keto

>>41006782
Like yelling Allah Akbar on a plane or in a airport terminal

>>41006782
I feel wonderful

Lost ten pounds in a week and a half
Steady energy levels all day and crash at bedtime
Skin looks better
I can think like a bogdanoff

>>41006895
who is bogdanoff?

>>41007013
Do you need a quick rundown?

>>41007013
Dude!

>>41006782
it's good mang, i just ate like a stick of butter

>>41008918
what does a stick of butter eat like?

>>41007072
It's a new meme?

Feels like going from 180 to 250 cholesterol levels in just 6 months.
Don't do it.

>>41008941
If you do keto right, your HDL will go up and your LDL and triglycerides will go down.

>>41008936
not that new anymore, and its fucking retarded anyway

What's lifting like while in a deep ktosis?

>>41008972
Also. How bad is lifting during the first two weeks of keto?

>>41009050
I've been on the keto diet for about 6 weeks now. First two weeks I had big problems sleeping, and had headaches. But workouts were strangely ok. It's just willpower. The energy is there to do everything you would normally, you just ignore the headache and lethargy, go to the gym and get on with it. Once you start, everything is normal. It's frustrating to train to failure and not be able to sleep, feel tired all the next day, but this goes away with time. Now I'm through all that, I'm regularly consuming almost 60% more calories than before the keto diet, and still losing bodyfat.

>>41006782
can do less reps
weaker brain
higher sexdrive
more aggressive
can t read or talk fast
much better at cardio
more ripped
much more pimples
cleaner teeth

Barely fart, take a clean* shit every 3 days, constantly need to pee, run out of steam after about 40 minutes of lifting, no strength gains but overall decent fat loss

*as in minimum toilet paper staining

Did keto for 6 months a couple of years back but shit got expensive. Also looking back at pictures I got way too skelly

>>41008941
> 6 months of keto
you'll go skelly mode

>>41008947
>right
How do you do keto right?

>>41008941
>tips lack of nutrtitional knowledge

>>41009185
>Did keto for 6 months a couple of years back but shit got expensive.
I hear ya bro, all those avocados and virgin coconut oil, nuts, etc are not cheap if you live in the wrong place. I also eat a lot of green shit now for fiber and buffering.

>barely ever take a shit
>never ever fart
>constant energy levels
>clearer thoughts
>higher sex drive
>better memory
>more endurance
>went from a 29 BMI to 25 in like 4 months
>I can eat whatever the fuck I want, fat is delicious
>appetite massively decreased, no sugar cravings whatsoever
>eat what I want when I want
>skin looks better

It's the best thing.

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>IMPROVED MITOCHONDRIAL DENSITY

>tfw you're too addicted to fruit to go into ketosis

>>41009390
Are those lasting mitochondrial gains?

>>41009393
Replace fruit with vegetables.

>>41009393
Fairly sure a plum or two won't kick you out of ketosis. Most berries are actually really keto friendly. Avoid fruits that were thoroughly bred by humans so stick to the wilder stuff.

You start watching cuckold videos.

>>41009326
natural fats instead of processed shit like bacon

The group of people who are or have been in intentional ketosis is self-selected for gullible idiots and nutritionally illiterate hamplanets so inevitably the information they will give you is false and unscientific.

>>41009430
>bacon
>processed

Come on Anon, I know you're American but you can find bacon in any butcher shops.

>>41009436
>nutritionally illiterate hamplanets

>lost 4 BMI points, got out of obesity and nearly out of being overweight
>eat what mankind has been eating for 190k years, before discovering agriculture 9.5k years ago

Really shakes my palm tree.

>>41009133
>tfw just started keto and taking mk-677
the lethargy's so bad I feel like I need a keybump of addy just to stand up

>>41009471
>>eat what mankind has been eating for 190k years, before discovering agriculture 9.5k years ago
that's kinda bullshit tho

>>41009471
Humans have been eating grains (including, incidentally, oats) for over 100,000 years, and tubers and fruits for much longer than that.

And it isn't relevant what humans have been eating for how long.

That's what I meant.

>>41009508
Wew lads , 20 g of carbs a day from a bunch wild potatoes , really kick me out of ketosis .

>>41009500
Homo sapiens sapiens appeared 200k to 250k years ago. Agriculture allowed us more regular meals based on grain and general carbs. But it appeared to 9.5k years ago which isn't really anything on the timescale evolution operates on.
So yeah, no, all the figures I've quoted above are common knowledge.

>Humans have been eating grains (including, incidentally, oats) for over 100,000 years, and tubers and fruits for much longer than that.

Check out strains though. Look up what ancient maize or fruits looked like. They were tough skinned tiny pieces of shit that were barely sweet. We literally bred candy trees.

>And it isn't relevant what humans have been eating for how long.

Biology does kinda work like that though.

>>41009528
>They were tough skinned tiny pieces of shit that were barely sweet.
Berries, roots, etc were the same. Try to stay in ketosis after stuffing your face with wild berries.

>>41009528
>>41009549
Also, nuts.

But I think Europeans seasonally went into ketosis.

>>41009549
>Try to stay in ketosis after stuffing your face with wild berries.

Raspberries are about 4% carbs in weight, fairly sure it would be extremely unpleasant to kick yourself out of ketosis that way.

>>41009557
>nuts.

Nuts (not underground shit like peanuts) are keto.

>>41009528
yeah, well cavemen were also 4 feet "tall" manlets with an average life expectancy of 30 years

>>41009549
7 g of fibers for 5 g of carbs
I think you'd get diarrhea before getting kicked out of ketosis .

>>41009566
Chestnuts(if they existed) are all carbs. Not sure about walnuts and hazelnuts.

BTW, what will kick you out of ketosis is a big piece of cooked meat. There go all the caveman theories.

>>41009570
>yeah, well cavemen were also 4 feet "tall" manlets with an average life expectancy of 30 years

Human height actually went DOWN with agriculture

https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/the-consequences-of-agriculture-on-the-human-body/

Life expectancy was of course lower but that was mainly due to child mortality that lowered significantly the average.
On the other hand they didn't have to deal with cavities, Parkinson's disease, cancers, Alzheimer's, diabetes, heart diseases (masaai and Inuit tribes are constantly on ketogenic diets and have 0 heart diseases)

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>>41009581
Go chew on raw chestnuts

What happens to ketofags if they have a cheat meal?

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>>41009601
>Human height actually went DOWN with agriculture
this is absolute bullshit. it's been proven countless times that better nutrition leads to increase in average height. also pic related, it's what hunter gatherer keto manlets actually look like compared to agriculture masterrace.

>>41009601

>some unrepresentative population skewed the central tendency

Every time this gets brought up I think why didn't they use mean

>>41009528
>>41009471
I like how you just ignored my post. We have hard evidence of processing and consumption of oats and millet, which are high-carbohdyrate grains still consumed today, from over 100,000 years ago. You are astronomically wrong. All you have to do is put those terms into Google to correct your misconceptions.

It's also irrelevant because we have a gigantic mountain of evidence showing without a fraction of doubt that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune disease and other health problems and that, conversely, a diet high in carbohydrates is healthy and promotes a healthy body weight.
Simply note that virtually all the healthy and slim nations on earth past and present consume a diet high in carbohydrates whereas high-fat diets are characteristic of nations suffering with obesity and heart disease, such as the United States, Greece, Iceland etc.

The mechanistic data fits with the observational and epidemiological data and it takes a special kind of stubbornness to continue insisting that there is something redeemable about high-fat diets in the face of this evidence.

>>41009628
>implying humans didn't know how to set fire

>>41009648
>>41009471
>>41009528

Oh and we also have evidence of consumption of wild beans way before agriculture too.

I'm not sure if everybody here understands that you do not have to plant grains and beans to eat them. They've been growing on this planet for a really long time and so all you have to do to eat them is harvest them and cook them. Whether you planet them yourself is not relevant at all.

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>>41009648
>gigantic mountain of evidence showing without a fraction of doubt that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease

Where are proof

>>41009636
>gigantic mountain of evidence showing without a fraction of doubt that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease

Most recent metastudies actually disprove that old-ass 1960's study that was funded by the sugar industry in its quest for a new culprit.

>>41009648
I agree with you that in fruit, nut and grain season humans weren't in full keto, but this is also complete bullshit

>It's also irrelevant because we have a gigantic mountain of evidence showing without a fraction of doubt that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune disease and other health problems and that, conversely, a diet high in carbohydrates is healthy and promotes a healthy body weight.

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>>41009636
wtf are you on about, those niggas are tall as fuck and have been on ketosis since day 1, they only eat meat and drink blood/milk from their cattle

Before you go full retard on milk, a female ox only has milk when she has a veal, so it's not like they can literally milk them all year long, most of it has to go to its offspring, obviously

But enough about the origins of keto.

People can o it for a reason, end of story.

Let's talk about practical tips and shit.

>>41009709
People in keto will tell you it's great, people who dislike keto will tell you it's bad and confirmation bias/nutritional illiteracy.

>>41009635
You're supposed to have a carb refeed every week.

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>>41009748
>You're supposed to have a carb refeed every week.

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>>41009458
Not him but unprocessed bacon is rare as fuck these days. I make pork belly strips sometimes and I'm an exception

There's a reason bacon is the number one worst food on the planet for your health and it's because people are completely ignorant to just how processed and shit it is

These nigas are not in keto, not even on atkins because it's almost all protein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGVdYiM5IXw

>>41009764
>bacon is the number one worst food on the planet for your health

??????

>>41006782

I went hardcore ketosis plus calorie deficit for like a month.

Things I remember:

>breath constantly tastes/smells bad
>pooping frequency reduces significantly
>every poo is now liquid shit
>hunger is generally reduced which makes it easier to stick to deficit
>sugar and carb cravings still kind of exist so sticking with keto is kind of tough on a daily basis

>>41009165
>much more pimples
Really? I thought it helped acne go away

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>>41009776
?

We've known for years that processed meats are most of what cause food-borne cancers and that bacon is about as bad as processed meats get. It's at the top of most causal links for cancers, heart disease and more

Common sense.

>>41009810
>seeking calorie deficits in keto instead of letting your upgraded appetite handle itself just fine

>>41009832
You're supposed to let your body burn its own fat, that's the whole point.

>>41009831
>Cut a slice of dead pig
>Smoke it

>Most processed food


Niggah , how many level of retard are you on ?

>>41009852
After a while your appetite just does the trick itself.

>>41009856
I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

In case you aren't and you're just retarded- I already said pork belly is unprocessed/fine

>>41009898
What the fuck do you think bacon is?

So wait
Can i do keto, not go on a deficit and still lose fat?

>>41009916
No but it won't take any effort to run a deficit if you're overweight. After a few weeks of keto, it's nearly impossible to significantly overeat.

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>>41009911
>American "Bacon"

>>41009911
Oh you are trolling. Good job, made me reply.


>>41009916
No, body recomposition is great but will not make you lose weight. Calorie deficit is the only way to lose body weight.

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>>41009950
Not sure what you're on about but bacon is sliced and smoked pork belly. Or is "bacon" something entirely different in your african tongue-clicking language?

>>41009984
>I'm trolling so hard to pretend bacon is healthy and unprocessed that I'm randomly making fun of africa
Work on your edginess, it's embarassing

>>41008972
>deep ketosis
Can you guys stop? It's fine, Not great for high intensity but GOAT for endurance.

>>41009050
I don't know but it takes time for your body to adapt to keto. First its gotta deplete glycogen, then produce ketones, then stop pissing, breathing and sweating them out, then finally epigenetic markers activate to prefer to use them. The whole thing can take 2-6 weeks I think.

>>41010068
> The whole thing can take 2-6 weeks I think.

WTF I only planned to do a month of this shit at first.

And what hapens when you take a day off and eat a lot of protein and moderate carbs? Have to start from the beginning?

>>41009559
Yep. If you've had a carbless day, you could eat a full pound of them and maintain ketosis.

>>41010106
>WTF I only planned to do a month of this shit at first.

Why? It's literally the god-tier eating paradigm.

>And what hapens when you take a day off and eat a lot of protein and moderate carbs? Have to start from the beginning?

No. It depends on your genetics but it will only set you back 24-72 hours from where you were.

>>41010134
>Why? It's literally the god-tier eating paradigm.
It's a pain in the ass to maintain because literally everything is either too high in protein or is sugar (even shit like cucumbers, onions, spinach)

>>41010167
>Too high in protein
That's not how it works. First off, macros are measured by calorie not gram, in case you didn't know. I'm currently eating chicken thigh which is like 68.5% protein by calorie. i'm also eating butter. My macros will be perfect.

>>41010227
If you eat a lot of raw protein at once you get an insulin release like from sugar.

>>41006794

An exhilarating and liberating pathway to total bliss?

>>41007072

Kek

>ACTIVATE IT

>>41008970

Someone doesn't have an

>>41007072
Can I get a basic gestalt?

>>41009648

Big claims from a little babby

Post sauces or be ignored

>>41009489
The lethargy goes away with time, just depends person to person. For me it was just shy of 2 weeks. Like I say though, it's just willpower. There's a reason we all train and monitor macros - fitness and aesthetics. If you want it, push yourself to get through it.

What's the better memory/story to have...
"I did keto and sat 2 weeks on the couch feeling sorry for my lack of energy" or
"The first two weeks sapped my energy, but I fucking went to the gym and powered through anyway"
?

If there's willpower, then make the body do what it's told. Ignore the drain. Fuck the supplements. Get to the gym. Go now.

>>41010243
>raw protein

>>41010243
Then pair it with butter. It's not rocket appliances.

>>41010317
Butter is probably not enough, you need to eat some fiber heavy shit like greens I guess. But then you eat more carbs.

>>41010327
Wrong.

highsteaks.com/fiber/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

>>41010327
An avocado would be a better choice for fiber on keto.

>>41010338
>Wrong.

What is wrong?

>>41010347
Yeah, avocados were made for keto but you need all kind of vitamins anyway.

The point is that you can't just eat meat and stay in ketosis. You must be careful.

>>41010353
You must be 18 years old to post here.

>>41010391
Exactly, and more importantly you must be able to express your criticism in full sentences.

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>>41010398
You made three statements. One about butter, one about fiber, and one about carbs. I said wrong and posted a link that includes the word "fiber" in it. And you cannot figure out to which statement I object?

Are you a retard?

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>>41010415
I only made one statement and if you call this "expressing your criticism" then I pity your teachers and parents. This is not daycare, kid.

>>41010465
>I only made one statement
>He hasn't learned how to break down a sentence yet.
You said:
>Butter is probably not enough, you need to eat some fiber heavy shit like greens I guess. But then you eat more carbs.
This is three full statements:
One about butter;
>Butter is probably not enough,
One about fiber;
>you need to eat some fiber heavy shit
And one about carbs;
>[but then] you eat more carbs


And I responded about fiber, making it clear which statement I was responding to: the only statement that included the word fiber.

So are a lifelong remedial student or are you actually underraged? Retarded or a liar, anon? Perhaps both but at least one of these.

>>41010465
>"expressing your criticism"

Read the link then. Why would i rewrite and article when you can just click and read the same information? Isn't that an unfair burden, anon?

highsteaks.com/fiber/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

>>41010642
>>41010661
As I said, this is not daycare. I have no obligation to spoon feed you what the conversation was about. You chimed in, not me. Now let the adults talk please.

Go on a 7 day fast and experience clarity, go on a 28 day fast and experience enlightenment

>>41010696
>>41010268
>I just turned 22, I'm such an adult
OK my man, we all got it.

>>41009672
>>41009678
>>41010268
>I don't understand how scientific consensus is established
Cool

>>41010742
There's no consensus on that. All the 60's nonsense was thrown out as the authority figures that held a stranglehold on funding and decision making died out.

>>41010742
Science shouldn't be consensual. It should be definitive.

>>41009381
This.
But here are some downsides I experienced...
>transition into keto is absolute fucked up but it lasts only for around 3 days
>shit is hard as hell and destroys your bhole
>Lifts go down a bit and you need slightly longer rest phases

>>41009763
Well he is kinda right. But obviously like only once per week as absolute maximum with moderate carbs and a depletion workout after, because transition into ketosis sucks

After something like half a year of trial and error I've sort of naturally slid into more of a moderate carb/high fat/moderate to high protein way of eating. It seems to keep me in more of a mild ketotic state rather than deep "clinical ketosis." Which has a different definition depending on the expert and the context. I get alot of the same benefits I did from a compressed eating window and strict ketogenic without having to worry as much about my carb intake. I will say that doing a keto diet on top of a compressed eating window for a month or two(from my experience) seems to be the most efficient way to "get in"without set backs like headaches and brain fog. I experienced no brain fog or lethargic-ness with the compressed eating window where as doing it completely nutritionally seems to lead to these issues for a few days. Does anyone else have similar experiences to this, and have you tried it different ways?

>>41009832
I eat 6000 calories daily if I eat when I'm hungry and about 4000 of that is fat and protein so I really doubt that would work for me.

>>41011916
I think what he's saying is that your hunger goes away.

>>41011916
What I'm saying is carbs fuck with your hunger and appetite. Going into deep keto makes it hard to overeat.

>>41006782
I like it but it always fucks my sleep. I finally decided to try 5-HTP while I'm on keto and so far so good. I can sleep through the night again. Also supplementing with L-Tyrosine.

I'm three days in. I'm not getting any cravings for carbs so far. The diet is quite pleasant actually. Not sure if I'm in ketosis yet.

>>41007013
seriously guys? nobodys going to help him out?

-Rothschilds bow to Bogdanoffs
-In contact with aliens
-Possess psychic-like abilities
-Control france with an iron but fair fist
-Own castles & banks globally
-Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)
-Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth
-First designer babies will in all likelihood be Bogdanoff babies
-both brothers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51
-Ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
-They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
-You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now
-The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader’s first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Bogdanoff bunker in Wilkes land?
-They learned fluent French in under a week
-Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There’s no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff
-The twins are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
-In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don’t know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they’re benevolent beings.

>>41011916
So, 2000 calories per day is carbs? Of 6000 that's 33%. Are you sure you're in ketosis? 2000 carb calories is enough to feed the brain in sugar so there's no need for your body to adapt to ketones.


>>41012270
Unlikely. It takes time for your body to deplete reserves and adapt to fat as the primary energy source. It varies person to person, but it takes up to 6 weeks to be in ketosis. You can buy those test strips to be sure, but 3 days seems highly unlikely. Consider your body has been primarily fuelled by carbs for years, 3 days isn't much to stimulate such a radical change.

>>41012533
>It varies person to person, but it takes up to 6 weeks to be in ketosis.
This is wrong. It takes days to be in ketosis, it takes weeks for your body to fully adapt to ketosis.