water fasting

>>40976256
No, why the fuck are you starving yourself?

>>40976256
wtf why are you doing this.

>>40976256
Show me where the meme touched you.

>>40976309
because scientific research shows that fasting has tremendous health benefits and is an excellent way to lose weight.

>>40976256
Yes.

take some salt

>>40976326
Not when you do it for 3 fucking days you literal retard

>>40976256
Why are you doing it at all?

>>40976326
Just lower your carb intake if you want to lose weight stupid fuck.

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>>40976336
This is the only correct answer

As an alternative you could eat sodium rich foods. Make sure they have a low water content though.

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>>40976340
educate yourself.

>>40976340
3 days is the best amount of time to fast you fucking faggot

Hahahahaha I've seen some dumb shit and then there's this

>>40976374
Is this study peer reviewed? If not, this data sheet is shit.

>>40976374
I've only ever started bodybuilding to raise my REE levels ty fit

>>40976374
>REE

>>40976256
Takes several days for your body to adapt, you'll get used to it. Plus the health benefits are incomparable.

found the study in question

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1511.long?view=long&pmid=10837292

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fasting gets rid of fat.

>>40976418
>raise my REE levels
Why don't you just spend some time on /pol/ anon?

>>40976340
You're a moron

>>40976256
Sounds like you're doing it right, OP. I just wouldn't go past 5 days. From what I understand, at that point the majority of what your body starts to eat is muscle instead of fat.

I did a 3-day water fast once and it only got sorta bad for me around the end of day 3. Of course, my body had time to prep since I had been doing intermittent fasting for 6 months beforehand.

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>so desperate to lose weight that you stop eating altogether
>all those retard ITT supporting OP

Remember folks. Anytime you ask advice on /fit/, these are the people answering you.

>>40976494
/pol/ is more autistic than /fit/. He will raise his ree levels even higher

>>40976541
>ignoring all the studies that prove it's actually beneficial

A couple hundred years ago, you'd be one of those idiots who thought the Earth was flat because you couldn't see it curving in the distance.

>>40976571
>not linking said studies

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>>40976603
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370421/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21106691

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319710

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27569118

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17372321

Drink water fag
Just don't eat for a while

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I'm almost at 100 hours of fasting.

OP: Make sure you drink salt water and use Epsom salts.

>>40976360
This tbqh

>>40976571
not >>40976541
I would genuinely like to see some of these studies. Can you provide 3 links?

>>40976374
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>40976256
i am on day 1 and and feel amazing

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>>40976357
>le carbs are bad meme

>>40976326
'autophagy' I believe its called, more for the idea of cleansing ones self as we are more evolved for intermittent fasting than a continuous supply of food.

Have considered a fast myself however does sound brutal.

Also dont trust your farts, chances are you will shit yourself.

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>>40976256
this is now a fasting motivation thread

I'm on 40 hours. The ghrelin induced hunger pains are barely noticeable and easily defeated. I'm drinking mostly water and one or two glasses of salt water a day. I went for a 15 minute jog. I feel great and there's no stopping in sight.

I have 8-10lbs to lose til I can see abs and I'm going to go as fast as possible to the finish line.

I'm just going to ignore the CICO cunts because they're literally insufferable morons.

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>>40978268
> le carbs aren't bad meme

>>40978214
audible kek. man thanks.

>>40978313
>not eating for 40hrs to lose weight
>disproves CICO
I think that fast is killing those last few brain cells you have

I fast daily 24 hours. There is always at least 24 hours between my last and first meal.

If I go longer than that, I get extreme diarrhea when I resume eating. 30 hours without food and when I started eating in 5 minutes I had to go to the toilet and spend there the next 30minutes.

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>>40978313
>CICO is retarded
>I'm going to not put any calories in my body for 40 hours so I can lose weight

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>>40978450
>>40978383
(you)

>>40978481
no even close faggot

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>>40978481
Is this a ruse, or are you genuinely this retarded?

>>40978313
45 hours here, looks like we started around the same time in the last thread.

Doing water/coffee/diet sodas, but figure I should cut out the diet sodas next time for the full cleanse. It's my first time doing any kind of fasting so I don't feel too guilty about it.

Ran 22km at 5:10/km earlier, burned about 2k calories from that. Trying for 60 hours for the fast, but will probably raise it to 72 next time I try.

>>40976256
Yes and no. It's completely normal to feel like shit the first few days of a fast. It gets much better afterwards. Also, 3 days is way too short for a fast to have any beneficial effects.

>>40978504
Yeah definitely cut them soda's out. It's tough but it gets easier. That Jimmy More dude said its like exercising your fasting muscle. He's right, I've been trying and trying and this time is definitely the one I go for the longest PR I can.

I'm way out of shape though so 15 minutes was a lot for me, fucking HR shot up to 189. That's incredible though man, keep it up. My mind feels on fire, kinda hard to calm it down for bed. Feel sharp as a tac.

>>40978554
Half way through the run I felt like I had some kind of enhanced runner's high. idk if it was just a placebo, but it was pretty amazing either way.

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>>40978579
Might be placebo but who cares, it inspired you. To be honest reminding myself of all the incredible things fasting can do for you is what keeps me going. I've poured over countless hours of Dr. Fung's material, absolutely love the guy.

I started a fast at 6am today and will end it at 6am tomorrow. It's short I know but it's my first ever so I'm starting small. What's this I'm hearing about salt?

>>40976256
>water fast
>Am I doing this right?
You're fasting on water. You're not fucking doing it right. You're a fucking idiot.

>>40976326
There's a difference between starving and fasting. You're doing an african style fast - i.e. starvation.

>>40978627
All I know is salt is really good for you and it won't inhibit autophagy. That's why I drink a cup or two a day of salt water. You can do it without just fine, though.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2014/05/13/salt-is-good-for-you/

>>40978670
Oh I thought it was a necessary part of the fast or something. That's good to know though thank you, I'm gonna check that article when I have time. Anything healthy I can just add to some water is nice.

>>40976505
>I just wouldn't go past 5 days. From what I understand, at that point the majority of what your body starts to eat is muscle instead of fat.
Takes way more than 5 days in general. Only when your fat reserves are nearing depletion does the body switch to a mostly proteic metabolism. Before that, it does use about 20-30 g/day of proteins for gluconeogenesis. Still much less than the amount of fat it uses.

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>>40976731
104.5 hours of fasting and my breath now smells fruity. I guess it took this long because of all those years of eating 4+ slices of bread every day, but it feels fucking good that it's finally happened.

>>40978736
God speed homie. Are you doing it for the weight loss? If so how much you looking to lose?

>Studies show

kys

>>40978769
Thanks. I'm fairly thin everywhere except my belly, which means that I'm at least a bit insulin resistant. Gonna just keep going until the belly's gone, or until I can't resist food anymore.

I think once I start eating I'll do keto with a few 24 hour fasts per week.

>>40978407
So you eat one meal a day in a few minutes or do you mean you fast 12 hours?

>>40978811
I honestly don't know what I"m going to eat after this diet. My main perogative is staying away from refined carbs and processed meats. More of a paleo diet. I have like 10 lbs to lose though so this is going to be a religious scale fast. I'm fucking tired of being fat, I was 205lbs when I started the counting calories meme last new years. Lost like 10 pounds but I was miserable.

I'll be around 165, 160 when I finish this fast. Feels good.

>>40978847
What fasting protocol are you doing?

I might also eat some carbs (~100g) on training days. Just because today's workout was pretty terrible.

>>40978877
Yeah just eat all those carbs in one sitting and you should be fine. Won't take long for your body to burn through them.

As far as my protocol goes I was doing just black coffee and water with a few glasses of salt water a day. But I've heard good and bad things about black coffee as it pertains to autophagy so I'll switch on and off days where I drink it and don't.

I'm way out of shape, went for a 15 minute run today and was destroyed, will probably have a rest day tomorrow depending on how I feel. I'm on 40 hours now, going as long as I can.

>putting yourself through the hell of extended fasting

>not doing IF and eating once every 24 hours

>>40978950
You get more benefits from extended fasting, also I could use the weight loss so why the fuck would I play around.

>hell

Ghrelin drops steadily after day 2 and I feel amazing.

>>40978917
Nice. Seems like you have the right idea - I think you'll lose fat much more easily than you did with the CICO meme. Good luck.

>>40978950
One meal a day eventually stops working for fat loss.

>>40978966
you risk having a massive binge after a few days of fasting and losing all of your progress, gaining back what you lost plus water weight

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>>40978975
>I think you'll lose fat much more easily than you did with the CICO meme
Do people this stupid really post here

>>40978975

>One meal a day eventually stops working for fat loss.

source: my ass

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>>40978975
You too, player.

>>40978811
>I'm fairly thin everywhere except my belly, which means that I'm at least a bit insulin resistant.
Please elaborate

>>40978313
>CICO cunts because they're literally insufferable morons.

.......................................................................................................... but you are a "calories in/calories out" ' ' ' ' c u n t ' ' ' ' yourself.. you realize fasting is the most extreme version of limiting your "calories in" while maintaining your "calories out?" ........................... thus, the reason your fasting works at all is because of... calories in/calories out...... ?

There are some pond frogs who match your IQ.

Is this legit, or are people ITT just trying to justify an eating disorder?

I've been cutting for months and the last ~5 lbs just won't go. They are all on my fucking thighs, and it's becoming ridiculous. Everything else on me is completely lean except my legs.

I've been dieting for so long, I'm miserable and I've started bingeing a lot more frequently. I need to get rid of this leftover fat soon or this will turn into an eating disorder.

I already do IF. Doesn't full on fasting cause unbearable cravings? Will this work for stubborn fat? Shoot me an article on this or something

>>40978991
If you can last a few days of not eating, chances are you can limit yourself coming off. Personally I got full extremely quickly after.

>>40979764
Stats?

>>40978975
>One meal a day eventually stops working for fat loss.
You're right. You wont lose any fat, even if that meal is under your TDEE.
You only lose muscle, all the fat will stay there. Your bf% will only increase.

>>40979879
>You only lose muscle, all the fat will stay there.
Can't tell if srs or not

Is this possible? Can fat be so stubborn that you just don't fcking lose it ever, and muscle goes instead?

>>40976571
The earth is a triangle dumbass

>>40976256

>Be me
>sick as fuck
>Sore throat, don't eat for a week
>Pretty much just a glass or three of water and Fisherman's Friends for a week
>Never hungry at all


Get on my level.

>>40978627
you need to consume salt to maintain proper electrolyte balance in your body. If you only drink plain water for a long time you'd end up with hyponatermia.

>>40979902
No I was memeing. That guy is literally retarded.

>>40979677
abdominal fat is the most unhealthy kind of fat you can have, with abdominal waist circumference correlated with negative health outcomes far more than simple weight or bodyfat percentage. If you have a lot of abdominal fat you need to worry.

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>>40979987

Unless you're a colossal fatass with no muscle, going longer than 48 hours seems excessive. At a certain point around the 24 hour mark, your body starts to catabolize muscle.

However, if you're indeed a fat fuck, then go for it. Wouldn't recommend longer than 72 hours though since your metabolism will start to slow down around that point. Get your electrolytes too: sodium, magnesium, and potassium, so you don't fucking die.

>>40980054
>Wouldn't recommend longer than 72 hours though since your metabolism will start to slow down around that point
what are you basing that on? your ass?

>>40976256
Keep going OP, you're almost there. After day 3 you'll feel much better, I promise.

>>40980054
You don't lose muscle on a fast if you there is fat stored, fuckhead.
>b-but you lose protein on a fast

Muscle isn't the only thing made of protein, and your body releases fucking HGH on a fast to rebuild what it does tear down. Why don't you research it a bit before you fucking hurt yourself kiddo.

How are your lifts on a fast.
Cant imagine lifting on a completely empty stomach.

>>40980100
Absolute dogshit. Highly recommend doing a deload week (50% of your 1rm for reps)

Deload weeks are good every now and then.

>>40980135
Yeah I only started lifting again recently so I dont really want to fuck with my plan right now.

Might fast inbetween lift days though.

>>40980167
Personally I feel what I ate the day before heavily impacts my lift day after, but I lift in the mornings, and don't eat before the gym.

>>40980097
>>40980064
Calm down, fatties.

If you really want to fast for weeks at a time, go ahead. It's not like either of you have any lifts to maintain.

im starting my taco bell chalupa diet

life is too short to not be eating this glorious stuff

>>40980244
Nice argument dipshit. You have nothing to add, you're worthless. The only reason I'm replying is that I need you to know that you have no value. You've actually reduced the argument to insults. You're less than nothing.

>>40976620
Nobody else has pointed out that you're completely full of shit. Only one of those is relevant to losing weight via fasting, and it describes alternating-day fasts vs general caloric restriction, with no conclusion more substantial than "both work."
Everyone else saw you posted articles, assumed they actually supported your argument, and didn't read them. Fuck you.

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>>40976485
>-5 days
Wat

>>40980454
days of normal eating before starting the fast? Is that really so hard to figure out?

>>40980468
I just needed a quick way to show off my improved collection of befuddled anime girls with question marks around them.


Still sounds kinda stupid tho.

Is this entire thread bait? Are there retards on this board unable to lose weight without destroying their bodies with gimmicky bullshit like this?

>>40980540
>the only kind of fasting that actually has an effect
>it is well studied and understood
>"gimmicky bullshit"

>>40978655
whats the difference?

gonna give this a go for 2 days and see if it's worth it.

I think I'd rather fast for 2 days and eat at maintenance for the other 5, than eat rabbit portions for 7 days.

>>40980708
The first 2 days are the toughest. After two days your hunger hormones go away so you might just wanna keep going if you can make it that far. Don't get discouraged if you can't do it the first try the body has to get acclimated.

Drink lots of water. You can drink black coffee and salt water if you like.

>>40976374
>turns out you loose weight from starving yourself
Who would have thought?

>>40980901
I've only been able to do 1 day before. It's not the hunger pangs but the boredom and just wanting to eat for the sake of eating that gets to me.

I would go for longer but won't that fuck up my lifts even more?

>>40981047
A common misconception is that you will lose muscle mass. I guarantee you that you won't. Your body switches fuel sources from glycogen to your fat storage. Some protein is lost but its not all muscle mass, and HGH is released to rebuild what is broken down. Its a renovating process.

Don't lift too hard on a fast, I'm not sure what your goals are. But try lifting after you acclimate and listen to your body. I've heard great things about exercising like making them more efficient, destroying old and damaged proteins. Making them more efficient and smarter in the sense that they can now use fat for energy and not only sugar.

I really don't wanna site all this shit because I'd have to look up all the studies, but if you research it yourself you'll find it.

>>40981122
I've heard great things about exercising while fasting*

>>40978326
this

>>40981122
My goal is to look good, I don't care about being really strong. Though I've been cutting for so long that my lifts are basically nothing now. So ideally I don't want them to get even worse.

But if this speeds up my cut so i can finish it sooner then so be it

I'm on day 2 of water fast but I'm going home to mommas house this weekend so I'm going to max the fuck out and then pick back up next week.
feel fantastic right now though, i have a lot of energy and I'm happier than i have been in a while. i still can't resist mommy's home-cooked goods though

Sounds like a pretty stupid plan OP.

How is it impacting your work/life?

You do work right? Anything physical?

Fasting and such is best left to when you have a string of uninterrupted rest days.

>>40981213
fasting to lose my big boy boobies btw. i lost 40 lbs over ~7 months but still have man titties at 5'11 145

>>40981176
The thing about cutting is it actually WILL make you lose muscle mass. Fasting will not. I know that sounds crazy.

Cutting lowers your metabolic rate with your lower calorie intake. So you just end up burning less and eating less. You will feel like shit and be miserable the entire time. Give fasting a try, I'm sure you'll love it. I can link you some youtube vids if you like. I like to watch them when I'm bored for motivation not to break the fast. Its much easier to follow through when you think of all the benefits.

>>40981233
t. someone who has never fasted and has no idea what he's talking about.

>>40976256
Fasting puts the body in the backup state where it takes energy from your muscles first

Enjoy losing all your gains you dumbcunt

>>40981236
yeah I know man, i've lost some lbs of muscle cutting definitely. isn't fasting also cutting though?

send those yt vids through

>>40981290
It works on the metabolism differently. That is explained in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk

let me grab some more.

>>40981290
I like the longer science filled versions. But they're definitely worth a watch while you're bored and passing the time. You'll learn a lot about nutrition in general which is nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE

This is a really good one I watched today. Answers a lot about the muscle loss misconception:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ug8VCgUxQ#t=1322.676394

>>40981400
Here's one that describes how fasting bolsters brain power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8

Here's an article on exercising on an extended fast:
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-exercise-fasting-23/

>>40981374
>>40981400
Thanks man will watch those. Tomorrow is first day of the fast and day after tomorrow is lifting day... it will be some kind of miracle if I manage to get through 3 days.

I've always had an issue with never feeling "full". Even when I'm well fed I want to continue bingeing, and I don't know why.

>>40981460
Awesome, I'm glad you're interested. This shit fascinates me. I was very hesitant at first myself, I thought I was going to die. It turns out its a very spiritual, discipline training, body cleaning experience. I have 10lbs to lose so I'm going as long as I can, I'm at 47 hours now since I've eaten and I feel great. All I've had is black coffee and water.

>>40981460
Also refined carbs have a tendency not to satiate you. That might be the problem, I don't know.

>>40981480
lol there was a time when I thought not eating for more than 4 hours was dangerous. the mom still believes that. I'm actually very lean but have some stubborn fat that NEVER goes away no matter how much I diet. if this works I will be over the moon.

"Alternaive" stuff like this fascinates me too. On a slightly different note but related, I had a back injury last year which I thought was a herniated disk. Couldn't train for months. Then I read about tension myositis syndrome (TMS) which is basically what can happen when you're very stressed and it translates to physical pain even though you're not injured. Just realizing that healed me in like 2 days. I still would've been fucking "injured" if I went on believing I had an actual herniated disk. I still can't believe it worked.

>>40981567
Well check this out, you're going to like this. Try an intermittent fast, I'm worried you'll lose lean mass on an extended one.

Have a nice workout and eat the most rediculous meal after. All of your calories in one meal with your weight loss considered, like 1800 cal?. Wait about 20 hours, the next day. Your HGH will be peaking from the fast, have a fucking wild workout because of the HGH gains. Eat right after, Try to time it so that it works out to be a 24 hour cycle.

I've heard this called the Warrior Diet before. But it sounds awesome, going to try it once I get lean.

I did 16/8 and keto for 6 months and saw great results in fat loss.
Now I'm trying DODO and keto as I hear longer fasts are better overall, was thinking of trying to up it in a week or so to 48.

CICO had never been proven effective whille the doctor who studied fasting won a nobel prize for it. If you need any more convincing to stop counting calories then you're beyond hope and have been fooled by the supplement and food companies beyond belief.

>>40981235
This is SUPER discouraging. I'm at 296, down 32 lbs so far in 2 months, planning to cut to 180, then just eat maintenance while I lift for a while and re-evaluate next cut. I'm 5'11". Do you really still have tits at 145? Are you sure it's not gyno? Do you lift?

>>40981664
I'm not that anon, but I do lift, I'm 5'5 80kg, lost 10kg in 6 weeks and I still have little titties, I seem to keep a lot of the fat around my stomach, mid section and tits last, maybe your composition is different? Good luck!

I'm training my willpower too.
I fast for 48 hours and the last something hours i get high as fuck and deal with the graving. I always have good food in my house as i live with my fat family.

>>40976571
>A couple hundred years ago

try couple years ago instead

>flat earthers

>>40981664
thats me. probably do have gyno, but don't worry about it man keep at it. you're always going to want more, seriously there is always going to be something that you want to fix about yourself. yea i absolutely hate my titties but can't afford the surgery right now

>>40976485

>30 days of fasting

nigga what the fuck you'd be dead

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I fasted for 3 days straight with no food. At ~400 calories of chicken breast this morning because I had a job interview and didn't want to bomb it due to nausea. I think fasting one day then eating a small 500 low-carb calorie meal the next is a sustainable pattern for weight loss.

I'm on an EC stack as well and in ketosis.

>>40976256
I always fast with Kratom. It removed my appetite and makes me feel good.

Make sure to take electrolytes and multivitamins. I don't know if it's a placebo effect, but I do 5 day fasts with them and never feel shitty. When I'm really hungry I just take 10g of Kratom and chill out.

I'm a neet though.

>>40982445
>electrolytes and multivitamins

lmao GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

I just finished a 3 day fast myself and got really bad diarrhea. What can I do to prevent this next time I fast? Sending this from the toilet right now in so much pain.

>>40982580
how can you have shit in your bowels after 3 days of not eating. you mean after you ended the fast and ate? i don't know much about that but I would like to.

>>40978613
love fung

This thread reminds me of that dude who did GOMAD and literally only consumed a gallon of milk a day, nothing else.

>>40976336
this partially
if you only take in water your bodily fluids will eventually get too diluted and you'll suffer for it

>>40980423
thank you anon

>>40978504
>Doing water/coffee/diet sodas, but figure I should cut out the diet sodas next time for the full cleanse.
>for the full cleanse
>cleanse
that's meme of the highest order, and a joke to boot

What do you guys think about adding lemon concentrate to water to make it interesting. It also tastes better with salt.

It has absolutely no calories and just a little vitamin C, neither of which are insulinogenic. It has lemon oil, which also has no calories.

I'm worried about accidentally throwing a wrench in my autophagy gains. Thoughts?

>>40980539
Its a way to set up studies. You do a controlled diet for several days then switch to studied diet. Controlled diet is usually negatives so readers know the study began on day 1.

>>40982358
http://survival-goods.com/v/9_longest_records_for_surviving_without_food/
its actually not uncommon

>>40982966
> David Blain, that Houdini of the noughties, had a penchant for stunts that required almost superhuman levels of mental and physical endurance. Beginning with his Buried Alive stunt in 1999 Blain subsequently endured being frozen in ice, and standing on a giant pole before attempting to survive without food for 44 days whilst suspended in a Plexiglas box above the Thames.

>In compassion to the American public’s reaction of amazement and wonder, the British were a lot more disparaging. Blaine was pelted with eggs, lemons, sausages, golf balls and even beer cans. One man was arrested after attempting to spike Blaine’s water supply with monkey Urine. Our favourite taunt, however, was when some scamp attached a cheese burger to the bottom of a remote control helicopter and proceeded to buzz the box bound magician.

top kek, based bongs

>>40981122
So then how long should I be fasting if I want to keep my lifts from going down the drain?

>>40981274
Lol

>body stores fat for times when food is scarce
>start fasting
>"uh oh, food is scarce, better start tearing down these muscles!"

>>40982395
>I think fasting one day then eating a small 500 low-carb calorie meal the next is a sustainable pattern for weight loss.

Please don't do this. This is no better than eating 500 calories a day. You will fry your metabolism. Your feasting periods need to be actual feasts.

>>40984977

bruh i don't think its ever been shown feasting/refeeding actually resets or protects metabolism.

>>40984977
No you won't.
But if that person does not eat JUUUUUST enough protein to keep their muscle and do some amount of load bearing exercise then they're going to get fucked but good.

What happens if you water fast while on DNP? I know dnp makes you really hungry, but I was thinking maybe you could take some appetite suppressants along with something like kratom.

>>40976505
Jesus and Moses fasted for 40 days without food or water.

>>40985064
Yeah but they didn't exist

>>40985064
No food? Believable.

No water? Bullshit.

>>40985122
Jesus maybe. Son of god etc. But Moses? Nope.

Isn't fasting supposed to mean days (2 a week or continual) with only a 300 calorie meal? This is the first I've heard of water fasting outside of anorexia articles.

>>40985160
The small meal type of fasting is for weak-willed normies.

Do you take any supplements while fasting? Are caffeine pills a viable alternative to coffee?

>>40984977
This. "Feast" done properly is a very different experience than eating a small meal and resuming fasting again.

I´ve dropped over 6kg in a month. I fast daily 24 hours, always 24 hours between my first and last meal and I eat only once a day.

When I finish my huge meal, I can feel the blood pumping, I generate lot of heat, sweating. It really ramps up my metabolism. On some days I´ve continued to eat for so long I actually start to notice the metabolic effect. Your heart rate goes up, you feel hot, it´s a great feeling. Almost like a pump from working out.

>>40985332
only salt is necessary. i don't see why caffeine pills wouldn't be okay.

>haven't eaten a thing for 110+ hours
>just had a shit

what exactly was meant by this?

>>40982812
Would you rather I used a different word that basically has the same effect but doesn't sound like a meme? Because I could have done that, but cleanse was just the first word that came into my head to describe it. Call it whatever you want my dude..

last week i accidently fasted for about 24 hours (fell asleep after getting home from work and didn't eat from lunch until lunch next day). i was constantly shitting water all morning. does that pass or does it continue the whole time?

>>40985905
based on my experience (>>40985738), you don't shit for a few days and then you do a little bit.

>>40976374
You realize 'fasting' means like eating a bowl of rice every day right? Right!?

>>40986016
>fasting means eating

"No"

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Here's a REAL SIMPLE WAY TO FAST to all you "hurr durr not eating for 5 days, check my pecs brah"

Goal: 2000-2500 cals a day.

What bruv? Sounds like too much for cutting?
Well listen up fagget here's what you do:

from 10PM to 2PM you aren't allowed to eat/drink ANYTHING containing calories. Only drink water my dude. You'll be sleeing a lot in this time-period anyways so no worries.

Next, you have these 8 hours where you have to fill up your 2000-2500 cals. This shit will leave you full until you go to bed. Only time you MIGHT be hungry will be just before finishing your 14 hours of fasting

This shit is SO FUCKING EASY it boggles me how people still get it wrong.

Just do it brahs. It fucking works.

>inb4 he fell for the meme

How can it be a meme if it's done tremendous work for me?

>>40986041
This thread is more about extended fasts. I think we all started with some form of intermittent fasting like you're doing. But extended fasts have some more health benefits, and they make fat come off faster.

>>40986041

I do 18/6 and drink black coffee while fasting to no ill effect.

Works really good. I eat the same calories, if not slightly more than I used to be lost a good deal of bodyfat in a couple months.

>>40986041

Post body pics or something. What has it done for you exactly? Over what time period?

>people think you don't lose muscle on a fast

Hilarious. The entire fitness community is based around somehow cutting efficiently without loosing TOO much muscle and here these guy are, saying you can just eat NOTHING for days and your body will exclusively use your fat storages.

So I can bulk up to 30% bf with insane muscle mass and then just cut down to 7% by fasting without losing muscle right?

>>40986141
Yes. A complete lack of food incurs hormonal changes that a calorie deficit doesn't.

>>40986155
Right, so since decades the fitness industry just did not find out about fasting and the entire issue of being lean while also holding a large among of muscle is trivial because you can maintain maximum muscle mass while also being incredibly lean - by fasting?

This thread is so full of shit.

>f-fasting is different from a calorie deficit!

You guys are kidding yourselves. There's no reason you can't eat food everyday and still look good. Hell, I do 16/8 but that's just to make it easier to keep my calories low with two big meals. Going days without food though? Fuck that, I'd rather be skinnyfat than give up food like that.

What would happen to my lifts if I started fasting for 2-3 days every week and ate at maintenance calories for the other 4-5?

>>40986246
According to the shills ITT: nothing, you would just lose fat and that's all, lifts magically stay the same.

According to the rest of the fitness industry and everyone with a name and decades of experience: you would stall really fast because your total weekly calorie intake is too low.

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>>40986065
Will post pics when I'm home (currently at a lecture). Basically it killed off the stubborn fat in my face and stomach. Been doing it for a good 2 months about to finish my third month.

I tellya it seriously works. Another month and I'll have abs for the first time in my life

>>40986246

Why not just eat slightly less than maintenance every day and not deal with any bullshit?

>>40986310
Why would you do that when according to numerous people ITT you could just fast, lose all your fat and maintain ALL your muscle at the same time?

If it works as they say it does then this is the most magical and efficient way to cutting ever.
Lose all fat, maintain all muscle mass. Literally insane.

>>40986246

Just do IF. Eat the same maintenance calories just do it within a 6 hour tops window.

>>40986299

And your lifts?

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>>40986335
been lifting for aesthetics on everything except diddly and I've actually GAINED on my deadlifts.

Very close to being lmao4pl8 and finishing 1/2/3/4

>>40986334
its this simple.

>>40976256
You faggots are going to kill someone with this meme.

>>40986334
This. Eat a large dinner, no breakfast, no lunch or small meal, only drink water, repeat.

>>40985151
Don't underestimate the powerlevel of Moses. Nigga split an ocean in two, the amount of raw power you need for that is insane. I can barely do it in a bathtub

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this guy made a career out of water fasting, he was best in the world at it for a decade, and he ate like 10,000 kcal per meal. if you want to be good at water fasting, why aren't you eating anything?

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>>40976256
Yes. Keep going anon. I've done 21 days and it requires some mental discipline.

Fasting is great for chubs like me. I've gone from 310 to 190 through a mix of 1 week, 2 week, 3week, and intermittent fasting.

This is not starvation. Starvation is when you desperately need nutrients to sustain life. For fats like me, we have sufficient reserves, and no, you will not automatically gain it back. There's a very distinct metabolic difference between severe calorie restriction (bad for your, due to drop in TDEE, and if not done with IF, a drop in HGH) and fasting (increase in body TDEE + increase in muscle sparing HGH).

Fasting is life. Don't buy into all the tumblerinas' here "starvation" nonsense. It is painful, but anything worth in life is. Best the pain because you are a man, and the you off tomorrow will thank you for it. Good luck.

>>40986171
Why on earth would the fitness industry tell people to just stop eating? Where is the money to be made there?

>>40986269
You go to Planet Fitness for the pizza right?

>>40986334
I already do IF. Still isn't satisfying enough for me and stopped working as well.

I really rather would suffer 2-3 days and then eat a lot.

If this were the beginning of my cut maybe I could use more "normal" measures, but it's not. I'm tired of cutting and still holding on to stubborn fat. So if I have to dip lower in calories I'd rather do it this way.

Good morning fuckers. 60 hours and going strong. Feeling like Socrates on cocaine right now and its allll natural baby. LETS GO.

>>40987038
What the fuck how

I fasted for 36ish hours once and felt like SHIT like pure SHIT how do people get to 60 and feel good?

Also can you take preworkout when doing this fast? It does have some carbs and calories

>>40979911
>He doesn't believe in the patrician cone earth theory.

>>40987079
It gets easier every time you try, especially if you are on a fat heavy diet. That makes it easier for your body to switch from food energy to fat storage.

Also lots of water and salt water. I've been exercising too and I'm out of shape. Crazy.

Waiting on a call hopefully for a job interview, in the meantime just helping my dad renovate his house and shitposting on /fit/, he's getting way up there in age, 81.

>>40987079
>>40987109
Also ghrelin, the hormone that makes you super hungry, peaks on day 2. For some people its day 3. After that it drops steadily and its fucking easy street.

>>40980301
>*tips fedora with trembling hand*
>*Waddles away straight legged because he no longer has thigh muscles*
>*doesnt realize your body requires protein to survive which is why fat people still starve to death at a normal rate*

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>>40987130
>which is why fat people still starve to death at a normal rate

Your body has fat storage for a reason. You think your body would go for your muscle when it has fat available. How can people be this fucking dumb? It's literally common fucking sense.

You're in a cave. Haven't eaten in a day. Want to go hunting but you can't because you're body is shutting down in "starvation" mode. Die instantly. Human race ends.

>retards actually believe this

You might wanna pretend that you're baiting now because you are fucking retarded and it would be a great tactical option for you.

>>40987109
I'm addicted to oats. I'm so addicted I binge on oats rather than chocolate. So my body could probably use some fat-adapting. Once I finish this cut I'm going to just eat high-fat food, yogurts, and fruit. Might even stop tracking calories. Hopefully maintaining a low body weight is easier than cutting down to it.

>Waiting on a call hopefully for a job interview
Good luck man.
>helping my dad renovate his house and shitposting on /fit/, he's getting way up there in age, 81.
I really worry for my parents seeing how little they exercise and the stuff they eat. It seems like being very active and eating well can keep you youthful even in your 70s and 80s. There are some strong old guys at my gym who seem to function like 30 year olds.

ever heard of water op you dumb fuck? too much water and you'll go into water retention mode:a state in which the body changes the water into stored weight. for true success you don't eat or drink anything at all. i did it and at 7 days i felt rejuvinated. im telling you all this because of how great its done me and how good it feels. 7 day fast ftw!

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>>40987196
bait

>>40987172
I will have to spell it out because it seems that you are actually too stupid to understand why your body goes for muscle before fat:

Fat is its last storage for energy. If there is nothing left, take that. It's a valuable storage that, if possible, should be kept.
Abundant muscle mass however does not serve any purpose - the moment your body realizes it's starving it would much rather get rid off useless muscle mass. Muscle mass itself even requires energy to maintain.
Logically, the most efficient way of handling the situation is for your body to break down muscle instead of its valuable fat resources.

There you go.

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>>40987247
>Fat is more valuable than muscle

I'm really starting to think that you're baiting. But in the case that you actually are this dumb, read this. You won't because your cognitive dissonance is flaring up, but I'll post it anyways.

YOU WILL NOT LOSE MEANINGFUL AMOUNTS OF MUSCLE MASS ON AN EXTENDED DIET UNLESS YOU HAVE NO FAT STORAGE.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

>>40987172
not sure fat can be converted into protein to be honest. Wouldn't the body attempt to reduce it's muscle size to decrease the maintenance calorie cost ? Then finally go for the fat stores when it barely needs any protein anymore ?

>>40987282

yeh but my bench will go down, so fug u faggot

>>40987247
Not necessarily true. Your body absolutely needs protein to survive. If you don't ingest enough protein your body will use the protein in your muscles to survive. This is why keto works, because you cut out carbs and eat mostly protein. Your body can't just use fat instead of protein. Fat is made of lipids and protein is made of Amino Acids. The best way to diet is to eat nothing but protein, but this is hard on the body (especially kidneys) and you also need fiber. (Also sugar is used by the brain so your functional skills might start lacking). This is why chicken and vegetables are great for cutting and carbs are good for bulking (post workout). The muscle loss won't be huge on fasting, but if you ate a few chicken breasts every day you would preserve your muscle a lot better. CICO does work you faggots, I lost 100 ibs in a year by dieting on 1500 kcal (Lifts were still dogshit after maintaining about 100g of protein a day tho)

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>>40976374
>REE

>>40987282
>meaningful
What a useless relative term.

Yes, abundant muscle mass is less valuable than a solid fat storage in a starving scenario.

It's simple: no bodybuilder has ever cut by fasting. It doesn't work, it kills too much muscle mass and performs a lot worse than a regular deficit cut.
That's it.

Post a picture of your body, according to your meme you are able to hold natty limit amount of muscle while also being completely lean.
I want to see that.

>>40987413

This.

Not gonna believe it til I see some real results.

This whole thread is self-trolling

>>40987302
Read the article I posted homie. Should help you with most of the FAQs. Ask me any other questions when you are done and I'll do my best to find studies and answer questions.

>>40987357
You have great discipline, my dude. You had to feel like shit on that cut. That method almost always fails, it did for me. CICO does work but not perfectly, it has a lot to do with what you're eating and when you're eating. That is what is lost in translation when we say CICO is bullshit. If you eat 1000 calories of carbs, a meal as soon as you get up, all throughout the day, and right before you go to bed, you will be in a feeding state, your insulin will be high and you will always be in fat storage mode. Your body will lower its metabolic rate to compensate and you will feel like shit. You will be colder, dumber, and in general less energetic, your hunger hormones will be going ape shit as well.

I can't find any studies on this, but I also believe cutting calories like I mentioned above also causes you to lose more muscle mass. Not sure why but I would love to know more about it.

>>40987413
A bodybuilder has a much larger muscle to fat storage ratio and quite frankly that is an absurd scenario that nobody here needs to worry about. You are correct. Great job.

In that case, he should do an intermittent fast. Eating 1, 2 or 3 meals a day high in protein at a caloric deficit. He needs to give himself >12 hours of time to fast each day so that his body can go into fat storage burning mode (using heavy lamens terms here). With exercise as well, he will minimize his losses.

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>>40976326
>Depriving the body of vitamins and minerals has tremendous health benefits

Only in the west..

>>40987480
Aha, so in the case of someone wanting to build and maintain muscle it's actually shit.
So it's good for untrained fatties.

Good job.
Now fuck off.

>>40987509
diabetes prevention
cancer prevention
generally longer life expectancy

yes, i'd call those health benefits

>>40987551

No its actually good to get rid off stubborn fat if you are already in good shape.
If you lift while fasting, activating growth hormones your body CANT burn muscle.

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>closing in on 120 hours
>feeling better and better

>>40987551
You have to apply common sense my dude. Nothing I said was invalid. You had false expectations and then let yourself down. Everyone's situation is different.

>>40976256

Getting literally no nutrients for lifting, recovery and gains.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!?!?

>>40976374

This data is a fucking joke.

>>40987651
yeh

it's so funny i forgot to laugh

>>40987598
>diabetes/cancer

Don't eat like a god damn slob? If you're really dedicated then grow your own food.

>longer life expectancy

Proof? Right now the average higher life expectancy is coming from people living in coastal regions that live a more relaxed life and eat more natural food.

I guess you can count the elderly living longer if you associate having a dedicated drip line as living.

But in the end your body, your choice mate.

>>40987656
is this what they call moving the goalposts?

I need some input here. Prolly from a 4chan user who happens to be a professional.so I was donating plasma yesterday and
they said my hemoglobin value is low.
Now, considering I want to fast from Sunday evening to Wednesday and from there on till Friday and friday till sunday, what do I need to be careful of?

>>40987676

you've got SUPER-AIDS my man. You are basically dead.

RIP

>>40987676
Do you take any medication for it?

>starving the fat off you is now a legitimate healthy way to lose weight

Thank fuck I always wished losing weight was that easy, I never tried it before because I thought it would kill me or make me extremely unhealthy. I'm glad to see I was wrong.

If the body went for muscle first, no one on the planet could ever diet and lose weight. It would be nearly impossible to burn fat, and essentially you're telling lazy fatties they're right

>>40987740
It's not, you fucking good goy. "Eat nothing" is the newest meme that's hitting /fit/ and you ate it up like a good little shit.

>>40987667
Not even close, shill.

>>40987740
You literally get all your caloric needs from your fat with the exception of some organs that need amino acids.

You ever wonder how girls like that one YouTuber that looks like a skeleton can live so long despite never eating? The body is resilient as hell.

>/fit/ is so stupid that they will now suddenly stop eating for extended periods of time just because someone told them to

I hope you idiots lose all your gains and then cry when you fell for a literal meme.

>>40987759
Yeah, because there's so much money to be made in fasting. Fucking retard.

You are obviously someone who knows fuck all about fasting. Read-up or be a worthless cunt who shitposts and provides nothing to the thread.

>the Goy is in the mirror.

Why not just do IF like a normal person?

>>40987782
>you can't shill for something unless there's money involved

How stupid can you be? That line that you parrot, "there's no money to be made in eating less", shows that it's a sham. The fact that you feel the need to disassociate yourself is the action that damns you.

Fasting is a joke and objectively unhealthy. Not one study verifying ANY of the claims have been posted, yet shills like you keep saying "it works, trust me goy!".

Fucking neck yourself and go force some other meme that won't actually kill people, faggot.

>>40987785
Because IF doesn't work. Period. Only fasting does.

>>40987779
As long as you exercise on your fast you're completely fine. And why would you wish harm on your fellow /fitizens/. Are you ok?

Here, read this. It should help you understand the muscle loss misconception.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

But yeah, nobody should just stop eating without researching what they're getting into.

>>40987797
It does work for me. Period

>>40987797

>Because IF doesn't work. Period. Only fasting does.

Based on what exactly?

And where the fuck did all these fasting threads come from in the last few days huh?
We've had IF here for fucking ages but all of a sudden half the fucking board is on like day 3 of their water fast.

I'm calling bullshit.

>>40987794
You're baiting for more info. You don't deserve the lecture. You are a cunt. We will relish in the sweet rejuvenation that is extended fasting while your body holds onto the dead, old cells, filled with toxins built up over the years from ingesting "added chemicals" of which are begging to be cleaned out. Not my problem. You can berate all you want but you obviously haven't researched it, and I'm not going to research it for you. Cunt.

>>40987819
>And where the fuck did all these fasting threads come from in the last few days huh?
>We've had IF here for fucking ages but all of a sudden half the fucking board is on like day 3 of their water fast.

kek. it's partly because of me. i'm doing my first extended fast so i've been posting about fasting.

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>>40987838
I'm here as well, shit-posting my fucking eyes out.

Reminder that the underlying factor of obesity is not calories, its insulin, or rather insulin resistance.

Get to know this smart gentleman, Dr. Fung. His argument is that insulin and insulin resistance are the enemy in terms of obesity, not caloric intake. It’s about eating foods that keep your insulin low. It’s also about eating once or twice in a 6 to 10 hour window and then fasting until you eat the next day at break-FAST. This gives the body enough time to clean out the glycogen stores and get to the fat you want to lose.

Fasting has been lost in our culture in the last 100 years. Mainly because you can’t make money telling people not to eat and you can’t sell pills to healthy people, but I digress. Fasting is an ancient practice found in practically all religions. It makes evolutionary sense as well. If you haven’t eaten in a while you don’t want your body to shut down, you want it to rev up so you can get out there and find some food.

The Nobel Prize winner of 2016, Yoshinori Ohsumi, also found an amazing body function called Autophagy. It’s basically a house cleaning mechanism activated during fasting that has profound effects such as preventing cancer, anti-aging, and metabolizing loose skin, just to name a few.

Oh, and worried that you’ll lose muscle mass on a fast? Your body always goes for the fat stores first, that’s what it’s there for. Why chop up the sofa if you have firewood available. In fact, in males, your Human Growth Hormone (HGH) increases up to 2000% while fasting. Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1fiGJxkFWU

This thread is for Obese or overweight people who have questions about intermittent fasting and the diet involved.

Here’s Dr. Fungs talk where CICO’s misconceptions are highlighted. Highly recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk

>>40987460
You're absolutely right, I also think the laws of thermodynamics are wrong.

>>40987878
i don't think he implied that at all. he's saying that the laws of thermodynamics don't apply to the human body in such a simple way as "calories in, calories out" would have you believe.

>>40987871
>can't make money shilling fasting
>fucker literally makes money shilling fasting
Fuck off DYEL

>>40987904
He makes money helping fat people truly cure their diabetes. Which is much different than pharmaceuticals are making whatever drugs they want, hiding the bad studies where their drug literally kills people, and putting it on the market as medicine. They don't give a fuck about your health, just money.

I do it for free, as well. I care about science, the truth, and my fat /fitizen/ friends who are trying to better themselves. You rather see them fat, and then berate them in fat hate threads. Explain that one, asshole.

>>40987903
You're right, humans are definitely the exception to the laws of thermodynamics. Probably because we are made in God's likeness.

>>40987971
:rolleyes:

>>40987948
Another anon here

Man I don't know whether this is just a meme or not. All our lives we're told to never skip a meal, eat frequently etc. So that's why it's so hard to accept this might work. But I'm the anon that solved his bad back pain by literally just pretending it didn't exist (look up TMS and John Sarno if you're curious). Probably everyone would call that complete shit.

So having gone through that even though I'm sceptical I'm gonna give this a try. Currently on hour 20/72.

>>40987984
>currently on hour 20/72
>taking the bait
You're not going to make it

>>40987998
I'm pretty sure some of these anti-fasting people are at least partly Jewish.

>>40987984

99% of America was told this and still ended up obese, do you honestly think it was ever good advice? Do you think people ate 24/7 in the past and autistically never skipped a meal? No such idea even existed back then

>>40987984
It's 100% not a meme. Its the literal holy grail. I've poured over countless hours of information. If you want I can help you work out a protocol.

What is your height and weight. What is your diet currently as far as macros are concerned. What is your BMI (roughly). Do you have any medical conditions?

>>40987998
well I'm not gonna die from a 3 day fast so i'm willing to try it to see whether it's actually beneficial or not

>>40988039
6'0 180. don't really pay attention to macros other than trying to get in at least 160g protein. no medical conditions other than my life-ruining anxiety and depression

>>40988106
>well I'm not gonna die from a 3 day fast
Never said you would, it's just all these fasting fags don't realize they are placing importance on the wrong things.

Hit your macros and progress in your lifts. That's all there is to it.

If you want to make it more complicated and eat 3 days worth of macros in 1 day and skip eating 2 days go ahead, but you didn't stumble on a fucking miracle. And I guarantee you that your lifting suffers on your fast days, no way around that.

Can all those guys saying that fasting burns exclusively bodyfat and NO muscle please post pictures of their bodies?

Following the claim you all could easily have more mass than a jeff Seid/Connor Murphy at same leanness.

It would help your credibility tremendously.
Thanks!

>>40988139
>If you want to make it more complicated and eat 3 days worth of macros in 1 day and skip eating 2 days go ahead, but you didn't stumble on a fucking miracle.

you're wrong though. your mistake is that you think it's all about macros and calories, and that hormones don't play a significant role.

>>40988139

You realize that there is a possibility that the fat to protein bridge exists?

>>40988152

Of course long term fasting is just used for cutting. When maintaining or bulking you do IF/Warrior

>>40988176
Obviously, so you could bulk up to 30% bf and max out your possible muscle mass at that bodyfat.

Then cut down to 8% by fasting, loosing almost none of the before had acquired muscle mass - right? So you end up looking a lot better than those two fitness youtubers I have mentioned.

>>40988194

You wouldnt cut from 30% to 8% in one fast of course.

You would fast for 1-2 weeks, do warrior for 3 weeks and fast again til you reach your goal.

Not saying CICO doesnt work, currently on a 1600 kcals cut but doing it with IF which totally reduces my hunger. So the hormone thing is apparently true.

>>40988153
>>40988164
What you guys are stressing about is minor fucking details. Sure hormones control things, but you aren't manipulating them in a drastic way. Over a whole life of lifting and tracking, does this give you even a 1% edge over someone who just hits their macros and lifts? Probably not.

And we aren't even talking about elite fucking athletes over an entire life. This thread is full of fat asses that think this necessary because of muh genetics.

>>40988221

Just try it for one week and judge by yourself. Do what you want anyways

>>40988217
Of course not - you would run multiple, 3-4-5-6 days fasts as everyone in this thread is claiming.

And since "your body produces HGH" you "CANNOT LOSE MUSCLE".

Now, all I am asking for is the pictures of these guys making these claims.
They must all look incredibly fantastic, blowing every men's physique model out of the water.

Please, pictures.

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>>40988106

Hey guys I made a thread for fasting help. Would appreciate the bumps. I'm going to monitor it for the next 5 hours or so. Will help with any advice there, thanks.

>>40988250
>>40988250
>>40988250

Seems like as good a place to ask as any.

Been doing intermittent fasting for the past 3 months and I've only seen moderate results. Kinda feel like a water fast would help me get a nice boost for the summer cut.

Question is; is working out during a water fast safe? I only planned on fasting for like 3 days, 4 tops. And I was only going to do a light workout during one of those days.

>>40988331
If you aren't happy with your cutting results, you are either eating too much or your expectations are too high

>>40976256
>water fasting
as opposed to what? fasting while not drinking any liquids at all? whats next, breathing fasting, you fast, but ALSO BREATHE!

>>40976603
Not him and I don't care enough to rewatch the whole fucking episode to find the relevant parts but JRE 935 (Joe Rogan Podcast with Robb Wolf) talks a lot about this. The Robb Wolf guy is a super smart former research biochemist. Similar things have also been said by Dr Rhonda Patrick and she's on the forefront of this shit.

It surprised me too but of course they never framed it like OP. They said intermittent fasting, as in like eat 1 meal a day sort of thing, has humongous health benefits. Also I learned 1 guy literally fasted for 1 year under, doctor supervision, and lost like 300 lbs with 0 loose skin. It's a fuckin crazy ass study.

>>40988402
Slightly more than a year.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/

>>40988331
I'm answering all these questions in another thread, Copy paste your question there and I will consider it.

>>40988264

>>40978501
He might be the same retard who's been posting that one doctor and screeching that CICO isn't real.

>>40988331
I answered your question here:

>>40988250
>>40988250

>>40988349
I've been eating too much, I'll be honest. Thought that I could eat at close to maintenance and still lose weight because I was doing IF. Guess it didn't work that way...so yea, I was retarded about it.

Still didn't answer my question though, so I'll post my questions in >>40988481 thread.

>>40987819
A bunch of it is one extremely dedicated retard who's been going bananas about CICO being a scam.

>>40988595
Dude you answered your own question, you ate too much. It doesn't matter if you eat 20k calories and fast for 5 days. At the end of the day CICO is all that matters. IF or fasting for days like the faggots in this thread doesn't change that. Just hit your macros

>>40988152
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

Read the table 2 obesity (2010) section. References to the studies are provided.

I only have the gym scale available to me, but after my 21 day fast my lean body mass was within 1.5 lbs of the older scan, 161 to 159.8. that's with the margin of error. Fat mass dropped from 58 to 35. I was keto before my fast so this isn't water loss.

I posted in this thread yesterday but I feel way too sick to find my old post. I was fasting for 3 days, I ate one meal yesterday, this morning I woke up feeling ill and about 5 minutes ago I was puking what felt like acid. It was really painful and now I feel like I might throw up again.

>>40988706
did you keep your sodium and magnesium levels up during the fast?

>>40988706
>he fell for the bait
Ya'll fasting fags crack me up

>>40988651
I think you made a mistake - there is no picture attached to your posts.

Also
>160
Whew, are you a midget or why are you so light even though you have all this muscle mass you can't lose?

>>40988706
Take an antacid my man. I will have to consider this more. Read this!

http://www.wikihow.com/Break-a-Fast

>>40985054

>What happens if you water fast while on DNP?

You die and everyone makes fun of you for being such a dumbass

>>40987693
Kek
>>40987715
Iron supplements

>>40976326
Got a peer-reviewed study to support that, champ?

>>40978975
>calories in calories out is a meme

It's basic fucking physics. It's CONSERVATION OF ENERGY, YOU FUCK

IF YOU SPEND

MORE ENERGY THAN YOU TAKE IN

YOU LOSE ENERGY

IN THIS CASE IN THE FORM OF MASS

>>40987598
the issue is, often these diets are researched in obese people. as a way of losing weight.
and all the supposed benefits can be found from just losing weight in general.

>>40990467
unless you're producing insulin in which case your body stores calories as fat. unless you eat so little that your body enters ketosis, the insulin will keep storing fat

>>40990818
Are you implying that insulin violates the second law of thermodynamics?

Calories are your body's fuel. If you burn more fuel than you take in, you will have less fuel, period. What part of this is hard to understand?

>>40976256
if hurts, if it feels bad, you´re where the magic happens. when it´s not bad enough you´re not making results

>>40990467
>YOU LOSE ENERGY
>
>IN THIS CASE IN THE FORM OF MASS
This isn't an effective way to lose weight though. There is just so much energy in mass. I mean, think about it. E = m*c*c. c is the speed of light, which is about 3*10^8. So out of 1 kg of mass you get around 9*10^13 kJ, which equals about 2*10^10 kcal. This can sustain like 90 people for their entire life.

>>40990899
3*10^8 m/s, that is

>>40990899
My lifts would be a lot higher if i was powered by nuclear fusion

>>40990899
Please, please, please tell me you're joking around.

Please tell me you know the difference between ATOMIC FISSION and chemically burning fat.

>>40990940
You're the one saying energy is lost in the form of mass.

>>40990944
It is. You were proposing a 100% mass-to-energy conversion, which would an even on an astronomic scale.

When you burn wood, some of the wood is converted by chemical reaction into heat and light. When you burn fat, some of the mass is converted into kinetic energy. I don't know the efficiency rate.

Fat is stored calories. You use calories to move. If you run a calorie deficit you will lose fat.

Where's the issue here?

>>40990997
I guess you kind of mean the right thing.
No mass is actually converted. Because, as you said, the body does not do nuclear fusion or fission. The molecules are converted into more stable ones, like CO2 and H2O. Which releases the usable energy.

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>>40991101
>mfw I thought I was arguing with someone but in reality they were correcting my incorrect terminology

embarrassing desu

thanks

>>40976323
holy fuking kek

>>40978326
>le carbs aren't bad meme meme

>>40976256
Ive water fasted for 4 days before. Felt pretty good honestly i really like the feeling of having an empty digesrive tract. but slept about 16 hours a day

>>40985064
they also floated around the world on a boat full of lions elephants and hippos

>>40990467
>spend

Opinion discarded.

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>>40982966
>Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)
Time Survived: 11 Months
This miraculous young man from Nepal was ‘discovered’ when he was 15 years old, found meditating under a tree he apparently required neither food no water and has sat in the same position for 11 months, pondering the very nature of reality. With reports of blue halos manifesting around his head and spontaneous combustion, complete flames flying from his eyes. In 2007 the discovery channel in made an entire documentary about him and even they, in their infinite wisdom, were unable to confirm or deny the marvellous stories circulating about him.

>Since coming into the limelight and entire industry has sprang up around the ‘Buddha Boy’ becoming the main source of income for the remote Nepalese faming village he calls home.

>On July 22, 2010 villagers climbed upon his meditation platform manhandled and mimicked the would be Buddha, according to Bomjon himself he was “therefore forced to beat them”.

>>40978847
>when I started the counting calories meme last new years. Lost like 10 pounds but I was miserable.
>
>I'll be around 165, 160 when I finish this fast. Feels good.


>he then proceeds to binge eat 20lbs of fast food every day because calories are a meme

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>>40988651
>160lbs
>35lbs of fat mass

reminder this is the people giving you advice telling you you are wrong

>>40976374
>REE
hoh boy

>>40982358
Your fat reserves (assuming you're at a healthy bf% and not the 8% /fit/ says you should be) can last you quite a while. On top of that, the yellow marrow inside your bones is packed with tens of thousands of calories which your body will use up if you're starving. You can survive a long time without eating anything. It's water that you die quickly without. I don't believe you could make it to even a week without any water and depending on how active you are, even less.

>>40980042
stress and lack of sleep can also play a huge part in keeping that spare tire around, i myself have a HUGE gut but strong legs and arms

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>>40976326
>scientific research shows

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athletic ottermode 6'1 170 reporting in with not a chubby face to the naked eye but definitely has its fair share of fat compared to rest of body. you guys are telling me to cut face fat i just need to eat mostly protein and not eat at all for a 12 hour block every day?

Can I drink water on my rest days?
What about only water and the required protein?
What about coffee too?

99% of those Anti-fasting guy's on here are fat neckbeards who can't lay the fork down for 5 whole minutes