How long to ottermode from here? How?

>>40607758
pull ups and pushups every day for a month while eating around maintenance

>>40607786
this

maybe 3 weeks if you train hard enough every day

>>40607786
>maintenance
Is this true??

How will this let me build muscle?
I'm super skinny-fat atm.

>>40607758
you should cut and lean bulk bro, you have way to high body fat, what the fuck are you even doing?

>>40607817
>way high bf
>literally spooky skelly
this fucking board

>>40607815
otterfags are small and lean

>>40607817
Bait? Sorry, if it's serious, I really can't tell.

>>40607817
what
>>40607815
you don't have to be on a surplus to build muscle

>>40607846
>you don't have to be on a surplus to build muscle
no just not a big one
10% is fine

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>>40607835
>>40607842

kids these days can't even appreciate a good b8, how dense r u???

>>40607874
I have an eating disorder and pretty big body dismorphia.

I really don't know my body.

>>40607874
>guy asks if this is bait
>HURR DURR CANT YOU TELL ITS BAIT?!
wew

and i agree with him, this board has serious body dysmorphia when it comes to acceptable fat levels.

>>40607758
You look great

>>40607835
look at his fucking stomach, at the weight he's at he should definitely have a six pack. When i was 185 cm at 63 kg (i guess OP is a little bit over 63) i had abbs, and i kept them while lean bulking.

If your going for abbs grab em' right at the start OP

>>40607874
fucking dumb american i wasn't baiting, kyzz u noob, LEAN BULK WHILE 6 PACKS OP THESE GUYS ARE IDIOT

YOU ARE AT A LOW WEIGHT; GO FOR THE 6-PACKS AT THE BEGINING; YOU WILL THANK ME

>>40607897
I'm 61 kg at 180. How much should I cut?

>>40607889

sry m8, serious answer, took me a year to get from somewhat around your appearance (for me 155lbs @ 6'3") to 190lbs which I would probably consider "ottermode". I'd just read the sticky and start with weight training, maybe 5x5 GOMAD like I did

>>40607897
>at the weight he's at he should definitely have a six pack.
Wrong. He obviously has no muscle. You can't have a 6 pack without muscle. It just doesn't exist by default.

>i guess OP is a little bit over 63
OP is like 58kg. Dude is extremely skelly.

OP, it's gonna take you a while seriously.

You're a good candidate for GOMAD but if you don't want to be so extreme about it, just concentrate on a few things

1. Take 4 scoops a day and eat relatively healthy
2. Be consistent in your diet and eat even when you aren't hungry. Don't bullshit around
3. Do SS or any other linear, full body routine 3x a week and never miss a day. Ever.

That's it. You don't need to overcomplicate things by worrying about macros or specific routines or white potatoes vs sweet potatoes.

Fucking eat and fucking lift and take your scoops and don't quit. Worry about details once you have enough meat on your body to work with.

>>40607846
This doesn't work on low bf people, eating maintenance now will just burn his protein into energy instead of repairing muscle, body knows its better to be fat than dead and muscular. Only juiced guys can eat at maintenance and go to 5%, even then it is hard

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>>40607916
cut till you are 30, thats the perfect chad body

>>40607786
fpbp

>>40607916
Don't cut. He is an idiot that think everyone should walk around with 8% BF. It doesn't look good and it isn't healthy for you either.

Just start working out, you can't build muscle at nothing and being 5'10 135 is almost underweight even by BMI standards.

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>tfw still too fat to have a 6 pack

>>40607995
processed food fucks your bodyfat up. eat a certain amount of processed food and you will never have abbs, this was the case with OP.

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>>40607758
Either ask an old trip fag who looks like he knows what he's talking about or get a trainer that looks like he lifts. Most anonymous on here don't even know how to lift or they usually do crossfit with the shittiest form

>>40607758
you could get to otter mode in a year if you have good genetics

>>40608029
I have a friend who only eats nutella on toast and cup noodles. Sure he eats low calorie, but almost exclusively processed foods.

This guy has a six pack.

Anecdotal but gtfo with your """"never""""" shit.

>>40608029
Do you have any science to back that up memelord? Lots of chads eat processed food and have visible abs. You think your body makes a special type of fat when food is processed?

>>40607937
Like this guy said, when you're underweight your body will cannibalize your muscles and leave your fat alone. It's healthier to be 15% bf with no muscle than 5% bf with muscles. Your body knows this.

OP will never put on muscle being that skinny because his body will convert burn protein instead of fat first. Your body HATES to burn fat at low weight levels. It's evolution. You need that for energy.

>>40608066
Your friend is with 99% probability between 15-30 years old, wait until he is 35, then all these processed cells will hit like a truck. Stay dumb

>>40608106
I'm between 15-30 years old as well (Op here), but apparantly I can't handle 'processed food'?

>>40608106
>stay dumb
>how dare you not believe my made-up claim!

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>>40607937
>will just burn his protein into energy instead
Not trying to get to otter mode like OP, but I have the problem also of holding on to the fat I have if I don't eat enough, but I also want to lose the fat I have and build muscle.

Pic related
>5'10
>155 lbs
>31 waist
>38 chest

Should I just follow the fucking sticky or do something better suited to what I'm working with?

>>40608187
Getting muscle while cutting is genetic lottery. It doesn't happen. You have to put on fat to get more muscle. That's the dirty truth. Just don't dirty bulk, lean bulk so you're only putting 1-2lbs of fat a week.

>>40608126
>>40608136
I bet u dumb amerilards drink "zero calories" sodas,energy drinks and eat cheeseburgers at mcddonald's as well.
>HURR DURR CALORIES IN CALORIES OUT AND THAT'S THAT, NO BIOLOGICAL SUBSTANCE CAN POSSIBLY BREAK THIS INGENIOUS EQUATION

i sometimes forget how bad the education is over there, feel kinda sad for you guys

>>40607786
bullshit

Doesn't ottermode mean having defined abs ?

>>40608218
not an argument

>>40608209
Is it just all in my head that I feel stronger and bigger muscle wise while my gut may have shrunk a bit? I don't know if it's just the mental boost from lifting the last few weeks or genes; my dad was really good at throwing on muscle without having to try that hard.

Either way I'm gonna keep eating a lot of eggs and PB and lifting.

>>40608218
I'm not American. Also: If you want to look smart, at least use a dictionary.

M A R F A N S Y N D R O M

>>40608256
Well strength =! size. Look at Bruce Lee for a cliche example. Neurological gains are real and muscle is so dense you could get decent gains from just 2lbs of muscle.

>>40608289
I do feel a lot better, but only on the days I lift. When I don't lift, I feel like all my systems slow way the fuck down. Even when I run I don't feel half as good as a day I lifted.

>>40607934
>The only good post in the entire thread
>No replies

SMDHTBQHFAMILY

>>40608312
Yeah your body is recovering. I feel fucking tired all the time too from strength programs. They take a lot out of your. I'm on a week off just so I can recover fully been stalling left and right.

>>40607934
>>40608313
Is there any way to do this with body weight excersise alone?

I live in the middle of nowhere, Denmark, and I can't drive.

>>40608337
Push ups, dips, pull ups, squats. Get a back pack and put misc. weight in it. You won't look huge, but you could get a decent body after a year.

>inb4 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, 10km run every day

>>40607786
I don't think that's enough desu. I've been doing that for a while (12000+ pushups, 3000+ pullups) and my body is still shit. Admittedly, i didn't eat well and have quite high bf, but if I cut I'll look shittier.

>>40608337
Look into calithenics. just type "planche progression", "front lever progression", "handstand progression", "pistol squat progression" into YouTube and click your way from there. don't forget to eat.

>>40608332
Like, even my digestion feels like it stops where I won't feel any hunger all fucking day somehow. And yet I'll be mega bloated, that's what most of my gut is is bloat. I don't get it.

>>40607758
6 months weight training with compound movements depending on genetics.

>>40608635
Body is weird. I'd say sleep more, drink more water and eat better. I feel like shit whenever I eat junk food.

>>40607758
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>>40608684
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>>40607939
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>>40607758
let me give you solid advice OP. As a former skelly who achieved ottermode i can say tto you that it will take you two years of lifting and eating above your TDEE. This is what will happen to you if you keep lifting consistently

>>40607939
>mfw people on /fit/ unironically think pic on the right is "ottermode" and it's achievable natty after 2 years

>>40607995
>>40608029
>broscience
Starvation consumes muscles faster than it consumes fat. That's the explanation for this pic.

You can get a pseudo-6 pack by maintaining muscle mass (by lifting) and losing fat so that they're visible

>>40607939
I miss tiny fuckin' with fatties on tinder desu
him and adie.

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>>40608106
>processed cells

>>40608939
Yeah, I was being ironic with my Auschwitz example. Not serious.

>>40608794
2 years