Steroids or nah?

possible natty, but very unlikely that he's not on something

natty, look how short he is

what is he actually taking tho

>>40830197

that vascularity doesn't seem natty

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>tren face
>people think he's Natty
Lel

probably no

a lot of that is makeup

>>40830185
Nah, he's just a very lean, tanned manlet who takes diuretics, gets a pump and then gets photos taken of him at very flattering angles, just like Kinobody and all those other "fitness gurus" on youtube and instagram

>>40830213
What the fuck is tren face? M8 I've been on 50mg of tren every day for months and my face looks exactly the same as when I was natty(other than slightly oilier skin)

>>40830185
I don't think he's on roids, because otherwise his shoulders and traps would be bigger than they are (though they're still a suspicious volume IMO), but those veins mean he's definitely on SOMETHING.

Roids

>>40830185
A physique like that natty would take 5-10years + great lighting, pump, etc.. Compared to a simple cycle he could get prescribed by rich Hollywood doctors. What's more likely?

>2017
>still believing that hollywood actors are natty

>>40830196

>possible natty

come back after 10 years of natty training and tell me what you look like

protip: not like him

Obviously roids, b real.

>>40830630
There's a photo record of him he was about otter mode in 2014 and is on juice and looks about the same as he is now by Dirty Grandpa. So he put on 9 years of natty gains in a year. Most telling thing is how his face goes from looking 18 to 40yr old as well.

>>40830641
>everyone is the same

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>this is 2 years of natty gains
looks like 20 lbs of lean mass to me.

var at the very least

>>40830185

lmao isnt he like 10% bf 135lbs?

easily possibly natty, hes tiny when hes standing with someone

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>>40830185
>Traps that small, doesn't have 3d delts, and people think he roids
Then again Hollywood, so who knows.

>>40831554
He looks horrible from that angle, wtf.

>>40830185
Mass looks natty but bf% probably not

>>40831571
>135lbs
Maybe if he was 5'1

>>40830185
Man I don't usually even get into this but his hands are so fucking tiny.

>>40830253
Bunk tren?

>>40830640
This
>>40830436
You literally said nothing

>>40831873
hes younger there, that's him in 2014.

>>40830185
His body is so fucking ugly. I don't know why, but even if he's muscular, I think he's disgusting

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>>40830185
100% not natty.

>>40830185
that bf level is pretty much overkill
while maintaining that hair line...
it is pretty much science fiction

no, manlets just pack muscle easier

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>>40832341
What does bf% have to do with hairline?

>>40831554
hes jewish so he has shit genetics

>>40832590
cortisol levels, mostly
it is just a matter of stress

your pic related hairline is pretty much garbage, hence the longer hair style

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>>40832609
Well he´s 47 and pretty much 5% all year round. But have another guy then.

>>40830185
Definitely not natty.

He's an actor, they have no reason not to take the shortcut.

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>>40832590

>>40832609
Balding is purely genetic. I'm on my 4th cycle right now and I haven't lost a single hair whether I'm bulking or cutting.

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>>40832609
Which broscience university did you graduate from?

>>40832669
I always admire how well that mask was done. Pic related is the guy who is under it.

>>40832644
>those nipple insertions

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>>40832698
Damn. Good thing they didn't give him this guy's hairline. Life was hard enough on the Nameless One as it was.

Also, what kind of routine do you guys think TNO does?

>>40830185
acording to hollywood blind items he is using a shit load of HGH
that's why his face is lean as fuck.
I have seen the film already and his face is lean like he is an 80 y'o

>>40832730
A lot of rich people use HGH. It slows down aging and aids in healing from injuries.

And very confused about steroids. The advice always seems to come down to 'read more on them', but the information and advice available on them seems to be very variable, if not contradictory.

One doubt I have in particular is: do they have permanent side effects? I'm not talking about bodybuilder grade toiding, just simple test. propionate/enanthate/cypionate cycles with the appropriate PCT, or low dosage HRT.

Even on such a basic thing, information seems to be so contradictory. Some people say as long as you are under constant medical scrutiny you are fine, other say long use of roids (several cycles, HRT) will fuck your HPA axis no matter what.

Do actors and athletes have permanent side effects because of their roid use? Do they have access to better stuff than test? Do they just not give a fuck because of the benefits compensate the bad stuff?

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>>40832644
>that photoshop on his left back muscle

>>40832777
>do they have permanent side effects?

No, unless you're taking bber-level doses.

>>40832801
I there any way I can be sure of this, other than trusting one side of the argument?

>>40832851
No, not until you try it yourself. Your body's reaction to gear largely depends on your genetics. I don't break out and my balls barely shrink on cycle, for example. I know other guys who get bad cases of acne and bodyhair. It's on an individual basis.

>>40832777

250mg test-e has virtually no downsides. but remember you wont look like ronnie coleman either.

you wont even look like fake natty youtubers but it definitely gives you an edge over natty lifters and increased test levels feel great.

honestly just feeling like a god while taking test is already good enough reason for me to start roiding but im still waiting 'til im 25yo (for now) and see how i feel in 2 years.

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>>40832789
>left back muscle

>>40832644
what the fuck is going on with those nipples

>>40832673
i was writing about low bf levels, fat burners...
your experience shows your diet is pretty good, and that your cortisol is on point

>>40832698
>Which broscience university did you graduate from?
the RUGBS (Royal University of Gains and BroScience)

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>>40832644
is that guy even real?

>>40832882
>had never used steroids
>provides information about steroids based on anecdotal evidencev he read on a Japanese pony porn forum.

>>40830185
Nah. That dude has been in great shape for years and years. Just good work and consistency.

>>40833201
He is,
in our hearts.

>>40833666

Nice try, Satan. You ain't fooling no one.

>>40832777
it depends on your junetics. people that come off without problems aren't posting to say they're fine.

the ones that don't take a preventative ai dose, eat/train shite and poorly pct swarm the boards.

simply follow the plebbit basic cycle guide and do not deviate until you are more experienced

>>40830205
Vasculatur has nothing to do with natty or not dimwit it's just body fat.

>>40830185
Steroids or not, still years of training involved.

>>40830185
I would say natty, he was always pretty fit and had really low bodyfat. If you're job is literally to look good you can afford a trainer and dietitian to easily gain 2lbs/mo.

Is it possible that he achieved that physique naturally? Yes.
More than likely, however, he used gear to reach that level.

>>40832882
250mg will put you at the high end of "natty"

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>>40833809
>drugs that help with cutting fat while maintaining muscle mass don't exist

>>40830185
I met this guy a couple years ago, the body is achievable natty, but he def taking something

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It's all spray painting and lighting desu

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>>40830185
Is that a serious question

>>40834585
Yes you can thank all the youtubers and their fake natty meme for this discussion

>>40830185
I doubt it, hollywood chads can afford the best doctors, roids and roid trainers on this planet. They also depend on their bodies to make tons of money acting in shitty blockbusters. They gain and lose muscle and fat so fast that it kind of wouldn't make sense without roids.

On the other hand, I'm a neet living on their parents house with little contact with the outside world, so what do I know tbqh

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>>40834183
He looks small as shit in that photo. Like Harrison ford in blade runner.

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>tfw broken penis

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>tfw broken penis.

>>40832603
t. weak chin no jawed beta bitch

>>40834819
> dleete this

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>>40830185
Of course he's on roids