/fraud/ steroids general

First for hgh

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>tfw my dbol and adrol are taking forever to ship

This is my first bad experience trying a newer guy and frankly I'm concerned

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I'm competitive not just in having big juicy arms, but also having money and security, vacations n such

>>40440193
>>40439934

Ment to do one of those quotes, I'm rusty

Anyone else notice when theyre on dbol their body temp is super fuckin high? I feel like im warm no matter how cool it actually is

>>40440101
Since you're fucking with tren and hgh why don't you add slin? The hgh and tren prevent all the extraneous fat from slin use

>>40440123
Where are you ordering your dbol and adrol from? I'm in the states, like you (I imagine you are) and everything online is sketch as fuck.

>>40440488
Because i dont want that disgusting ass gut. Isn't it basically guaranteed?

Rather have a fuccboi waist

>>40440031
I got a hernia at the gymbo slice today doing, of all fucking things, decline sit-ups. pushed it back in, passed the fuck out, came to, and went to the front counter saying "sorry to interrupt, but can you get me some first aid please?"

Anyway, the Doc didn't even tell me to stop lifting – she just said "yeah you just have to be aware that you're probably gonna get these again. Just Don't life heavy for a few days."

Moral of the story, I'm gonna be that faggot wearing a belt doing curls from now on.

>>40440592
No source talk m8

I'm cutting with Winny and test and at a really big caloric deficit, cardio everyday as well as the sauna afterwards so I'd expect to be pretty dry, but I'm not. Is the water retention of the test that strong? I'm taking my AI which isn't UGL so I'm pretty sure its g2g

>>40440688
pm me

>>40440715
where do you think you are

>>40440708
What's your diet like? Are you balancing minerals?

Test dose and AI dose?

>>40440734
Ok so I just shifted the diet to something along the lines of keto, carbs under 50g's and all other calories just come from whole eggs, some shredded cheese, protein shakes and then cottage cheese at night. 1500-1700 calories. Before that my macro ratio was 40/40/20 (carbs, protein, fats)

Test dose is 500mg week, 250 E3D, AI dose is as best as I can get to 12.5mg of my Exemstane, winny at 25mg/day because I didn't buy enough for 50mg/day to run it for 6 weeks

>>40440787
If you're cutting 250mg of test is more than enough. Could be contributing to bloating.

Diet seems okay but dairy can bloat me sometimes.

Assuming that I can get a hold of the the powder, would it be worthwhile to homebrew test/tren?
If I'm going to be pinning chinese bathtub chemicals into my ass either way, wouldn't it be better to make sure that they're not watered down chinese bathtub chemicals?

i cant find a somatropin source what the fuck is wrong with me

Anyone else here a UFC fan?
Fucking hilarious post-fight interview from the Black Beast tonight. Top 3 for sure 'Where ronda rousey fine ass at?"

Anyways is var gonna affect my heart rate? Just trying to figure out if I should drop/lessen my ECA stack tomorrow.

About to do my first cycle.
26 years old, 195lbs, lifting for 1.5 years.

Would it be a waste to continue my intermediate strength routine? it's only 3 days a week so I'm worried I'd be wasting the roids by not doing a more intense program.

Goal is ultimately to increase strength permanently, and I understand increasing mass will help that so I'd be fine doing a mass program for 12 weeks or so, but I'd prefer to keep doing the strength program if all things are equal.

>>40441149
>not lifting 5-6 days a week
>wants to roid
>no height
cummmonnnnm8888wtffffffff

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Apparently even if you don't get gyno or any other high estrogen symptoms it still can cause prostate enlargement. Been BnC for a bit over a year now and I have trouble pissing a bit and I feel the need to urinate almost constantly and it eases off soon after I drop my dosing and high aromatizing compounds make it terribly bad.

Ordering letrozole rn and finasteride to prevent any prostate or hairloss problems in the future. Also lowering dosage and trying out SARMs for a while to let my prostate rest a bit, 150mg test, 100mg deca, 20mg ostarine + GHRP2 for a few months

Just ridiculous to have pissing problems @ the age of 22. So take my advice and get your bloods tested at least once or twice a year and make sure your estrogen is in check.

>>40441149
> it's only 3 days a week

how the fuck do you faggots even live with yourself. next your gonna be saying my wifes son snort protein powder and is bigger than me.

>>40441149
What are your lifts?
Why do you want to become stronger?
What programming are you currently using?

>>40441190
ohp 165 bench 245 squat 360 deadlift 425
it's just a lifelong goal to see how strong I can get. not competing any time soon.
texas method

God I fucking swear hgh makes calf pumps worse. I never have gotten them just walking from the parking lot to my dorm. I just got them half way to my dorm, and they are so bad holy shit. Fuck

>>40441171
I had that towards the end of my natty days. I swear my test levels dropped from the 200s to almost 0, i wish i could know for sure.

I hopped on 5 or so weeks after i got bloods. But by the end of it i swear i had almost 0 test, i could barely fucking move.

Retardedly enough starting roids stopped my prostate bullshit.

>>40441281
estrogen also makes the prostate worse fyi.

Has anyone had experience with cardarine? I saw the most frequently referred to cancer study in rats but it's old has since been debunked for extensive insane dosing.
Would be interested in using something to cut that won't fuck with my heart and may even help endurance

>>40441235
I'd make sure that I did some more accessories though, or else you'll actually look like a tyrannosaur and probably have a higher likelihood of elbow problems/tricep tendinitis

>>40441316
>>40441235
FUCK I'm a retard.
It's not like having MORE testosterone in your system will make the texas method not work. It may not be optimal for someone on gear and you may be able to handle a fair bit more volume, but you'll still make good gains on it.

>>40441281
> calf pumps worse

dude 5 grams of taurine is what you need. well may be 10 grams since your on both sdrol and tren at the same time.

>>40441399
>>40441316
thanks bro. I'll stick with it then and just add as many accessories as I can handle.

>>40441415
more is better and when on steriods you do as much as you can when you can.

>>40441405
I'm temporarily stopping the sdrol until friday when my exams are over because i dont want the lethargy to fuck up my grades

It's not too noticeable but definitely there I think.

>>40441475
just take DMAA or ephedra you'll over come any lethargy

also you on any TUDCA or NAC ?

the taurine helps for pumps. yes andro's arent roids but i still get pumps with them but trust me its worth the try.

>>40441488
750mg tudca since bimbo told me 1.5g is pointless and my liver is made of steel anyway

And if those are stimulants i fucking hate them unless I am on psmf or dnp or both. They dont even make me feel less tired just jittery and anxious as fuck

>guy in room next to me is fucking this girl so hard i heard the pounding through the walls and her moaning

Gonna fucking kill myself in a second FUCK

Just took more pilocarpine

Fuck she will not shut the fuck up

>>40441606
>not recording it

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>when you outlift the numbers in this thread as a natty

You people are jokes

>>40441637
literally the only person to have posted numbers in this thread is also natty you dumb ape

>lifting for strength
lol!

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>>40441415
Please add a ton of accessories it pains me to read this. I want to see everyone grow and this is so not effective.

>>40441606
Kek last year I was cheating on my ex with the head RA of a nearby college and she had a disciplinary meeting because she was so loud and it was a "bad example for her floor".
She was from Minnesota and had the accent and everything.

Actually this ex gf reached out today and asked me to come live with her. She got out of jail a bit ago and got sepsis in her heart from a dirty needle.
Sounds like a great idea. She also lost all her muscle mass from the whole ordeal. Smh what a shame.

>>40441606
>>40441699
my roommate is a kissless virgin and he always gets mad when the girls are loud.

I make it a point to never tell the girls I have a roommate home so they feel free to be as loud as they want

>>40441508
just making sure your not nukeing your liver bro.

try out the taurine 5 grams preworkout and if need be 5 grams as soon as you wake up.

> just jittery and anxious as fuck

sucks bro

>>40441637
>implying we lift for numbers or girls.

>>40441699
You are the expert on rec drugs here apparently

What kind of shit can i do that will allow me to feel happy/not depressed but will not fuck me up too bad, and not hinder gains TOO much?

I don't care about how bad the withdrawals are as long as they are not extreme like heroin.

I give up i just need some sort of release

>>40441908

plugging MDMA

>>40441978
>plugging MDMA
>TFW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF6NXvUKfLs

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>>40441908
I found pregabalin to be an unconventional mood lifter with recreational utility. Lyrica.

Science behind it makes lot of sense too. Binds to receptor site on voltage dependent calcium channels (VDCCs) and induces the release of exitatory neurotransmitters (glutamate, substance P, acetylcholine and norepinephrine).

Helps a lot with deep sleep as well. Leaves you feeling almost cartoonishly fresh in the morning. I described it earlier as if someone took the chemicals that make you feel fresh in the am and saturated your brain with them to the point that you feel sedated.

Could be a bit of a fluke experience due to me taking quite a lot for my first time. (350mg oral and 100mg insufflated). But worth investigating further imho. Now that I think about it, I will take 150mg before sleep (closer to therapeutic dosage) and try to use it more along intended lines.

Beware, there is risk of dependence and tolerance can rise (with pregabalin). Also, if Kratom isn't schedule 1 yet then that can be decent for some but I personally found it to be vile and more than capable of producing withdrawal-like symptoms.

The best drug will always be the expansion of your philosophical horizons through close interaction with the writings of great masters, saints, and friends of Logos.

Are you into stims? Mood lifting effects of pure caffeine (like the powder) were pretty great when I used to use the powders for recreation (and combination with the herbal jew - dark times).

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>>40442125
>(and combination with the herbal jew - dark times)

More like dank times, amirite?

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>>40442200
>More like dank times, amirite?
>dank times, amirite?
>dank times,
>times,
>time

triggered

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>>40442125
http://imgur.com/gallery/u5o62
time travel

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vbw1v5e0n1h4in3/AADX6B4wkTzykbj3xySJWzQ-a?dl=0
redpills


heres some sideline readings for you baby. i know you'll love it.

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Wanting to do keto alongside my Winny cutting cycle. Macro ratio would be 5% carbs roughly, 30% protein and 65% fats. Will this be too low of protein? I'm cutting pretty hard at around 1,700 calories so that's around 110 grams of protein only.

>>40440031
Anybody here eat 5 or more meals a day?
Im cutting at around 2700 and I've dropped to 4 meals, is there any real difference or what?

So usually I get a fever after the first injection of a new cycle. I got this two weeks ago but now I'm again sick in a 103 fever. It's nothing big to worry about right?

Beginning a new blast after a long cruise on 500mg of test for the last 5 months or so.

500mg test enanthate
600mg Deca
600mg EQ
400mg Tren Enanthate

Now I know people say to never stack Tren and Deca - but I also know from people who have stacked them that they work well together if you can handle the sides. I'm thinking at such relatively low dosages the sides won't be too bad but the results should be ok.

Thoughts? I also run 6iu slin pre-workout and 4iu of GH. Caber and Adex on hand for prolactin and estro sides.

>>40442490
>cruise of 500mg
>less tren than test
>deca and test
>Eq with that stack
>run minimum GH with over 2g of test a week
lmfao, please tell me you're massive

>>40442667
>cruising on less than 500 is pointless - you may as well come off and give yourself a break. If you have actual mass - you ain't holding shit on less than 500
>yes, they compete for the same receptor. The only reasoning for running tren higher than test is that higher estrogen - from the test, increases the odds of high progesterone sides coming out. Easily countered with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI).
>Deca and Test is arguably the best bulking stack there is
>The EQ is in there for appetite
>GH is expensive, running 4iu for indefinitely is better than at 6 or 8 for half a year, or none at all
>Bigger than you

>>40442726
Pics of you?

300mg of test is perfectly fine for cruise, and I'd say adrol is better with Tren for bulk tbph

>>40442490
>>40442726
pls be big

>>40442726
Stats?

>>40442780
You can comfortably run deca and test at high dosages for 10 - 14 weeks no issue at all. Adrol? What... may @ 100mg for a month and you have the liver of an alcoholic and you're holding more water than a water bed.

>>40442808
5'10, 240 @ 12% or so

>>40441660
>fake muscles
lolllll. I bet you think they look good too. grill here, theyre disgusting

>>40442863
believe it when i see it

Brooooos never tried roids but now im at a point where i might want to give it a go for a little boost

You think its a good idea to just cruise on 250mg test for like 8 weeks? Worth it?

>>40442879
no and you'd do well to research because you know fuckall

>>40442863
bull fucking shit

>>40442891
kys

>>40442903
You're a fucking moron.

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>>40442424

>>40442911
oh wait you're already roiding so you're killing yourself already

>>40442917
lmao ya got me dude

fukn zyz brahh xdxd

>>40442891
ok im going to do 1000mg then thanks breh eat big get big amirite

>>40436182
>It's just diet that's the key for body composition and performance once you have training and 'supplements' set

yeah of course but i dont obsess over it as much as i used to. my diet is essentially:

kcals for current goal = proton minimum for current goal + fat maximum for goal + x

where x is any carbs or additional protons i consume, be it preworkout carbs or a brew or three with the lads or mommas stew on sundays or whatever, as long as i dont surpass my kcals or fat max anything goes to an extent

you need to understand that i am considered anorexic by fellow competitors for hovering around 15-17% bf at any given point lmao

also i live in a painfully rural corner of my country, slightly bloofy bearmode is considered the pinnacle mating characteristic here for stronk and big males. i have been shunned by bitches for having somewhat visible abs back when i was younger lel

>>40442932
'no'

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>>40442924
you're god damn right

do 500mg for 16-20 weeks dude, you should really learn what esters are and how they work

>>40442935
stop liking what i dont like 2: autistic bogaloo

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>>40442877
>>40442896

Just jabbed delt, little bit of oil came out, what do you do in this situation?
Up the does a little tomorrow or just cut your losses

>>40442946
300mg will be enough for cruising
Mirin but thats well about 12% my man

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>>40442946
disgusting tatts but otherwise jooci af, mirin

how long you been roiding?

>>40442937
>>40442924
I'd say 12-14 weeks 500mg for first course but if alls going well 20 could be ok

>>40442942
do you feel in charge?

>>40442946
>those tattoo
are you 12?

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>>40440031

>>40442968
300mg isn't enough. Maybe at 6'2, 240 it is. But not at 5'10.

>>40442974
I did a few cycles between 23 - 25. I stay on now. Been blasting/cruising for 2 years

can I stick it in my dick so Itll make it bigger for a little while? Its still a muscle right?

>>40442987
I didn't get my tattoos for you. Your opinion - like you - is irrelevant.

>>40442998
It's nice to see a /fit/izen not ashamed of being 5'10, maybe we all will make it

>>40443012
Oh he mad. Roid rage amirite?

FYI i have impeccable taste when it comes to looks so believe me when I say its shit

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>>40442950
ztrack prevents this, but it's nothing to worry about

>>40442977
he'll be fine dude, that's basic bitch shit

it takes 2-4 weeks for it to build up anyway, and for all the trouble he's going through shutting himself down..

>>40443004
very formidable, you should consider tripping here we could use new /fraud/s to drown out the dyel neet brigade

>>40443025
Yeah but it's kinda hard to ztrack my own delts

Best supplements for acne on a cruise dose with no AI' s?

>>40443041
doxycycline

>>40443032
use your palm to drag the skin as you stick the needle in, works well enough for me

alternatively pin elsewhere jfc

>>40443041
soap and water twice daily, preferably post workout if it's a minor breakout

retinol creams seem alright, but nothing'll beat accutane if it gets out of hand, certainly wouldn't use it unless absolutely necessary though

have you tried upping your AI a bit, or making sure you're consistent?

>>40443054
you seen decent results with this, or is it more preventative?

>>40442978
i am fraud reckoning. here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on

>>40443007
>Its still a muscle right?
nope, is not

>>40443064
Yeah works fr me bro

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Just wanted to give a big 'fuck you' to all of you faggots here. None of you ever helped me with a source, but guess what dumb fucks? In the end I didnt need you.

>>40443122
are you the guy who got severely autistic butthurt because we rather told him to lurk sst than risk a ban here? good job. post results later.

>>40443080
it is tho

>>40443122
>Cyp
>A mere 4 vials
lmao

>>40443154
>not needing behemoth amounts like you

Whos really laughing here?

>>40443122
You forgot your vitamin K

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>>40443146
>>40443154
>>40443162
Shutup faggots. I lifted more naturally than you did after your first cycle. Pathetic pussies

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20.
190lbs/86kg.
6'0/183cm.
15-16%bf.

Currently running PHAT, once I hit 1/2/3/4 I'm going on a cut to about 10-12% bf, then starting 500mg test enanthate per week for 12 weeks, have bloods, AI and PCT sorted.

Is this a good enough base? I know it would be better to hit my natural limit but I don't see that happening for another 4 or 5 years, and I've been reading about this stuff since 2013 so I've seen how sweet the fruit is, so to say.

>>40443122
>he only posts the vials of oil and nothing else
>he probably only ordered vials of test
this is gonna be good

>>40443179
Is this b8?

>>40443153
spongy cavernous bodies that fill with blood on demand. pelvic floor and taint have muscles, not important here though.

>>40443160
what did he mean by this

>>40443205
seems not. which makes it all the more entertaining in that case.

>>40443263
you dont need all these retarded asthetic tren compounds etc to roid. all you rlly need is test to get strong as fuck. he could literaly do test and get bigger and stronger than you whilst you blast compound after compound trying to be at 3%bf

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did this really just happen

>>40443285
please explain, my kankermongool is rusty and i have no idea who he is

>>40443272
>>40443179
samefag

>>40443296
fitness celebrity with 500k follows.

>>40443307
ah, looked him up now, knew him but the name didnt ring a bell. so i assume he liked your pic? post said pic then pls.

>>40443303
no actually

>>40443666
k

>>40440599
>Implying that happens instantly

Nah, it builds slowly.

Plus it's just all the layers of their core overdeveloped as fuck as shown by dexa scans

>>40440638
Belts increase IAP, it might literally make it worse

>>40440031
Be honest with me here...

Is it at all possible to look good withoun't resorting to steroids?

Literally all the guys at my gym that actually did make it are all notorious steroid abusers.

Is it worth the health consequences?

>>40441908
Cannabis, actually.

You could try stims as well, but if you're feeling'stuck' that might not be the best

>>40442932
>you need to understand that i am considered anorexic by fellow competitors for hovering around 15-17% bf at any given point lmao
Yeah, but fatties gonna fat, as always

>also i live in a painfully rural corner of my country, slightly bloofy bearmode is considered the pinnacle mating characteristic here for stronk and big males. i have been shunned by bitches for having somewhat visible abs back when i was younger lel
Kek. What country is this?

>want to buy blender to make 0 clumps out of my soy casein almond milk shakes
>also make leaner humous cause normie fucks put retarded amounts of olive oil


Spending 30bux n wasting space plus cleaning seems like a tough deal just for. >muh consistency. Though

>>40443997
make-believe land

>>40442946
bro how do I get that big. I've tried low dosing, gained like 15lbs of muscle over the last year and a half. but i wana be a freak. do I just high dose and never go off until I reach that level

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What does /fraud/ run adex at?
I was thing of .25 end or .5 EOD to start

>cutting natty fatty
>start TRT
>weight stalls and actually rises on average for two weeks, despite fat still being lost
I'm glad I took progress pictures, because I was getting really frustrated. Though my lifts going up while cutting is pretty nice...
I'm in my third week right now. How long can I expect this stall/increase to continue on the scale before my body is done adjusting?
Also, what metrics do you guys use other than weight to track progress? I've never used anything else, but the scale won't be all that useful for (I assume) at least a couple more weeks.

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444444 get

>>40444442
>missing a get on a board as slow as /fit/
smH

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>>40444477
wow I should just kill myself

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>>40444317
pls rspnd

>>40444442
>>40444444

>>40444514
Maybe you should have told us what compounds and dosage you retard.
>i want get big, how many calorie i eat?

>>40444627
At least 10k calories a day or you're guaranteed to be small

Who am i supposed to be using for bitcoin now

Circles become gay and coinbase baleeted my account, and i dont wanna jump through them hoops again

>>40444433
You might just need to drop the calories some more. You're tdee drops you lose fat.

I'd normally say the stall was do to water weight, bit you shouldn't be getting much of that on TRT doses.

>>40443997
>Yeah, but fatties gonna fat, as always
oh of course. just meant that all but two of my peers who compete locally here are 25-40% strongfat. not claiming i am lean by any of /fraud/s standards, christ no

>What country is this?
rural gypsy europe. /int/s white niggers lel

>>40444144
shush

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What exercises do you guys feel gives the best delt pump? I need to grow mine into fully fledged cannonballs.

>>40444665
I'll sell you some for 10% over coinbase. Gotta make dat moolah bby.

>>40444317
I hope that's a wig otherwise she's got a big forehead and a weird hairline.

>>40444694
I dont have a coinbase anymore and no

>>40444694
Lateral raises with locked scapula and face pulls.

>>40444524
gaaaayyyyy

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>>40444706
LBC is probably the only way then but they all overcharge. If you're in danger of running out of gear I'd sell you some at cost because that'd be shitty not to.

>>40444716
With a dumbbell, cables or machine? I've been doing them as leaning cable lat raises but I only feel them in my nondominant arm for some reason. I may drop the weight to like 12lbs and just do sets of 20 or so.

>>40444680
I dunno, man, I was on a ~700 calorie deficit already, and I've only been cutting for a month. I shouldn't have stalled so hard this early, right? This never happened while natty, so I assume it's related to the test.
I was low test before, if that matters (probably low/mid 300s ng/dL like last time I cut weight).

>>40442726
>cruising on less than 500 is pointless.

Read you need to drop down to around at least 200 for a cruise to unfuck your bloodwork.
Its really sustainable never going below 500?

Do SARMS talks being in /fraud/?

>>40444796
no it isn't

>>40444776
Dumbbells yo, just make sure your scapula doesn't move.

>>40444776
Wait who is this

>>40444796
If you're trying to become the next Phil Heath and don't care if you might die at 50 then cruise at 500mg. If you're not a professional bodybuilder or trying to be one, cruise at 200mg or below.

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>>40444866
Me or the girl? I've always been anon but I've been here since before BL and FL started selling. Girl is Comet Nox.

>>40444862
Aight I'll try it later.

>>40444907
Sorry dude
I appreciate it but i need specific things
Lady var in particular

>>40444796
Tfw cruising on 125test/125tren

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>>40444935
Ah okay. Why not just get raws and suspend it yourself? $5/g isn't bad for some var versus $30 or whatever for 50 or so 5mg pills.

>>40445002
Better add some mast and superdrol just to make sure you don't go catabolic bruh.

>>40444665
it took me less than an hour from when I created my coinbase account to make a 500 dollars btc trade

the id verification thing is super great, you literally put your id up to your camera and it analyzes it instantly, no more waiting for people to manually check shit... It's great

dunno why so many people get their accounts deleted though

>>40445006
Too busy desu
I just want to order the gear and get it
Why has this become so complicated

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>>40445020
Dunno. Sucks that circle quit doing BTC and now coinbase basically has a monopoly.

>>40445010
>dunno why so many people get their accounts deleted though
Probably because they were sending directly from coinbase to a seller instead of using a personal wallet.

>>40445072
Whats a good spot for a personal wallet bruh
Imma use coinmama i think

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>>40445087
I use electrum.

>>40445147
any good? tempted to use it too but heard mixed reviews.

also holy shit those tits, someone bring me my fainting couch

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>>40445248
I like it. It's easy and secure with easily disposable addresses for receiving.

It's @ashleybelger and yeah they're some primo fake titties. Would suck on daily/10

Theoretically if I was to take steroids for a few years, reach a bit above my natty limit, then hop off permanently, assuming my test levels bounce back, how much of those gains would I expect to keep?

>>40445391
Depends entirely on how much effort you put in and how hard you work.

>>40445446
Wouldn't I need to dial back my training if I was go from being enhanced back to natural, since I don't have the same recovery ability?

>>40445391
You lose quite a lot when you come of, it will go away slowly and will take a long time to ever make progress again assuming you actually can even make gains again since you will have been on gear for years.

>>40445317
nais. will change to it eventually then.

thanks a bunch for name, seen her posted a few times but had no sauce until now. boy I would tap that with the force of a thousand dying suns.

>>40445391
masT kept nearly all of his mass, and he didnt even BnC at that time.

Grandpa you here? Im not sure if this is complete coincidence, but i think upping the DIM to 1000mg has done some magic on my acne. Gonna watch out for the next weeks and see if this was the DIM reducing the acne or just plain coincidence.


Also a link for all
>muhh hair stack fags

https://www.amazon.de/Palmetto-Sägepalme-Tabletten-Vegan-3000mg/dp/B01INM2QPS/ref=sr_1_10?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=1487609938&sr=1-10&keywords=saw+palmetto

>>40445576
my shoulders also hurt like fuck and my face is more defined so i prolly just crashed my estro aye lmao

>>40444862
Enjoy your impingement you fucking mong.

Why the fuck would the delt work less when you elevate scapula? Here's a hint, it fucking wont. Your scapula moves to make room in the joint.

Stop breathing

>>40445391
This is a dumb fucking question for so many reasons

One, the premise of a 'natty limit' is both personal and completely unfounded. Your genes are not my genes, your upper limit for protein retention and synthesis is not the same as mine.

Two, it assumes you actually are dieting and training optimally, which almost no one fucking is.

Three, no one would fucking know how much you really keep because there's never been a study. You're left with complete horseshit anecdotes.

Think through your goddamn questions

my arms have been blowing up with 3x a week accessory work but now my chest is lagging behind

what should I add besides the 30 variations of bench pressing?

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>>40445910
Cable flies from different angles.

>>40445993
>flies
Flyes*

>>40445807
Cool the roid rage LOL

You need therapy

What exercises will make my ribcage grow?

Don't tell me it's impossible I won't listen.

>>40446097
You need to grow up. That wasn't even close to caustic enough.

5/10 I do have a hair trigger today

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>when you can't buy your sterons from 4chan anymore and you realize this was the best place to get them

Why is /SST so bad?

HOW LONG IS TREN A DETECTABLE REEEEEEEEEEEEE ANSWER ME

>>40446159
whats so bad in sst?

You live in australia and have to pay 90 bucks for a vial or what?

>>40446211
depends entirely on their method of testing for it.

>>40446211
7-8 months

>>40446211
Cuck

Glut was an absolute bitch to pin today. Dont understand how bigger dudes manage to rotate and get good control.

Anyone here pin chest? Ive read some favorable reports and I rather pin chest than delts.

>>40446332
I have a hard time just staying turned around long enough to fully inject in vgs

how people do glutes is beyond me

>tfw shit mobility

>>40446347
Yea once it was all said and done I had no pain, but the process took like 15 more minutes at least than quads.

>>40446116
Disregard all common safety measures regarding weight used and ROM when doing db flyes and bench.

>>40446261
Canada

>>40446332
>>40446347
Do you guys have a mirror?
If you can touch your glute with your index knuckle you can pin with a mirror, no ztrack and no twisting, only your arm needs to go behind
I go left delt/thigh/ flute in a town then right side, pinning ed, if I feel its sore I go bi or calf, my chest always makes me cough, I think I'm just veiny around there

Fuck I thought the beetroot juice for pump thing was a momscience meme, how damn wrong I was. Why even blast wet compounds when I can get this shit for five bucks a gallon and look like a comic villain lol

>>40446261
Ausfag moving to england for a couple years, what are the prices like?

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>>40445760
>im retarded please rape my face

You simply stop when your shoulder tells you to, and nothing bad will happen.

Preventing the scapula from moving will make it easier to concentrate on the actual fucking muscle you are trying to train.

I wrote this entire post without breathing btw, mirin?

>>40444779
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that you're probably miss counting if you're still at a deficit and not dropping.

I'd give it a week or so then try a 1000 calorie deficit.

>>40445147
Would motor boat, idc if they're sweaty.

>>40446426
>bi
>tfw fatceps cause /comfy/ winter bulk

>>40446466
>idc if they're sweaty
call me a fiend, but that would be a bonus

I've been reading from a few BBs that a reduction in sodium during your cycle will help combat bloat without needing to take an AI. Obviously you still take it when gyno symps appear, but Ive been worried about crashing my e2 with Asin while trying to exclusively combat bloat. ANyone here run low sodium diets?

>>40446426
I used a mirror but the arm not holding the pin couldnt reach close enough to hold it while I pushed the plunger. I eventually had to run it behind my back which placed a lot of stress on the joint. Ill take note of this though and see if I can adjust.

Bi isnt too painful?

>>40446444
I use BeetElite and I cant even use the full dose, compared to when I used to use shitty run of the mill pre workouts that I would need to up the dose every week. Plus it takes less water to mix. Taste is kinda gross though.

>>40446444
Try a big glass half hour before gym and a can of Dr pepper cherry with a table spoon or 2 of instant coffee walking onto gym.
Truly the greatest pwo known to man

>>40446495
You only need the hand doing the pin my man, should be able to pin, aspirate and push the juice on with one hand

Sometimes it gives bad pip but 26 5/8 when lean doesn't usually

>>40446454
in england? Pretty cheap, not as cheap as america or europe but still.

35-45 pound for 10ml.

>>40446444
Never heard it before. I'll have to try it out.

>>40446494
I don't know mate. A lot of big tits get a weird smell, cause fat gets trapped on the underside.

Dive into a nice big pair of tits, and it smells like an armpit sometimes.

>>40446587
>fat
Sweat
Fug. I can't type.

How retarded is my friend for testing testp and trena for 5 days?

>>40446548
Alright alright Ill give it the ol college try on thursday.

>>40446494
My nigga. Gross but oh so raunchy.

>>40446495
I have yet to try BeetElite but even shit tier fifty cent a bottle juice from the local grocery store did the trick quite fucking well. Why is this stuff not illegal yet lmao

>>40446505
Trip on grandpa. I agree though, although I brew my coffee and add it 1:1 to the Dr., old however disgusting habit.

>>40446267
It's a urine test, same day as the competition

>>40446621
wat

>>40446636
>college
triggered

>>40446587
only natural tits. fake titties like the one in pic are spherical enough to leave little place for underboob sweat. not that I mind, I have weird kinks admittedly.

>>40446548
>ou only need the hand doing the pin my man, should be able to pin, aspirate and push the juice on with one hand
ya if you want the needle to jiggle all around inside you

>>40446660
He injected himself with mentioned steroids and stopped after five days.

>>40446456
So you purposely reduce ROM. Good job

You don't need to "feel" the goddamn muscle. If everything is in place there's no other way to move the weight

>>40446672
I could see that. I honestly need more fake tits in my life.

I should write a letter to Trump. They should pretty much be mandatory for any girl under a d. Make America Busty Again.

>>40445596
i did that for 5 days when i just started my fasting, dryed me right the fuck out. had to chug ass loads of water and was eating 10 grams of omega 3's to keep me walking, then droped it back down to 500mg daily.

>>40446715
>So you purposely reduce ROM. Good job
No, you go through the full ROM of the target muscle.

>You don't need to "feel" the goddamn muscle. If everything is in place there's no other way to move the weight

It helps you squeeze out more reps and improves control.

You can talk shit all you want but it fucking works better than not doing it that way.

>>40446708
Honestly not that bad.

Just enough to shut him down, nkt long enough where restarting is gonna be a bitch.

The short esters mean neat bloods for a few days

But the gains were probably minimal and altogether not worth

How bad will clen shakes be if I have essential tremor and I'll be drinking one or two energy drinks a day (easy source of taurine and I have a caffeine addiction)?

>>40446721
Fuck you fake tits are fucking awful and you're supporting that dumb shit

I like to grip slap and bite them titties and not some fucking shitty implant

how much of a difference is bulking on intermittent fasting?

>>40446759
Don't underestimate quality boobjobs. Though I agree natty boobs > fake

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>>40446505
>2 spoons of instant coffee
droped

its regular coffee faggot
>>40446733
just keep chuging water you need it for liver and kidney health and its bar none a need when you crash your estro.

>>40446759
I saw a gif of mia khalifa trying to shake her titties but they didn't move at all because they're fake and it made me sad

say no to fake tits

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>>40446738
That's why Klokov and Lu Xiaojun do them like that right?

They purposely limit the motion so they can 'feel' it?

Oh wait, no they fucking don't.

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>>40446791
Because a WL mobility routine is the same thing as BB hypertrophy training, somehow?

god hgh makes you wanna fucking sleep so bad even after you just woke up

>>40446821
this isn't normal

hgh isn't supposed to do all the things you're going through. it makes your sleep better, increases qol in general. your lethargy and carpal tunnel are not good signs

>>40446759
Idk, m8. I like natty tits too, but you can at least play with fake tits, you can't really play with a flat chest, except the nipple.

>>40446816
Why are you doing limited ROM weightlifting mobility exercises for hypertrophy then?

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How does rich piana have legal enhancers / scripts? Thought the FDA took a giant dump on doctors writing scripts for $$$.

>>40444779
what are you running your test at and are you on an ai?

>>40446758
crippling

>>40446423
There is two legit domestic canadian sources on sst, whats your problem?

>>40446423
>>40446261

In a couple of months i will be able to provide solutions to people living in countries with hard case customs

>>40446721
eh I prefer them natural, exceptions like pic above aside. just gave my two cents on sweat buildup lol

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>>40442209

>>40446466
>If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that you're probably miss counting if you're still at a deficit and not dropping.
>I'd give it a week or so then try a 1000 calorie deficit.
Maybe, but I could swear I wasn't. I eat the same thing almost every day, and it had me about 2.5 pounds down after the first two weeks. I'm still going to shake it up later this week (replacing half my rice with sweet potatoes) and see what happens.

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are there any bodybuilding irc/tox/chat channels? ive looked on netsplit.de and those are all idle. surely there is a chatroom for random fraud shitposting?

>>40446656
ANSWER ME!!!!

>>40446784
Post gif nonetheless :^)

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>be half nigger half german
>lift consistently for years and strong
>find out have pic related muscles
>mfw pinning will unlock my final form
literally who will be able to stop me?

>>40447258
a police officer

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who else /roidrage/ here?

>2 days ago the girl I've been taking to for a year blocks me on everything with no explanation
>last night I drive to her house at 3am and slash her tires
>here she's talking to a new guy, going out tonight to beat the living fuck out of him

Does anyone else know these feels?

>>40447258
what site is that from

>>40447290
23andjew
>>40447276
im a law abiding lightskin tho

>>40447289
stop roleplaying :)

>>40447301
JK, well all that you need to do to activate your legs is to work it out, so get to sprinting nigga.

>>40447301
ah ok thanks, thought so

My source ran out of asin so I need to switch to adex for a couple of months - thing is, I've been going asin so long I don't know how to properly dose adex or transition between the two.

Any advice? I'm taking 12.5mg asin e3d for reference

>>40447350
0.25mg adex eod

Fatloss is happening you cunts

You can now make out my obliques from the side

Permafatty status soon to be destroyed. Another month or two and I'll be cut. Another month or two after that and I'll be sub 9%

Mark my words fuckers, I'm gonna be a fucking beast

>>40447375
Is that a standard dose or just the equivalent efficacy of 12.5mg asin?

Have there been any new general developments in Steroids or performance drugs recently? Kinda curious if anything interesting is on the horizon.

>>40447390
post current pic

>>40447399
i'd say its inbetween 6.25 and 12.5mg.

if its not enough you really don't have much and either go to 0.5 or do some retarded inbetween.

im doing 500mg/week test e and 0.25mg eod hits the spot exactly.

>>40447401
Trest is about as new as you can get.

Was it not meant to be?

http://imgur.com/a/nplL2

>>40447429
No, I'm fat and disgusting.

I will in a month when I'm somewhat presentable. There will still be progress after that, so don't worry there'll still be a before and after

>>40447436
In 3 sentences or less, what is trest.

>>40447466
>17
I'm gonna guess it's a blend of tren and test.

>>40447443
The fuck is this shit

>>40447401
some rc, some peptides, nothing worth getting your panties in a bunch over imho

>>40447443
wat

would hatefuck tho

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>>40447466
>>40447478

hang yourself from the highest tree in the land nigger

> tfw just did second pin ever

i did right ventro glute. why do people say beginners should do glutes and not ventro glutes? it's a lot fucking easier to see what you are doing. when i pushed the 1" pin in, it hit resistance about halfway, then kinda "broke through". was that the pin entering the muscle?

is it normal to look forward to pinning?

> tfw riding them placebo effects for all they're worth

my lifts have increased and motivation is skyhigh. i'm not naive enough to believe it's from the test, but then again, if one is very low test to start with, perhaps there is some instant mild effect? eh. doesn't matter. results = results.

> tfw already thinking about next pin on friday

>>40447466
>>40447478
Trestolone

Originally developed as a form of male birth control, IIRC

Extremely low affinity for SHBG as both the androgen and estrogen. Expensive as fuck, and a bitch to manage. Supposedly great gains but to be honest I'd rather just up the test/deca.

What's a good cycle that's kind on hairloss but good on gains (and hopefully not expensive as shit). Is such a cycle possible?

>>40447183
REEEEEE

Due to still being tired/low libido after a bodybuilding competition last december I had my testosterone checked.

Its 7.6. Normal levels are 12-30. I am fucked right?

>>40447511
The resistance was probably a blood vessel.

Not a big deal. Even if you were to try to inject straight into it, the oil would likely push it out of the way, before anyone pisses their pants.

>>40447521
I'd say just good old Test E. Maybe a lower dosage like 300mg a week.

>>40447511
forgot to ask. should i buy accutane right fucking now just in case? i dont want it to put up with acne ever again in my life. i'm way too old.

>>40447521
Deca/test with var or anadrol (not 100% on the drol)

>>40447459
thats why i ask, i want the gruesome before-before lol

>>40447519
Going to the Doc to hopefully get some accutane (first blast, didn't manage my estro properly).

Should I admit to using or just deny deny deny?

> 12 week 500mg TestE cycles

when will this meme die?

>>40447545
wat about tbol

>>40447559
>needing anything more than test as long as you eat enough and lift hard enough to make gains

>>40447559
It's the SS of cycles

>>40447559
>meme
what did he mean by this?

>>40447543
How much are you injecting? beginner doses shouldn't give you that bad acne unless you don't use an ai.

Im on 500mg/week and just take care of my skin and use benzoylperoxide.

>>40447569
He thinks it's advice that is frequently regurgitated because of its simplicity, but other and better options are available.

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>>40447569
i mean every newfag natty looking to start a cycle wants to do 12wk of testE 500mg. Nothing wrong with the 500mg TestE part, it's just the toe-dipping 12 week part that shows lack of research.
> i was once that newfag

if you are planning a cycle, it's smarter to buy enough ai and test for 16-20weeks so you minimize your exposure to sources/mailings/deliveries etc.

>>40447554
Deny deny deny. There's no difference made to any vital systems that matters as far as prescriptions, but you're inviting the doc to be a holier than thou prick about things to admit use.

>>40447539
>>40447545
Test ups DHT though, but I know it's religion to run test with anything. Is a no-test cycle bunk or can it be done with something else?

>>40447554
And source ugl accutane. Doctors are fucking morons with the dosage and always nuke the fuck out of their patients

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>>40447609
500mg/wk as well. I just have the impression that elevating my test to levels i had in high school will result in the same acne issues. i never broke out, instead i would get one or two HORRIBLY PLACED zits. you know, like when you get perfectly symmetrical ones just above your lips, or huge red one smack in the center of your cheek on an otherwise flawless face. fucking just kill me..

keeping it clean never seemed to help prevent those singular zits..

>>40447687
Then don't fucking roid, or do a shitty deca only cycle. Be my guest. Fucking male hormones increase prevalence of baldness in those predisposed to it. Fucking deal.

You guys bitching about hairlines are all huge vaginas

>>40447690
I have insurance so a cycle of accutane is only about $60 a month (or so I'm told) compared to hundreds for ugl's. I've read 40mg is a sweetspot (or maybe it was 20mg, I can't remember), couldn't I just ignore the docs dosage and hit that?

>>40447718
> tfw sometimes you wish you were already bald/balding so you didnt have to worry about roids taking your hair

>>40447687
>Is a no-test cycle bunk
primo only, 400-600mg/wk

prepare your wallet when buying and feeble butthole and feelings when telling other frauds lel

>>40447725
20-25mg is enough for most, I myself even got mine in control with as little as 15 at one point. To compare, my doc prescribed 60mg and greenlighted eventual tapering to 85mg if symptoms persisted.

Like hunting small game with napalm jfc

>>40447054
I've contacted a couple, one is getting pretty bad reviews right now and another wanted me to wire money straight to China.

>>40447243
gfycat/QuarterlyUnacceptableKingbird

>>40447876
the point of the high dosage is to completely kill sebum production

the 20mg ed dose is basically preventative and doesn't solve the underlying issue so acne comes back once you get off

>>40447939
superb filename, sad gif. i mean i would still go nuts on it but that jiggle was beyond pathetic.

>>40447536
Anyone got some advice for me?

>>40447951
there are other ways to control excess sebum, but yeah the underlying principle is indeed sound. still, nuking myself with 85mg as suggested by doc (or even up to 100 as reported by some folks online) is fucking overkill.

>>40447951
I've been off for two months now and still enjoying clear, non oily skin.

2months at 20mg

>>40447055
I'm assuming thus includes aus, if so please keep us (me) posted.

Is clarence0 natty?

>>40448043
Someone post the pic

>>40447121
Your metabolism may be grinding to a halt. Possibly time for a cheat?... or extra cardio to boost metabolism?

>tfw read about beetelite upthread
>had a bit of it lying around from old roommate and took it before todays workout because why not

bloody hell i am literally half human half raw NO now, why did nobody tell me about this shit sooner

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>>40448043
>>40448052

>>40444935
Hi.

>>40447981
Eat loads of fat and cholesterol

Get sunlight

Workout hard

Inject steroids

>>40448238
Better get me on that client list if you're slinging again m8

Im about to run 50mg of adrol ed on top of 200mg test e a week. Should I start taking adex right away or hold off until high e2 sides?

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>>40448056
>expecting a fatty to not have cheat meals
lel
I eat a little extra every two or three days (not much, a cookie or a cupcake or something, I have a roommate who bakes regularly), and I have one or two days per week when I eat out to get some variety.
I don't really eat at or above maintenance, though, if that's what you mean. Maybe I'll just make one of those eating out days into a "high-calorie" day and see what happens.
As for cardio/conditioning, I do one day with an hour of LISS and one day of strongman stuff. I also do a bit of walking throughout the average day, so I'm not entirely sedentary outside of training.

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>>40448740
I cut pretty clean because it keeps me full then have a cheat (high calorie "dirty") meal and then go back to the clean. Might hold a bit more water but you don't notice unless sub ~12%.

Sorry to be a downer but it seems like you may not be counting right which I'm sure your tired of hearing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>40448740
>one day of strongman stuff
mah nigga

>>40448839
Yeah, that is how it seems. Weird. I'll have to take another look at my spreadsheet when I get home later.
>inb4 I fucked up a calculation in the sheet and those two pounds were just water

>>40448882
I just had a quick look back through the thread.
Are you taking any sort of stimulant i.e. EC or clen w/e? (over the counter bs fat burners don't count)

>>40448681
I did some more reasearch and the drol gyno comes from a different path way as it doesn't aromatize, so using ai to counter act that is pointless. Ill just wait and see if the test gives me any estro sides and take my ai then but i doubt it with such a low dose.

>>40446833
lol

maybe cuz i am injecting an entire overdosed (15 iu) vial eod

most fags "taper up" to even lower doses so they can handle the sides

i just yolod and jumped into it.

and how is lethargy + carpal tunnel not a good sign?

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On your first steroid cycle: did you notice any specific muscle group growing much larger than other groups (at a faster rate than anything else)?

>19
>12-13% bf
>1.5 years lifting
How much would a 4 week dbol only cycle do for me?

>>40448966
Delts/traps and to an extent chest. But I had made it a habit of raping both with volume even as a natty so it was only logical.

>>40448985
noticeable gains, massive titties

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Fucking USPS/CBP haven't updated my EMS package 5 days after it left Turkey enroute to the US. I blame Trump for them focusing on deporting sexy latinas instead of getting me my caber ASAP. Sad!

>>40447443
Ew Nat looking rough.

>>40448948
You have a disposable email? I want to ask you about those blacktops.

>>40449039
boiholethrowaway at tutanota com

>>40448985
enjoy being 5'5 for the rest of your life instead of being able to hope you will get a "growth spurt"

>>40449126
lmao I'm 6'3" I want gains not a growth spurt

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>>40449161
>I want gains
penetrate your ass

>>40449168
I still want to be able to claim natty and anything longer than about 8 weeks including PCT is completely out of the question for me (not going into details on my situation)

>>40449199

ok somehow taking steroids without a needle (which is retarded and you know this, so i am not gonna bother explaining something you already know) allows you to claim natty but delivering steroids with a needle makes you not able to claim natty?

>>40449222
I mean pretend to be natty to normies
well aware orals compromise natty status lmao

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>>40449238
>I mean pretend to be natty to normies

are you implying you want to look dyel on dbol to maintain your natty status?

>>40449238
how does what you are saying even make sense in your own head?

>>40449222
Even after an oral only cycle I don't think anyone is going to question anon natty status... unless he doesn't run an AI with dbol

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>>40449238
leave. you are retarded

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>>40449284
pic related

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>>40449238
>I mean pretend to be natty to normies

how do you even breath ?

350mg test made me into the ultimate fuckboy I love it

Who knew girls are more receptive when you're more direct cocky

>>40449389

Direct and cocky** baka

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>>40449389
tell me ALLLLLLLLL about it

every night lately i have been getting like literal urges to fucking beat the shit out of my face

like you know how if a bug flies in your face you just get an "urge" to hit it and like move away from the bug

i am getting literal urges to beat the shit out of my face

i only did it a few times but still

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>>40449420
Will HGH make the glands bigger?

>>40449389
>Who knew girls are more receptive when you're more direct cocky
...everyone, you idiot

women are fucking stupid, it is very easy to make them feel insecure and manipulate them for sex

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>>40449420
What were you going to run the GH at? I was thinking of 5iu ED for a couple months.

>>40449493
he posted in the last thread that it would improve the healing.

>>40449520
these black tops are supposedly 15iu per vial instead of 10, and currently i am just shooting an entire vial EoD.

So basically 7.5 IU a day if it's overdosed like all the previous batches, or 5 IU a day if it's not.

Don't see why it wouldn't be though, when many previous batches have lived up to the "black tops are overdosed" hype, confirmed with testing