Pullups vs. Chinups

Chinups > pullups. That's all you need to know.

>>40364157
explain?

Youre a manlet brah

>>40364162
>explain
The triangle looking symbol means greater than.
He is saying that chin ups are greater than pullups

>>40364143
Pullups works the lats and chinups work the biceps

>vs

They're both good and similar. Talking about vs is retarded.

>>40364182
both work lats equally

I took 10 students to do 40 chinups a day for 1 year and another group of 10 students doing pullups the same way

>>40364225
And?

>>40364225
I don't know, it's 7th month now, but I can let you know then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs

sorry, >>40364309 was for you >>40364295

>>40364143
Pullups are generally harder to do, so anyone you see favouring chinups tend to be shit at pullups and use that as an excuse to do chinups instead.

Most top military forces all use pullups.

>>40364225
>>40364309
What the fuck are you mumbling about?

>>40364143
Both work the lats equally, it's the secondary muscles that are different. Ideally you'd do wide grip and neutral grip pullups alongside your standard chinups. That being said, I prefer neutral grip pullups myself

>>40364383
I'll translate for any illiterate persons here.

He has 20 students.

One group of 10 are doing 40 pullups a day for one year.

The other group of 10 are doing 40 chinups a day for one year.

He's in his 7 month of testing, but will let the anon know when complete.

>pullup: normal exercise almost everyone knows, a staple like pushups. a completely normal exercise almost everyone does. tons of videos of healthy normal adults doing this move

>chinups: no one but ss+gomad internet autists have even heard of this have you ever seen a non fedora do this? didnt think so. its just for people who think marky rips physique is peak performance

>>40364176
>triangle symbol
>literally has a single angle


How retarded can you get, at least call it an arrow

>>40364364
the only reason why pullups are harder is because your hand is in pronation.

extend your hand in front of you with bicep pointing to the ceiling and only twist your wrist so your hand is in pronation (palm facing down). notice how the bicep muscle is in eccentric position.

now only twist your wrist again so that the palm is facing up (supination) and you will see how your bicep gets shorter (concentric).

and because muscle is stronger when it's contracted or in concentric position, that's the reason why chinups are "easier" to do.

>>40364143
pullups=muhfunctional strength
Chinups=aesthetics

If course they both increase the other area as well...just not as much.

>>40364404
Then what the fuck is the point of the post?

for me are pull ups with narrow grip superior
did gslp for 1 year and my biceps and lats grew but not that much as now when i do pull ups
weighted ofc
wanna try wide grip pull ups too but they are somewhat tougher for me so i'll take it step by step

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>>40364424

>>40364424
>>40364516
It's a chevron you daft cunts.

>>40364559
Go shill your energy corp somewhere else fag

>>40364143
same shit, both work your back
people find chin ups easier, but that's mostly because their forearms suck ass
i find chin ups extremely uncomfortable, reason why i prefer pull ups

don't listen to >>40364157
stick to the one you like

>tfw pull ups hurt my babby wrists
what do

>>40364445
no shit nobody gives a shit about your "only reason why....", the lack of bicep means more back and shoulders which is what we want. the fact its harder proves its better for the body than the easier chin up. nobody wants huge biceps but everyone wants a ripped back and shoulders which is what pull ups give.

>>40364716
Farmers walks, reverse grip barbell curls.

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>>40364784
>that whole post

>>40364462
It's likely an experiment to see the difference between the two as far as muscle development and strength. Is it that hard for you to figure out?

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>>40364225
>>40364295
>>40364309
Be sure to report back with your findings.

>>40364839
you develop strength for that what you train so it's a pointless test

>>40364784
>nobody wants huge biceps but everyone wants a ripped back and shoulders
lmao tell that to the millions of curlbros

>>40364143
just do weighted chinups like rippletoe recommends, never gets easy which is the main complaint for chinups and is great for lats and bis

i find that my lats are the first to give out anyway so its definitely doesnt work them less than pullups

>>40364196
no

>>40365106
emg shows otherwise. the difference in muscle activation is <10% for most muscle groups.

I read somewhere that the wider grip you do on your pull up, the lower muscles on the back you will hit
Chin ups are easier to people because they work your shoulders and biceps along with back, while wide grip pull ups do your back a lot more.
>So why not do both?
I mean it won't hurt if you want better overall results

>>40364976
you probably just have weak ass lats

>>40365327
>So why not do both?
because chinups allow you to lift more weight and therefore get better results. doing pullups is only gimping yourself.

>but muh lats
there are far better lat isolations out there anyway. doing pullups for lats is like doing squats for calves

>>40364559
>chevron
Its not > IS LEFT ALLIGATOR MOUTH and < IS RIGHT ALIGATOR MOUTH

>>40365546
Wrong, they're meme indicators. All memes are automatically put into green when detected

>>40364143

You'd be surprised how little pullups target your lats and how much more they target your teres major and minor (those little bubbly muscles behind your armpit). Chinups have better lat activation.

>>40364143
Chinup ils the poor man's pullup

>>40364839
You already explained that. I'm asking what the point of the post was.

Stop being retarded on purpose

Just do pull ups you chumpski hump

>>40364143
Pull-ups > chin-ups because you're more likely to do a pull-up motion outside of the gym than a chin-up motion.

>>40364143
wide grip pull ups or bust, u stupid idiots

>>40365971
shut up you retarded retard

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>>40364143
Primary Chin Up Muscles:
>Biceps Brachii (Biceps)
>Latissimus Dorsi (Lats)
>Teres Major (Outer Back)

Secondary Chin Up Muscles:
>Rhomboid Major (Upper Back)
>Trapezius (Upper Back)

Auxiliary Chin Up Muscles:
>Pectoralis Major (Chest / Pecs)
>Pollicis Longus (Forearms)
>Digitorum Profundus / Superficialis
>Carpi Radialis Ulnaris (Forearms)

VS.

Primary Pull Up Muscles:
>Teres Major (Outer Back)
>Latissimus Dorsi (Lats)

Secondary Pull Up Muscles:
>Trapezius (Upper Back)
>Rhomboid Major (Upper Back)
>Biceps Brachialis (Biceps)

Auxiliary Pull Up Muscles:
>Pectoralis Major (Chest / Pecs)
>Brachioradialis (Forearms)
>Carpi Radialis Ulnaris (Forearms)
>Digitorum Profundus / Superficialis (Forearms)
>Pollicis Longus (Forearms)

Both work different muscle groups. One isn't particularly better than the other.

>>40364143
what vs? just do them both you idiot. You will never be in a position that you have to choose one or the other

>>40366043
brb grabbing the top of a wall with the back of my hands

>>40366007
>>40365270

>>40366007
dis

how can one even think its the same exercise

>>40364225
Do you know this, when girls 'pretend' to pull their hair into pony tails? My sister did this.

>>40366540
Can you?

weighted pullups for strength + bodyweight chinups for hypertrophy

>>40366679
kek, theres no fuckin way its him, he would NEVER be allowed near students

>>40364462
have you ever taken a science course and performed experiments? hell there was just a thread yesterday about /fit/ experiments, why the hell didnt you post you mong?>>40364225

I do pullups on back days and chinups on days I focus biceps. One isn't better than the other, it is always important to involve multiple exercises that focus similar muscle groups

>>40365380
>doing more exercises instead of less is gimping yourself
look i mean maybe one is better than the other but if you do both theres literally no chance for gimping, just the exact opposite right?

If you are not a pussy you would do weighted pull ups, chin ups, and parallel grip.

>>40364445
....yes. So pull ups are harder. We established that

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>>40366856
parallel grip is the one where your palms are facing eachother correct? and you would use a pulling bar like pic related?

>>40366902
1 finger pushups are also harder than normal pushups. does that make them better?

>>40366977
Yes palms face each other.
At my gym the chin up/pull up bar has a built in grip for it.

>>40367083
damn we just have separate types of bars in mine. thanks buddy i appreciate it.

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Bloody hell this whole thread is so autistic

>>40366778
didn't see that thread, I am here almost daily but always just for few minutes

>>40367562
whys that

>>40365343
>ass lats
what did he mean by this

>>40367562
I don't know, usually when I am at lunch waiting for my food to come and than at the evening which is now

>>40364143
It's more about grip with than pronated or supinated grip. I do chin ups with a slightly wider than shoulder width grip.

>>40367615
*then

>>40367150
this

I can't tell what the fuck is even going on here

good job lads

I do neutral grip because they feel the best to me and are supposedly easier on your joints (although they're also easier for me to do than forward or reverse grip anyways)

Neutral grip with gymnast rings that can rotate to accommodate your joints puts the least strain on your wrist and elbows but requires somewhat specialized equipment. I just use a pullup bar that I hang in a doorway

>>40368604
try to hang it in back alley, more adrenalin and more gains

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>>40365270
>the difference in muscle activation is <10% for most muscle groups
Even 1% is a significant difference over thousands of reps. You're smoking something.

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>>40368812
No, that's not how it works.

>>40364143
>>40368604
Image attached allows pronation when you're at the bottom, and supination when you're at the top.
They are also more stable than rings.
Best option in my opinion.

my homemade power rack isnt wide enough for pull ups so Ive been doing chin ups. pls help I want lats

Pull-ups have more of a focus on the back while chin-ups have more of a focus on the biceps.

Chin UPS can also give a little bit more of a pump to the serratus anterior whereas pull ups will require a more retracted scapula.


You will find high-volume chin-ups easier and less you have either previously done training that would contribute to more Pull-Ups (a program that heavily emphasized horizontal pulling).

You will likely experience a bottleneck on your pull up more than you will on your chin up, therefore you can expect to make quicker and greater gains by chinning up.

Part of it also comes down to your training philosophy as well. If you do chin-ups, then you may want to add in some horizontal pulls as accessory work.

With pull-ups horizontal accessory pull work is not as necessary

>>40369368
>Part of it also comes down to your training philosophy as well. If you do chin-ups, then you may want to add in some horizontal pulls as accessory work.
>With pull-ups horizontal accessory pull work is not as necessary
Bold claims, with not much to back them up.

Alright anons, to settle this, what hits traps hardest?

>>40370015
my dick
seriously tho, dumbell overhead raises

>>40364225
Does this have anything to do with weighing yourself underwater?

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>>40366679
>tfw being less of a newfag by the day

So what the fuck is better pull-ups or chin-ups? I put a pullup bar in my doorframe a week ago and have been alternating between the two. Chin ups are definitely the easier of the two.

>>40370256
Pull-ups for forearms, chin-ups for upper arms.
Assuming same grip width, both hit the lats equally.
Assuming wider grip for pull-ups, chin-ups have a larger range of motion for the lats.

Then there are some small differences.
Pull-ups hit the traps a bit more, chin-ups the rear delts a bit more.
Chin-ups also work the chest a bit.

Do both.

>>40370315

Thanks dude! I shall stick to doing both!

>>40364157
shitskin detected, always taking the easy way out

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>>40364225
>>40364309
what the fuck did I just read

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>>40366856
Shitty phrasing, but essentially.
Doing all three, and weighted and marked down in a way that you are slowly moving up weight over time is the best.
Just hit +45lbs for full reps and I feel like a badass.

I do two sets of each, for a total of six sets, five to six reps each. I've been pretty steadily moving up weight. Is this enough?

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>>40366679
>>40370479
oh god there's more

this thread is hilariously awful

>>40370119
How is this different to dumbbell overhead press

>>40370741
It's a different exercise.
Isn't limited by front delt strength, and doesn't use the triceps at all.
They use the lateral and front delts, but really hit the traps hard through a large range of motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt3DP1n8gXE

https://youtu.be/NDmJNX9JrLs?t=9m45s

>>40364143
why not pullups and chinups?
i do deadhang pullups a couple of sets then switch to chins for dat biceppump

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>>40365982
>>40365982
>>40365982
>>40365982
>>40365982
>>40365982
>>40365982

>>40364143
chinups are fucking stupid

you should only do pullups

i spent the last 2 weeks trying to do a pullup. and now i can do one.

>>40365380
>pullups are not god tier for lats

what the fuck am i reading?

>>40365380
>quarter squats allow you to lift more weight and therefore get better results

>>40364143
Chin ups are literally just bodyweight curls. There's as much back involved in a chin up as there is in a curl.

Pull ups hit your back, shoulders, and biceps after you break 90 degrees.

Chin ups are easier to do simply because you mainly use your biceps, and most people have stronger arms than a stronger back. Anyone who tells you chin ups are better is just a weak fag who has shit lats.

>>40364157
>>40364162
>>40364176
>>40364424

>>40364225
>>40364295
>>40364309

lmao at this thread

Do both if your serious. They both hit the back but in slightly different areas. Chin-ups will hit your biceps with back whereas pull-ups hit more of the back.

>>40372712
>Chin ups are literally just bodyweight curls. There's as much back involved in a chin up as there is in a curl.

You shitting me?

Hammer grip is superior you faggots

>>40366679
Not this shit again, I got pissed trying to decode that conversation

>>40364419
Everyone knows what a fucking chinup is. Hell, we did chinup in gradeschool and called them pullups.

I do chins so I don't have to curl

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>>40364784
> nobody wants huge biceps

>>40364176
>>40364424
>>40364559
>>40365546
>>40365593
>They don't know what comedy chevrons are

>>40373126
They're called meme arrows anon

>>40364143
There is something strange about this thread

>>40364143

muscle activation is almost the same. The reason chins seem so much easier is due to elbow orientation. Try doing pull ups with elbows sucked in so they form a 90 degree angle with your torso and your pullups will be about as easy as your chins.

Don't know wich is better but I'll tell you this.
Make sure you do both because otherwise you'll have a shit time when you switch.
Been doing pull ups for over a year and now have to do chin ups.
The strenght is there and its easy but my body feels like its wrangling itself in that postition.

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>this whole thread

anyway here's some science saying it doesn't really matter

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>This thread
This shit is fucking insane. This board is getting better and better my the week.

>>40366043
actually i'm in the position where i can only do chin ups. I have a contracted right small finger. Pull ups are impossible for me to do

>>40373716
thank you for posting this

>>40364143
do either one instead of posting on /fit/

>>40368812
You are forgetting that you can on average lift much more weight with chins than you can with pullups and that weight really adds up over time which would make you much bigger and stronger in the end.

>>40366679
i was thinking the exact same thing. fucking hivemind, i really need to go out more.

One will protect you, the other will try to kill you. Choose carefully.

>>40364143
Chinups: more bicep work, inner back, some lats
Pullups: more backwork, more lats, less bicep

it's not that hard, m8

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>>40366679
god fucking damn it

>>40364143
Just do both on the same day.

>>40374905
>it's not that hard, m8
You're wrong though.

I struggle doing 10 chinups but i can do 15 pullups easy. I also do dips, DL and OHP mostly. My triceps are the same size as my biceps.

SOMEONE POST A LINK TO THAT SCIENCE EXPERIMENT THREAD NOW!

>>40364848
They could measure a 1 rep max bicep curl to see if there's difference in bicep gains between the two exercises (assuming that's all they do to exercise arms)

>>40367011
If you can do a 1 finger push up you are better than someone who only does a normal pushup

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>>40372712
>most people have stronger arms than a stronger back

>>40364143
they're both meme exercises used by dyel's to demonstrate "strength"

Is it more impressive for a fatty to do 3 pull ups, or a skinnyfag to do 20?

>>40376317
so you either have Arnold tier biceps or dyel tier triceps.

>>40364225
k keep me posted

>>40379008
get out of here BLH

>>40377373
fatty. chinups/pullups get harder relatively fast as you gain weight

>>40376317
Stop kipping on your pull ups then. Even if you only trained pull ups you should do more on chins and neutral grip.

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>>40364143
>Pull-ups are essential
Chin ups are ok if you are a subhuman who does not have access to proper white-man equipment.

>>40364225
the fuck its going on here? the more i try to make sense out of this, the more i get confuse.

>>40374693
You're welcome, if you want more of such infographics it's from Chris Beardsley from twitter.

>>40377373
The skinny kid doing 2 plate pull ups

>>40379743
I know my english isn't perfect but I thought it was clear enough, anyway some guy up there described it better than me

>>40364143
Wide grip weighted pullups with a 45lb plate attached to you with a dip belt.

Lat city.

>>40369438
Pull ups have a slightly more horizontal element to them if you have typical elbow position. This becomes apparent when you consider the higher rates of middle trapezius activation. (See >>40373716) the middle trapezius is used to stabilize a retracted scapula which correlates with a more horizontal pulling motion. People do pull ups with a lot of variation, but by and far it has a slightly more horizontal element to it due to grip and the subsequent elbow position.

It's almost like an incline press relative to an overhead press.

>>40380033
I think the increased middle trapezius activity in pull-ups is due to a higher emphasis on scapular rotation, compared to chin-ups.
I doubt that it's due to the slightly more retracted position of the scapulae.
But even if that were true, rows have the scapulae retract not only as stabilization, but also as part of moving the weight.
This, I think, is substantially different from pull-up or chin-ups.

It makes more sense to me that chin-ups have a better carry-over to underhand rows, while pull-ups have a better carry-over to overhand rows.

>>40379938
>only 45lb plate

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>>40379561
moar?

>>40366679
someone post the original meme, the whole underwater weighing one

>>40364143
Faggots with beanies and pocket chains do chins. That settles it, I think.

>>40365327
>I read somewhere that the wider grip you do on your pull up, the lower muscles on the back you will hit
You read a meme. Grip width only impacts your ROM. A wide grip confers no benefit.
>you need a wide grip to get a wide back, bro

>Chinups
Traps 70%
Biceps 25%
Forearms 5%

>Pullups
Traps 70%
Forearms 20%
Biceps 10%

https://www.t-nation.com/training/pull-ups-vs-chin-ups

>>40380221
My point is that a retracted scapula will have more in common with horizontal pulling in general.

The scapular retraction is caused by the change in body Leverage. Can you are pulling your body diagonally forward and approach to the bar whereas with chins it is more like you are pulling it higher towards the bar.

>>40380490

what about lats

>>40380574
Nah, that just depends on execution.
You can make either look more like a row.

>>40380607
see >>40370315

>>40380607
Pulled an all-nighter and still going; meant lats, not traps. The point is, both hit your back the same amount, when it comes to forearm/bicep activation PUs hit the forearm more and CUs hit biceps more.

>>40380648
Definitely agree with that. Most people tend to naturally do it just a bit more with pull-ups.

Lever pull-ups are the eventual progression with waist-pull-ups somewhere in between.

I don't think the pull up is hugely horizontal, just slightly more than the chin up (for the majority of people)

>>40364784
>the lack of bicep means more back and shoulders
No.

>the fact its harder proves its better for the body
No.

>everyone wants a ripped back and shoulders which is what pull ups give
No.

Tl,Dr: You are objectively wrong about everything you said you retarded faggotcunt.

>>40380691
Even if pull-ups indeed have slightly more carry-over to horizontal pulling, I don't think it would matter so much as to warrant these claims:
>If you do chin-ups, then you may want to add in some horizontal pulls as accessory work.
>With pull-ups horizontal accessory pull work is not as necessary

But maybe I'm just reading into it too much.

>>40380785
My caveat was "depending on your training philosophy"

What is an acceptable level of horizontal pull strength to a person, ya know.


Keep your premise vague enough and nobody can pin you ;)

>>40382530
Haha, okay, I can't deny that.

You cant do a chinup off the side of a cliff to save your life, that would be a pullup

pullup>chinup

>>40382646
>implying you are faced with cliff or death situations on a daily basis

False comparison bro

>>40382576
Asian lawyers are alright.

>>40364225
im the student who has to do pullups

>>40382704

Sounds like you don't have functional strength bro

>>40382704
Ok.

You can't chin-up over a fence/wall to escape the buttrape boogie man.

Pull-up>chin-up

But seriously, who the fuck doesn't just do both?

>>40364690
false, chin ups are just glorified curls