If I'm already prone to autoimmune diseases and inflammation

No, carbs are inflammatory.

Veganism is all carbs.

>>40934396
>No, carbs are inflammatory.
liar you're a liar

>>40934410
All right then, kid.

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Watch this:
https://youtu.be/7rNY7xKyGCQ

>>40934438
Okay but where do I get muh protein.
where do I get muh tryptophan?

>>40934438

how to not die: multi-celled organisms need not apply

>>40934466
How NOT to DIE.
How not to die.
Not the same thing

Eat only raw meat

Eat once a day

no inflammatin

>>40934380
Eat clean. Vegan is an option but too tedious.

>>40934454
Beans or lentils for example, up to 30g protein per 100g. You don't need chicken breast every day.

>>40934489

both mean the exact same thing, babe.

>>40934508
SAYS WHO?

>>40934522
Brainlet? Emphasis the NOT and try again.

>>40934513
>Beans or lentils
what if you find them gag-inducingly disgusting?

>>40934489
>>40934539
considering the "HOW" and the "TO" are in capitals as well, you don't really have a leg to stand on buddy.

>>40934539

explain in detail what you think the differences in meaning are for these two statements:

> 1. how to not die
> 2. how not to die.

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>>40934380
If you want to be vegan, you should read this book. It's about vegan bodybuilding

http://slimdownload.co/598546

>>40934542
Find better recipes to make them taste good. Pretty much nobody likes pure lentils. Lots of other vegetables with a decent amount of protein too, you don't even need that much.

>>40934542

Keep eating them, you'll get used to the taste and after a while you'll start enjoying them.

>>40934565
Robert pls go

>>40934438

Great book, would recommend this to anyone. Changed the way I thought about what it means to have a healthy diet.

>>40934589
so what does it mean to have a healthy diet?

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>>40934578
eeeeuuugh

>>40934542

Stop thinking of pleasure having to be at the heart of every eating experience, sometimes you just have to eat for fuel. You can train yourself to enjoy new foods as well.

Bean salads, lentil curries?

The NOT is emphasised, which changes the meaning. If you don't understand this you clearly failed English at school. If you actually read the book you would understand the context.

>>40934595

Pretty much my approach to nutrition was that a healthy diet was one that kept you thin. Didn't really pay any attention to the fact that eating right can drastically lower your susceptibility to heart disease, diabetes, cancer etc. I was vaguely aware of this before but this book explains it really well and made me more conscious of it.

I will say that the author advocates for an entirely plant based diet (ie vegan) so there may be some ethical agenda there, but overall I still got a lot out of it.

>>40934647

> is so certain it doesn't mean the exact same thing

> but can't actually point out specifically what is different about the 2 statements.

lol

>>40934380

Stop eating red meat at the very least.

I have psoriasis and saw MASSIVE improvement on my scalp by cutting out red meat and inflammatory foods like tomatoes.

Red meat is fucking trash tier food. It promotes inflammation due to a sugar that exists in the tissue and it increases cancer and heart disease risk.

Eat exclusively fish and chicken. If you wat a burger get ground chicken, it is honestly 1000x better than beef. Beef cooks dry compared to chicken which has a better texture and is juicy.

Red meat is for cucked retards who don't know anything about nutrition.

>>40934642

This. I try and view meals that I eat by myself as simply fuel to keep me going. Go for stuff that tastes good when you eat out with friends or whatever.

>>40934438
This would be a great video if he didn't talk like the biggest faggot in the world

>>40934522
>>40934561
>>40934681
>says capitalisation doesn't matter
>doesn't capitalise himself
Figures. Lunatics are rarely self-aware.

>>40934715

yeah nice

fyi both of those statements mean the same thing.

i know you likely realised this about 2 posts ago but you're in too deep to stop now so you're doubling down

i understand and i forgive you my beautiful baby boy.

>>40934693
Only that good beef is vastly superior to cheap chicken breasts full of hormones and sodium. Just cut the shit food.

>>40934693
>inflammatory foods like tomatoes.
god dammit

what other vegetables are inflammatory?

are tomatoes REALLY inflammatory?

>>40934693
>chicken
chicken causes heart disease more than any of these things

studies have been done about this

>>40934743
How not to lift.
How NOT to lift.
If you think these mean the same thing you are a filthy brainlet

>>40934743
Was my first reply but whatever, keep being retarded, it's an anonymous board.

>>40934772
If you avoid tomatoes because they're "inflammatory" you'll have a hard time finding enough to eat every day.

>>40934380
>evolved eating meat
>better stop eating it
kek

Seems like every food is bad for you

Maybe we should just stop eating

>>40934840
>>evolved eating meat
You realise it's the exact opposite right? It was WAAAAY more plant based for millions of years.

>>40934792

explain in detail what you think the differences in meaning are for these two statements:

> 1. how to not die
> 2. how not to die.

>>40934863
we're talking about now, friend.

How to not die means how to avoid dying.
How NOT to die means to avoid dying like this.

e.g.:
How to not play sport
How NOT to play sport. - implies you are playing sports but doing it badly.

They clearly mean different things

this really is an awful thread

>>40934903
>we're talking about now, friend.
You realise the last few hundred/thousand years are literally irrelevant when it comes to evolution right?

I'm sorry but are you actually retarded?

>>40934905
agreed

>>40934905
why are people even talking about "how to not die"? the original autist >>40934489 was talking about the difference between "how not to die" and "how NOT to DIE".

>>40934876
Lets give an example in a sentence:
"The quarter squatter at the gym was a perfect example of how NOT to squat."
"The curl bro explained how to not squat: go to the dumbbell rack instead."

>>40934840

You know that this in no way means that optimum health for adults is achieved by eating meat, right? I day this as someone who eats meat and actually has a functioning brain.

This argument would also support getting diseases and not vaccinating. Plant based diets produce lower cancer rates and neurodegenerative diseases.

There is little benefit in meat consumptio for adults beyond conveniece of dense protein sources and fats but if you are a vegetarian or vegan you can easily supplement omega 3 DHA and EPA with algae derived supplements and B12 and B6 fortified foods or supplements are good enough.

I'd also argue that bivalves and insects (most likely) are totally ethical to eat if you are a vegetarian or vegan. Bivalves completely lack the biological capacity to experience pain due to their lack of a CNS and brain. Insects also very likely do not experience pain due to their biology.

>>40934926

His statement is retarded but dude we evolved language parts of our brain in that time.

>>40934965

"The quarter squatter at the gym was the perfect example of how to not squat"

"The curlbro explained how not to squat: go to the dumbell rack instead"

I'm actually laughin so hard at you try to continue this argument.

THEY MEAN THE EXACT SAME THING.

>>40934772

Yes. Barring some GMO strain that removes the protein that causes inflammation (which will probably exist sooner or later)

It isn't normally an issue but if you are looking to avoid inflammation cut nightshades out of your diet entirely or restrict them.

>>40934761

Implying I live in a pleb shit country where hormones in food is legal.

They would BTFO any cunts putting hormones in chickens. >>40

>>40934983
I'd have to look that up but I kinda doubt there's such a clear link.

>>40935041
I'm from a country with very strict regulations too but this is 4chan, an American imageboard, and they have such utter shit food on the market it's scary.

>>40934789

Want to link an academic publication because every single thing I have seen suggests chicken is far better for cardiovascular health.

Red meat has far moe saturated fat which increases LDL. There is no dietary link between populations that consume motly fish and chicken and heart disease like there is with red meat.

It makes absolute no sense that chicken would be more harmful than red meat given the fat contents and lower cholesterol in chicken.

>>40935079
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131
>Positive associations were observed for red meat, poultry, and processed meat.
>The strongest relation with annual weight change was observed for pultry.
Later confirmed by a control study.

>>40934380
>If I'm already prone to autoimmune diseases and inflammation should I stop eating meat?
Unless you have/develop an legitimate medical poblem with it no.
>Is meat inflammatory?
No. And again unless you have a legitimate medical problem.
>Should I go vegan?
Not really for any health reasons. Mostly not unless you really, really, really, want to.
Meat should do nothing be beneficial to you, especially with your auto immunity. It also increases testosterone.And the animal protein (duh)/fats found in meat are highly nutritious and are aid several functions in your body. Ont top of all this veganism and vegetarianism are rooted in a lot of pseudoscience and old-timey demonization.
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/

>>40935197
>linking authoritynutrition
Into the trash your post goes.

>>40935197
>believing outdated bullshit studies

Why would you want to die of heart disease?

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>>40935197
>Clicked first link.
>saw this supplement "chaos and pain" hurr durr faggotry at the top
>didn't read lol

>>40934693
>>40934789
>studies have been done about this
Yes about all of these and they are memes >>40935197

>>40935079
>>40935197
Read the breaking muscle, authority nutrition and saturated fat articles. The bottom five articles particularly go into dubunking the whole meat=saturated fat/cancer meme.
>>40935208
>Clearly not read ing anything I posted.
>Coming back with "lololoz authority nutirion XD"
My post doesn't need to go anywhere because unlike yours it didn't come straight out of my ass

>>40935189

This is a study for weight gain you brainlet.

Weight gain =/= risk of cardiovascular event

>Implying I don't manage my caloric intake

>>40935197

>Blogs

Unistall yourself from the planet pls

>>40935234
>Why would you want to die of heart disease?
Why do you want to believe bullshit memes?
>>40935242
>didn't read lol
That there's a real shame then

>>40935252
Only that overweight/obesity is one of the most significante factors for such risks.

>>40935248

>read the blogs

Kill yourself. You are an idiot.

>>40935077
>>40935041
Its illegal to use hormones on poultry in the USA. People don't realize this because they see chicken advertised as hormone-free and assume there's hormone-laden chicken out there.

>>40935267

Yeah and I can't gain weight eating chicken if I manage my caloric intake. I am talking about risk based on the actual biochemical interactions and what it is comprised of not proxy measurements for health outcomes like assosciating chicken with higher weight gain. That is totally irrelevant to someone who manages their eating well.

>>40935260
>Unistall yourself from the planet pls
If this is the level of argumentation you're coming back with, you clearly uninstalled your brain when you wrote your post
>>40935270
>Kill yourself.
Why thank you National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. You never know, if you keep it up I might just do it.
You are an idiot.
>Projecting this much

>>40935197
>>40935248
>>40935261
>links to a buisness blog about seeling supplements
>a study from 2010
>authoritynutrition
>.uk/OPINION
>an article by a single guy who is not even a sciuentist
>another one
>some links against a study that was revisited a ton of times and proven to have had crucial true points as well
>complains about pseudoscience
xD

>>40935313

This is 4chan. I don't care. You're actually a moron if you think those blog posts are worth anything.

>>40935314
>xD
So not reading again and more shit arguments
>>40935324
>This is 4chan.
Yes, and?
>I don't care.
You've made that pretty clear.
>You're actually a moron if you think those blog posts are worth anything.
So i'm a moron because you don't read and should stop posting things you don't like solely because you say so?

>>40935289
Well, nobody can ever gain weight if they manage their calories. You can literally eat two and a half bars of butter and not gain weight but you sure as hell will end up in hospital.

>I am talking about risk based on the actual biochemical interactions
You're forgetting about the bigger chain here, saying weight gain and therefore weight is not a factor in cardiovascular health. Sure it's more indirect than red meat but still not good.

>>40935353

No you should stop posting them because they're trash and not reputable.

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Hey g-guys new plaleo blogger here. I just installed my new wordpress blog guys and managed to debunk that decades of scientific research. Those plant cucks have no idea I just managed to DL 8 plates and took some of my new sup line, ChA0s MaszGAInzor, which is 90 % sugar but its OK guys I made it up the stairs of the gym this time without any major heart attack. Saturated fat being good for you confirmed

>>40935372
>No you should stop posting them because they're trash and not reputable.
When you say it that way I guess I'm convinced. I mean there can't possibly be science and research that backs up my position-. Oh, wait

>>40934863
>You realise it's the exact opposite right? It was WAAAAY more plant based for millions of years.
Source: Your ass >>40935197.

>>40934380
My mom has an autoimmune disorder so they put her on a restricted diet starting out like basically vegan and guess what? It didn't help, then they let her add things back in, and guess what? It didn't get worse. Then they used actual medication and guess what? That worked. Anybody who tells you you can achieve miracles on a diet is full of shit. Also, go see a Doc we can't help you with advice based on your vague underlying condition.

>>40935709
Guess what? Anecdotal evidence isn't worth shit. Go eat as many pills as you want, have fun with a kidney failure.

>>40935733
Ok well you and Steve Jobs can tell me about all the things you've cured without medicinal help and just the power of veganism. Dude lmao I hope you're a troll just for your own safety.

>>40935750
Dude
L M A O

Actually I haven't been to a doctor (other than the regular teeth check) in like 8 years. I prefer being healthy thanks.

>>40934772
tomatoes are only inflammatory if you're sensitive to solanine

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>>40935765

>>40934380
>inflammatory
What the fuck do vegans mean when they say this and why should I care if meat is inflammatory? They always say "inflammatory" as if it self-evidently bad and often say it with disgust, but never explain what they mean.

>>40935779
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflammation

tl;dr it's shit for just about everything but mainly your immune system

>>40934826
not eating cherry tomatoes, fag detected

>>40934647
Lmao what the duck are you talking about. Emphasizing any word in that title would have no effect on the meaning, just how you say it.
"How to not die" will mean the same thing no matter what is emphasized.

Yes, just fycking do it. High carb vegan is the way

>>40934761
That's a stupid comparison. Why not measure GOOD beef to GOOD chicken you dingbat? Of course GOOD beef is probably gonna be a lot better than BAD chicken

>>40934380
you should earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhYis4MMoak
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265077/
http://www.earthinginstitute.net/arthritis/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFH3dXANut4

>>40936393
If you think it means how to avoid dying in a specific way, you are correct. If you think it means how to not die entirely, you are wrong.

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>itt

>>40937440
tbfh this

>>40934380
>Is meat inflammatory?
Only if it comes from mammals, poultry and blue fishes are fine.

>>40937491
>poultry and blue fishes are fine
WRONG.

>>40934542
Same problem, literally unironically start gagging when I try to eat beans. I think it's the texture more than anything.

>>40937531
Says who?

>>40934396

>using "carbs" as a catch-all term

>>40937648
Uhh no, I meant that a vegan diet is composed almost entirely of carbohydrates.

>>40937658
Yet the longest lived populations all eat like 80% carbs. Try again.

>>40937658
>vegan diet is composed almost entirely of carbohydrates.
Retard. Just like any other general diet you can balance macros. Maybe not as freely but if you wanted high fat or high protein you could do that. Of course it wouldn't make sense for a vegan diet but still.

>>40937658

"carbs are inflammatory"

Blackberries and sweet potatoes cause inflammation?

>>40937713
>>40937716
>>40937735
Fuck off.

>>40937770
Is it hard when people know better than you? Should they all just all shut up and leave your little bubble? Poor anon.

>>40937713
>80%
What type of bullshit are you trying to push? At best you could have 80% of the food have *some* carbs in them but no healthy diet consists of 80% carbs.

There are clearly two different meanings.

How not to squat = If you want to squat you should avoid this way because it is wrong way

How to not squat = How to be without squating at all

>>40937947
Not him but read again. He's saying that the populations or groups that eat high-carb have the highest life expectancy. Which is true, I think the most striking example was some vegan group in Japan that lived like 15 years longer on average.

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>>40937947

>>40937947
How is it difficult to understand? The healthiest and longest-living populations past and present all eat diets high in carbohydrates. Typically 70-80% calories coming from carbs. Conversely, the unhealthiest and fattest societies in human history all eat diets low in carbs, such as in North America, Iceland, UK, Greece.

>>40937977
The first one could mean both, it depends on the context.

>>40938006
are yams healthy for you?

>>40938448
If you eat that many sweet potatoes you'll probably turn into a carrot (carotenosis)

>>40938448
No they cause cancer and heart disease.

>>40934844
/thread

>>40938006
>Implying sweet potatoes are 100% carbs
How dumb are you guys?
Out of 100 grams of sweet potatoes only 20 of them are carbs which means that even though they eat 70% sweet potatoes only one fifth of that number is carbohydrates.

>>40938077
See
>>40938661

>>40938661
Literally wat? Not sure if you are good at baiting or absolutely retarded.

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>>40938661

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>>40938685
>Not sure if you understand that carbs are a specific nutrient component and not just another word for potato.

>>40938708
Bait it was, I'll give you a 6/10 good job. Your anime pic is too low quality and not smug enough though.

>>40938675
>>40938685
>>40938742
Look dumbasses if 80% of what you are eating were *just* carbs then you would basically be eating straight sugar. Maybe 80 % of their kcals come from carbs but then that's a different statement, isn't it?

Just put in 2k calories of sweet potatoes in chronometer just out of interest. That 14606% of vitamin A RDA

>>40938851
Interesting, it says too much vitamin A could lead to a fatty liver and several other things but it evidently didn't have negative effects on the Okinawa. I wish I knew more about bio chemistry.

>>40938809

Thanks, Captain Semantics. Your post was as insightful as ever.

>>40938851

To be more accurate, it's not vitamin A but "vitamin A equivalent." The form in sweet potatoes (and carrots, and other vegetables) is beta-carotene, which your body can convert into true vitamin A, retinol. Retinol can be toxic if eaten in large amounts over long periods of time, but your body is smart with beta carotene and doesn't make more vitamin A than it needs to.

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>>40938963
How about people be fucking accurate and literate. Like supposed to give some 4channer the benefit of the doubt. In a vegan thread of all places.

>>40939014

I think they expected the person reading their post to not be mentally retarded, and to understand that they were referring to macronutrient composition.

>>40937998
Wrong
>>40938006
Wrong
>>40938077
Wrong

>>40938997
Thanks.
>The most significant effect of long-term, excess beta-carotene is carotenodermia, a harmless condition in which the skin becomes yellow-orange
Trump?

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>>40938997
Ahh, sounds similar to how iron from meat or protein from meat can be harmful in excesses, but that doesn't seem to be the case for the plat based variety.

>>40939037
Tan gains m8.

>>40939030
>I am retarded because they cannot articulate ideas effectively.
>They do not realize they said 80% of diet is carbs and that that sounds utterly retarded.
Vegan logic everyone.

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>>40938997
>>40938961
>>40938851

Another thing to mention is that the typical okinawan sweet potato is purple fleshed, so it probably doesn't have as much beta carotene as our orange sweet potatoes, so they don't have to worry about turning orange. That purple color is the same pigment found in blueberries that give them most of their antioxidant power.

>>40938497
>No they cause cancer and heart disease.
no

Idk who to trust here, Meat Eaters or Vegans.

It seems that both sides have good arguments and conflicting studies.

>>40939177
Hmm it's almost like humans are omnivores designed to get their nutrients from a vast array of sources. I think you have your answer anon.

>>40939177

>It seems that both sides have good arguments and conflicting studies.

What did the meat eaters post? Just that guy with the blogs?

>>40939198

> omnivores designed to get their nutrients from a vast array of sources

Omnivores aren't "designed to" do that. They have the ability to get nutrients from a vast array of sources because they're omnivores. Being omnivorous doesn't require you to eat everything that you can possibly digest, and it doesn't mean everything you're able to eat is equally good for you.

>>40939198
That's the question though, aside from B12 what is there that you can't get from a vegan diet? Sure meat/dairy/fish are a convenient and easy source for many things but not a necessay one. Vegan diets can be really healthy if done right while animal based diets have shit effects on your health.

I guess whatever, I love me a good steak at special occasions.

>>40935470

Then link science and not blogs. But you'll just misinterpret a study and link it and delusionally believe that you are right.

If I could kill you I would. People like you are so fuckig stupid that you should be erased.

>>40939177
>It seems that both sides have good arguments and conflicting studies.
You're joking right?
This >>40939198./thread

>>40939261
>Love me a good steak
Yeah that's the other aspect people miss about blue zones. The people are also laid back and not fixating on their diets. The Greek and italian ones eat sheep and goat in moderation and the milk and cheese they make from them. Just because having a triple cheeseburger every day is bad for you doesn't mean you never eat high quality meat or cheese again and be miserable. Life is a balance and being happy with moderation will get you a long way.

>>40939261
I'm like 95% vegan. Still like a good steak sometimes also. The health evidence is pretty overwhelming though.
As for supplements, I think only B12 is needed. Maybe vitD is certain circumstances

>>40939233
>Being an omnivore doesn't mean you should eat vegetables and some meat/dairy
That is actually the textbook definition of omnivore. There are lots of types of omnivores too so each species will need a different combination but the thing they all have in common is that they need a certain ratio of both for peak health.

>>40939198
Well i'm not going to come to a conclusion solely based on that claim, considering that there are studies that say plant-based diets can be healthy and some that say meat can be detrimental for health.

>>40939207
Well, I took a look at some of the blog posts, some of them were obviously bias, but there were a few with sources, I still need to take a look at those. As for his other posts, i'm still looking into those as well, especially the ones discussing the China Study.

After looking at multiple vegan vs non vegan debates after a long period of time and listening to claims and reading studies from both sides, it's kind of hard to come to a clear conclusion, for me at least, this may be a result of me not being very scientifically literate but im learning as I go on.

Although the animal products industry is unethical in their practices, the health arguments are the ones that get me a stumped, the overall consensus seems to be that meat consumption is unhealthy (in large portions) but are the opposite when consumed in smaller portions, The Mediterranean Diet is an example of this.

Sorry if that paragraph was hard to read, i tend to overthink my sentence structure when formulating long paragraphs.

>>40939358
>Omnivore is a consumption classification for animals that have the capability to obtain chemical energy and nutrients from materials originating from plant and animal origin.
>classification
It's a completely neutral term.

>>40939291
Humans were not designed at all. Given that we evolved from frugivores, meat is like dirty fuel to for us. It helped us survive when selective pressures depended on us having access to as many calories as possible, regardless if it was optimum for our health or not. If you survived long enough to successfully reproduce, you were good.

>>40939291
No, im not joking, I rather listen to both sides than come to a conclusion based on that claim.

>>40939290
>Then link science and not blogs.
I did. Whether you're too lazy, stupid or both to read what I posted isn't my problem
>If I could kill you I would.
Man you really must be from the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline huh? You just keep having fun with the deathreats there buddy, maybe just maybe it'll actually work this time
>People like you are so fuckig stupid that you should be erased.
You could break a Geiger Counter with the massive levels of projection you've reached there.

>>40939385
Plant based doesn't imply the total absence of meat or dairy just an emphasis on plants. Again moderation is the key, not turbo autism trying to map out every aspect of a meat free diet. Unnecessary stress is just as harmful if not more harmful than accidentally eating too much meat one day.

>>40939412
We evolved from single-cell organisms from the ocean. Should I be eating a diet composed exclusively of algae?

>>40939412
Meat's proven to be one of the if not 'the' most nutritious food we could eat. How ever many memes you want to spot about it won't change that fact.
>>40939418
There aren't and calling them that as though they're equal or you can remotely compare the two is disingenuous. There's proper scientific and biological research into what meat does and doesn't do then there's memes and bullshit pseudoscience.

>>40939261
The most difficult nutrients to get from plants, in my experience, are choline and zinc, then calcium, everything else is pretty easy. Zinc and calcium are both abundant in poppy seeds, which I happen to love so there's that.

But getting a high amount of choline from plants is nearly impossible. There is large genetic variation in choline requirements. The Adequate Intake is 550 mg but some men need around 800, women often quite a bit less than 550. When I say they need 800, that means they do get liver damage on less than that. Getting to 500 from plants can be a challenge so if you have high-choline genetics it's a good idea to supplement.

>>40939507
This is my take on it as well. As another benefit you get to disassociate yourself from vegans, who in general tend to be a crazy bunch.

>>40939531
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

>>40939531
You can get plenty nutrition from plants, without all the added crap that comes along with meat. There is no point in except for the occasional luxury, if you are so inclined.

>>40939632
>Added crap
What is "added" to a plain, unadulterated piece of raw meat?

>>40939539
Thanks for the information. I've read that the most common deficiencies are B12, calcium and iodine but since I'm not really considering going vegan I've never ran into that problem. As long as you eat a little dairy you'll get that choline easily. Though I actually can't remember the last time I actually cooked meat for myself, it's usually only when I eat out.

Kinda unrelated but would you say doing a blood analysis is a good idea? Kinda curious but even the doctors I know are like "really unnecessary you're obviously fine".

>>40939261
>That's the question though, aside from B12 what is there that you can't get from a vegan diet?
Fun fact: Vitamin B 12 is produced by bacteria and found in natural soil, unwashed plants and water. So you might even get a good amount of B 12 if you live like a real cave man and eat root veggies from the earth

>>40939632
He's just baiting for those delicious (You)s.

>>40939656
Meaning things that are not good for the human body that come along with the nutrition in the meat. Saturated fat, cholesterol, heme iron, animal protein, all have been shown to be harmful in excess.

>>40939680
or you can supplement which is as easy as eating a skittle.

IS MEAT CONSUMPTION MANDATORY FOR HUMAN HEALTH OR NOT?

DISCUSS BELOW (WITH SOURCES SO WE CAN SEE CREDIBILITY OF ARGUMENTS).

>>40939685
>these levels od projection again
Yeah anon clrarly science and facts about pseudoscientific bullshits baiting. Whatever you say

>>40939752
CORRECTION: MEAT AND DAIRY CONSUMPTION*

>>40939714
>In excess
So don't be a gluttonous slob. I bet you're the type of person that equates abstinence with strong willpower too.

>>40939777
no. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Its always no.

>>40939261
>That's the question though, aside from B12 what is there that you can't get from a vegan diet? >https://authoritynutrition.com/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/

>>40939752
NO READ THE THREAD SOURCES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED

>>40939844
k

>>40934380
Try an elimination diet. Go down to a basic yet strict chicken and green veg diet, then introduce different foods and see how your body responds. If you don't see results, try cutting out meat and the green veg. Video is of a girl who did this and had her depression was helped, which led them to believe her depression could be inflammation based.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1085&v=A6g_geYeL4U

>>40939780
I eat meat occasionally, I even fish sometimes. Not sure what your problem is? Mad you cant straw man me as a typical vegan I guess.

>>40939901
You're not vegan at all you dumb cunt. Why do people think they can invent their own definitions for established words?

>>40939892
nice, that's Jordan Peterson in the video too.

>>40934380
If you're crazy enough to be a vegan you're crazy enough to try helminthic therapy (give it a google)

It's got theoretical backing and a lot of anecdotal success but hasn't completely made it through clinical trials

>>40939988
Where did i say i was a vegan?

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>>40939358

>That is actually the textbook definition of omnivore.

An omnivore is simply a species that has been observed to eat foods from more than one kingdom (plant, animal, fungi). The whole point of omnivorism is to be able to survive on any food source, not to make it harder to survive by requiring you to gather more types of food. It makes it so that if you have plants available, you can survive on those, if you have meat available, you can survive on that, if you have both available, you can eat both and double your food supply. An animal can be omnivorous and still not be well suited to meat or plants, because it doesn't have to be.

>>40940313
can you survive solely on meat?

>>40940327
Survive yes but it will be a shorter and worse life.

>>40939826

This is misleading since those are compounds that the human body makes. It's in animals and not plant foods because animals synthesize them, not plants. Humans are animals and synthesize their own.

>>40940327

Yeah, they do in some parts of the world. Those parts of the world aren't exactly known for their health and longevity though.

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>>40934380
Cutting dairy will do the trick in most cases. In cases of hypertension, diabetes and obesity. Then you could start limiting meat and cooking oils if you want the perfect diet.

Rice, potatos, noodles, beans are must. Eating only fruits you will not feel satisfied neither you will have the energy and vigor.

>>40940327
>>40940361
so what's confusing is, why can we survive on one alone(plant foods) but not with the other (Meat) without detrimental health effects that is.

>>40940342
It's authoritynutrition, a complete bullshit site. Read their keto beginner page, laugh and then cry when you realise there are probably tens of thousands actually following that retardation believing it's balanced and healthy.

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>>40940366
>Rice, potatos, noodles, beans are must. Eating only fruits you will not feel satisfied neither you will have the energy and vigor.
good goy, eat those cash crops! They won't do anything to your digestive tract, trust me silly goyim! Fruits don't give you "vigor" don't you know!

>>40940385
It isn't confusing at all, plants are our main "natural" source of food but we can eat meat too if available. Only that nowadays meat is readily available all the time so we only started to realise continuous meat consumption is generally bad in the last ~60 years. Read >>40940313.

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>>40940385

Because we clearly lean more towards the herbivore side. Most people would accept that. The debate is how much meat in the diet is bad. Mainstream health authorities put limits like 6oz a day of lean, preferably white meat. Some people like >>40934438 are beginning to advocate more strict practices like avoiding regular meat consumption altogether. On the other end of the spectrum are some crossfit-type fad diets that say you should eat mostly meat, but they aren't a serious part of the discussion.

>>40940453
Not sure if bait or just confused, but you do realise no one eats those foods in the US, and they are dirt cheap. Meanwhile meat, dairy, processed junk and treating peoples chronic disease are all pretty big business.

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>>40940453

>beans are a plot by the jews to make big money!

>>40940385
>Implying a vegan diet isn't the same.
It would be even worse without the modern sups supporting the lifestyle. We are naturally meant to eat both, just because you've figured out a way to eat a bunch of artificial stuff so you can skip meat doesn't mean that you we aren't naturally meant to eat both.

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>>40940504
>no one eats rice, potatos, noodles, beans
>in the US
>mfw
You know what they don't eat in the US? FRUIT
>hey guys grains and starch is better than fruit
>you serious? everyone knows fruit is pretty much always better
>NO DUDE STARCH IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MEAT AND DAIRY, SHIT IS PROCESSED YOU KNOW

>>40940504
They are dirt cheap because they are subsidized and owned by Monsanto you dumb mong. Lol dairymen are not some corporate fat cats they walk in shit for a living.

>>40940551
This had been covered before, the only sup you need is B12, and this is not due to the nature of a vegan diet.

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>>40940540
>I failed 6th grade social studies and don't know what a cash crop is
>I'm a jew and I still get offended by jew jokes on fourchan

>>40940551
>Implying meat eaters don't use supplements too

>>40940540
Fuck brah, you ever read East of Eden? Beans are a great way to get rich!

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Everyone is eating the corn guys! It is subsidised for the VEGAN agenda. Those goyim are going to eat all the corn!

>>40940582
The best thing is when they supplement basic vitamins. Dem evil plants!

>>40940607
Is this terrible post supposed to have a point?

>>40935823
But what about hormesis?

>>40939989
Why I posted and believe it more than what others say. It may not be understood completely, but I'm glad she's better now. I bet an elimination diet would really help anyone, since it singles out foods that hurt you more than help.

>>40940635
I think the saturated fat may have gone for your brain, but let me spell it out. The subsidised crops are not used to feed people.

>>40940555
And I spend ~60 bucks every month just for fruit. Do I win?

>>40934542
Then you get your protein from hemp or brown rice protein powder. Also soy powder is pretty good with some cereal, honey, cinnamon and a bit of cocos flakes.

>>40940582
I mean stupid ones do. I guess anyone can fall victim to the supplement Jew. I never made an implications about what meat eaters do or don't do I just pointed out that exclusively eating meat or plants isn't healthy for a human.

>>40940717
But you have no logic for this, other than "you need to take B12, so there".

>>40940659
>2% cereals and other
>2% starch
>3% high fructose corn syrup
haha are you actually retarded?
>they use it for other things
>Therefore they don't use it for food!
>when people eat corn they don't actually eat corn, it's something else! with a much lower profit margin!
Try logic once in your life.

I also love not only how you cherrypicked corn, but you cherrypicked corn when you DIDN'T EVEN ORIGINALLY MENTION IT

>>40940684
Is that supposed to be a lot of money? If you're too poor to eat right then that's your problem

>guys mcdonalds is a must!
>because it's cheap! everyone should eat it!

>>40940773
Yeah, I was confused given that the things you said are not subsidised at all, except wheat, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant corn, soy etc.

fuck im gonna cum

>>40940818
rofl when did I mention subsidised? Potatos, rice, and wheat are all cash crops.

>>40940793
Well it equates to like 400 calories worth of fruit every day, I guess that's quite a lot. Eating a lot of fruit is a luxury anon.

>>40940564
This is what I was replying to.

>>40940880
>not eating at a dining hall then 6 figures starting

Anyways if you say fruit is expensive that's one thing but the original argument was that it's actually healthier to instead a lot of grains and starches which is completely wrong, he was even talking about "the perfect diet". Rice and potatoes pretty much never and noodles literally never.

>>40934380
b12

>>40940973
supplement

>>40940956

>the original argument was that it's actually healthier to instead a lot of grains and starches which is completely wrong

What's wrong with whole grains and healthy starches like sweet potatoes and beans?

>>40941012
Carbs make you fat, bro.

>>40941064

*flexes abs*

Oh

>>40941012
This is what he said
>Rice, potatos, noodles, beans are must
Beans are fine, and potatoes doesn't refer to sweet potatoes. So 3 of them are objectively bad for you(better than a lot of foods but assuming you're optimizing your diet completely), and the 4th, while there's nothing wrong with it, is hardly a "must"

Also whole wheat pasta is better than white but not by much, still usually heavily processed, has gluten, and is still basically just empty carbs.

>>40941091
>Gluten is bad maymay.

>>40941100
it affects everyone differently, but most people would be better without it.

Try not eating it for a couple weeks then come back and eat a bunch of bread and tortillas. You will feel like dogshit for the entire day.

>>40941091

>Also whole wheat pasta is better than white but not by much, still usually heavily processed, has gluten, and is still basically just empty carbs.

I think you just associate the word pasta with bad food. It's just whole grain wheat kernels made into noodle shapes.

>>40941122
You. Are. Retarded.

>>40941125
does that disprove anything I said? Is artifically selected, ground and cooked wheat supposed to be good for you?

>>40941139
? I thought it was bullshit too until I tried it, mad because you don't wanna give up your breadybread?

>>40941122

>it affects everyone differently, but most people would be better without it.

Less than 1% of the population has an allergy-like reaction to gluten. Anything else is either because the gluten is coming in the form of white bread or cookies that are in and of themselves bad for you, or a placebo caused by scaremongering over gluten.

>>40941165
>What is placebo effect
When I left fat mode I cut out almost all carbs (including bread/wheat) and didn't get some magical boost in energy blah blah. You. Are. Retarded.

>>40941181
nice source

>>40941165

>does that disprove anything I said? Is artifically selected, ground and cooked wheat supposed to be good for you?

Yes, boiled whole wheat is good for you, as other whole grains are. Am I supposed to read "artificially selected, ground and cooked" and think that sounds too unnatural to be good for you?

>>40941209

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3884535/

>Celiac disease is an inflammatory disease of the small intestine with a prevalence of roughly 0.5%–1%. Its symptoms arise in response to gluten consumption by genetically predisposed persons.

>>40941224
>as other whole grains are
>rice is good for you
also cooking something raises GI and they are artificially selected to be better tasting(and as a result less nutritious)

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>>40941256
>celiac disease is the only form of gluten intolerance
Look at him. Look at him and laugh

>>40934380
Look into omega 3 fatty acids. They are the stuff that a lot of people are lacking and have anti-inflammatory properties. Can't go wrong here. Btw what disease do you have?

>>40941269

You'll be surprised to learn that rice, too, comes in whole grain form.

>also cooking something raises GI and they are artificially selected to be better tasting(and as a result less nutritious)

Artificial selection doesn't make something unhealthy or necessarily less nutritious. All common vegetables are artificially selected. The orange carrot in your local grocery store was made more nutritious by artificial selection.

>>40941295
oh, there's other kinds of gluten intolerance? pls explain?

>>40941295
Can you stop shitting on this thread with your gluten hypochondriac bullshit.

>>40941295
You're an idiot take your gervais and leave.

>>40941295

Symptoms of non-celiac gluten intolerance:

>Eyes are covered by thick... rimmed glasses
>Chest becomes enveloped in a plaid-patterned fabric
>Tattoos of shitty nobody bands develop in patches on the skin
>Inability to correctly use the word "literally"

>>40941357
>>40941369
>>40941370
>>40941380
https://www.verywell.com/five-different-types-of-gluten-allergy-562305

here you go morons.

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>>40941380
Hahahaha pic related

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>>40941396
>BuzzFeed tier sources

>>40941396

What's verywell.com? Is that a peer reviewed medical journal?

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>>40941380

>>40941419
>>40941411
>can't read citations
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22345659
like any of you could understand an actual scientific article

>>40941438
>as 'a chronic small intestinal immune-mediated enteropathy precipitated by exposure to dietary gluten in genetically predisposed individuals'. Classical CD was defined as 'CD presenting with signs and symptoms of malabsorption. Diarrhoea, steatorrhoea, weight loss or growth failure is required.'
Hmmmmm seeing as most people don't exhibit these symptoms in s chronic fashion which is
>Required
I would say you're about as full of diarrhoea as a true celiac sufferer after a shredded wheat breakfast.

>>40941438

>The term gluten intolerance has been used both as a synonym of CD and to indicate that a patient experiences a clinical improvement after starting a GFD, even when he/she does not have CD. 8, 76, 122, 155–166 However, we believe the term gluten intolerance is non specific and carries inherent weaknesses and contradictions. Although gluten intolerance could be a consequence of poor digestion, it could also be the effect of some lectin-like properties of gluten or foods generated from gluten that cause GI upset. Another problem is that gluten intolerance may not truly reflect intolerance to gluten but to other wheat components.156 Because of these contradictions, we recommend that the term gluten intolerance should not be used and that gluten-related disorders be used instead.

No indication of the prevalence either.

>>40934380
Eat lean meats and veggies(fuck potatoes.) Vegans brought up eating meat want to feel superior but secretly hate their lives.

>>40941438

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24885375

>This prospective survey shows that NCGS has a strong correlation with female gender and adult age. Based on our results, the prevalence of NCGS seems to be only slightly higher than that of celiac disease.
>the likely NCGS prevalence in the general population should be slightly higher than 1%.

>>40934863
And then we started eating meat and we became really fucking smart

>>40939073
"normal" as in carotene-deprived and prone to skin cancer due to oxidative damage from radiation?

>>40939198
Have you heard of cholesterol, doofus? Have you heard of tigers developing arteriosclerosis from munching on too many steaks or donuts? News flash, carnivores don't develop arteriosclerosis, their blood vessels don't allow for lipid plaque buildup due to any amount of cholesterol.

>>40941122
Say that to my level of Seitan+Soy Sauce consumption and not online and see who gets the heart attack.

>>40941935
correction:
and then we started cooking and we came really fucking smart!

>>40942002

>carnivores don't develop arteriosclerosis, their blood vessels don't allow for lipid plaque buildup due to any amount of cholesterol.

If their blood cholesterol is high, they develop plaques. It's just that in most circumstances their body can keep their cholesterol low even when they eat large amounts of animal fat and cholesterol.

>>40942083
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores.

You are genetically designed to NOT withstand the effects of eating animal fat over a long period of time. You are damaging your blood vessels (literally paralyzing the normal plaque cleanup mechanisms) by eating animal protein.
You cannot stay healthy by eating animal products. B12 costs you approximately 0.3¢ a day.
What is your argument for still eating animal products again?

>>40942166

I agree with you for the most part, just that specific claim wasn't totally accurate, as pointed out by the second sentence you quoted. Carnivores can develop plaques, it's just abnormal, whereas in humans plaques are almost universal because we try to eat like carnivores.

>>40942217
Or is it because we try to eat like herbivores? Vegans die of cardiac arrest too ya know.

>>40942271

Sure, a vegan can take too much cocaine and die of cardiac arrest, but when it comes to atherosclerosis, they have a lower chance of developing arterial plaque and dying of a heart attack or stroke.

>>40942271
Considering more meat eaters develop atherosclerosis i'd say it's because we try to eat like carnivores.

I love seeing vegan threads on here. I turned vegan after watching vegangainz and then watching nutrition facts and then watching a few factory farm videos.

I've lost 10 lbs since turning vegan.

Health + Environment + Sustainability + Compassion.

>>40942309
Vegan doesn't mean anything to do with healthy eating. Vegan can mean beer and oreos

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Cbd is deflammatory. Just eat meat and vape doooood.

>>40942341

Right, but that also doesn't have anything to do with the argument

>>40942309
>>40942313
Hmm it seems to me the vast difference in both size of population and diversity of population would make any conclusions drawn between the outcomes of statistical analysis of people who have meat and dairy in their diet ( which includes good knows to which varying degrees) vs a fringe subset of the population who eats none at all but still develop the same heart issues very susceptible to sample bias.

>>40942331
>Muh moral high ground
Killing animals isn't unethical. It's beautiful.

>>40939159
are you a real human

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>>40942381
Very Good

>>40942217
Humans can tolerate small amounts of animal products occasionally for a higher survival chance of the entire species, but still suffer a risk of developing chronic diseases.
It's almost as if it was an evolutionary advantage to occasionally suck on the leftover bones of a tiger's meal and get all the blood, iron and fat out of the bone marrow, and then continue to scavenge for roots, veggies and fruits for the rest of the day.

Life must have been rough as a primitive man before the widespread use of fire for cooking starchy tubers, which grow anywhere any time of the year, unlike fruits, which only grow in select sunny spots during summer, unlike meat, which has to be hunted for with a less than 100% rate of success and makes you sick.
Even the modern-day, primitive tribes living in African steppes get between 70-90% of their calories from plant sources.

The only diet that has been clinically proven to in all cases prevent, in many cases treat and in some cases reverse the top 14 out of 15 unnatural causes of death in the U.S. has been a whole-plant food based diet.(1 of them is accidents)

>>40942271
Vegans die of cardiac arrest because they either had a genetic defect or continued to eat processed foods high in saturated/trans fats.

I'd only tell you to eat a "healthy, whole plant food based diet", not to be a vegan. Avoid processed foods, do your research on nutrition, available foods in your area, necessary supplementation (news flash, the meat you eat is being supplemented with B12 from bacteria cultures anyway, thanks to modern hygiene we no longer drink bacteria infested water, but also don't get our B12 from it, instead we have to produce the B12 ourselves, for the great cost of 0.3cents for a daily dose)

>>40942381
I still wear leather shoes, benefit from modern medicine that relies on animal testing and couldn't give two flying fucks about suffering animals while there is still a single human on the planet that is starving.

>>40942370
tard

>>40939098
not even the other guy you are being unbelievably useless in this conversation please execute yourself

>>40942489
What about ice age, faggot?

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>>40942381
You gotta make sure you catch the blood quick for that sweet sweet morcela

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>>40942530

>>40942518
Mediocre movie, what about it?

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>>40942541
Don't forget to save the intestines for to make your casings

>>40942545
a good 5/10 (they started getting lazier as years went by, but what franchise doesn't amirite?)

>>40942545
So niggers get 90% of their calories from plants and white people survived on red meat for 10k years. Vegan faggots btfo.

>>40942541
You realise most of us posting the stuff in here are not even ethical vegans and, given that this is 4chan, are probably desensitised completely to any gore you could throw at us.

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>>40942554
Then you put it together with the heart, lungs, brains and onions and pack it into your casings.

>>40942574
go back to /pol/

>>40942594
>>40942554
yikes, that looks like a one way street to cancer and heart disease, not jealous at all desu.

>>40942370

>the vast difference in both size of population and diversity of population would make any conclusions drawn between the outcomes of statistical analysis of people who have meat and dairy in their diet ( which includes good knows to which varying degrees)

Research methodology makes this a non-issue. Even ignoring strict vegans and vegetarians though, there's a clear and obvious trend around the world with diets low in meat and people with low burdens of heart disease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfnoKJAK6FE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbQ82ld-4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAr6iuxuqQ

Where heart disease occurs in societies that eat more meat, you can directly attribute this to the effects of constituents of meat (saturated fat and cholesterol) on circulating cholesterol, among other things in meat.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459
http://www.bmj.com/content/314/7074/112.long

>>40942518
Whataboutism is a term describing a propaganda technique used by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War.
What about your Communist agenda leaking out, Ivan?

There's neither a cold war nor a very cold age we have to live in right now, what's your argument again?

>>40942630
To me 10k years seems like a long period of time. Gg easy.

>>40942617
so should the answer be to limit meat consumption or get rid of it all together?

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>>40942594
Then you fry it up and eat it.
>>40942610
Actually offal is the most nutritional part of any animal, there is no fat and it is full of extra vitamins and minerals you can't get in meat.
>>40942590
I don't care about most of you. I said that killing and butchering an animal is beautiful and indeed it is. I'm not posting this in an ironic way. I have felt the warm blood gush on my hands and I will never let my ancestors traditions die with me.

>>40942688

"full of extra vitamins and minerals you can't get in meat."

Im guessing you meant plants. What vitamins and minerals?

>>40942688
Looks greasy and disgusting honestly. If your gonna eat meat at least don't ruin it like this, you disgusting slob.

>>40942699
No I meant meat. Plants too because of iron and stuff, but eating all the organs is how people like the inuits survived eating little to no vegetables. It's also super high in the type of vitamin d3 the kind that is readily absorbed by the human body.

>>40942687

That's the big question. Since meat itself is known to cause health problems, it probably is best to avoid eating it regularly, not just eat less. Sort of like you might enjoy a slice of birthday cake a few times a year and it's probably not going to have a noticeable effect on your health, but you wouldn't want to eat birthday cake every day even if you limit it to one slice a day.

not even memeing this is one of the most educational threads I've ever read on here and will actually truly consider veganism. I only consume some whey in bars and one meal containing chicken a day but looking at the sources I literally can't see a reason to go vegan if you don't have some sort of chronic illness or are unable to obtain b12 somehow.

>>40942735
Just fried in a bit of olive oil. Not greasy at all. The texture is smooth with bits of rice and onion and a satisfying crunch from the lightly fried intestinal casing.
It tastes like in n out animal style without the grease actually.

is there a way to save threads?

>>40942750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8yikz5bOEQ
This is also mindblowing, at least it was for me.

>>40942811

Just save the URL, pretty much every thread gets archived when it dies and can still be accessed

>>40942832
thanks for making me cum

>>40934396
Completely wrong, in veganism like in any diet. You can eat all carbs or you can eat no carbs at all

>>40942830
thanks my dude I will watch when time is available

>>40944242
So carbs aren't inflammatory?

>>40944369

If we're talking about foods, some are, some aren't. Usually processed sugars and starches are inflammatory while whole foods like fruits, whole grains, and beans are anti-inflammatory.

>>40944435
awesome, thanks.

>>40944435
thanks small penis

>>40942750
Yeah it's a good thread with good advice. Full vegan is more of an ethical thing and less about pure nutrition. I'd say the perfect diet incorporates a little bit of meat in a highly plant based diet. Also meat just tastes great so treat yourself from time to time, there's more to life than perfect health.

>>40940391
>things that tell me facts I don't like are bullshit
>feels over reals

Honestly pescetarianism is the nest diet

I don't see a problem with eating small amounts of meat. Why does it need to be eliminated from your diet? It's extreme. Dairy isn't great, I can agree with that. But how can a person that primarily eats fish, and occasionally eats meat and eggs be unhealthy if they're not eating a SAD diet, but lots of vegetables and nuts and whatnot

I don't see how people can cut out whey though. Whey is the best.

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>>40934380
If you're a fag then go vegetarian.

>>40939613
And none of that disproves anything I posted
>>40942745
>Since meat itself is known to cause health problems
No. It's not.
>it probably is best to avoid eating it regularly, not just eat less.
Memes >>40935197.

>>40942750
>>40946093
Vengan threads are so me of the worst if not the worst threads on /fit/ and constantly full of pseudoscientific bullshit people like you want to find any excuse to believe.
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>>40946596
Although I'm vegan I'm inclined to agree that from a health perspective pescetarianism is probably the healthiest, but there are plenty of other reasons other than health (inb4 talking about non-health stuff on the health and fitness board) that outweigh the health benefits of eating fish.

>>40947527
Animal fat causes arteriosclerosis.
Animal protein causes inflammation and acidifies the body, therefore causing: damage to blood vessels = arteriosclerosis, stroke, heart attacks, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, Dementia, kidney stones and a whole lot of other chronic, degenerative diseases.
Animals accumulate endotoxins from bacteria infections and metabolism over time, therefore containing literal poison.

What does meat consist of again?

Alright guys, just how awesome does it feel to be plant based. My macros are like 80% carbs yet I'm making the best gains in the gym I've ever made and my running feels super easy. I just feel like I got unlimited energy, like some Tarahumara ultrarunner. Anybody else know these feels?

>>40947688
I'm not vegan and I don't eat fish, except some salmon occasionally . Its contaminated with heavy metals and has the same crap in it that other animal products do that is bad for you.

>>40942811
right click-save page?

>>40948288
What is your main diet?

>>40948203
>Proves my point by posting more memes.

>>40949213
Just starchy carbs, veg, fruit, some nuts, herbs and spices. Nothing fancy.

>>40949451
Whenever I eat an all vegie diet I get super constipated

what do?

>>40949503
Your gut will take time to adjust to any change in fibre intake. Personally I had the opposite problem, and it took quite a few months to get completely better. I couldn't handle beans at all when I started, now it is completely fine.