Obesity

Both of your ideas are terrible you fucking liberal. We shouldn't dump money into more useless ineffective educational programs and we shouldn't cripple private sector business because people are weak stupid sluts.

I propose we tax obesity directly. For every percentage point of bf you have over the obesity limit you get a percentage of your income taxed. That money is then distributed to the fit portion of the population via stimulus checks.

Unemployed obese people go to death camps.

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>>40923209
>I propose we tax obesity directly. For every percentage point of bf you have over the obesity limit you get a percentage of your income taxed. That money is then distributed to the fit portion of the population via stimulus checks.
I like this a lot

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Obesity (and Diabetes, which are pretty much the same thing) are both cause by insulin resistance. Instead of giving these type 2 diabetics MORE insulin they should be fasting to reset their insulin levels while staying away from insulinogenic foods (that produce high insulin when eaten) and switching to fats and proteins. Literally just eat food as its found in nature and you'll be fine, also, fasting is a lost art and a missing link in the western diet.

Look into Dr. Fung if you're interested in this. He's going against the common belief of almost every health professional in his field.

This should get you started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk
Here's his 6 part lecture on "Diabesity". Its about 8 hours of content:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0

>>40923280
And to add, bringing this to the general public is almost impossible since its all about money.
>>40923109

And to consider how we implement this information and get it to the general public, well, I don't know.

They're making a killing off of addictive process carbohydrates and then cashing in again with treatments that don't work.

Its that ol' weak spot of capitalism at work, there is no money in telling people to eat nothing for a week or a day unless you're in the market of selling mouth gags. The cure is there it just needs more attention.

>>40923209
I'm a fatass in recovery and I approve of this idea.

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BRING BACK PUBLIC SHAMING

>>40923280
Obesity causes insulin resistance, not the other way around.
Stop shilling this shit
>against the common belief of almost every health professional in his field
Bullshit everyone who's been to school knows how the cycle of diabetes goes
Obesity -> receptors go back into cells -> high blood sugar -> beta cells produce more insulin -> more receptors into cells -> high blood sugar -> more insulin -> still fucking high blood sugar -> resistance achieved -> beta cells give up like every fat person does as well
this is not fucking new knowledge nor rocket science
if the american educational system cannot provide this simple knowledge you guys are lost anyway
everyone in germany who's been to biology class knows this shit and it still doesn't help since 60% of our adults are obese or fat
Fat people will never change and no knowledge will ever help them
It's their personal choice to be human failures

>>40923209
Taxation seems like the only reasonable way to go about it, yeah.
Too bad that's not gonna happen because of people's fee fees being trampled over, but eh, what the hell. I mean if you are obese, it's no longer just a "few extra pounds", "puppy fat" or whatever those delusional seacows tell themselves.
Maybe even the upper end of the overweight class too, with exemptions for people who are displaying lower body fat percentage (i.e. athletes).

>>40923109
No more fast food ads

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>mfw the US spends a greater % of our budget on Healthcare than countries that have free fucking Healthcare
>mfw we still score worse in most health statistics like life expectancy etc
>mfw fatties are literally causing massive economic problems

The Man and woman with the highest body fat percentage for their sex get publicly executed each month.

A new law makes it so you face no legal repercussions for bullying fat people.

>>40923427
Its a vicious cycle. Your body builds up tolerance to hormones when they're constantly exposed to them. When you eat 6 times a day your insulin levels are always high and that will build up a tolerance in the cells. Therefore you will need more insulin to get the same effect, and over, and over again.

The theory is that when you deprive your body from as much insulin and possible you will get those tolerances down to a healthy level. That includes staying away from insulinogenic foods and incorporating fasting periods into your diet.

>thinking state funded education is the answer
Yeah, nah.

>>40923427
I guess that's why Steve Redgrave has diabetes, huh?

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>>40923209
>please give me free money

You're no better than those fat fucks. The solution is just to abolish health care benefits for obesity and the numbers of obese people will instantly drop.

>>40923498
>>mfw the US spends a greater % of our budget on Healthcare than countries that have free fucking Healthcare
thats also down to price gouging. i.e the UK NHS can negotiate on behalf of +60 million people whereas individual states cannot and private insurance also drives the price up to make a profit

>>40923109
-Ban fast food ads, replace them with fat-shaming ads
-Taxation on processed foods that are really high in sugar, salt...
-Subsidies on healthy foods like veggies, beans and fruits
-Education on nutrition in school
-Free gym memberships/ sports club
And my personla favorite
-Use warning signs for food that makes people fat. Imagine you have a 500 pound guy on a bottle of coke or sweets and a small sign that says: This product is very unhealthy and may lead to diabetes, obesity and early death.

>>40923569
>abolish health care benefits for obesity

I absolutely agree with that idea, but not all obese people are on Medicaid. Probably most are on private insurance. And many are still too young to be suffering from the consequences of their lifestyles. We'd see the numbers drop during the initial die off, but I would imagine they would stabilize.

>>40923544
I never said that doesn't work. It's the only reason why Diabetes 2 patients are exposed to insulin at some point since their resistance was lowered after not having freakishly high blood sugar levels all the time.
Yet again, no rocket science.
People just need to lower their insulinogenic food intake before their beta cells stop producing insulin themselves and the receptors can be restored again
Still this is no new knowledge and could be taught to anyone by reading two text book pages instead of watching 8hrs worth of YouTube videos

what's the problem? if everyone around you is fat it just makes you look better

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>>40923620
>Education on nutrition in school
cico theory or hormonal obesity theory ?
perhaps both let people decide what works for them

>>40923427
Beta cell acting quite beta.

>>40923494
Add autopsy photos of the obese or some other shock photos to fast food bags/wrappers.

Just like they do with cigarettes in other countries.

>>40923687
Well in America the treatment to insulin resistance (diabetes) is more insulin.

Whenever you have a question they say "ask your doctor". But literally asking your doctor is how we got in this fucking mess.

Fat people are addicted to processed carbs, sugar drinks, shit like that for the insulin. All they need to do is witch off of those carbs to fats and proteins and give themselves a fasting period. That means eating til satiated once, twice, three times a day within a 6-8 hour window then not eating again until the next day. That's why its called breakfast; break fast. The art of fasting is ancient and is found in all religions but it has been forgotten. People think the need to eat 6 times a day to keep their metabolism except it should be eat 1 time a day to keep insulin levels low.

>>40923620
I have another suggestion to add to your list, anon.
>remove most subsidies from corn and wheat
>reapply to healthy fruits and vegetables

the reality is: all the information is readily out there on the internet. people either think of themselves as helpless and don't even try or just willfully choose to be a fat pos.

Doesn't Japan require people to go to weight counseling classes if they exceed a certain weight limit? Their obesity rate is like 3% there.

>>40923109
Simple - let Darwin/nature do its job and advertise the results.

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Every fat person should be legally required to fight me once a year. I'll kick their ass, thus giving them motivation to lose weight lest they get their ass kicked again in 365 days

Thoughts?

>>40923280

(You) again, do you get off on this or something? I get it that triggering /fit/ autists is fun, but really this b8 is getting stale.

>>40923109
Get corn syrup out of foods

>>40923109
>Teach basics of dieting and CICO in school
>obesity isnt a 'disease' but a mental disability
>higher taxes on food if you are a certain % bf
>stop giving fatties care workers and let them rot in their houses

>>40923109
I believe that we should change food stamps to not cover candy, ice cream, pre packaged meals, hot or cold deli food (a lot of people I see with stamps buy this stuff), really any kind of snack or junk food.
It should only cover fresh, canned, or frozen fruits and vegetables, fresh or frozen meat (no chicken strips/nuggets/breaded fish), all kinds of basic starches for meals (flour, bread, tortillas, pasta, rice), all dairy, eggs, juice (no sports drinks or anything), and all salad dressings/canned sauces.

A ton of calories for these people come from snacking, not meals. If you make them put an iota of of work into eating, maybe they won't do it so much. Its time to turn government reliance into government assistance again. Maybe if these people learned a skill like cooking they'd be able to go out and get a job and not sit around all day mindlessly
consuming. Obviously some people like the elderly or the disabled cannot spend lots of time cooking or need simple, premade meals, so I think they should get an unrestricted card. Maybe when you apply for food stamps you would need a recommendation from a primary care physician to get the unrestricted card.

>>40924481
agreed if the first fat person you have to fight is fedor or mark hunt

>>40923569
>abolish health care benefits for obesity
That's a good idea

>>40923498
>>40923596
as much as I'd like to blame fatties, this is the real explanation

>>40923109
>How do we solve the obesity epidemic?

Make it illegal.

>>40923209
Sieg Heil

>>40923427
Consume too mamy calories -> higher body fat -> insulin resistance -> obesity

Bumpan

>>40923209
Actually, there was a point in Irish history where they taxed fat/unhealthy people for being fat and unhealthy. Worked pretty well until that whole famine thing

>>40923569
This is the correct answer.

Instead of teaching kids about the food pyramid, teach them about CICO in elementary school and again in high school. It's simple addition and piss easy to learn. Them caring is their own problem.

Also, work towards making fat ridicule more socially acceptable.

>>40927249
I should add, allow health insurance companies to drop fat people if they don't get their act together within a certain time period. Make fatassery exempt from the ADA.

>>40923109

This is all hypothetical, but,
Develop a gene that is triggered by the typical cellular signals of obesity - think fat globules and the associated portions of adipose tissue.

Then the hard part: Develop (de-novo, combinatorial, or win the ncbi lotto) a protein that catalyzes the creation of 2-4-Di-NitroPhenol (DNP)

Bonus points for inserting into a vector that primarily targets fatty/adipose tissue


Either it cures them all, or it kills them all.

Release in Florida, Texas, and Louisiana simultaneously so people might call it the FTL virus (my initials)

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Addictions Specialist here (Actually educated, working on Grad School in a related field):

Obesity is due to food addiction.

It follows the same criteria as other addictions.

Most people can drink socially, but others become alcoholics.

Most people could/can do drugs recreationally but others become addicts.

Most people can have sex normally while others need to compulsively (hookers every week).

Most people can gamble for fun while others lose their life's savings.

There are a large number of people who can eat normally while there are others who eat themselves into obesity.

Everyone of the addictive behaviors I just mentioned has their respective 12-Step programs and it is socially acceptable to shun alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addicts, and gambling addicts.

BUT WOE IS HE WHO TRIES TO USE THIS LOGIC ON A FOOD ADDICT.

It's fucking awful. The fat-acceptance movement is a suicidal path that will cause our life expectancy as a society to drop dramatically. I really don't know what to do when I get into the field because for obese people, losing weight has a tremendously positive affect on their health issues.

It is an epidemic and I would say easily on par with the current heroin epidemic issues. I just see so many obese and morbidly obese people in my every day life in school, work, church, etc. and feel like its a losing battle. I was at a BMI of 30 last November and felt god awful. Worked down to a 27.5 and am upping my gym workouts from 2-3 up to 5 no fucking excuses. I;m 6ft 1 208 pounds and just cannot fathom how people let themselves go over 250. Once I hit 220 I realized I had an issue and made life changes accordingly.

It is not easy, but the alternative is death.

>>40927390
You retard,
If youre going as far as setting up a lytic vector, just have it target adipose tissue and downregulate with signs of good health and a loss of weight, perhaps metabolites like elevated blood ketone levels

Dont make a protein factory when you can just lyse fat cells.

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>>40927417
>1208 pounds
BRUH

>>40924427
Yeah but thatll take at least another decade

>>40927417
Give any citations.
Not that it matters since all psych research is nearly always unreproducible...

It's not addiction: Addiction implies that theyre fundamentally changing their neurotransmitters to a point that they require overeating to function.

Unless you can show me a study suggesting/demonstrating just that.

>>40927474
kek, thought the same at first and took me a second to re-read it.

>>40927666
See
>>40927390
>>40927472
"Accelerated Evolution"

>>40927249
Cutting calories is not the right approach. The food pyramid was made by special interests. Ridiculing fat people will not help, and quite frankly you're less of a person for even suggesting so.

You people are so dumb sometimes it pisses me off. Do some fucking critical thinking and stop perpetuating bad information you know nothing about.

>>40927738
something like this?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763414002140

>>40927784
>Cutting calories is not the right approach
Oh do tell.

>>40927821
"We conclude that “food addiction” is a misnomer because of the ambiguous connotation of a substance-related phenomenon."

I was hoping for you to provide something suggesting or demonstrating a physiological change in neuroreceptors.

Instead you provide something that suggests its a behavioral problem. Which is established.

Im open to more studies if you have them.

>>40927824
Cutting calories only works temporarily. After a while your metabolic rate reduces and you've cur your calories and you're not burning as much as you think you are and you plateau. Study after study shows that when you cut so does your metabolic rate. So what. is. the. fucking. point.

Fasting. Look it up dipshits. Its been practiced since the dawn of man. It has only disappeared in the last 50-100 years, and guess what everyone has also gotten fat in that time.

Fasting helps with diabetes, obesity, sagging skin from weight loss, wrinkles in skin, recycling and restoring old proteins. Fasting is also great for regulating hormones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE#t=2705.02284

Its about WHAT and WHEN you eat. Cutting is the wrong god damn approach. Cut all the fucking carbs out of your diet. Eat all the god damn sat. fats and proteins you want. You won't need to count them cause they NATURALLY SATIATE YOUR HUNGER JUST LISTEN TO YOUR STOMACH.

>>40927784
Oh boy, it's a fat person!

I know youre seeping mad, but what theyre saying is correct and factual.

Theyre not attacking you personally, just your beliefs and your behavior. Its leading to your miserable and accelerated fatty death.

>>40927890
HAES whale detected.
Cutting calories has worked for me and thousands of others for years. I also tried IF at the same amount of calories, but there was no real noticeable benefit. You had an entire thread of people calling you a moron for some very good reasons, yet you appear to have completely ignored it.

>>40927890
show a source that doesn't come from a youtube vid or a forum post (because, let's face it, i can PROVE the existence of the spaghetti monster using those), and then we'll talk

>>40923109
I cured my obesity by reading sticky, ignoring the
>calories in, calories out
part for 1 month, then read it again and then it worked!

You fight ignorance with education. I honestly believed that i was born as fat kid to my morbidly obese mother and fat dad. If only the pe teacher told me how to unfaten me instead forcing me to run which made me hate sport with passion for my whole youth.

I honestly didnt know any better and i bet you usa fats has it the same.

>>40923209

okay - time for an unpopular opinion...

okay, so I'm right wing. categorically. hard work, no mollycoddling, the whole nine yards.

that said I do believe obesity is due to modern diet: namely sugar and refined carbohydrates.

I know, I know - no-one forces them to eat it - but the government does need to stop telling people to load up on bread and grains. They need to take responsibility for that.

Also, I know, I know - you eat refined carbs without issue - good for you. However, obese people are essentially all pre-diabetic. these people don't process carbohydrate like you.

I was enthusiatically for the fat hate threads etc. But after I read Gary Taubes book on 'why we get fat' the case was settled for me.

I know view weight gain as much an involuntary reaction as an allergic reaction.

and yeah - just cos you can eat nuts doesn't mean someone else is responsible for their anaphilactic shock.

>>40927890
It lowers your metabolic rate to a normal persons.

Then you proceed to eat like a normal person.

I went from over 250 to under 170 AND STAYED THAT WAY FOR FIVE FUCKING YEARS because I didnt "diet", I had a lifestyle change.

Take your fat person logic and get the fuck out.

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>>40927921
You're a fucking moron. If IF didn't work for you its because you failed to do it correctly.

>hurr durr everyone else says to do it
Yeah its the power of repetition. You appeal to the "fact" everyone tries it and it works. Guess what, it fucking DOESN'T. Especially if you're obese. If it works for you than you're already at your desired weight and metabolic rate give or take 5-10lbs. AM I CORRECT? YOU KNOW I AM ASSHOLE.

Ignored it? No, I've debunked it. And i'll beat it into every one of your stupid fucking heads by the time I'm through with this place.

>>40927969
Its like fighting off a hoard of uneducated parrots who just keep perpetuating the same advice. I don't believe you for a second. You didn't cut calories by 500-1000 and maintain that for 80 lbs and not gain that weight back. If you did, than you CHANGED YOUR MACROS AND / OR TIME OF DAY YOU ATE.

>>40927970
It's not that IF didn't work, it's that it didn't have any benefits over simple calorie counting.
>It doesn't work
I should tell that to everybody I know who went from obese to skinny/swole by counting calories
I dropped 35 pounds with calorie restriction and kept it off for a year. Over that time, my weight stayed within ~2 pounds of 140 until I started eating more and going to the gym every day.
If calorie restriction doesn't work, it's because you're a moron and can't do grade school addition. You haven't debunked shit. You've been spamming the same links to a single doctor saying that insulin resistance is why people are fat, then gone in an all caps rage at anybody who suggests calorie counting.

>>40923109
>Is this a problem that we should handle on an individual scale, or as a community?

A little of both. The federal government needs to stop publishing "eat low fat" bullshit and publish "eat low glycemic index" guidelines instead.

Also requiring all nutrition labels to contain glycemic index would make it far easier for individuals to not get fat.

>>40928014
You changed your macros and time of day that you were eating. It wasn't that you cut calories, its that you were staying away from INSULINOGENIC FOODS.

>>40927964
Im a hardcore blue democrat.
I volunteered to do taxes for two years for people making under 50k, volunteered at countless homeless shelters, and worked for an aquarium preaching the dangers of global warming for 7 years.

Your suggestions are commie bullshit and unamerican.

Obesity has a POSITIVE correlation with obesity. Every shelter ive worked at is packed wall-to-wall with more food than theyll ever need.

Is it high-carb and processed? Of course. But thats not the fucking problem.

Ive lost weight eating fast food. Physics professors lose weight eating nothing but twinkees to spite people.

The problem is their work ethic and the way they dont even think about their weight.

If anything, there need to be cuts made to welfare - specifically if the people are overweight.

People should NOT be getting fat on tax dollars! Its unamerican.

>>40928065
No, I ate the same kind of food at the same time of day. Funnily enough, I'm doing the same thing except with more calories, and I'm gaining weight now. I also eat fuckloads of carbs and sugar every single day, yet my weight has directly corresponded to calories.

>>40928065
Have you tried calorie counting?

>>40928079
So you lost 35 lbs eating the same shit that you were before but just cutting calories. I don't believe you. If you the foods were carb heavy you would have rebounded. If they were fats and proteins you wouldn't have been fat in the first place because those foods are naturally satiating and you can only eat so much unless you gorge yourself tirelessly. I don't believe a word you're saying anyways.

>>40928011
Its called EATING AT MAINTENANCE LEVELS. After I attained my goal weight I ate at my metabolic rate's consumption level.

Yes. I changed my macros to fit my new metabolic rate. Its that simple.

You should try it.

>>40928087
Yes and I plateaud after 10 pounds and I rebounded. It wasn't until I started fasting and switched to natural foods with sat. fats and proteins. Then the weight poured off me.

>>40928070
I get how it sounds 'commie and unamerican' which is why I felt the need for the qualifier.

still though - I don't think it's as much their fault as you might think.

the physics professor with the twinkies example I am aware of (well, I thought it was oreos) - but I'd be interested to know if he was actually significantly overweight and pre-diabetic - or if he just lost a few pounds (also, since we're on fit I'd REALLY like to know what it did to his body composition).

also, as a physicist myself - I can attest that we have nothing of value to add to that conversation, treating the human body like a Newtonian body seems absurd to the point of wondering if it even needs mentioned.

Not sure if you were saying the physics bit was relevant - but just thought I'd clarify.

>>40928070
Obesity has a positive correlation with poverty*

>>40928138
I don't care if you don't believe me. It's what I did, it's what my friends did, and it's what I still do. I was fat because I'm a 5'9 Elliot Rodger level manlet who was eating 3000+ calories a day. You sound like you have some deep interest in this insulin thing being true, and will irrationally attack anything that doesn't agree with it. Stay fat.

>>40928176
What kind of foods did you eat on your diet. What kind of foods did you eat when you were fat.

>>40928195
I ate the same thing when I was fat, and the same thing in lesser portions when I was cutting, and the same things in slightly larger portions than the cut now.

>>40928173
>>40928070

also, before the next reply I'm going to come half way.

I do think people are responsible for creating the pre-diabetic conditions - but once you have them - calorie counting wont work. You need a corrective diet.


In my case, I know I over indulged for years. I was responsible for where I got to - but calorie counting never worked, and even if it did - Dropping carbs was so much more effective as to make the point irrelevant.

>>40928173
I think you underestimate how deeply corrupting fat logic is. Its actually gotten to the point where obesity is considered a disability and you can lose your job for discriminating against these fat fucks.

Im an undergrad, but built a cosmic ray detector and won a tri-state award for the presentation on the analysis of the data. I consider myself an engineer - but the point is that we both recognize that thermo has very strict rules about all this.

Im a Bioengineer and have studied genetics intensely since I was one of those "muh genetics" fatasses.

Theyre wrong. Theyre all fucking wrong. Even if everything they said was true, it might result in a net change of their metabolism so that they end up using less energy and should JUST EAT LESS.

Calorie-in-calorie-out is all there is to it. Its basic undergrad thermo.

>>40928230
So you admit you were fat and that you think calorie counting doesn't work? Sounds like you were lying to yourself about what you ate,

>>40928218
I understand that man. What kind of foods? Carbs, Proteins, Fats?

>>40928243
Breakfast:
250-300 cal of mixed cereal (cheerios, raisin bran, granola) + egg
Lunch: depends on the day, always includes a spinach, mushroom, egg, onion, and granola salad. I usually have soft serve ice cream with it. Some days I have pizza, some days pork/steak, some days burgers.

Dinner:
>Implying

>>40928230
I have a proposition for you, a logical one.

Consider Occam's razor in the context of your argument for the existence of a prediabetic state that somehow defies the laws of thermodynamics.

Is it simpler to propose that those individuals simply have a collective mass with enough whining force to write entire books shilling this idea that they "just cant lose weight"

Or is there this state of human physiology in which they cannot lose weight even with calorie restrictive diets which would allow for countless funding dollars for doctors to investigate?

>>40928277
And to repeat myself, the only thing I changed between being fat, cutting, and bulking, is serving size. Controlling your weight is simple addition.

>>40928237
Okay you're right - but when I say didn't work I meant fuck this 1lb a week bullshit. was 50lbs overweight and wasn't waiting a year. I guess I should correct and say that it technically it did work. But for me at least low carb was orders of magnitudes better.

If you want to say I didn't have enough willpower to do it your way then fine - I'll admit that. But what does that matter if there was a better way? surely it's a means to an end? and pragmatically, If you want less fat people gobbling up your tax dollars - let's give them the best chance of succeeding.

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>>40923109
Clearly the "individual scale" approach isn't working, nor is increased nutritional education. Even the shittiest schools explain calories in calories out these days and we still have a nation that believes in bullshit instant weight loss shakes or pills or berries or whatever. I'm at the point where I say fuck free speech, start penalizing the shit out of people who knowingly perpetuate false health/nutrition info, CANCEL Dr. Oz and the rest of the daytime talk brigade and fine any network that runs reruns, eliminate food stamps and replace it with 1500 calorie per day diet pre-packaged meals!

>>40928318
So you admit you've spent the past several days freaking out at people and making multiple threads, because you personally didn't have the willpower to stop shoveling shit into your face, and therefore the thousands of people who successfully lost weight are all wrong?
You are why /fit/ hates fat people.

>>40928291
not claiming it breaks the laws of thermodynamics - and it's been investigated. That was the subject of the Taubes book I mentioned.

>>40928318
>>40928230
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

"Total energy expenditure and resting metabolic rate in the subjects with diet resistance (group 1) were within 5 percent of the predicted values for body composition, and there was no significant difference between groups 1 and 2 in the thermic effects of food and exercise. Low energy expenditure was thus excluded as a mechanism of self-reported diet resistance.


In contrast, the subjects in group 1 underreported their actual food intake by an average (+/- SD) of 47 +/- 16 percent and overreported their physical activity by 51 +/- 75 percent. Although the subjects in group 1 had no distinct psychopathologic characteristics, they perceived a genetic cause for their obesity, used thyroid medication at a high frequency, and described their eating behavior as relatively normal (all P < 0.05 as compared with group 2)."

In short,

FAT PEOPLE TEND TO UNDERESTIMATE CALORIC INTAKE BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN AND OVERESTIMATE PHYSICAL EXERCISE BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN

I understand that you think better of people, but its that fucking simple.

>>40923209
As a vague leftist I approve of this but it's strange to see a conservative type propose a taxation.

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>>40923109
>how to read and use nutritional labels

It's pathetic that this is what our society needs, but unfortunately, this is what our society needs. It doesn't have to be a government subsidized thing but this should at the very least be taught privately in households. You can't count on fatties to understand concepts like TDEE or what the different macronutrients do if they don't know how to read labels mean or have a practical sense of what constitutes a calorie.

Just watch an episode of My 600-lb Meme. Notice how the fatties immediately gain all the weight back the instant they leave the hospital and go off a calorie-controlled diet? It's not just because they're pathological eaters but because they're pathologically stupid. They can't count calories for themselves.

Yes, it's dumb to judge reality by a TV show, but in this case it is an unfortunately accurate metric for the fatter, stupider proportion of society. These people can't be trusted counting calories if they don't understand how to count calories. And if they *did* understand how to count calories, they never would have gotten obese to begin with.

>>40928343
freaking out and making multiple threads? and no those thousands aren't wrong - my hats off to them. All I'm saying is I found an easier way. willpower aside - I can't think of a good reason to choose the hard way over the easy way all else being equal.

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>>40928385
>Reading labels and addition
>Hard

>>40923109
heavily tax anyone who exceeds more than 3000 calories of consumption a day. This scales up according to a person's actual profession if they actually require a higher amount of nutrients and arent just slobs ie bodybuilding. People are maintained under this control through registration once someone exceeds a certain weight, which can be tracked through various forms of registration already present that can implement weight measuring (such as having a person weighed for a driver's license, passport, any other form of identification). That or just track down and throw fat people into holes in the ground dug around major cities to let them rot

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Remove health care coverage for obesity related illnesses. You wanna be morbidly obese? I don't care, neither should the rest of society. Either you gonna stop or you're gonna die.

Everything hurts because you're too heavy? Go fuck yourself. In need of medication because your blood pressure is too high? Go fuck yourself. You need to be sent to a zoo / vet to have your ct scan done because you're too large? Go fuck yourself.

Maybe the gene pool needs a little chorine once in a while.

>>40928352
"I do think people are responsible for creating the pre-diabetic conditions - but once you have them - calorie counting wont work. You need a corrective diet"

If calorie counting doesnt work, then they are quite literally breaking the laws of thermodynamics. If they take in less energy than they expend and manage to gain nonwater bodymass, doesnt that imply just that?

dE (dot) = m(dot)x(dH + 1/2 (v2^2-v1^2) + gdz)
Assuming dV and dZ are negligible (lets say they dont exercise) then its just food intake and their basal metabolic rate, and lets exclude heat exchange and work since we're taking exercise out of the equation.

If h2 < h1 (intake less than expenditure, I guess, Im just blowing smoke) then they lose weight.

>>40923209
>bitches at a guy for being liberal
>proposes a gluttony tax

You're the fucking liberal.

The only solution need is to get rid of the individual mandate AND the healthcare laws that prevent insurance companies from cutting people for arbitrary reasons.

Fatties won't be insured. They won't cause your rates to go up. One could realistically start a "fit people only" insurance company that does annual DEXA scans on customers to ensure low bf%.

The market will solve the problem, not more taxes. Fucking college "conservatives" are just libs in disguise.

>>40928432
Write to god-emperor Trump to replace the secretary of health to this man.

>>40928399
mate for fuck's sake! OP asked what do we do about the obesity epidemic. I'm sure you'll admit that calorie in calorie out advice has well enough permeated common knowledge that everyone knows what do do and yet STILL doesn't do it. As a former one of those fatasses who knew and didn't do it I shared what to me at least was a much easier way to solve my weight problem.

Again, OP wants rid of fat people - whether they can't or wont do it on calorie restriction is irrelevant. It's not happening.

>>40928382
It's not about inability to count. It's inability to fight basic cravings. They lack will power, then they typically fall into a slight psychosis trying to explain away their inability to do basic addition. Hence a bunch of fatties claiming they eat very few calories. It's their way of explaining away their weaknesses as people.

>>40928458
you're being really autistic about this 'calorie counting wont work' thing

Im not saying the laws of physics is suspended in fat people. I'm saying the population is getting fatter in spite of calorie counting guidance. perhaps we should settle on the collective approach to the obesity problem (advising counting calories) doesn't work.

>>40928473
"Fatties won't be insured. They won't cause your rates to go up."

Even if we did remove the portions of the ACA that prevent insurers from bailing on people since it stops being profitable (which is bullshit, what if you get cancer?) The healthcare system will still cover these fucks when they go to the emergency room after being airlifted from their apartment. Its just part of the hyp oath.

Their uninsured care WILL cost people money.

Unless you propose to let healthcare providers let these people die (which wont happen even with a tripple-red US) it's still tax dollars wasted on a waste of flesh.

>>40923209
>obesity tax
>not liberal

>>40928513
" I'm saying the population is getting fatter in spite of calorie counting guidance."

You know what happens when you give up on the solution that we keep proposing? Theyll start cheering. Theyll say "See? Calorie counting doesnt work! Lets continue to eat dozens of these organic low-glycemic index cookies without thinking about those silly calories"

I thought conservatives were more adamant about their work when they know a solution works.

Let me give you a metaphorival example: These city-loving hippies are complaining about the jobs theyre not getting because theyre not qualified to do them and have no intention of going to school to get qualified.

Rather than tell them to get training or schooling, let's say that schools dont work and they should try this alternative message.

Unless that alternative method is proven to be more effective, youre introducing crosstalk into the field. Thats not helping.

>>40928540
>Unless you propose to let healthcare providers let these people die (which wont happen even with a tripple-red US)

I do. The Hippocratic oath is not legally binding. Hospitals should turn fat people away.

There will only be serious improvements to the problem is there are serious consequences. You think you're gonna eat that donut at 22% body fat if all of you healthcare coverage is voided if you reach 23%? No way.

Only liberals think the population won't adapt. We have to crack some eggs to make this omelette. Real consequences for causing real problems.

Also, lol @ people saying taxes will solve this. You can't squeeze blood from a stone. You think poor niggers are going to respond to extra taxation? They have no money. NOTHING. My fiancee's uncle just spent a month in the hospital after having renal failure die to lifestyle choices (fat fuck, drink 6-10 beers a day). He is penniless and will leave without paying anything. You want to tax this man? Good luck. If you had threatened him with denial of care 25 years ago, he might have changed.

Also, make providers give cost of services up front, or strip their ability to ruin credit. Don't honor their contracts as valid if they don't quote ahead of time. This should be the case for ALL industries, not just medicine. Have to change tort law dramatically.

>>40928607
so if I could prove low carb is effective you'd get off my case?

>>40928628
Honestly, as a blueblooded liberal I WISH we could pass legislation like that.

But it wont happen.

And youre mistaken that they have nothing. You have to dig deeper and think like a poor fat bitch.

They get student loans and scholarships. Put obesity limits on those and the squeeze will at least limit their mcdonalds intake.

>>40928653
I lost most of my weight with keto.
But keto doesnt change the energy equation, it just shifts the basal metabolic rate (the equilibrium point).

Im not saying other diets dont work, but dont propose keto as a magic bullet without explaining how it works in the context of calorie-in-calorie-out.

I preach about keto, but I ALWAYS explain how the metabolism of adipose tissue to create blood ketones that are a sugar analogue for the brain is an exergonic reaction that works in your favor when dieting.

Plus Im too fuckin stupid to keep a running count of 2500, but I can keep a tally running to 20 for grams of carbs.

>>40928665
>Honestly, as a blueblooded liberal I WISH we could pass legislation like that.
>But it wont happen.

Can I help you along your journey to enlightenment?

Why won't it happen? Could it be because we give the right to vote to the VERY people that this legislation would negatively affect (penniless fat fucks)?

Here's your first step to becoming an ex-liberal: why should people who don't pay taxes, or even have a negative tax footprint (take more out in welfare than they pay in) get to vote? The entire government is run via taxes. Why should people who don't contribute get to pay.

The founding fathers weren't some morons. They had the land-owning clause for representation for a reason. Total democracy is a joke of a system. Non-contributors should not have any say. We are well past tyranny of the (useless) majority in this country.

>>40928717
If I gave the impression that keto was a magic bullet, trumped energy balance or anything like that I'll apologise for the miscommunication.

what I meant all along was that I found keto easier - and that since fatties find calorie counting too hard (whether that because they're weak willed or whatever) then maybe try keto. That's all

You don't have to do anything other than normalise fat shaming and create a culture that is not accepting of laziness/gluttony.

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I know it might sound crazy, but how about we just kill all fat people with well organized pogroms throughout the country. We'll also target high profile fatties, like celebrities and politicians.

Before it turns into a full blown genocide, the fatties will either:

A. Lose weight
B. Flee the country
C. Commit suicide

>>40928754
Im just talking about the legislature we have right now. And Im not just talking about Democrats pulling some filibuster shit.

What youre proposing (literally letting people die at the doorstep of hospitals) is WILDLY unpopular, with democrats as well as many republicans (something about jesus I think).

And Im middle-of-the-line with fiscal policy because of my experience with the poor, but I'll never endorse the limitations of birth control (really think it should be mandatory until people reach a certain level of income)

>>40928806
I think it would be better as announced program. Give 6 months to see what they can do and then start the cull

>>40928765
Ohhh!

Yeah, I usually assume people who are obese but not HAES-type retards know calorie counting is effective but wont exert the effort to do it. I tell them keto is EASIER, as easy as counting to 20, and that I lost over 75lbs in 6 months eating nothing but jack-in-the-box five+ days a week using this one weird trick.

For HAES, I dont bother telling them how a diet works, but I try to get them to concede that they cant defy the laws of thermo and try to work from there.

Sorry for the confusion on my part.

...By the way, whats your research focus?

>>40928806
dear lord she's beautiful

>>40928806
That's why I propose the development of a virus that produces DNP in obese people.

Either they lose weight or die.

>>40928806
We should also kill the fat sympathizers, like those who would give them refuge out hide them.

>>40928844
>giving them time to prepare

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The fact that we elect people like pic related to run our country, and use taxpayer money to fill his fucking hole with all he can eat disgusts me.

>>40928851
>research focus

lol, I usually put 'physicist' in inverted commas - I teach physics. PhD and research was the original plan - but I got put off by the whole applying for funding bullshit. So bailed after my masters. Also, I live in a country where my teacher salary is almost double what my RA mate gets - so yeah, fuck that. almost went back a few years ago - got offered a placement in RF research - but couldn't face going back to being skint for 3 years.

>>40928969
Ah.
Which country?

>>40928997
Scotland. rapidly becoming an unfriendly place for conservative views (fuck Nicola Sturgeon). I'd love to go to America but from what I can tell teachers are the literal lowest rung on the ladder over there.

>>40923209
>useless ineffective educational programs
And here ladies and gentlemen, is a guy who ever went to school

>>40923109
Ban sugar.

>>40923280
In America they look at you crazy if you tell them to skip meals even once.They see it as anorexic behavior the concept of fasting just doesnt click for them.

>>40929019
Teachers get fuckall for pay. Their union is the only thing keeping them from becoming a meme, but with Trump's new sec of ed we'll end up paying teachers less than starbucks workers and get less benefits.

Ironic, huh?

>>40929026
It depends on the school area. A majority of the obese population, especially children come from minorities, specifically blacks and hispanics. They tend to be in lower income areas. Money is dumped into these schools to try and bring up grades yet nothing happens because of the cultural attitude towards food in general/ignorance/poverty

Poverty isn't so much the issue as ignorance is but even if you were to go these lower income schools, implement cooking classes and nutritional guides.

It would be a waste of time and money.

>>40927417
>There are a large number of people who can eat normally while there are others who eat themselves into obesity.
What a load of fucking bullshit

HALF the population of the western world is obese

HALF

There is NO other form of addiction that comes close to that.

>>40929060
Yeah, as much as I was all for the glorious downfall of Hillary - I knew trump would mean I'd get fucked if I ever did get over. Maybe I'll be a coal miner?

>>40923109
1. Turn physical education class into physical fitness. Out of a five day school week, two days in the class learning about health and nutrition and three days running, lifting weights, and doing general physical training. Merge language arts and reading class in schools that separate them.

2. Drastically increase taxes on shitty foods and drinks like soda, candy, poptarts, etc

3. Decrease taxes on healthy foods, and give a subsidy to companies who produce these foods.

If all else fails, kill all fatties.

>>40929092
Honestly, nothing really looks good right now. He put in a margin of a percentage into nasa and cut nih and other science funding deeply. Hes actively killing science in the US.

Hows the funding there? If I can do my labwork and come home to a single malt every day Id be rather satisfied.

>>40929227
I'd heard that about the sciences. I think most people felt assured the republicans could keep him on a leash. Not fully versed in your system there but is there a limit to how many executive orders he can push through when he can't get backing?

>>40929261
God-emperor Trump can push all the exec orders he wants. Already shat out over 10 in only a few week I think.

We have 3 branches of government, and the repubs are sorta taking all 3. Problem is the republicans are composed of oldschool conservatives and the newer ones who are kinda just batshit insane sometimes and wont get over this new meme they came up with.

Not that democrats are all that awesome, but at least we'd have some goddamn funding for what makes America great - Tech.

>>40923209
i agree with all of this, i would only like to add insurances plans aimed at decreasing costs to people who lead active lifestyles, have prerequisites similar to army PT or something.

>>40923109
stop making food so delicious

people are being mean to fasting and it's making me sad. cico works, ala thermodynamics, but fasting also works similarly, and improves healing long term
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25881054
Fasting is useful, I sound fucking looney when I give personal examples but I find that adding weekly fasts and using IF have helped me recover from many nagging soft tissue injuries I've had from sports and lifting.
I lift and run daily even when I have complete fasts.

>>40928014
Plenty of studies show that a human can very well produce fat without insulin..there needs to be more consideration.. insulin is not the only concern.

>>40929026
Nope. I'm a guy who went to private schools.

>>40923109
WE don't. It's up to people to change their habits for themselves.

>>40923209
Nice edgy shitpost dumbass. Educating people is the best thing you can do, since many fat fucks have retarded misconceptions about weight loss, and kids are already required to go to school, maybe they could learn something useful for once. You wouldn't even have to spend additional money on this shit. And making people pay for their mistakes often achieves just the opposite of what you'd expect, because it removes their guilt, since having paid money for it makes it okay in their mind.

>>40923209

I agree, except the money from the obese tax should go free gym memberships and gym maintenance for all. This gives the fatass both the carrot and the stick needed to lose weight.

People are fat because they have too much freedom. Mandatory fat camps are the only solution.

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>>40923209
>when "libs" want to use taxpayer money for shit it's not okay
>but when I want to arbitrarily tax people for their life choices, it is
Really made me think.

>>40933113
Government run education in the US is a joke. It's a daycare and a prison preparatory program. Performance has been steadily declining for decades despite huge increases in funding. Proper nutrition is not fucking rocket science and the information is already currently being taught in every school in the country.

Your fucking faggot cuck democrat solution to everything is to take my goddamn money from me and burn it as a sacrifice to some African god. Well fuck you and fuck fat people. I say we take your money and give it to people who aren't too retarded to understand how to fucking eat food without killing themselves and see how they use it.

>>40933163
>arbitrarily

You can be rightwing and not be a road hater. You people realize this don't you?

>>40933163

>life choices

See, the difference between libtards and this is that libtards want to use taxes to support poor life choices, like fat acceptance (free healthcare for fatties) or reckless promiscuity (free birth control and abortions). These are unquestionably a detriment to society.

This proposal, however, would be beneficial to society, because it would do the opposite, it would punish people for poor life choices and force them to fix themselves if they wish to stop being punished.

This is very much like raising a child. If you spoil a child and let him do whatever he wants, he grows up to be a criminal. Society doesn't need people who refuse to better themselves for their personal and the collective good.

>>40928138
>carb heavy

Every lanky vegan you've ever seen is on most likely 60 carb / 25 protein / 15 fat diet. The conventional wisdom is completely wrong about this one. Dates that are packed with sugar natural sugars have no direct effect on weight gain or blood sugar levels. This is because whole foods are nutrient dense and generally have a lot of fiber and so the body processes it in a way that is not like table sugar, soda pop, processed shit. Carbs are NOT the problem concerning weight. Eating a diet saturated in processed food and lack of exercise is.

>>40933216
>Taxes fat people
>Most fat people are poor
>This is why their diets suck
>Now have less money
>Now have worse diet
>Dollar cheeseburgers for dinner again!?
You can't tax people into good behavior. Period. End of discussion.

>>40923109
Make lettuce that produces nicotine. Make smoking lettuce illegal and punishable by death.
Make lettuce a part of school lunches so kids get introduced to it no matter what.

Bam obesity is solved in just one generation

Done.

>>40933240
>Most fat people are poor
>This is why their diets suck

Bull fucking shit. Tap water is pretty fucking cheap yet all I ever see poor people drink is soda and beer.

Does anyone remember personal responsibility? Anyone in this country? When you used to have to own your mistakes and everything you did wrong wasn't excused because life isn't easy enough?

I would love to keep ranting but I have to go to work.

>>40933240

>Most fat people are poor
>This is why their diets suck

I'm a poor fuck that lives in a shithole country and I've lost 90 lbs in the last year. And yes, we still have shitty junk food, fast food and sugary drinks that are fairly cheap. It doesn't take much to lose weight. Daily exercise, eating less and cut out the sugary/transfat shit. Potatoes and chicken are not more expensive than a burger and fries. Even poor people can do it, if they want to badly enough, especially if you live in the US.

The reason they don't is because they are weak willed and because society doesn't punish them, or as in the case of the Western world, even pats them on the back for being a lardass.

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I will never get the I'm poor so I'm fat bullshit.

Its when I get money that I bloat up like a blimp because then I can actually afford all this garbage horseshit.

A can of beans and some eggs get you through a day and that barely adds up to 1€.

>>40923209
Fat people are stupid, they don't understand the value of the euro.

>>40933293
>What are food desserts
>What is not having the same food subsidy program as Europe
Why do you want to tell me things about the place I live like I don't fucking live there? Here there are whole neighborhoods without decent grocery stores and the our food stamp program allows people to spend their government bucks on junk food, which is the only thing you can buy in convenient stores and bodega/liquor stores.

>>40933313
>>40933323
The eu subsidizes healthy food. America subsidized corn and sugar. It makes a big impact on what's affordable and what isn't here.

>>40933313
the real questions here is how to into Bolo Yeung mode?

>>40923109
dump dnp into the water supply

>>40933334
>food stamp program

Then don't use food stamps, you entitled little bitch? Some of us don't fucking have access to government funded food and we can still do it and you are sitting their on your fat fucking ass crying that you have to put in a little bit of effort to acquire healthier food by walking to a proper grocery store. Go die of a heart attack, you disgusting piece of shit.

>>40933240
You think poor people can't lose weight by simply eating less?

>>40933349
Are you stupid? People don't get fat because they eat unhealthy food. They get fat because they eat too much. It's not rocket surgery.

>>40933413
because the unhealthy food isn't filling

because it's full of sugar and corn syrup that ups calories while not making it any more satiating

So they eat more

>>40933434
lol

Healthy food is not filling either. So what? Just eat less. Drink some water if your tummy is still empty you fat tuck.

Just abolish the welfare state and the fatties will die or get thin.
Survival of the fittest, as nature intended.

>>40923109
Free liposuction for all fat people

But; if you're fat all you're allowed to eat is the fat from liposuction

>>40933443
healthy food isn't filling

so you eat more of it

Then you are full and have consumed 1/4 the calories you would have by getting full via junk food

You don't get obese

>>40924645
>Poor people megadosing on sodium from canned salt cubes.

>>40933480
>healthy food isn't filling
What the fuck are you smoking. Seriously.

Go eat some rice.

>>40933496
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jesus man it takes 2 seconds

>>40933482
I keep a few cans of stuff in the cabinet for those really lazy days. Otherwise I just soak and cook dry beans. Tastes better, healthier and no BPA.

>>40933480

> so you eat more of it

Nobody is forcing you to eat more of anything. It you want to lose weight literally all you need to do is eat less.

>>40923109
Someone needs to invent something that tastes exactly like sugar, but has no or little calories and wont make your dick shrink or brain explode

>>40923109
>>40923209
Actually not too bad ideas. Either tackle the problem at the source and actually shit on the industry for once (as if that will ever happen) or give fatties some huge general disadvantage, besides already being unhealthy as fuck of course.

>>40933535
>Poor
>Poor education
>Shitty parents
>You're malnourished, because the crap you eat is just sugar and fat with a pittance of nutrients scattered through it
>Your body is screaming at you for more food so it can get the nutrients it needs
>Choice between eating less and dying or eating more and dying later
Its easy to say 'eat less' when you consider yourself as being the fat person, instead of someone who doesnt have a choice like a moron or a child.

>>40933558
So many excuses, so little self control

>>40929019
Yeah, it's part of the downside to public education. Teachers get paid jack shit, but parents blame them for literally everything + they can't use corporal punishment. But when people complain teachers should essentially replace parents, teachers ask for more money, but that means more taxes and nobody wants that.

>>40933349
You cant tell me that the American government isnt pushing money into meat, and its absolutely impossible to overeat on something as bland as chicken breast.

I also dont believe that rice is expensive anywhere in the world.

>>40933578
You will never be a use to solving any issue if you cant empathize with the other side to find a solution that will work. To every issue there is a solution that is simple and wrong and you're providing it.

>>40923109
Yeah education would be by far the best way. And it's not even unrealistic, all it would take would be the government to put a little recourses into it and some time. Though that's not what matters, as if they give a fuck about health standards when there are billions to make.

>>40923209
>I propose we tax obesity directly
My friend jokingly pitched this idea to me once but I really fucking want this to happen. Tax them more on planes, tax them more to eat fast food. If I'm paying tax for their fat asses to be hospitalised and cared for they best reimburse me somehow.

>>40933634
>Yeah education would be by far the best way
Do you really think this will have an impact though? I don't mean this in a condescending way but I'm not sure many people will listen in education. Scare the shit out of the kids, sure, but the parents are still gonna feed them nothing but shit food.

>>40928011
Look up BMR. As you lose weight your BMR naturally lowers to that of a NORMAL person's.

Cut more calories it's that simple, you bitter fatty.

>>40928277
That's literally an intermittent fast using the same macros that Dr. Fung suggests. Side from the cheerios and icecream, but the rest is great. Exactly what I expected.

>>40923209
I know this post is for le keks but this would seriously impact a huge chunk of the republican base way more than the liberal base.

>>40933653
Yeah it won't work short term but I am convinced after let's say 20 years there would be a huge drop in diabetes, heart disease and obesity rates. Just a few laws concerning food regulation could make a big difference. A shame that will not happen. Maybe in a small European country but not America.

>>40924645
When you realize that juice is soda...

>>40933535
my argument was made from the perspective of a fat person who doesn't care about nutrition or their weight.

They eat until they are full. Unless you actively seek out healthy food they will end up eating shitty food that is advertised on tv daily, often times directly marketed towards them and/or their children.

Should they care more about what they eat and themselves? Absolutely. But the fact of the matter is the average person doesn't do either of those things.

If the food sold wasn't packed unnecessarily full of sugar, corn syrup, salt, and fat the obesity problem wouldn't be as bad as it currently is

>>40933685
conservatives on this site generally believe the only obese people in the country are HAES spewing sjws.

>>40933685
>>40933735
This entire LIBERAL KEK SJWS and RETARDED CONSERVATIVES spewing is utterly stupid anyway. I wish /pol/ stayed small and irrelevant to other boards.

>>40924133
There is literally nothing wrong with whole grain wheat.

>>40933812
True but when processed they often remove the actual healthy parts of the grain and I'd say at least 90% have no idea about the difference.

literally, the only correct answer is educating parents on proper nutrition & policing it during developmental checkups.

people are legit obese were that way from before they were even teenagers.

you can't even hate these people for being fat, they never had a fuckin choice.

a person doesn't even gain full autonomy or the wherewithal to utilise said autonomy until they're 18-20.

interrupt the cycle or the obesity epidemic will only grow.

>>40933899
this, not sure you could get by with policing it though.

It's a goddamn travesty that companies were able to convince the entire nation that sugary cereal, covered in whole milk, with a side of juice is considered a healthy breakfast for people of any age

>>40923109
Obesity rates skyrocketed when the USDA came up with the terrible food pyramid and demonized fat.

Carbs ans sugar are making America fat more than anything else. So the key to dealing with the obesity epidemic would be to educate people better on nutrition at an early age or find someway to spread that knowledge in an easy to digest way.

>>40923209
>your ideas are fucking liberal
>proposes income redistribution

u wot

>>40923109
i think making health education in high school actually have relevant information (not 1950s health pyramid, but actual info on calories, calculating TDEE, etc) would be useful

but ultimately you cannot make people choose the right thing

>>40929085
Simply because it's not viewed as an addiction by a majority of people.

>look at her, she's curvy
While she in this case is clearly overweight or obese

>aww he looks like a teddy bear
to a hairy fat sloth that stuffs his face 24/7

When you have people that like to eat and people that enable them you get an obesity epidemic. But I just lay back and laugh at them. I really don't want anything to change. If someone is too stupid to realize he's digging an early grave he doesn't deserve saving.

>>40933961

you can't force people to choose the right thing, but you can intercede before they're 40-50lbs overweight at age 14.

at that stage its too late and obesity has got another.

likelihood of them losing that much weight is nearing 0%.

>>40933899
Why does it have to be like this anyway? Were there any proper nutrition guides 5000 years ago? Social media campaigns? It was just common sense to remain a functional member of society, otherwise you would end up dead.
Now, the state offers you a very comfy pillow and you can get money for free. For being too fat to be useful.

>>40929085
Well, yeah. That's why he didn't say "most" in that line like he did in all the previous examples.

>>40934037
>society
>5000 years ago
Just 50 years ago they advertised smoking as non-harmful or even healthy.

>>40933899
Ding ding ding.

Education is the only choice!!

The people feeding children have been fooled by major companies that sugary breakfast cereal and juice is healthy.

>>40934037

right, during our nomad and tribal days we ate maybe 1 meal a day or not at all.

we also had to hunt or gather our food.

as soon as we mastered agriculture we started becoming fatter.

food was more plentiful & readily available.

essentially, we became too efficient and now food is too plentiful + we're a victim of our programming to gorge and store.

>>40933578
Self control is taught like anything else though anon, if you want fat poor people to have the self control to make good decisions they need to both know what a good decision is, and also have been taught that it's important to make that decision.

I get that you're frustrated at fat people but the issue really is more nuanced than you seem willing to admit.

Also it's naive to argue that a society systemically ruining the majority of available food for poor people and then being surprised at an obesity problem is the fault of poor people.

Hell, I'm not even poor and I have to buy frozen chicken that's 15% salt, "broth" and god knows what because that's all that's at the grocer that isn't triple uncharged organic shit. I never asked for my frozen chicken breast to be fucked with, but regular ass chicken just isn't realistically available. That's how it is with most foods for most people anymore in America.

>>40928235


Humble bragging faggot who brags about things that aren't even impressive in the slightest.

LMAO brainlet

>>40933375
I'm not fat ans don't use them just pointing out that on a macro level there's reasons for why shit is the way that it is
>>40933399
Sure. Do I think it's possible, yes. But my point is that we have perversely incentivized the opposite behavior by giving out free food money with only junk food available.
>>40933413
U r stoopid
>>40933434
This guy gets it.
>>40933580
They do not subsidize chicken, just the corn and soybeans chickens eat and the lower feed prices does help keep the price of chicken relatively low. However, I'd remind you than man cannot live on chicken alone so your point isn't going to help on macro level.