Let's talk about rows Is there any reason to do this exercise

pull ups are superior to rows

everyone cheats on their rows anyways

Pendlay rows actually help my bench

>>40260845
How so?

I replaced bench for weighted dips and I feel like pull-ups help me progress.

>pull up and face pull master race reporting in
rows are for faggots

You do them, just do them seated. Works on your muscle to pull back while lat makes you pull down

Better range of movement/selection with rows than deadlifts or pull ups, also ever so slightly different muscles

What about underhanded rows? I feel like I can feel my lower lats a lot more doing them, but I'm not sure if I'd be better off just doing them regular

>>40260897
I do them under handed as well. Get better blade pinch

full rom heavy db rows are king

>>40260860
Because pendlay rows is inverted bench press.

I like them as a complement to pull-ups, since I feel like I can do a slower and more controlled movement whith a lower weight and pauses. Doesn't interfere with my training and my pull-ups have increased pretty fast, but I don't know if it's the rows or not. Skip if you want but it won't hurt you to do them.

>>40260861
just do all three
Rows will also effect on your Erector Spinae, Gluteus, Hamstrings

>>40260823
You can never do enough back training.

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>>40260954
>>40260968
Good answer.

tfw my row/pullup/curl numbers are fucking crazy compared to my other results and my back has been always more defined than my chest

anyone else knows this feel?

>>40260998
I can row almost as much as I bench :/

>>40260998
Yes.

I think i gotta roll out my arms to fix my tendonitus and strengthen my delts to progress on chest.

I've been stalling on my pendlays for well over a month now, and I'm just short of lmao1pl8. Problem being I don't really feel it working.

What alternatives should I explore, dumbbell perhaps?

>>40261007
actually i can row much more than i bench

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>>40260998
>always been better at pushing exercises likes dips, ohp and bench press than pulling exercises
>back is still the best body part

I don't know how to feel about this.

>>40261007
You're supposed to be able to row more than you bench. Pressing is always harder than pulling, except if you focus on pressing too much.

>>40261018
Look man go for the simplest answer first. Just the harder. Add more sets (at least 3), with either higher weight and lower reps (down to 3) or lower weight and higher reps (up to 15).

And that's already assuming that your sleep, diet, hydration, and life stress is being properly managed

>>40260998
Hello my fellow flying squirrel

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>>40261022
>>40261039
... Fuck, yfw you must now rethink your entire routine

>>40260929
This. Especially after your lower back is already fatigued from deadlifts.

>>40261039
>You're supposed to be able to row more than you bench.
Depends on the type of row. A (good) 225x5 pendlay row is quite a bit more developed than a 225x5 bench.

Most people's pendlay form sucks shit though.

>>40260823
try doing them for 8-10 reps with underhand grip while doing a weight you can control, i GUARANTEE your back will explode

>>40260954
what are deadlifts?

>>40261085
I try to row slow and deep from elbow extension to touch just above/at navel. Is this good form?

>>40261111
>DEM QUADS.

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>>40260861
>face pulls

>>40260968
>You can never do enough back training.
best reply 2bh

Front lever rows are teh real shit mane

>>40261088
> volume training

>>40260939
yes and falling is an inverted jump. doesn't mean falling helps my jumping

If you do lots of bench press then to have 1:1 balance all you need is pendlay rows.

>>40261153
Enjoy your lmao 2pl8 bench pussy

>>40261122
>>40260968

wrong

overtraining is a thing and happens most with back because it's hard to feel the soreness there and it's used on pretty much every compound.

is there any reason to do rows if I do cleans, snatches and weighted pull ups?

>>40260823
i fucking hate normal rows can i do yates rows and pull ups instead?

>>40261264
just do seated cable rows and pull ups

>>40261264
Just do towel rows brah

>>40261285
what is a towel row brah?

>>40261305
https://youtu.be/5pYySU1vsJQ
Gotta confuse the muscles by rowing towels

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>>40260954
>>40260968
>>40260990
/thread

These brahs confirmed for making it.

>>40260835
this in everyway. Do chinups for a bicep/trap orientated pull and widegrip for the lats.

Rows are shit without roids. You either struggle to keep form with the amount of weight you can lift or you keep form and make shin gains because youre stronger than that. Also a strain on lower back and doesnt train your core like pullups

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>>40260835
>pull ups are superior to rows

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>>40261211
You aren't going to overtrain anything by going to the gym. Even 7 days a week wouldn't be enough.

>>40260897
Man theyre good as a highvolume low weight exercise but dont try and max it or your biceps will hate you

>>40261340
you're either retarded or roiding.

>>40261336
pull ups don't hit your traps

The only reason to do rows is for rhomboid health

>>40261356
i found the scrawny little bitch who thinks he's hot shit because he can pull his 120 pound body up and let it fall a few times LOL.

>>40261364
Chin ups do and its far easier to add a few lightweight yates rows and trap raises than fuck your lower back trying to do rows that no one does right.
Im sorry they are just a shit exercise the alternatives are far far better

>>40261356
You wont get a thick back from pullups/chinups. Only a wide back

>>40261373
Lmao you know that weight belt with the chain attached at every gym.

Thats not for bdsm in the bathroom weighted pullups exist faggot

>>40261381
Do you even pendlay row? Lmao.

>>40261305
>>40261285
>>40261318
i did pullups today using towel hanging on pullup bar and HOLY Fuck this shit burns your forearms and grip like crazy

double the gains

>>40261381
they really don't hit your traps all that much
you hit your traps better by overhead pressing than by doing chin ups

>>40261385
One armed rows mate.

Im not dissing all row variants but your standard row is a fucking shit exercise. Unnecessary strain on lower back and shoulders and all the parts it focuses can be subsituted with better exercises

Holy fuck there's an actual thread about lifting, discussing lifts, on my /fit. Catch a shooting star, boys.

I prefer heavy straight bar attachment cable rows. Mimics barbell action but I always feel the activation in my rhomboids more this way. Get a nice squeeze.

>>40260823
I only really do t-bar rows after i found pull up to much better, and more fun to do.

>>40261398
No pendlay rows are shit. One armed are safer and do the same thing aswell as getting a wider back with pullups.

Stay a bitter little goblin looking cunt with rounded shoulders faggot

>>40261420
Do you even pendlay row? You wont strain your lower back. Pendlay rows are the original barbell rows. But somehow roiding bodybuilders make bent over rows become the barbell rows.

>>40261425
ANOTHER example of a better exercise that focuses same thing. Pendlay rows are an outdated excise from an old as shit roidsforbreakfast bodybuilder

I love watching the guys who load up lmao4pl8 for bent rows, then stand at an 179 degree angle and do their 2 inch ROM.

>>40261443
pendlay rows seriously fucking suck tho yes theyre the original barbell row from the 50s roid junkies and their broscience.
Those cunts ate 250mg of test with every calorie no shit it worked

>>40261438
Safer because you do shitty ROM? Lmao

>>40261480
Shitty ROM on 1 arm rows? They are literally the number one exercise for building thick backs stay with your outdated shit exercise idiot. You arent making arguments just talking shit pendlay rows are an old outdate me me that needs to die.

I bet you neck 7 raw eggs in the morning because rocky did it

>>40260835
you do both

>>40261506
Bet youre lifting lightweight shit. You cant go real heavy with dumbells.

>>40261547
What? idk bout your gym but we have dumbells up to 120kg here. I seriously doubt you row 240kg

>>40261396
>scrawny little bitch STILL thinks he's hot shit because he can pull his 120 pound body up with a 5 pound weight attached to a belt

these whiny little manlets are just the cutest thing to laugh at. give it a rest, kid. you're embarrassing yourself.

Lads I have a dumb question. I really want to incorporate rows into my workout, but the uni gym doesn't have place to do rows. Do I just do them with the bench barbell?

>>40261637
Your uni gym doesn't have a floor?

I would very much like to see this floating gym of yours.

Pull-ups definitely don't allow you to completely ignore rows. They're both useful together, but I prefer seated cable rows. I get lower back when I do Romanian DL.

>>40261605
People really hate alternate opinions dont they.

Pendlay rows suck pullups and alternative rows are 100% better but hey keep calling everyone who actually talks sense a scrawny manlet and project your insecurities you little faggot.

Let me guess you started lifting 3 months ago and think you know everything because you watched a riptoe video.

>>40261674
this is all that im saying.

Dont misunderstand me im not hating on ROWS im hating on pendlay rows theyre stupid and the alternatives are better. One example, seated cable rows....

>>40261694
strong projection from the manlet detected. this explains why bitch boy thinks he's hot shit because of his little 5 pound weighted pull up LMAO.

seriously squirt, give it up. i get that you're desperate for my attention, but this is quickly getting pathetic.

>you will never be a 6'5, 245 pound, 12% body fat winner like me

let it go, frodo. it's not your fault.

>>40260823
What angle should my back be for bent over rows? Horizontal, or slightly up? Like, I used to do pendlay rows without letting the bar touch the ground.

>>40261807
Post body or else you're full of shit

>>40261807
post body with timestamp BIGMAN. Go link another scott fagman video aswell you looooooser

>>40261111
>row slow
> pendlay row
no

>>40261346
Try lifting heavy and say that shit again

>>40261153
Lol.

You clearly don't bench much

>>40260823

rows hit your rhomboids and rear delts more than either of your other back exercises. yes, you should do rows.

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>>40261856
>>40261892
imagine being so desperate for attention/approval from a total stranger on the internet that you keep badgering him about it.

sorry munchkin, but i'm not enabling your bad behavior. this is your final (you).

learn to deal with your impotent rage or huff some cyanide, midget retard. it's over. you're done.

>>40261039
Yeah, nah

Don't pretend this is some kind of established rule. You made this up

Anyone do dumbell pullovers. Are they shit tier. Should I replace with pull ups. I also do bent over rows

>>40261336
Jesus fucking christ, where do retards like you are bred? Chins and pullups both heavily utilize lats. Chins and pullups both utilize traps to move scaps. To stabilize yourself safely for barbell row you need to engage core.

>>40262054
woah woah woah man I was replying to the pendlay row guy.

Not talking about all rows chill ur shit

>>40262054
The problem with pendlays is that the weight your back can pull with always outdistance the weight your core and lower back can handle. Pendlay rows and bent rows are jut not ideal when theres so many better alternatives.

Traps: Yates rows, lateral raises, trap raises

Lats/biceps: pullups, chinups, lat pulldown

Then youve got seated rows, low seated rows and one armed rows all without putting strain on lower back and without the risk of shitty form.

My first post was written poorly but this is my argument here

>>40261346
maybe with aryan superhuman genetics

a normal person can easily overtrain

>>40262031
I gave them a good shot and felt them in my shoulders primarily. Dunno if I was doing them well or not.

Straight off the bat you need good lat and shoulder mobility.

>>40261590
He didn't reply, so it sounds like you were right.

>>40261121
Enjoy fucking up your shoulder when you bench.

>>40261847
>Like, I used to do pendlay rows without letting the bar touch the ground.
Then you weren't doing pendlay rows. Pendlay rows are defined by resting the weight on the ground each rep.

As for back angle, there's no right answer. It depends on your goals. If you angle 135°, you will hit lats more. If you angle 90°, you will hit rear delts and rhomboids more.

>>40261121
facepulls are the single best exercise for shoulder mobility in the gym.

No there will be no gains or visual changes but I went from a sprained rotator cuff every second week to being able to actually stick to a fucking program with face pulls.

That translates to gains to me

>>40260823
>doing just one or two lifts for the second biggest muscle group in the body

No wonder everyone here is dyel.

>>40262349
Lol wut face pulls are great volume exercises for the rear delts and traps. You will see hypertrophy if you apply yourself.

>>40262393
i even feel it in my mid delts. might just be because i always do them after military press though

>>40261153
>falling doesn't help

Well I got news for you son...

Plyometric training workouts include literally landing from a height. It supposedly strengthens your legs and helps with explosiveness.

>>40262393
Yeh well sure but i use them more for stability than gains.

Ive done my shoulder in to many times so thats probably why its just not worth it for me

>>40260823
do both

do a lot of chinups, pullups, and DB rows

for a big back

>>40262241
Yea I feel them more shoulder than back been doing them for couple months about time to change up anyway

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>>40261032
>tfw body stores most amount of fat on best body parts (legs, chest) and the least amount on the worst body part (back)

>>40261211
oh shut the fuck up you big fucking pussy

waah wahh overtraining

you lack the capacity to overtrain with your baby lifts and your baby mentality

there's only like one guy on this entire shitheap imageboard that actually overtrained, and he was a 300lb viking motherfucker deadlifting 700+ running a Sheiko template during a stressful period in his life

>>40260939

>Because pendlay rows is inverted bench press.


Nope. Seal Rows are the inverted bench press.

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>>40260823
Pic related are my favourite rows, left to right. So far i've only been to one gym with a bench tall enough (or more importantly, without an adjustment bar running through the middle) to do the first row there.

At the moment I'm doing strict one arm dumbell rows but I am doing to move on to doing them for reps as my working weight of 50kg is the heaviest db in the gym. Going to do T-bar for intensity for a few weeks and see how that goes.

I've never done working sets of bb rows, yates rows, pendlay rows ever come at me

Why are ppl trashing pendlay rows?

I used to hate them too. You know why? Because it took me several sessions to get my form proper

Ps any low back pain is because youre a weak pussy. Go train up your deadlift to 405 and come back when youre a man

>>40261917
I train 6 days a week. I have been doing 3x12 front squat with 120kg for 6 days with no fatigue accumulation. before that I had been doing 8 sets of 3 for 6 weeks working up to 150kg by the end. I also do bench press, rows and snatches every day. My brother does 4 hours a day of swimming plus gym. He has never overtrained, but some people on his team have. This only happened to them because their coaches made them do double training for missing practice due to illness. When you overtrain you feel like dying. You will be shaking and puking and you won't be able to sleep from the pain. Having a bit of soreness in your lower back is not overtraining.

>>40262019
Of fucking course he did, just like half of the other shit spewed on this board. Some people here are fucking morons

>>40260823
Rows are good, pullups are good. You don't really need to go that heavy on either.

>>40261371
This is a very very good reason to do them.

>>40262456
Nope, they actually hit your mid delts really hard and way harder than any press would.
>https://www.t-nation.com/training/inside-the-muscles-best-shoulders-and-trap-exercises

>>40261336
>shin gains
How do I get swole shins, lads?

>>40260823
Layman here coming from the homepage, that pic looks like a master way to fuck up your spine and get sent to the hospital for a surgery.

>>40263526
Lol kys

>>40261901
Then how?

is it okay to just use a rowing machine for upper back? what accessories could/should i also do

>>40263526
someone post the pic of a guy describing a squat with horror

>>40260998
flying squirrel mode is the best mode

>>40261917
>>40263280
Hahahaha casual lifters BTFO anyone who has pulled two a days knows how hard it is to over train.

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>>40261121
Facepull you say?

>>40261251
if you're serious about competitive oly lifting, then yes. you can never ever overtrain your back for competitive oly
if you're just lifting casually or for aesthetics then there is really is no need

>>40261807
>245 lbs
>6'5''
and you're calling HIM a manlet? jesus fucking christ have you ever even been in the same room as a barbell or other weight-training utensil?
have you ever even seen a picture of a muscle?

i don't think walking skeletons are allowed on /fit/ i'm gonna have to call the mods

>>40262012
>big
>frightfully insecure
pick one

>>40261650
check your gravitational privilege
my uni is in the ISS

Im doing a PPL with rack pulls on pull day and RDL/zerchers on leg day. Where would I work deadlifts in or should I even bother from a mass gaining perspective? I also do weighted hypers on either day depending on how I feel. Also do t-bar/Meadow rows, barbell rows suck dick.

>>40261547
>>40261590
BB row and DB row, come on.

>>40261039
>You're supposed to be able to row more than you bench.
Nope. Ideally you should be able to bench and row the same amount of weight. However, the bench press is a lot more stable exercise than bent-over rows - so rowing 90% of your bench comes out to being balanced. 80-100% is considered in the acceptable range (no more than a 10% disparity.)

>>40261346
>You aren't going to overtrain anything by going to the gym. Even 7 days a week wouldn't be enough.
You're a fucking retard. If there was no such thing as over-training then every natty could look like Arnold just by going to the gym 8 hours a day.

>>40260860
Pendlay row hits the upper back like no other and you can progress on it much faster than pull ups.

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Is this possible natty?

>>40263904
>what are roids
>"muh 8 hour arnold workouts"
explain guys like Yates

>>40261396
>Thats not for bdsm in the bathroom

>Being so new you don't even know that EVERY piece of gym equipment is designed to pull double duty as a sex toy. Why do you think that plate holes are the same diameter as the average cock?

>>40263928
>same diameter as average cock

The plate holes are way to small. Micropenis detected

>>40263925
And like all retards you have zero reading comprehension. Your post makes zero sense as a reply to my post.

I can't think of a reason to do them if you're already doing chins, cleans, and facepulls. I still do DB rows though, I love the lat feel

>>40263963
I never said I was average. I use >>40262930 pic #3 to jerk myself off.

>>40262370
I only do squats for legs (3x5 twice a week) and my legs are enormous. Point invalid

>>40263928
>Why do you think that plate holes are the same diameter as the average cock?

>average penis girth is 4.9''.
>olympic plates have 4.95'' holes.
well, that's convenient.

>>40260835
>being this dumb
>implying people aren't cheating on pullups

>>40264175
I've literally never once seen anyone keep a constant back angle during rows

>>40264318
I've also never seen someone with perfectly vertical bar path during squats. To be sure, rows are an exercise where it is very easy to cheat if you're doing them bent-over and with high weight, but they're supposed to be done with higher reps - anyone regularly pulling heavy triples of rows is an idiot.

>>40263645
oly style
pendlay are explosive

>>40261211
I'd like to see what your physique looks like?

>>40261346
Lol

>>40264545
>MRV is just an excuse.
>the body has endless potential to recover from exertion and rebuild tissue as long as you shove enough food in it - because the colon hasn't any limits on its function either.
You are a fucking idiot if you really think that.

>>40261346
tell me when you're ready to move on from the machines

>>40262719
Were you all county football in high school? Regional finals Rugby in college? Yeah bro so hardcore squatting lowbar in your mommy's basement. Overtraining isn't a thing for weak-willed faggots like you who don't know how to push themselves, I'm sure.

>>40264545
A small as shit 235 at 16% because I overtrained for a year and a half.

I have to force myself to take rest days. Force myself to leave the gym. If I could weight train for 20 hours a week I would. But keep spreading misinformation because you want to look like a baddie on the internet. Guess what tough guys, lifting doesn't make you intimidating. Being big does.

>>40264746
>Guess what tough guys, lifting doesn't make you intimidating. Being big does.
Nah, being alpha does. Being big helps a lot, of course. But then again, if your main goal in life is to be intimidating then you're a fucking 12 year old.

>>40264778
>>40264778
First off that's completely tangential to anything I said. Second off it's wrong. No one is intimidated by the twink lanklet in sig chi. Finally I agree with the last sentence, lrn2comprehend. If anything I try to make myself less intimidating.

>>40260835
It's fine to include some body english in your rows

>>40264824
>No one is intimidated by the twink lanklet in sig chi.
Most criminals I know that are widely feared aren't that big. The idea a lot of guys on here have is that lifting will make everyone piss their pants at their sight, which is ridiculous.
>that's completely tangential to anything I said
I know, from your post I just assumed you're someone who has that mentality. My mistake.

>>40264923
are criminals alpha though

T-bar rows grew my lats like crazy. Some people respond to them better than other but if you're not also doing pull ups in your routine you should probably kill yourself.

>>40261211
You sound like a loser, but maybe I'm just projecting..

>>40264937
By they the narrow definition of the term (someone unconcerned what others think, willing to impose their will on others etc.): yeah.

>>40264974
Him stating undeniable facts about the human body makes him sound like a loser, how exactly?

Which barbell row variation is the most lower back-friendly?
Pendlay vs bent over vs yates row? or something else maybe?

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>>40264974
we can't all be chad

>>40265267
No standing and few sitting rows are very lower back friendly (chest supported is least harsh on the back)- if by that you mean unlikely to aggravate an injury. If you mean "not causing pulled muscles in a healthy back" then I'd say doing your hyper-extensions to bring your erector into shape is the best course of action.

>>40260998
My chinup is way stronger than my bench. 225x5 including bodyweight, compared to 190x5 for the bench. My ohp is pretty okay though. 135x4, I guess it's just my chest that's shit.

Been doing pendlay but was considering getting a landmine and t bar. Should I order this shit from rogue?

>>40266096
I have the exact same numbers as you I'm pretty sure it's normal