test too.

Why are you guys so transphobic, it's really sad desu.

>>41013762

That images triggers the fuck out of me. You should not be making those kinds of decisions until you hit AT LEAST your state's age of consent.

I wanted to be a fucking snake when I was a little kid, but my parents had the good fucking sense not to have my limbs surgically removed and my tongue bifurcated.

>>41016251
fuck man

>>41016666
Two weeks ago I drained my balls in and utterly abused snatch of a fairly hot bitch(in spite of the diesel dyke look) who's a self proclaimed "man trapped in a woman's body".
Best piece of pussy I've had in years.

>>41016703
your parents sound like squares

>>41016703
>I wanted to be a fucking snake
That is pretty low test. I wanted to be a giant robot T-Rex.

>>41016765
I wanted to be robocop.
Then I wanted to be grimlock.
Then I wanted to be a tree.
I settled on being a depressed violent loner who worked out all of the time.

>>41016792
i decided to be a cuck who describes things other than physical violence as violence

>its not a mental illness because we say it isn't

This is just retarded. There is a biological basis for all illnesses, that isn't a counter argument. Health can only be relative to some value, which is most definitely straight/CIS. I think gay people and transgender people are mentally ill; I'm not against them or anything, but how can you want to have unproductive sexual relationships or radically change your gender and not be unhealthy?

>>41016756
kek

>>41013815
I don't get it, so you want to benefit others who would like legal, easily attainable hormones that also benefit you by trolling and making it look bad for everyone?

>>41016826
I've got no beef with gay people (this is /fit/ after all) and it makes sense to me on some level. Some people just are attracted to different aspects of other people, including same sex.

Notice that no one needs to take a healthy man and fill him full of drugs and surgery and change his name and learn his pronouns to afford this, nor would he expect it, other than societal normalcy like "my boyfriend/husband" or whatever.

Some authoritarian asshole in this thread honestly wants the State to override parents and let their children's media consumption decide what to do with their body. It's not the same whatsoever as being gay, but that's a convenient slippery slope to frame an argument this bonkers.

>>41016229
Plenty have kids before they make the change. That's my point.

They can't die out if they breed and pass their mental genes down to their kids before they get their sex organs surgically destroyed, in the same way fat people won't die out if they have kids before they keel over from a heart attack.

>>41016905
It would be wrong to assume people like this are a product of genetics

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>>41015417
>We live in a world where a ridiculous plot from a fucking Futurama episode is now a real thing
wew.

>>41015429
People can find hack doctors to prescribe them Oxy and Vicodin as easily as they can find a drug dealer, what makes you think there won't be SJW doctors who give out hormones like candy?

>>41016993

google "futurama transphobic" if you want to giggle/rage

>>41016813
No, you fucktard. I'm describing myself.
I actually was a fairly violent dick back then.

>>41017051
Holy shit

>>41014959
But today's standards of average testosterone levels are ridiculous, the normal medical range is between 200 and 800 ng/DL, that's fucking huge. This means if you walk in with 200, you're seen as normal despite other guys in the normal range having 4 times as much test as you

>someone wants to eat their legs because the voices in their head tells them to
>they're given mental help and medicated to stop these destructive thoughts

>a kid wants to grow up to be a dinosaur
>disregard because tomorrow he'll want to be a robot, and kids are kids

>someone wants to put on a wig so he can enter the women's restroom for whatever reason
>he gets arrested and everyone is a little safer

honestly how can you combine all of these aspects and consider these people responsible, intelligent adults? how can you give a child the choice to do something that will impact them for the rest of their life, they should never have that power over themselves at such a young age: if we allowed this then there would be no reason to not let kids live on their own paying bills and getting jobs because apparently we want to give them the responsibility that they're obviously not ready to handle

fuck sjws fuck trannies fuck this politically correct hugbox self-destructive society we live in

>>41016021
I don't get it, I don't even remember my pubes growing in I was just trying to have fun as a kid. Why the fuck are fags these days thinking so hard about their genitals that they hormone block their dicks before they even grow in?

>>41014402
>implying most American boys don't already have mutilated genitals by the time they can talk

>>41014755
>Those increased suicide rates are tied to discrimination

So it's harder to be a transgender individual undergoing reassignment treatment in modern times than it was to be a gay man during the early 80s AIDS backlash?
Harder than being a black man during Jim Crow?
Harder than being a black man slavery era USA?
Harder than being a Jew living under Nazi rule in the 1940s?
Harder than being an American born person of Japanese descent imprisoned by your own government during the same period?

Because the suicide rate for transgender individuals is significantly higher both before and after surgery. Must be some pretty rough bullying going.

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>>41019258
As a side note, that's what I thought when Hillary shills starting whining about how "millions of queer children are suicidal now because Trump won, this is all you cis white males' fault for voting for him!" Ignoring the dystopian precedent of holding people's votes and political opinions hostage with "suicidal" teens and college kids, I find it funny that a republican shown holding a gay flag at one of his rallies winning suddenly prompts more mass suicidal intent that there was among Jews when Hitler came to power. Because potentially not being able to pee in the other gender's bathroom like everywhere else in the world for all of human history up until a couple months ago is worse than a guy who claims your people are the vermin of the earth seizing absolute power.

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>>41014587

>being so low T that you willingly compare yourself to a female being brought up to average male testosterone levels
pathetic

>>41014587
What is transgender suicide rate?

HEHE XD

>>41015112

There has literally never been a single study comparing non- and post-transition suicide rates, partly because the former number is impossible to account for since such people are generally in the closet for life whether they suicide or not.

>>41015169
>In some cases yes, would you be ok with some kid dying because the parents thought they should prey to jeezus instead of taking him to a hospital? We have to go off scientifc consensus. If you think the science is wrong, you have to fucking prove it first, otherwise we're giving into homeopathy and dumb shit like healing crystals.
>basic, long-established medicine=experimental "medicine" on which there is comparatively very little research

>>41014724
>literally citing a website called "thinkprogress"

m8, that's hardly going to be unbiased, now.

>>41015226
>you're saying we should just let those kids die because of their dumb fuck parents? That's evil

Gender dysphoria is NOT a life threatening condition, thus there is no legal reason to override a parent's rights over it.

If the child would die without estrogen/Test, yes, give the child that, but it WON'T die without them.

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"Doc I sexually identify as a big guy, I filled a government issued passport change and now my pronouns are: mercinary/bane "

>>41014096
Suicide rate dropped when Obama opened up bathrooms oddly enough. Seems when people accept you for who you are that you grow up just fine

>>41014755
You are programmed to believe that trans/un-ironic gays are actually people, most people on fit joke around about the whole gay thing you know that right ?

who cares. this whole thing has become much bigger than it needed to be

Gas anyone slightly left of centrist and any socialist without national in front.

>>41016905
>Plenty have kids before they make the change.
Unless they transition before puberty like it's described in the op.

>>41014857
>>41014824
Actually as of 2016 they support gender reassignment surgery again www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/10/johns-hopkins-medicine-will-resume-transgender-surgeries-40-years/

>>41015997
>>41013909
god didn't create nukes nor hormone treatments
>>41013762
wish you would have linked the actual column so we could pretend to try to understand before getting all conservative

>>41014991
>>Frankly I would rather people fuck their shit up and we play along with their delusions so that they can be happy then force people to be miserable.

Nobody who has ever been successfully married thinks that "just playing along" with something that is objectively wrong just to make someone feel better about it and not throw a hissy fit is a good idea.

>>41022369
Are pro tranny people so retarded that they can't read the thread? This was already addressed, a top teir psychologist McHugh and world greatest neurosuregeon Carson at Hopkins got overwritten by SJWs like the DSM did in the 90s.

>>41023553
>reading a 200 post thread
nigga please
repost sources

>>41023821
>reading a 200 post thread
Do you have the attention span of a redditor? Or has the estrogen clouded your mind?

>>41016044
Sex and Gender were and still are fucking interchangeable words with the same meaning. Both refer to biology. Most dictionaries still have this definition.

It's the various social scientists that starter re-branding gender.


Even the lefties are doing it with their "sex change surgery" and "gender re-assignment surgery". Well which one is it now? Are you changing biological sex or biological gender? Retards.