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>>40568675
>tfw you don't have the looks of a chad

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>>40568349
>>40568397
>>40568475
Because I look really good 70 lbs lighter but I fell for Le SS + GOMAD and it worked but now I gotta cut.

>>40568675
Can i take steroids anally?

>>40568705
It might be possible, but they'd just fall out of your ass

>>40568702
>i look really good thats why i decided to gain 70lbs of fat out of desperation
>because my obviously 90th percentile intellect thought it was a good idea

>>40568734
The first 20 and the last 20 lbs were mistakes, I'll admit. Drugs can fuck with you.

>>40568728
I think I can't clench brah

>>40568750
>i have good genetics thats why i am a fucking junkie

>>40568728
>>40568757
You think I can't clench brah*

Can I just stop pinning for a few weeks to go get trt then stock up on it while resuming ugl pinning

It's covered by public health insurance too

>>40568702
cut then bro.

>>40568774
>then stock up on it
dont think they'll let you buy in bulk lol, you'll get a prescription prolly.

>>40568774

Good plan. Your test levels will be uber low and you can get on that there TRT and cruise 4 lyfe.

Who wants to talk cars, given the Mustang in OP's pic?

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>>40568792
>Who wants to talk cars

idk cars, but give me adv on making a stock vw citi golf less shit lol.

>>40568812
I think you're just fucked.

>>40568841
lol, allright

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>>40568812
have jerrys wife paint it up

Drew out my first ever pin tonight and then chickened out. Waited an hour, then said fuck it I can do this, redrew, and without thinking just imed it in my quad. Shit was so cash. Just wanted to share it with someone.

Obviously I need test if I was that afraid of literally nothing.

>>40569022
welcome to the club.

>>40568974
good idea friendo

Does mk677 mess with any hormone levels other than growth?

>>40569148
fuck off you will always be 5'4

>>40569153
I can taste the salt from here bruv

>>40569188
yes i am salty at some natty 18 year old retard manlet

or is this cap about to post his email

>>40569148
yeah. took me 5 minutes to find the noticeable hormone changes with google. I'll give you some hints. igf-1, igfbp-3, GnRH, among others.

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>>40569196
advancedbodyscience2000 at gee male

Is it worth giving up gear for a girl?

my free test went from 199 pmol/L to 626 pmol/L on 500mg test E.

this seems low to me. did i buy bunk test?

>>40569491
no since she is gonna leave you eventually anyway you fucking beta cuckold

>>40569491
>Is it worth giving up gear for a girl?
No.

>Is it worth lying to a girl and telling her you gave it up, but still pinning in secret so you have the best of both worlds?
kinda yea.

>>40569491
no just get a new one yours is defective

>>40569549
turn it off and on again

what are you bromos doing this weekend?

>>40568812
Massive bodykit and lowering. Rice that nigga until you can barely drive over a cig without ruining your suspension.


>>40566621
I maybe will. Just texted me asking if I could help her move something into her new apartment when we BOTH know I kinda suck in RL lifting situations where no sleeves or safeties are concerned since my last surgery.

I will 100% regret this, but ayyyy lemme see that ass crack a coconut without even flexing (while also conveniently copping orals like a kid getting candy from his granny). May occasionally blogpost if I survive. Wish me luck.

>>40569703
>Massive bodykit
elaborate pls

>>40569714
He wants your car to go on a bulk.

>>40569741
ah I see.
dbola in petrol tank then.

>>40569714
Literally google golf tuning/ricing + your country, it truly is an art form and parts are a dime a dozen.

>>40569746
Yes. Also cheq in motor oil makes lame car go vroom vroom

I am getting some oral raws and was just planning on dissolving them in some vodka or whiskey since they're ethanol soluble. I'm guessing the shelf life might be reduced since vodka and whiskey contain water which contains oxygen and can potentially slowly oxidise the compounds over time, but if it's personal use mixing it up a few weeks worth at a time should be fine right?

>>40569762
thanks

>>40569774
Post pics when done pls. Shame you are African, could get you some nasty aftermarket shit in Yurop haha

>>40569826
>Post pics when done pls.
it's gona be a long time friendo

>>40569846
My point still stands. If anything else goes to shit I shall still lurk /fraud/ for your ride alone kek

>>40569878
lolz, allright bro.

>>40569878
get a job

ok time for my trensformation

been hitting the mt2 about a week now I think, maybe a bit more at 1mg a day but skipped a few days due to the nausea. thankfully i am used to it now and it doesn't happen.

gonna hit the tanning bed either tomorrow or the day after, I think my class lasts too late into the day for me to go tomorrow.

can't wait to be tan as fuck instead of a fucking ghosty jewkid

>>40570088
actually do i even need to go to a stupid ass bed or can i just do it in my backyard?

>>40570088
>Not being pale and ripped af
Ree desu

what is a good dose of arimidex for a cycle with 700mg test ew and dbol 40mg for 5 wks?
or is aromasin prefered?

>>40570254
being pale makes you have way less definition than you would if you were tanned, plus pale is disgusting

>>40570292
>700mg test ew and dbol 40mg


inb4 tits

>>40570343
that why im going to use an ai you idiot

What the fuck can I do about this hgh bloat, I literally have lines on my body from it

top of pants, line all around waist. socks, line around ankles.

and this is with fucking tren

is dandelion root enough or is it just a meme?

>>40570357
its ur diet bro

>>40568675
PUT
THE
FUCKING
WIKI
IN
THE
OP

how hard is it to copy/paste a decent op jesus christ

>>40570068
>implying I am not lurking while getting paid for it this very moment
Multitasking, nigga.

>>40568675
i want to have sex with both of them at the same time

Low fat potato chips with 13g of protein per 100g

Yes, No, maybe so?

>>40570804
>implying I am not lurking while getting paid for it this very moment
s a m e

>>40570810
slut

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>>40568785
Dammit yolo! Post jb pls!

>>40570875
soon friend, soon

wud this weekend?.

>>40570843
you wouldn't?

>>40570890
one screen is intelliJ with code, other is /fraud/

>>40570895
thanks anon

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>>40570895

nasty. nothing but bones and fat.

>barf.

>>40570357
Those are stretchmarks. Quit overindulging, you fat fuck.

>>40570357
Kys retard

>>40570810
N-no homo.

>>40570875
I love how this post is becoming a regular thing (again, technically).

>>40570357
no meme at all but you will need to use insane amounts to make a difference, if ever, with that hgh megadose you run

Just ran a 12 week cycle of 500mg test en/2mg anastrozole with pct

Looking for advice on second cycle, would prefer to stick with test en as I still have 4 bottles left over. Heard either tren or orals, leaning more towards orals..

Also would appreciate advice on using HCG/PCT as the guy that was giving me advice before disappeared, thanks!

(25yo, 200lbs, 14% bf)

>>40570913
You faggot

>>40568675
I came to /fit to find something interesting about sports, now thanks to OP I have to masturbate

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>reading about people deadening their nerves and cooking themselves alive on dnp and clen causing heart tissue necrosis

What are the least spooky fraud tricks for cutting?

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>>40569205
the one on the left looks like a younger version of that one female character from the office who didn't really have any character role whatsoever and was just there as space filler

>>40571148
Really depends on your goals

orals are a nice boost but I can't recommend them, personally. Especially for a second cycle. Too much for a lot of people to factor in, can really throw things out of whack. I prefer to end cycles with 4-6 weeks of orals, so if you're going that route, I'd recommend that.

If you just want to grow grow grow, try nandrolone. NPP if you're truly cycling.

>>40571269
DNP is really not that bad, if you aren't a total retard

if you fuck yourself up on DNP it's your own fault and you deserve to be roasted to the core anyway

alternatively ECA is probably the most effective. T3 exists but is essentially worthless, albuterol I don't know enough about to make a recommendation for or against

>>40571269
>What are the least spooky fraud tricks for cutting?

forkputdowns

>>40571278
>T3 exists but is essentially worthless
worthless? nah famalam

>albuterol
p much a clen with a shorter halflife

>>40571278

For dno As I understand cataracts can be avoided with supplements, but wish I knew more about the neuropathy. Is there a certain dose where it becomes a risk? If it does happen, how long does recovery take and do your nerves completely heal?

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>>40571309
There's other, more effective compounds I suppose would be an alternative way to put it, I think it's just relatively weak compared to everything else

>>40571319
cataracts are mostly a side effect in women iirc, not as prevalent in men, and even then something like <0.3% of people develop them or something absurdly low like that

the peripheral neuropathy can be avoided (permanently) if you feel it coming on. I'm not sure about a correlation between dosage and risk for PN, but length of cycle can affect it. Basically as long as you stick to 3 week cycles, you'll be fine.

If it happens anyway, as SOON as you notice it coming on, hop off. That's all there is too it, recovery can take a couple of weeks to a couple of months depending on how quickly you ceased usage.

>>40571335
> I think it's just relatively weak compared to everything else

it works through a completely different mechanism than most other things.

everything is weak compared to dee and pee tho lol

>>40570357
big lenny detected

Is anyone able to give me a private pharmacy for clomid/nolva, my source isn't coming through and I dont wanna be fucked

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>>40570875

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>>40571932

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>>40571940

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>>40568675
>No source talk.
I don't even know where to start nigga, what am I supposed to do, google "how2buy steroids" ?

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>>40571948

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>>40571955
reddit sst

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Posted the other day about how I hit a nerve during quad injection. The entire quad muscle spasmed pretty violently which hurt a little bit although I was able to finish the injection.

Few days later and I just noticed that its a little bit swollen around the area, I'm assuming during the spasm it tore shit up around the needle.. Doubt it's an infection because there is no redness or any other indicators of infection.

Am I right in thinking that its just due to the muscle getting a little bit beat up from that spasm with the needle in the muscle? or am i gonna die pls reply

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>>40571989
wait a week

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>>40571985
Thank you based anon.
I'll lift even harder in your honor.

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>>40572002
:)

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>>40571940

What's a good steroid for a fuckboy?

Currently I go 3 times a week. I'm not really swole, just defined. Been going for half a year now.

I started as being borderline underweight.

>it's another episode of the Canadian source being retarded

>>40568700
Chad is a toxic gas.
When will Americans learn?

>>40560931
>I would go to the grocery store, load up one of those hand carts with food, and just walk out the door.
>Grocery stores have absolutely zero security. Just go when it's busy.
1. Well, you can... but then they will vote Brexit.
2. Don't try this in Ecuador.

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>>40572241
when did the marathon ever stop?

>>40572087
grown mans semen injected rectally 3x/week

if you have a C U T E boipussi I may even give you some

FOR
R
E
E

How much LBM do people tend to make their first few cycles?

I know everyone is different, but I'm going to be taking 400mg Test-E and 600mg EQ for my first cycle, and was just wondering what kind of LBM gains I can expect, if my diet and training is on point?

Thanks lads

1. Is there really no technique allowing to avoid accidents like >>40571989?
2. Will every user go through this?

>>40572772
average first cycle is most likely 500mg for 12 weeks, I would go with 5lbs of LBM

>>40572772

I took 450mg test P for 12 weeks and superdrol for 4 weeks. In total put on 20lbs, probably 10lbm

>>40572779
yes, don't pin quads. the easiness and ease of access of quads is counterbalanced by the fact that there are nerves everywhere and you will eventually hit one and go though that shit.

>>40572805
Only 5lbs?
Damn that sounds depressing

>>40572851
How were strength gains?

>>40572881
5lbs will make a huge difference in looks, especially if you are lean

As long as you do the outer upper quadrant you will be fine. The only time I have ever knicked a nerve is when I went lower than usual

Glutes can be more problematic imo if you accidentally pin into fat

>>40572877
>don't pin quads
What's the alternative?
Forearm? Biceps? Pecs? Calves?
>inb4 glutes and spine

>>40572908
glutes and ventro glutes

>>40572877
There are nerves everywhere in every muscle, you just have to avoid the major nerve, like in the quad you want to avoid the femoral nerve and youre gucci

>>40572881

Fucking insane

My RDL went from 255 for 8 to 315 for 10 with some to spare

My bench has always been weak, went from 180 for 8 to 225 for 10

Legs were getting too big and I started ripping pants and I didnt try to progress my squat

I think I got 20lbs on my OHP but I lifted shoulders every other week because they got so big it looked ridiculous

>>40572890
>>40572877
1. Can I hire a nurse to teach me doing injections the first time?
2. Could a nurse refuse this job?
3. Can't I lie to her it's a diabetic injection or something?

>>40572930
My ass is fat though.
It's also located behind me.

>>40572945
How do you RDL so much?
My best deadlift is 690 but I can only RDL 315 for 3x

Unless you deadlift more than me

>>40572994
3x8*

My online vendor claims his steroids come with verifiable scratch codes.

Does it make him 100% fraud-proof?

no pastebin? how the fuck do I into this?

>>40573046
reddit steroids

>>40573074
>we reddit now boys
ayyyy

>>40573090
:)

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/269822-diy-gyno-surgery/?page=6

Jesus fucking Christ aaaaaaaaah

>>40572994

I was a gymnast until I hit my growth spurt at 15.

As a result I have an insanely strong posterior chain but with lower back pain.

I could barely deadlift 405 for 2

>>40572988

Injecting yourself is so easy cavemen can (and do!) do it.

I fucked up my first few injections but you'll learn. there are many tutorials on youtube

>>40573224
Damn, thats one disproportionate ratio, I bet you could RDL just as much as you deadlift lol

>>40573258
Good.

I don't understand though why >>40571989 continued with his injection instead of doing another pin. Didn't he inject the oil in the nerve instead of muscle?

>>40573330
no, he nicked a nerve while inserting the needle. if he kept going, he got to the muscle and injected into it

>>40573423
I undertstand now.

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>>40573330
Like >>40573423 said sometime it's not a nerve but just a weird spasm or going though some tough muscle fascia and if you just push it deeper it's fine.

Are vendors who sell steroids with manufacturer verification codes a norm or an exception?

>>40570895 >>40571278 >>40571335
>>40571932 >>40571940 >>40571948
>>40571958 >>40571985 >>40571997
>>40572007 >>40572062 >>40572652
Do you have a fetish for unfit bodies?

>>40568675
Since Estrogen is the source of many of the benefits of Dianabol, would it not be a better idea to use a low dose of a SERM, such as 20mg Raloxifene to prevent Gyno and only use A.I. if the bloating gets intolerable or at the end of a cycle?

Also, how would acne be on a 30mg Dianabol cycle if you're only masking the estrogen with a SERM and sparingly using an A.I.?

>>40573553
e2 through the roof has a lot more side effects than just tits.

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AM I FUCKED? I THINK I FUCKED UP MY FIRST PEPTIDE INJECT.

This was my first time injecting -- 30 min ago -- How long does it take to get fucked and die from injecting air?

-Mod GRF + GHRP2
-I had 7 ticks on a .3 cc insulin syringe (3/10th of a ml) - so 50 MCG of each peptide w/ bac water went into me
-I did not aspirate
-I flicked the syringe so a small air bubble was at the top and stopped injected just before I reached the air bubble... (I think...)
-I injected into my quad
-When I pulled out, a small amount of blood came out and I swabbed it.

I've noticed I'm clearing my throat a bit more... did the peptides get into my lungs + is my body trying to expel them? / did I hit a vessel when I injected? I put the pin all the way in.

My quads have very little fat on them.

-Do air bubbles remain in circulation forever? Please respond boyos.

I hate being Canadian right now
>too worried I'll insult roiders at gym asking for supps they are on
>nothing online

>>40573608
Where in Canada?

>>40573608
there's far from nothing online. you just need to dodge 1-2 labs right now

>>40573592
>attempted to IM with a slin pin
>probably IV'd
>when all that's required for peps (iirc) is subq

ya dun goofed lad

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>>40573208
sweet baby jesus

>>40573654
Okay,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP6Zm9vl3FM

According to that video, it's okay since the quantity is small. I'll stick to sub Q from now on... so, ass / stomach next time? And to make sure there's no air, should I draw extra peptide and flick the air bubble to the top of the syringe then push it out before injecting?

>>40573654
How serious of a goof is it

>>40573680
>>40573705
not a big goof afaik, shouldn't do anything at all other than maybe some minor discomfort like you've been experiencing already

and to make sure there isn't any air, draw up your peps, push the air out until you see a droplet come from the tip of the needle, and flick the droplet away (alternatively let it run down the needle as lubrication, I do this when injecting IM, not needed for subq or even IM for that matter, just helps with comfort)

I know that injections are preferable to pills.

However I hear about scar tissue buildup.

Doesn't make it wiser to use pills for first cycles?

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>>40573208
diy .. surgery ... wat.

Nobody answers my questions about steroids with manufacturer scratch codes.

Is it because no one has heard about such thing?

Or is it because it counts as "source talk" prohibited by OP?

>>40573619

Ontario

>>40573650
Yeah its worrying

>>40573208
>Did it myself in the kitchen with a scaple, medical pliers, rubbing alcohol.

what the actual fucking fuck

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>>40573785
scratch codes are usually used by bulk manufacturers, most of them have decent track records, but you're paying a premium for something that you could have elsewhere for 1/2 or 1/3 the price.

Shit, if you just bought raws like us

>superior intellectuals

you could make a vial of test for like $1.72

>>40573655
>>40573208
>>40573812
>>40573783
his balls are bigger than his tits even pre-surgery because FUCK that is some hardcore shit

>>40573756
Switch ass cheeks/injection sites and you'll be fine. Risk of scar tissue is far less than the risk of permanently fucking up your liver

>>40573832
going through the hassle of actually making the test yourself and not fucking it up is something not everyone wants to do.

also, get chought with raws = say bye to freedom

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How much do you guys spend on roids every month? On average?

>>40573832
>scratch codes come at a premium
I guess it's reasonable to pay extra for safety especially if you are a noob.

One research has demonstrated that products sold online by underground labs are ALWAYS diluted and contaminated, owing to a total lack of oversight. I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to paste the link here because it's on a source's website.

There must be some way to make quality testing possible on the underground market because no one should accept the current situation, there is no need for that risk IMO.

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>>40573911
>the hassle of making the test

duder what, I mean sure but if you can spell "boobies" on a calculator you can fucking brew test

>throw test in oil
>throw BA/BB in oil
>filter into vial

voilà, magic muscle manipulating bathtub chemicals to inject into your ass

>get caught with raws say bye to freedom
dunno about this, expect freedom to disappear if caught with oils too t b h

>>40573925
like $10

probably the same on needles

>>40573962
if you knew of it, there is a location with a form of testing available. It's been brought into question, but as of now is the only form of testing available

anyway

>other labs are ALWAYS diluted and contaminated
>it's posted on a source's website

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>40573986
no

raws = intent to distribute = get cucked for years

some vials = lmao whatever ur a bad boi

>>40573208
fuck my ass and call me samantha this is some next level madman

reading the rest of the thread is fun too, top shelf banter right there

>>40574006
depends on quantity, at least where I am.

if I had 30 separate vials it could be construed as numerous charges for separate substances, but one or two bags of compound would be less harsh. Varies a lot though place to place. Regardless it's all illegal, may as well make it easier on yourself

just my thought process at least

>>40573911
>also, get chought with raws = say bye to freedom
Everywhere? Or in America? In many Euro countries it's legal for personal use. Would raws be interpreted by the law as illegal manufacturing for sale in those countries?

>>40573986
>>40573832
>making the test yourself
Also this: maybe making testosterone is easy but not everyone wants testosterone, some people want non-androgenic steroids or other kinds of peptides and substances. Can you produce everything at home?

>>40574016
L o l

>>40574049
All oils and orals of aas are easier to make than a non clumpy roux.

>>40574049
>can you produce everything at home

yeah, pretty much.

>>40574080
>you can produce everything at home
Even Ostarine? I guess I need to learn this art.

>>40569197
Is that bad, just wondering

>>40574115
I mean "no". You could cap the oral but you'd just get a powder from China. Same with peptides. You're not going to be exchanging electrons in an androgens backbone or anything. You're literally just heating shit up to mix it and sterilizing it.

>>40574115
from the first google result

Steps:


>1.Weigh out 1.5g Ostarine or Andarine (S-4) Powder or 600mg GW501516 Powder
>2.Put the powder into the dropper bottle
>3.Measure 60 ml Alcohol (Everclear or Bacardi 151)
>4.Pour the Alcohol into the dropper bottle.
>5.Cover with your thumb and shake vigorously.

this shit is literally this fucking autistically simple

I will never understand why anybody buys premade sterons for some retarded 1500% markup

also see>>40574136

you aren't producing the compound, just the end product. But the compound itself is dirt fucking cheap.

>>40574136
>a powder from China
Ah, this way. Thanks.

>order my shit from SST source last monday
>received my parcel yesterday

Fuck, this was faster than I expected 2bqh famalams.

China is super scammy though.

I have no experience with chemicals but regarding anything else from China.

The Chinese "eBay" is literally Wild West.

>>40574181
>he doesn't like capitalism
If it's a bad product the consumers will weed it out!

>>40573986
>$10
Shit, thats cheap as fuck.
What do you do, and why?

>>40573539
stop liking what i dont like: the movie, starring (you)

>>40574175
That's literally slower than all 5 of my orders off that sub. Usually it's 2-3 days after payment I have it in the mail

>>40574046
well i live with my mom so this wont work out anyways, i admit tho i would really like to do it

>>40574209
I had bought drugs online before and it had never been this fast, so I was pretty surprised.

Glad to know the delivery times are pretty reliable.

This was an international purchase btw.

>>40573592
good riddance, the upside is you get a free reroll on genetics for your next life, kinda jelly tbH

am about to start my first cycle, 900mg test 600mg deca and 50mg a day dianabol kickstart.

have nolva and arimidex on hand if needed, gonna wait a week or 2 to see if my nips get puffy itchy before i start taking it, should i run hcg 500iu once or twice a week too?

also gonna be blasting this dose for 6 months coz go big or go home amirite, dont give a shit if im on trt for life, already passed my seed on and think im low test anyway.

>>40574197
Somehow these guys have ways of buying fake votes. Therefore can't trust rating. The Chinese exploit every loophole possible to cheat you even if they run a successful business. Maybe they sell quality stuff to those capable of testing and fake stuff to little customers such as you and me?

I don't know what it is like really, I'm only speculating. Like I said, I have no experience with buying chemicals from China. Only other things.

>>40574206
It's okay if you like what I don't like. Just why are you in a /steroid/ general if your fetish is lack of muscles?

>>40574262
I've never had bad product from china.

>It's another episode of that one Canadian source making a fool of himself

Tbqh not enjoying this one bit lads. Not only does he have retardedly inflated prices but everything else is retarded too

>>40574302
That's reassuring. Thanks.

>>40573925
Roughly 450 euromonies a year, 500 if I feel frisky during winter bulk kek

>>40574155
how many grams of raws do you have?
or rather, how many grams of raws do i need for a 2 year supply of test e?

>want to start a cycle
>gonna have to be abroad for a month for work 10 weeks from now
Could I take Nolva with me to some place abroad? I'd 2 have to start PCT 2 weeks into my time abroad.

>>40574079
>All oils and orals of aas are easy to make
Do I need some pill pressing device to make orals from powder?

>>40574016
What a wordsmith you are. I agree though, the most interesting 10 mins I had all week.

Do I get it right? Are there only two possible ways to inject things: intramuscular (for oils) and subcutaneous (for peptides)?

>>40574227
International as in Canad/USA? All mine have been domestic, one week sounds like a dream for international no wonder you're impressed.

>>40574052
havin a giggle at the fuck my ass part huh ;)

>>40574199
test/deca/sprinkle in some orals

200-500mg test, 200mg deca usually, orals are like $5 whenever I want to toss one in, at most.

>>40574218
>>40574328
I have like 40 vials of test at 300mg/ml 10mL so whatever that equates to. Raws are various grams of various compounds.

>2 year of test e

depends on your dosages of course but for 2 years at 500mg/wk 52g or about, lets see, $40 worth of raws, kek

>>40573539
the latter ones that I was posted was not unfit, stop falling for the thicc weightlifting-girl meme

What's with people talking about adrol and sdrol causing gyno

How common is that?

>>40574414
>one week sounds like a dream for international
I have once received herbs from Singapore in less than one week but I paid $40 or so for DHL Express.

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>>40574448
Post more skele fit grills plz.

>>40574286
I want to be jacked and feel masculine and skinny girls are feminine

If I order online shouldnt I protect my privacy somehow?
I feel like just using a normal browser with no protection is suicide.

>>40574408
dont forget right into your fucking heart

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>>40574286
see
>>40574470

https://www.elitefts.com/education/get-big-without-getting-slow-cluster-training/

Interesting article for those who think too much about their training.

>>40574506
Do you have some sort of working dummy address? Otherwise shit is gonna be easily traced to you anyway.

No one goes after personal use though you're fine.

>>40574448
>not unfit
They have negative muscles.

>>40574466
>skele
It doesn't take sex hormones to grow that body.

It's okay if you like what I don't like. Just why are you on /steroid/ general if your fetish is lack of muscles? Are you here for anti-androgens and catabolic hormones?

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>>40574554
Dude he's on a steroids thread because HE as a MAN likes to have muscle. Not because he wants women to have muscle, or everyone to have muscle.

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>>40574554
clearly have glutes

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>>40574470
>>40574516
Ah, I see. So it's sadistic.

>skinny girls are feminine
Is pic related the pinnacle of feminine?

Whats a good beginner cycle? I can't find much info on them for some reason.

>>40574639
>inb4 Jerry beats me to the 'yes'

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>>40574639
is pic related the pinnacle of feminine?

>>40574655
You see, I wouldn't complain if they simply posted little girls.

What I can't stand is adult women who look like little girls.

>>40574665
why is jack black spotting on the right?

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>>40574665
>women in good shape are impossible to exist
>there are only skeletons or whales
Are you from the Soviet Union or something?

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>>40574748
>this is the alternative to qt skele

that's literally a dude with long hair and implants

>>40574748
I just responded to the black and white thinking by posting an extreme

>>40574572
>wanting to be something you couldn't fap to
>fapping to something you'd not want to be
That's either sadistic or masochistic.
Unhealthy whichever way you look at it.

>>40574815
So I should cut off my dick and become a tranny, ok got it

>>40574789
>that's literally a dude with long hair and implants
Male bodybuilders are literally women with short hair and surgically removed gynecomastia.

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>>40574815
Are you trying to deny sexual dimorphism?

I like fit girls, but damn dude you're taking this argument too far.

>>40574789
Nah, small ribcage, good h:w ratio, large head in relation to body

Need I go on? She's definitely feminine

>>40574286
are you high

i roid to be even bigger than the waifish small jailb8s I lust after, that is the point lol

>>40574900
You need gear to be bigger than a teenage girl?

>>40574235
(u)

>>40574910
>even bigger

>>40574830
>Are you trying to deny sexual dimorphism?
Sexual dimorphism is a symptom of stunted physical development, therefore a disorder. It disappears in extreme anabolic states. A fully developed male body and a fully developed female body are the same. Healthy men and healthy women are convergent. We still live in the Middle Ages, 99% of people are malnourished and disabled. Don't use them as a reference.

>>40574938
Ok so you're insane.

Now put on a trip so I can filter you.

>>40574518
this is no news, been doing cluster (HST) for a while now. not meaning to discredit, its the fucking bees knees

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>>40574938

>>40574900
>i roid to be even bigger than the waifish small jailb8s I lust after, that is the point lol
My answer: >>40574815

>>40574828
>So I should cut off my dick and become a tranny, ok got it
No, that's still your logic, not mine. My logic is that you shouldn't fap to the castrated trannies that those women are.

>>40574572
inb4 that certain johnny bravo screencap

>>40574969
Yeah but it's new enough that most people wouldn't know about it (and by most people I mean myself).

Got any other dank lifting secrets to share?

>>40574910
to be moar bigger than them :) >>40574931 even beat me to it ffs

>>40575024
Even biggerer

To exaggerate the size difference to an even greater degree

>>40574969
>>40575005
TLDR for me pls, anything groundbreaking over the usual "train everything 2 times a week and do 1-20 reps at a "reasonable" RPE, volume is the goal"

>>40574960
>I have no arguments.
>I don't want to hear any of this.
I triggered your hysteria.
Objectively speaking, you are the insane one.

>>40575044
For hypertrophy in the short term? No.

Long term? Probably, because you'll eventually do heavier sets and therefore induce more mechanical strain.

For.strength and power development, big yes. But I'm not gonna explain the whole article, read it first and ask a specific question and I can help.

>>40575078
You're trying to say that there's no sex difference. This is false.

Now stop baiting me.

>>40575078
>"The average basal metabolic rate is about 6 percent higher in adolescent males than females and increases to about 10 percent higher after puberty. Females tend to convert more food into fat, while males convert more into muscle and expendable circulating energy reserves. Aggregated data of absolute strength indicates that females have, on average, 40-60% the upper body strength of males, and 70-75% the lower body strength.[78] The difference in strength relative to body mass is less pronounced in trained individuals. In Olympic weightlifting, male records vary from 5.5× body mass in the lowest weight category to 4.2× in the highest weight category, while female records vary from 4.4× to 3.8×, a weight adjusted difference of only 10-20%, and an absolute difference of about 30% (i.e. 472 kg vs 333 kg for unlimited weight classes)(see Olympic weightlifting records). A study, carried about by analyzing annual world rankings from 1980–1996, found that males' running times were, on average, 11% faster than females'.[79]"
>"Females are taller, on average, than males in early adolescence, but males, on average, surpass them in height in later adolescence and adulthood. In the United States, adult males are, on average, 9% taller[80] and 16.5% heavier[81] than adult females."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism#Humans

>>40574979
>telling someone (on 4chan of all places) what to get off to
>wanting to be taken seriously

>>40575043
bigly!

>>40574518
interesting article

there's no way I can rest only a minute though, even on gear I can't

>>40575005
>>40575044
what >>40575079 said, plus: yes, long term hypertrophy is inavoidable. and i, as mentioned, combine it with HST (google that separately) to just go balls to the wall by premise

>>40575092
That's an unfair simplification. I'm saying that sex difference manifests in unhealthy, incompletely developed people that happen to be the majority.

>>40575113
That's a "knowledge" based on irrelevant statistical sample. It's using the sick majority as a reference to define what is healthy.

>>40575202
Not with that attitude. And dose, apparently.

>>40575225
So you are saying that in ideal conditions males and females will be the same height, have same limb length, hip width, fat distribution, same amount of muscle and same estrogen and testosterone levels?

>>40575249
Exactly.

>>40574646
>for some reason
the reason being you are literally too dumb to google for about 5 seconds

500/wk test e btw

>>40575202
>>40574518
I'd be interested in a comparison of cluster training vs. training to concentric failure

I've adopted a VDIP style of training for my accessories lately and I love it. Allows me to feel that I'm progressing linearly still while making great progress overall.

>>40575202
Because you're'cutting the set short' in essence. If you're 1RM is 315 you should be able to do sets of 225x8-10, but here you'd only do sets of 4-6, but more sets with shorter rests. It helps improve bar speeds.

>>40574979
>My answer: >>40574815
>talks about what to fap to when i was talking about actual irl sexual attraction
me confused. b8 too complicated

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Guys!
What about tren on cut? I need to get ripped and am kinda fat .... have everything on hand already, good idea?

>>40575290
VDIP?

>>40575290
Based on what we know, hypertrophy would be improved with training to failure but strength and power development would stagnate or become worse.

Therefore you do 'cluster sets' on your big compounds -- squat, ohp bench dead etc -- and on isolation and assistance work you introduce different rep ranges and go to failure (or close to it)

This is basically what Louie Simmons does. MEor DE (and in practice DE is basically what the cluster set described here is) with lots of assistance to bring up the volume and target lagging muscles.

>>40575345
>Based on what we know, hypertrophy would be improved with training to failure
really? Don't you cut volume short by training to failure? I thought that volume was more important

>>40575290
Did you come up with your Super Secret RPE Based Winging It Ayy Nigga System yet? We talked about it before but you were unsure how to implement fatigue dependent stuff.

>>40574710
FLICKADOO!

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>>40575334
>https://swoleateveryheight.blogspot.com/2016/11/volume-dependent-intensity-progression.html

he's fucking shit at writing concise articles that make a point, but the idea is training to failure off a 2rep training max and add weight if you hit a certain rep range, and if not, work towards more reps with that weight until you can progress. Basically just linear progression with a failure mechanism implemented

>>40575345
This is already what I do, I just haven't referred to it as cluster sets, so I'm glad to see something backing it up statistically. Although I've been toying with taking my compound sets to failure (over the course of fewer sets at a higher intensity) and that's been great so far

>>40575379
I'm trying to find a way to partner it with the VDIP system right now, something that I like at least. Although since it's training to failure, it works in a similar way.

So far I've been working with the workload to failure/fatigue system in conjunction by working with the same weight to achieve more reps, but if I feel that I'm not able to achieve more for the given number of sets, increase the intensity and drop the volume a little bit.

Easy to do on paper (the RPE shit) not so easy to implement into a routine

>>40575438
>Easy to do on paper (the RPE shit) not so easy to implement into a routine
Yep, but oh so worth it. No idea how to fumble VDIP into this but they seem somewhat compatible yeah. Share your findings pls, I am comfortable with how I train for now but the obsessive autism must be fed occasionally.

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>>40575493
>the obsessive autism must be fed occasionally

will share findings if I get around to finding a way to work it in. So far this has been great, and have about 2-3 more weeks of bulking before transitioning into a cut again, but for now this will probably carry me to the end of the bulk without any transitions and I'm sure I'll start messing with it once I'm cutting again.

>>40575368
Set/intensity equated of course. Use your noggin.

>>40575438
Yeah it's been known for quite some time. Jamie Lewis advocates the same sort of training as well, just doesn't name the method anything. Personally I think 'cluster sets' is a bad term, but whatever I'm not writing articles.

>>40575379
Hey that's my program

>>40575202
lol fags, i rested 1min between sets even as a natty aye lmao get cucked

>>40575613
Depending on your intensity and rep ranges that might have been suboptimal.

>>40575533
Glad to hear. Will gladly plagiate your approach, as Confucius said the copy honors the original kek

>>40575586
Patent pending.

Fraud > meme generals > Plg

>>40575659
Plg has some ok trips and contributers but has been choked out by the autistic drama. Problem is powerlifting tends to attract autists so the trend is only gonna get worse.

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>>40575623
i looked like this after 4 months, i think it didnt do any harm

>>40575659
This sthread has gotten better. Still weird.

>>40575724
So manlet chest bro. Impressive

>>40575701
drama mostly gone since raf was exposed but other autism rampant. also they are the only ones on /fit/ who will not shit on roiding strongmen for being >15% bf lel

>>40575724
As I remember this pic looks exact same as your 1 year progress my mane.

>>40575904
Major difference is 4 months giving Alex a half chub while 1 year made him rock hard.

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>email the other big Canadian source on SST
>those prices

>>40575904
rude

>>40576259
i pay 40€ for on test vial, dont complain

>>40576259
Become your own lab and capitalize.

>>40576273
Jesus dude. Why

>>40576273
I'm pretty sure the other big Canadian source charges like 60 cad for a vial of test E, so around 43 euros

the only advantage we have in Canada is that at least shit ships domestically and you don't have to go through a billion eu borders/figure out what's shenzhen and what isn't

How can I get away with having sex in my car? For some reason this bitch wants me to do it because she gets off on public sex. It's the only way she'll have sex with me. I'm almost want to say no because can't I get charged with a sex crime and need to register for it?

Anyone ever done it before? How do you avoid being seen? If the police officer pulls up and sees both of you in the back seat is there anything you can do to deny criminal activity?

>>40576477
L m a o

No one will charge you with a sex
Crime. I fuck in public often, have been caught maybe twice. What's the worst thing that can happen? Mild embarrassment dude. If it's a cop, he will literally say "go home don't be gross". If it's anyone else you just say "this isn't a show fuck off" or you let them watch if you dig it.

Sex crimes are for ugly weird people, not exploratory couples.

>>40576316
i only order from eu sources, and believe it or not but thats the lowest i have seen so far

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How is IGF-1 LR3 ? Worth addding to my second cycle? Want to step it up but fuck orals and it seems all other compounds are pretty shit compared to test besides tren and mast which i was told to wait on doing.
Was thinking of doing it all the way through a couple weeks past the pct. Do it 2 weeks on 2 off is what i read.

man it's a good thing reddit is anonymous and can't be linked to buyers because I'm pretty sure that one canadian source would be sending anthrax to a bunch of people right about now

>>40568675
>driving automatic

>masT b8 thread

aye lmao

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>It's ANOTHER episode of a certain Canadian source making a fool of himself on sst

This guy needs to be stopped.

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>>40576901
Just order raws and make it yourself the upcharge for finished products is disgusting.

>>40576951
Yeah but seems like you need to make a huge order and make like 50 vials of test and I don't really want to deal with having all the equipment and shit.

But for real though this guy needs to be stopped, he keeps making stupid posts on sst

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>>40568675
I'm 20, can barely grow some whiskers on my chin, and my dick ain't great. What would the viability of hopping on a test booster be? Could it fuck me up when I stopped taking it? I'm specifically looking at the Chaos and Pain one, which technically works as a PCT (I'm not interested in doing steroids though). Could this possibly work?

Sorry if this isn't the place to be asking this, but I figured you guys would know.

>>40576957
wish the only other lab with good reviews didn't overcharge like fucking crazy

but my orders are on hiatus until this retard gets canned or they fix the current problems

I may have gone a bit too ham on him in his thread though, might get banned for being too rude. ah well.

>>40577067
He's mentally retarded dude, what the fuck is his spelling and grammar. Is it that hard to put the slightest bit of effort into your posts when people are buying hundreds of dollars at a time of products from you?

and he just says the dumbest fucking shit

>Dude he's low test that's why 500mg test-e per week is getting him under 1500ng/dl

>Dude 20mg sdrol ED is a tiny dose

>Look at my blood work results, this proves the test is not bunk even though the rep would get the best of the best if anything

>>40577057
They make you horny and more aggressive. They don't fuck you up when you come off them but I think you do have to cycle them.

Also they're way too expensive.

>>40577057
Waste of money, no significant bennefits

only way to uncuck your hormones is taking actual hormones

Is. The war on sugar just a new meme for the fitness industry to shill?

Dr layne norton said it had no bearing if calories are controlled.

We also know thay even mid level amateurs take in hundreda of grams of pure sugar post work out and injections.

>>40575724
>roiding for this

>>40577057
They're usually just a moderate dose of zinc, tribulus, fenugreek, arginine, horny goat weed and an antioxidant like n-acetyl-cysteine to counter the bad effects of arginine.

I mean its better in one tablet than many but they tell you to stack it with their branded 'anabolic' capsule, and it gets fucking expensive.

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>>40576957
The colorful panda sells per /g if you don't want a minimum. But you could order a decent amount from whoever and then vacuum seal and freeze whatever you didn't use.

Is it possible to get any of these as a prescription? Is it possible to lower my test temporarily to fake having low test? I don't want to deal with all this shady stuff, but I'm at the point where I'm considering it.

>>40577311
Yeah but it's not going to be enough to make "BIG MUZLE GAINZ". The doctor will just try to get your testosterone levels to optimal such that it doesn't harm your health, not try to make you grow.

>>40577327
How do I temporarily lower it then? I've spent so much time researching test online, and I know the doc won't give the best stuff, but I'm literally too autistic to even insinuate to someone at the gym that I'm looking, and no one ever talks about sources online, probably for good reasons

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How do sources stay open for so long without getting in trouble with the law? You'd think that having your business listed on reddit would flag authorities quickly?

How do people avoid the law for years while doing illegal activity? Are there any special tips?

>>40577367
reddit.com/r/steroidsourcetalk for sources

and lowering it is going to be useless. The doctor will just prescribe you with TRT which will shut down your natural production to give you a natural man's production of testosterone (useless unless you actually are low testosterone).

if you want to make "gains" you're either going to have to nut up and buy it locally or buy it online.

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Man this tren and other shit has killed my appetite. I can't even finish a Chipotle bowl with double meat now.

>>40577311
just find a doctor you can pay off, it's way more common than most people think

>>40577401
Is that a private sub or something? I just looked it up and didn't find anything. Maybe it got banned?

>>40577413
Oh my god, my hands are clammy just thinking about attempting this. The searing discomfort from finding a doctor just to have them say no and give me the "they're dangerous and illegal" speech makes me want to throw up. I'm sorry for all my questions, I have been a long time lurker, but I am really bad at engaging with other humans. I just want to be big and strong :(

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>>40577239
4 months into natty lifting mah faggot

u mad because my neck is thicker then ur twig arms

>>40577462
>Is that a private sub or something? I just looked it up and didn't find anything. Maybe it got banned?

Nigga what the fuck?

Just copy and paste it

>>40577401
>>40577462

Oh no, I'm just a fucking retard who can't read. I put two s'es instead of one. Sorry

In theory; if I became my own... research lab, how would I go about pct? This is not possible to make in my "bathtub", right?

Also even if the powder may be cheap, how much would I need to invest in the actual tools of the trade?

"Just b&c for life fagget"...

>>40577562
>In theory; if I became my own... research lab, how would I go about pct? This is not possible to make in my "bathtub", right?

Uh yes it is. You would make it the exact same way you make steroids.

But you could also just buy Indian pharmaceutical

>>40576772
How long ago was this pic? Jason actually looks good here

>>40577401
Delete that before you get this thread banned and stop spoon-feeding retards

>>40577670
linking to sst isn't against rules never seen anyone banned for it

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>>40577698
Uh yes it is. Sourcetalk is bannable. AFAIK you can allude to things like saying SST but can't link to them. Besides it for the better when people can't figure out sources themselves they have issues.

>>40577730
I've linked retards to it at least 10 times and never been banned

Pharma grade pct sounds like the way to go... Imagen making a mistake in your own pct brew and then when shit goes down for real you are just royally fucked.

How do you quality test the brews? Any tricks or tips? I know there is a lab you can send drugs to and they check what it is, but who wants to do that every time.

>>40577777
>Imagen making a mistake in your own pct brew and then when shit goes down for real you are just royally fucked.

You wouldn't get fucked, you could just cruise longer or deal with it while ordering some indian pct.

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>>40577777
Based quints of truth confirm that pharma is the only way to go for any ancillaries.

>>40577737
Consider yourself lucky then I guess.

>>40577816
>TFW bought ugl ai and pct and don't want to throw it out and buy indian

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>>40577836
The most expensive thing with Indian pharma is always the shipping which sucks but having bunk pct stuff would probably be way worse.

Or just join the b&c master race.

looking to do a baby's first cycle. have researched anything and everything but I wanted to know from you guys

what is recommended for a roider workout? pplpplx with high rep ranges and lots of different exercises?

>>40577862
tan and jacked 2.0

Brahs the RC company I bought my clen from called me today. It was some Indian guy and he asked if I knew that it is illegal to take it, why would they do this? So they are covered legally or something?

>>40577960
>giving your phone number to an indian company

are you retarded?

>>40577836
Bought Indian asin for the same price as cheapest ugl

Definitely worth. Just order ahead of time

>>40577934
Eyyy I've been reccing GZCL for months in fraud.

Autoregulated, plenty of volume and really hard to fuck up.

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I want to see an illegal girl (HOOKER). What are some safe ways to cover my ass so I can be sure not to get into legal trouble? You're all criminals so I figure you people know what's up.

>>40578033
Why do you think seeing a prostitute is gonna get you in trouble.

Try this rule of thumb when doing illegal shit: don't be a dumbass.

>>40578066
What if she tells someone or someone sees us? What if it's a sting?

>>40578077
What if she's a psycho and stuffed needles in her vagina

What if you go so sex her and find out it's your mom

>>40578077
I'm also curious about this

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>>40578033
>>40578066
>>40578077
>>40578099
>>40578122
Kek smiles upon the whore seekers

>>40577153
Fair point. How might I cycle them though, what does that exactly mean? Sorry just not sure of the terminology.

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New job is tight
Gf is great
No natcotic cravings
Physique is almost decent

2017 is shaping up to be a real year of Kahuna after all

Thank you all my loving anons and trip friends for your support
Today I am grateful

>>40578369
ANON WHO WAS SEEING THE QT FROM HIS CLASSES WEDNESDAY NIGHT TELL US HOW IT WENT

ANON WHO WAS SEEING QT ROID DEALER GIRL LAST NIGHT TELL US HOW IT WENT

Single anons let me fuck whores vicariously through you

>>40577210
>Waste of money, no significant bennefits
>only way to uncuck your hormones is taking actual hormones
Do you mean HCG?

>>40577413
>just find a doctor you can pay off
Would that have to be an endocrinologist?
Any other?

>>40578369
>>40578613

Ayy you gonna do door duty do at the sloots club?

>>40578744
Nah decided to pass on it. I started a new job this week and decided to keep with it since it's more "normal" and the pay is solid. Also keeping two shifts at the restaurant I've been at since moving for some spending cash.

My only real expenses are car and roids. Gf pays for my bills, gym, nights out, clothes, etc. She just switched hospitals and is now getting $60/hr.

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>>40578891

Pretty comfy bruh. Wish I still had my qt Richass GF whos currently inheriting like 3 mil as we speak

I accepted a new job today but Ill be lucky if I pull 45k this year

Does she know you juice?

New thread or I'll make one with a silly OP

>>40578947
She knows but we ABSOLUTELY NEVER talk about it. She's against it because "muh medical training" and won't eat her var like a good girl (miss my roiding womanlet ex sometimes).

All I want is her to pay $120 a month for meditropes but I'll probably wait for my bday to ask.

All money aside I love her so much. She is cool with my history even though she fucking hates the whole gay prostitution thing. Regardless I've never connected with another person so much.

Love is out there my friends don't ever settle.

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>>40579025
Shes knows about the gay rootin and tootin?

There is indeed hope for us all