What do women actually find attractive? How big is too big?

>>40373394
Every woman is different, senpai.
My ex liked otter mode, ex before that like guys with >20%bf and my current girl likes strength. Just do you and you'll find girls that go for whatever body type you got

>>40373394
Money.
Never lift for women.

>>40373394
Protip if you lift for women you will give up.
Always lift for yourself.

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>>40373394
>What do women actually find attractive?
Women are attracted to a man with high Sexual Market Value (SMV). Looks are only one part of the game. You need to calculate your looks, personality and amplifiers then divide and add them together.

If there is one thing that will get just about anyone laid, including some truly unattractive people with utterly repulsive personalities, it's status. People talk about celebrity or wealth but these are just tangible manifestations representing a more important but abstract idea: status. You don't need to be rich and famous, you just need to be notable within your microcosm of society to fuck any single girl in that microcosm.

The high school football jock who's a total Chad on campus is a complete nobody who wouldn't get arrested walking down the street in Manhattan. But he's the pinnacle of sexual market value (SMV) within his microcosm of society.

The article below is a decent read.

http://revolutionarylifestyledesign.com/calculate-maximize-sexual-market-value/

>How big is too big?

"We’ve got Brad Pitt in first place with 72.5% of women finding his body the MOST attractive and 86.7% of women being attracted to his body. In second place we’ve got the musician Henry Rollins (at his smallest) with 11.8% of women finding him the most attractive, and 41.8% of women attracted to his torso...In last place with 1% we have three time Mr. Olympia winner Frank Zane — famous for shifting the bodybuilding world away from mass and towards aesthetics. Evidently there’s still some shifting to do before he lines up with what women find aesthetically pleasing!"

http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-lifestyle/the-ideal-male-physique-%E2%80%94-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/

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>>40374650
>If there is one thing that will get just about anyone laid, including some truly unattractive people with utterly repulsive personalities, it's status

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>>40373684
>Money.
>Never lift for women.

>>40373684
This. It's resources i.e. Money etc, protection i.e. Physical stuff like height, frame, bone structure, strength, athleticism etc and status in society, all of which add to the main part of masculinity and how women are attracted to men: protecting them and providing for them. It's just nature.

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Sure women marry for status and money but aesthetics and strength will get you laid more than any other traits

>>40373394
great personality, positive drive in life, and a photogenic face

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Putting aside the meme responses like "money", "confidence", and "women don't know what they want" there have actually been studies done to demonstrate what body type women are most attracted to.

http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-lifestyle/the-ideal-male-physique-%E2%80%94-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/

Brad Pitt's physique from Fight Club consistently comes out on top. For reference, Pitt is 5'11, 155lbs extremely lean in that film.

Bear in mind that the most important physical feature a man can have is height. This has also been demonstrated through studies and not just /fit/ memes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22gtSCJd9jA

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>>40373394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVB3ypWVu14

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>>40373394
You literally can NEVER EVER be too big without roids.

After that it becomes personal preference, and some grills (not many) would say zyzz is too big.

Generally speaking as long as you maintain aesthetic proportions (delts wider than arms, etc), you arent too big.

>>40375500
This is bullshit pseudoscience. Women will literally sleep with homeless guys if they're attractive and confident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmav517MQJc

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>>40374650
Frank zane had garbage delt:arm ratio, desu.

But so did all the 60s-70s bodybuilders

>>40375540
>photogenic
no you sperg, it's a good looking face. being photogenic only helps before they see you irl.

>>40375571

They will sleep with, but not date

these are two mutually exclusive attraction zones for women

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There has been research done on this. The ideal male body is somwhere around "toned" and "built" (3rd and 4th picture to the right) but not "brawny"(most right picture). http://dfred.bol.ucla.edu/FrederickHaselton-2007-PSPB-MuscularityFitnessIndicator.pdf

>>40376334
....like i said. photogenic face. good looking irl is nice, but they need someone to brag about while spamming selfies with them. just like guys pick girls that make them look good, so do girls. girls are just more visual than usual

>>40375552
Or its bcs they know the nr 1 body is attached to brad pit whew lad

>>40376354
I know plenty of girls who date unemployed losers just because they're tall and handsome.

>>40376380
Well yeah but they could have picked Brad Pitt from Troy when he was more muscular but for some reason they prefered the leaner Fight Club version.

I honestly believe that the key to an attractive physique is just having low bf% without looking like Jack Skellington.

No matter how many studies demonstrate that women aren't into roidheads men continue to belive that muscles are the key to attracting women. Just have a bit of muscle and a low bf%. That's it.

Oh and don't be a manlet obviously...

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>>40375584

>>40374650

LOOKS MONEY STATUS BREH

MAXIMIZE THESE!

>>40376825
>implying his delt:arm ratio isn't objectively measurable

>>40373394
Like some of the other guys said. It's different for each girl.

Every gf I've had has had different preferences. One was (in a cute way) nagging me everyday about how she wanted me to get fat, because she liked bearmode guys. She wanted me to "be a big teddy bear".
Another liked really slim, pale guys with almost no muscle. She thought they looked "emotional" and "deep".
Another liked nerdy, kind of ugly guys, but who had lots of muscle.

And so on..

>>40377194
Did you look the same when you dated all three of them, or did you look like their ideal type.

If you looked the same, surely "their type" didn't really matter in the end?

>>40373394
This might surprise you, but there are over 3,000,000,000 women in the world and their taste can vary.

>>40375552
This study is so slanted. Brad Pitts stance, the lighting, the angle, everything's meant to persuade you he's attractive. Hell it's the only image where the guy's actually sweating/dirty I.e. doing something.

>>40378393
woah

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>>40378393
NO, THE ENTIRE GENDER IS SHIT, I'VE BEEN r/redpilled YOU FUCKING KEKOLD, /r9k/ TOLD ME NOT TO LISTEN TO CHADS LIKE YOU

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>>40374659
>exactly who i thought of

>>40378448
He is attractive. You don't need much persuading to realise that Brad Pitt is attractive.

Do you honestly believe that women find a bodybuilder physique attractive? It's been demonstrated time and time again that women aren't attracted to excessively muscular physiques.

>>40378393
Yes, we know that anon. There are women who fetishize huge muscles just like there are men who fetishize fatties or asian girls or whatever.

The aim here is to discern what is considered conventionally attractive (i.e. what appeals to MOST women)

>height, face, dick size

>>40378448
are you seriously saying he isn't attractive? you're delusional

>>40378498
dude your autism is so fucking cringe. spending so much effort to convince everyone that muscles are unattractive.

guess what, no one gives a shit about your shit studies or whatever they are.

>MUSCLES ARE GAY

uhm k bro? then why do i slay so much poon because of it?

>DYELS ARE MOST ATTRACTIVE; ANYTHING MORE THAN BRAD PITT IS DISGUSTING FOR WOMAN

thats why every single girl on tinder wants to fuck me for my body alone right?

aye lmao

>>40378568
calm down, you'll lose your virginity one day

>>40378498
>>40378553
Of course I'm not saying he isn't attractive. He clearly is. I'm saying I think in general more women are attracted to things like body language, confidence and character traits than body fat% or if a guy has a six pack. So I think he won by such a landslide because his body language/pose/general vibe is more sexual and attractive than the others and it has little to do with "girls like skinny guys with low body fat" like the articles trying to claim.

>>40375571
Oh fuck off, women dont want to date weak losers with no money because they know they'll have to deal with other dudes constantly challenging their selection.

You wonder why a lot of women like black guys and shit on asian guys? When a hot girl says she has a boyfriend
and you size up the boyfriend you're more likely to challenge the guy if weak/asian.


Basically it means, the bigger and stronger the mate a woman chooses the less likely people are willing to fuck with you.

>>40373394
Money and social status.

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>>40378568
Cool your autism dude. I'm not trying to convince anyone that muscles aren't attractive UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. You can be bigger than Brad in Fight Club and still slay.

I'm trying to establish what the optimal male physique for attracting women looks like.

>>40378599
Not this shit again...

>body language
>confidence
>character traits

None of that matters unless you're attractive.

>>40373441
yo. were you ottor mode, bulking, and then like 15% for all those girls? if so then they were probably just trying to say they liked you.

>>40378635
This is the dumbest pseudoscience I've ever read.

If that were true then the hottest women in the world would all be dating pro wrestlers and MMA fighters.

This is the fundemental problem with /fit/ you care more about being AMOGed by other guys than about actually attracting women.

>>40378635
Nigga you just went full retard

Despite the memes 10" is too big for a girl

>>40378665
you dont establish shit you faggot. Im a roiding like a retard and twice the size of all males in my gym, yet little 18 year old fragile girls are down to fuck the same night i message them.
you are fucking awkward, please just stop it cant be healthy for you.

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>>40373394
Women want a guy who is similar to their father,
>Dad's an asshole, they want an asshole
>Dad's a good guy, they want a good guy
>Dad is rich they want a rich guy
>Dad was in the military, they want a military guy

Then other factors like height, success, personality also come into play, but what a girl is specifically looking for depends on her father.

>>40378803
Of course anon. That's why you're browsing /fit/ on Valentine's Day.

No really, I believe you. After all, why would anyone lie on the internet? That never happens.

>>40373394
If you eat junk food every now and then and stay natty you'll never be "too big" now matter how big you get. Most guys that are described as such that arent on gear and are actually big either cut down to a low enough bf% it looks weird to most or they did a bro routine and look disproportionate.

>>40378807
What are you basing this on?

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion or are you just talking shit like most of the faggots here?

>>40373394
They want the adonis belt

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>>40378928
There are a few theories on why this is. I think the most obvious one is that children are raised in a certain environment, and they think of that environment as normal. Just as the male child who is beaten by his father will go on to beat his children, the daughter of that father will find a man similar because she sees that as normal behavior. Also she is comfortable with this type of man, because she loves her father and her father is an asshole.

>>40373394
anything over 8" is usually too big

>>40379043
I'm trying to date a girl whose father passed away when she was very little, do I have to commit sudoku?

>>40379043
Okay nice theory you have there but the question was: do you have any EVIDENCE?

>>40378819
ya faggot, just assume the person is lying as soon as you see something that you dont like.
Easy right? Makes life so comfy, just turn away from the cold heart truth and keep googling your gay ass studies faggot, and when someone confronts you about it

>l-lier

lmao thanks for the laugh you sad little drop

>>40374659
Trump is funny, positive and a tall guy, he's not "truly unattractive" or an repulsive personality, unless you're an SJW retard.

>>40379049
NOT :D

t.20,5cm

>>40378807
This is the only true post ITT.

>>40379150
Sorry anon, did I hurt your fee fees by not believing your little stories?

Keep telling lies on the internet. That'll boost your self esteem, loser.

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>>40379106
Nothing non anecdotal, there's probably some studies out there though

>>40379199
That's what I thought.

Come back when you have some proof. Until then, your theory is just broscience.

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>>40379208
>Come back when you have some proof
>browsing /fit/ for hard evidence
But seriously why are you so butthurt

>>40373394
>How big is too big
not anything you can get natty

>>40374659
Trump is decently handsome and charismatic. Chicks dig it

>>40379244
I'm not butthurt. I'm just not a retard who's going to believe anonymous posters on /fit/ without some evidence.

Even the height threads manage to post studies that demonstrate how height is an advantage in everyday life.

You come here spouting your retarded broscience theories as if you're some sort of expert on women but you can't provide a shred of evidence to support your assertions. You should write a PUA book. I'm sure there's enough suckers here that would buy it.

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>>40379293
Guess you haven't talked to many women huh

>>40379333
Now you're going to tell me meaningless anecdotes.

Your theory is as dumb as astrology. Probably dumber actually.

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>>40379371
burden of proof is on you to prove that my theory is meaningless

>>40373394
how has no one commented on how sad those tits are?

>>40379391
Damn... You got me there bro xD

Seriously though, don't reproduce.

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>>40379423
huh guess you can't

>>40373684
This.

When I got a new job making near six figures, suddenly women were all over me. I fucked my ex and I could feel the difference in how her pussy was suddenly squeezing down on my dick.

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>>40373394
>Thin
If your lifting for women your probably doing it wrong. You must select 1 and literally only 1.
>Alpha male
>Beta male

>Alpha male
You cannot "lift for women" but if you go down this road with enough discipline women would find you to be irresistible for sure. Typically larger and easily intimidates betas while recieving respect from fellow alphas. Definitely requires more of a self-determined attitude and is sometimes considered anti-social. A lot harder. Not for everyone.

>Beta Males
A beta male walks and flaunts like a woman would. Very effective and low maintenance with a guarenteed yield. Typically smaller, leaner and underwhelming physique makes it easier to fit in with fellow beta males. If you go down this road don't be a shit bag who still likes to have the chip on their shoulder and tries to fight larger people.

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>>40379423
Oh what's this?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/tech-support/201405/why-your-partner-may-be-your-parent

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070613071240.htm

oh no that sucks

>>40374659
2bh not too trumpy, but he seemed like a genuinely nice person from personal anecdotes and his personality previous to his election and campaign

he has been asked since the 80's if he wanted to run for president, and he consistently said up until recently that he didn't want to because you have to be a mean person to win

>>40379518
Did you even read what you linked?

>Women who enjoy good childhood relationships with their fathers are more likely to select partners who resemble their dads, research suggests. In contrast, the team of psychologists revealed that women who have negative or less positive relationships were not attracted to men who looked like their male parents.

So basically women may be attracted to men who LOOK like their fathers IF they had a good relationship with their fathers growing up.

Interesting but unfortunately it's hard to make use of this since when you first meet a girl you will have no clue what her father looks like or what sort of relationship she had with him.

>>40379496
Nobody takes the terms "alpha" and "beta" seriously outside of scientists who conducted a single study on the behavioural patterns of male wolves in captivity.

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>>40379574
Did you even read the first link?

>A body of psychological research reveals that our earliest relationships, especially with our mother, not only influence how we are able to connect to others as adults—in romantic and other contexts—but also create internalized scripts or working models of how relationships work.

>>40379634
That doesn't imply that women are attracted to men with similar personality traits or careers as their fathers.

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>>40379669
Can you not read?

A study by Glenn Geher suggests that we do tend to choose a romantic partner who is similar to our opposite-sex parent. In his research, he not only asked participants to self-report on how their romantic partners were like their opposite-sex parents across various categories—he actually interviewed the parents as well. The shared characteristics he discovered between his subjects' partners and their opposite-sex parents were robust, and not merely coincidental.

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On the whole they like a small amount of muscle and a low bodyfat %

Go by 1/2/3/4 or less and 12% bodyfat or less and you've nailed 99% of it

The rest comes down to dressing well, grooming well and social skills.

>>40379496
Where in your ideology does someone who has no desire to get big, but stills strives for achievement for the sake of achievement, and still achieves great feats fall?

>>40374650

>Having over $800k in a checking account a fucking Chase bank

>0.01% APY

Great use of that money

>>40374650
Shoo shoo will

>>40378495
that kids hands are too big

It's going to vary by person because not all women are the same. What's more important is being comfortable in your own skin, being perceptive of their needs, and being a good conversationalist.

>>40374659
>truly unattractive people with utterly repulsive personalities
come on man, Melania's not that bad

>>40374650

Girls will marry someone for social status, but they can cheat on him with an attractive dude, who even lives on his mother's basement.

I know from personal experience.

>>40375552
Thats my height and I AM close to that weight

Why am I single?

>>40379423
Don't think he needs to be told that desu

>>40373394
If you're natty you are probably not too big,

>>40376365
Couldn't find a smaller pic?

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>>40374659
Except Trump is funny and charming. He's not particularly bad looking either.
Better example would be the Secretary of the Treasury and his wife.

>>40379199
shut the fuck up you idiot NEET

>>40381566

So what? The point was to attract women within your small little bubble not hold them there. Besides, if they cheat on you, then just kick their dumb asses to the curb and find some new tail.

SO MUCH virginal, hopeful, wishful thinking in this thread

Lets make something clear. PICTURES AND REAL LIFE ARE NOT THE SAME. In these picture studies women consistently rank highly muscular physiques as unattractive. But thats not what happens IRL. Do you want to know why?

Because SIZE. Women love feeling smaller than a man, as it makes her feel safe. It also makes the guy have an aura of dominance. You ever see a cute small girl and get a boner knowing you could fuck the shit out of her? Its similar but the opposite.

Big size and 10-12 bf % is the ideal look for men in real life attraction. There are of course outliers, but most women will get horny around a lean muscular man. Add height and a handsome face and you will be a god

>>40378702
No. I was otter mode while with the girl who liked chub. She was always trying to discourage me from working out and trying to make me eat garbage.
Overweight while with the girl who liked otter mode. This one just always let it slip how I was "so much hotter with my old body".
Now I'm doing strength training and by happy coincidence my gf does it too. It's how we met. She's supportive and is always on my arm, whether summer cut or winter bulk. I think this one might stick.

>>40379728
who are u i always see u post from time to time and always that picture, are u aussie? spooked

>>40378448
/fit/ is too retarded to understand social engineering anon. Just sit back and laugh at these virgins.

>>40379090
You have a clean slate.

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>>40374650
I am trying real hard to not become bitter redpill faggot, but its fucking hard while reading these things.

>>40375528
Wrong, is the other way around.

Handsome rich man > bad looking rich man > handsome poor/middle class man > bad looking porr/middle class man

>>40387438
What's there to be bitter about?

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>>40373394

Forget her.... just sell me that freaking 70's Fender.

Olympic white with a maple neck....

>fully.......

>>40386150
Very true, people underestimate the importance of this