>I need meat to get my protein

>eating 100 calories of watercress
>what is bioavailability

>>40241099
>eating 400g of cabbage to get 17.4g of protein
I want this meme to die

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>>40241115
Just eat broccoli if you're tired of watercress.

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>>40241099
>tfw eating 18 pounds of watercress a day to meet my proton requirements

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>>40241143
There are billions of possibilities without killing innocent animals.

>>40241153
just stop

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>>40241163
You don't have any better arguments than "just stop"? Oh silly meat eater...

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>>40241132
Yeah, nah

tfw protein supps
Winning

Meat tastes better

I also love murdering deer for my protein too.

>>40241175

that's 100% false you fucking retard.

4 0oz of black beans are not 120 calories/24g protein.

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>>40241177
And how many calories does it have? No wonder that America is a nation full of fat fucks when you allow to kill and eat as much animals as you want.

>>40241184
>tastes better
No, it doesn't. You have been fooled by the big corporations to like the taste of rotten dead animals.

>>40241191
whatever, meat eater

>>40241153
Yes, let's grow more crops to feed the masses, let the masses grow, destroy more natural ecosystems, destroy all of the habitat for the myriad species of plant, animal, whatever, and then we'll never have to kill a pig again (for the purpose of eating it). All the animals in heaven will be much happier that it wasn't humans that killed them directly, just humans killing them indirectly. In the end, when humanity has raped the world for space to grow more soy, because the human population didn't stop growing when we stopped eating animals, we can safely say that we didn't have to kill any more pigs to do it.

>>40241205
No it tastes way better. I do have vegetables too, I am allowed that as a meat eater.

You're being lied to by your vegan cult that meat tastes bad.

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>>40241214
It seems that red meat does not only give you cancer but as well lowers your IQ...

>>40241226
Meat is produced by torturing and killing animals that have been born and raised in slavery.

Can you give me a chart of amount protein per 100gr?

>>40241267
Exactly. Showing gr/cal is a misdirection, sho ws gr/gr.

>>40241214
That's retarded, you know cows and pigs need to eat too right? It would actually save a lot of land and resources to not keep breeding them for food.

>>40241239
And that tortured meat tastes delicious.

Also, the meats not fucking tortured. Do you know anything? Putting extreme stress on the animal or beef in this case would ruin the meat's delicious taste. Have you ever even talked or seen a farmer in your life?

If you were talking about pigs, maybe. But pigs are assholes and even then they still try and kill the pigs swiftly.

>>40241315
To add onto this, farmers do not like transporting cows because it sketches them out. Even to the slaughterhouse. You think they're going to fucking torture cows before they slice them up you bozo?

>>40241311
you can't grow crops for human consumption on the same land used for grazing animals you stupid fuck. That land would be nonviable for growing crops and we would have to deforest a shit ton more land

Thought about giving up meat.

Then you came along to shit post hours upon hours of the day.

T-bone steak tonight,bitch.

>>40241239
Explain to me how switching to veganism will do anything other than make you feel less bad. You realize that death isn't bad in and of itself? You realize that eating meat doesn't necessarily involve torture or anything inhumane? You clearly haven't thought about this outside of your emotional response to cute things dying, or maybe you're trying to justify an eating disorder, I can't tell. The only arguments you're able to make involve "animals getting tortured" memes, yet you can't even make a coherent argument to support your position on how death is bad, and how eating meat always involves torture. Maybe if you could come up with actual reasons why eating meat is completely unethical, instead of posting nutritional information to base arbitrary diet choices on, people would take you more seriously.

>>40241363
>Thought about giving up meat.

OP is obviously trolling but I really do wish one could make gains eating just plants as well as one does eating meat & whey. Would be a lot cheaper.

I wonder how vegans/vegetarians feel about meat grown in a lab

>>40241383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41IYWb_Mus

>>40241357
Vegans are retarded. No surprise there.

Also cows are treated like fucking royalty before they're murdered and eaten. People will literally build cattlebarns and even full enclosed barns for their birthing. They're given medicine to ensure they survive and people will break their backs to try and push up a cow if it's feeling sick and won't get up. Not to mention protection from predators and getting fed.

If cows weren't actually being raised and murdered, they would be alot closer to being extinct than you'd like to think.

Oh no the cow gets to rub against stuff, eat, and graze all day. Horrible life before it gets eaten

>>40241403
Go hunting or fishing, then, dipshit. Nowhere did I argue in favour of this. Nice strawman, though.

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>>40241099
How about you modify this graph to show grams of protein per grams of food, you freaking idiot?
Who's gonna eat a kilogram of cabbage? gtfo

>>40241405
>Oh no the cow gets to rub against stuff, eat, and graze all day.
KEK
E
K

How retarded do you have to be to believe this? A cow in an American slaughterhouse will never see real gras.

>>40241441
Cows aren't raised in a slaughterhouse you idiot.

>>40241430
>implying more than 0.01% of consumed meat was raised and caught with the consumer's own hands

>>40241205
>be called out on bullshit
>whatever, meat eater

>>40241458
They are.

>>40241468
What was false about this image?

Right, absolutely nothing.

Stay mad, meat eater.

>>40241441
>Europeons believe that slaughterhouses have the capability to raise and murder cows and are completely self sustained.

>>40241494
There's just 9g of protein in your stupid beans. Not fucking 24. I won't eat half a kilo o beans, when I can eat delicious steak

>>40241461
Still haven't seen a coherent argument that maintains that all meat eating is inherently unethical. You're arguing against agricultural practices, not eating meat. I can say the same for corn consumption, and its impact on the environment.

>DID YOU ACTUALLY HARVEST THAT CORN WILD??? YOU KNOW THAT THE FIELD IT WAS GROWN IN AS A MONOCULTURE DESTROYED RARE MIGRATORY BIRD HABITAT

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>>40241521
You have many other options.

>>40241536
Dude, you embarrassed yourself with your "facts" already. Gtfo

>>40241175
>having to google your retarded units to follow the conversation

>>40241541
>still no counter arguments

Meat eaters, BTFO!

>>40241099
what kind of weak steak are you eating.

Also leucine content in the protein source is the most important art when it comes to protein synthesis. Its shown that sources with low leucine content doesnt give a good response compared to sources high in leucine.
Layne norton have a bunch of studies on it. but its basically most meat, egg and dairy sources are high en leucine and plants are generally low.

>>40241536
these are correct, but 1 cup is 172g. Eating 50g of protons would mean eating over 0,5kg of dry beans. Cooked they probably would be like 1kg That would propel you to Mars and beyond.

>>40241475
Nope. Not at all. A cow would spend very little time at a slaughterhouse.

You're thinking of something else entirely. And those cows aren't eaten.

>>40241548
>oh no, it's everyone else's fault that my country uses the inferior metric system

>>40241549
>still no counter arguments
but I gave you one. It's not my fault you have no reading comprehension

>>40241536
>a cup of fucking beans

>>40241558
Yeah, just raped.

much better

>>40241175
4oz black beans have about 6g proteins

>>40241205
Wait I can get free steroids from beef. That's a no brainer!!

B E E F
E
E
F

>>40241575
Even assuming that's correct, you're still wrong, and that has nothing to do with your previous argument.

Goalposts have shifted

>>40241583
9, but that's still nowhere near what green man is claiming

>>40241555
>implying you eat ONLY beans

>>40241549
>listing nutritional information is an argument

You can't make a counter-argument against a post that is just incomplete data of plant nutrition. It's up to you to make the case for why it is preferable to meat, and you haven't. Why do you expect people to refute basic facts, and why do you think that this would constitute a counter-argument?

>>40241536
"BRRRRRAAAAAPPPPP"

>90 grams of protein in 12 oz steak that i will enjoy
Or
>18 pounds of cabbage for the same protein

>>40241191
>>40241583
Just google black beans protein you fucking idiots. 100g have 21g of protein. How fucking dumb are you?

>>40241606
i'm vegetarian myself but this thread is beyond retarded

>>40241205
>beans contain no chemicals

holy shit what the fuck are beans made out of?

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Don't mind me, just delivering my daily protein in a environmentally friendly way
#savetheplanet

>>40241616
I don't. So I'm supposed to eat 0,5kg of beans and 0,5kg of cabbage. Makes sense
Beans make sense for bodybuilders as an addendum, not the main dish. Of course you could balance it out to get your daily needs of protein just from vegetables, but it wouldn't' be convenient at all nor tasty nor fast, as the quantity would be massive.

>>40241629
no https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4284/2

>>40241632
you're probably supplementing B12, since you didn't lose ability to think reasonably yet

>>40241688
yes, you fucking idiot. What do you see when you google "black beans protein", you fucking moron? It literally says 21g of protein, dumbass.

>>40241688
Here, for you faggot

https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/4755?fgcd=&manu=&lfacet=&format=&count=&max=50&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=16016&ds=&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

>>40241709
>raw beans
vegetables really damaged your brain

>>40241700
Those numbers are probably both correct, based on a calculation of whatever sample each one was using. It's probably not possible to get the "true" average protein content.

>>40241725
Of course you are eating your beans raw, if you aren't a pussy. I bet you are cooking your oats too.

>>40241629
My fitness pal says 5g protein / 100g
Trust that a bit more than an anon with no source

>>40241726
cooked, ready to consumption, are just 9g per 100g. You're talking with utter moron

>>40241744
>cooking beans
Idiot

>>40241736
>My fitness pal
>carnivore app
>reliable source
Idiot

>>40241749
Uncooked beans are inedible though. Might as well eat popcorn kernals too

>veganism
>environmentalism

Thank you skeleton!

>>40241749
fuck off, green idiot. You're embarrassing yourself

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>>40241099
>per 100 calories
Is this the "gun death" of nutrition ?

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>>40241099
BREOTEIN POWER PRO, I EAT BROPTEIN POWER

110 CALORIES FOR 26G OF BROTEIN FROM ISOLATE BRO

And then I eat real food for fiber and vitamins.

>>40241099
Dubs speak truth.

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>tfw vegan for 6 years
>mfw watching retards fight over their diet insecurites

>>40241786
>>40241099
these numbers are obviously bullshit
https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2825/2

>>40241749
>literally poisoning yourself with uncooked beans
No wonder you are retarded

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>>40241099
>3000+ calories of cabbage

Enjoy eating 10+ lbs of cabbage daily, liquid shits and a fucking ulcer.

>>40241239
Good. Torture and murder makes meat taste better. It's like seasoning.

>>40241764
How is it a carnivorous app? It has far more non meat food sources on it that meat ones. Or is it tainted because they provided the actual numbers on things and it triggers you?

>>40241822
It uses fake numbers to encourage meat eaters to kill/rape more animals.

>>40241815
actually it doesn't. Adrenaline ruins the taste. That's why you want to kill them as fast as you can.

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>>40241857
>Rape
I swear she said yes

>>40241857
What fake numbers?
It literally uses the nutritional information companies provide.
Are you implying that even vege companies want you to eat meat?

>>40241877
https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2825/2

>>40241099
Great, so I only have to eat 6 heads of cabbage a day to reach my protein goal.

>>40241099
How about I eat wtf I want and I don't need to give no excuses to some vegetable eatin faggot?

Howzat?

>>40241239
Torture is delicious.

>>40241132
We have been through this, there is like 3g of protons in 100g of broccoli, so you would have to eat kilos upon kilos.

What's wrong with chicken and turkey?

>>40241099
>eating a field of watercress

I am not a cow.

>>40241099
I get 165g protein (more than enough for me at 66kg) on a vegetarian diet without drinking milk
Anyone that tells you you can't get good protein without it is full of shit (though you do have to be smart about your other sources of protein)

>>40241132
I never understand this fucking ideology

do you really think animals give a fuck? do they thank you if you dont eat them? Literally every other animal but humans are primitve species , why the fuck do people care if we eat them or not

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>>40245056
they're full of shit because they don't get enough fiber

>>40241115

What IS it?

>>40241132
>breaking news, meat has more fat than broccoli

>>40241099
stop posting this thread. The "veggies have enough protein" meme is dead. There are different kinds of proteins, and the volume at which you have to eat vegetables to even get the same dosage of protein is inefficient and expensive.

I love how all your graphics say "protein grams per 100 calories" instead of per 100 grams.

If we ate kilos and kilos of those vegetables to get the same protein we would otherwise get with meat, we would need massive crops to sustain that amount of consumption from the population. Those crops would actually hurt the environment (and the animals that live in them) more than what we hurt by having a few anymals contained and humanly slaughtering them.

>>40241394
how would you feel if some other species stopped eating humans but then started growing human muscle in labs because they can't get enough of the taste

>>40241099
>per 100 calories
lol

>>40241239
Torture is the second greatest thing after rape

>>40241635
Light waves mostly

Just fucking lol at meat eaters. You lads are are way the fuck off the spectrum

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>>40241099
come back when you can justify not eating honey you leftwing scum

>>40241536
>An entire cup of lentil.

Its been nice knowing you bros, I'm off to space. I'll leave behind half of my rectum in the explosion for you guys.

>>40241441
>eating shitty grainfed meat
>being an amerimongrel

lol get fucked

>>40245628

How is 1 cup of lentils too much for your body to handle?

>>40245663
This. I ate about half a pound of lentils last night and simply take nice healthy shits.

Yall need to get your shit together. LMAO

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>>40241153
>There are billions of possibilities without killing innocent animals.
IDGAF. I will eat them. They have organic compounds that give better gains. Sure, I can get enough protein from plants, but the protein from plants is only 99% as good as that obtained from animals. I'll take that extra 1%.

>>40241655
RETARD ALERT RETARD ALERT
If you think vegetables aren't more sustainable than meat products you are a literal RETARD

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Each morning I eat my protein paste. I make it myself, I mix oatmeal with plain greek yogurt and cottage cheese. I can now eat it without gagging. I have rewired my brain to enjoy it.

I WILL MAKE IT AND YOU WILL NOT

>>40241153
Does PETA or someone else pay you vegan shills?

>>40245908
No, their testosterone is so low they do it out of sheer mental illness

What are complete proteins ?

>>40245771
The draining of the aquifer and the use of fertiliser is killing water life in streams and killing of the native water dwelling creatures that live there.
This occurs in all types of farming be it animal or crop.

You think your saving the planet but you are just destroying a different ecosystem you don't care about.

Fish have feelings too!

>>40245976
Both raising livestock and produce have environmental impacts due to common and modern farming practices, true.

That does not change the fact that raising livestock is entirely more costly in terms of time, water use, land use, and fertilizer/pesticide use. This is taking into account the time it takes to raise an animal, feed an animal, produce the food for the animal, and harvest an animal. This is a simple fact and isn't hard to conceive.

People posting that "all foods destroy the environment in some way" and especially the fact that food needs to be transported (obviously) pisses me off
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>40246126
>That does not change the fact that raising livestock is entirely more costly in terms of time, water use, land use, and fertilizer/pesticide use. This is taking into account the time it takes to raise an animal, feed an animal, produce the food for the animal, and harvest an animal. This is a simple fact and isn't hard to conceive
Yes, but if we're talking in terms of caloric value (since that is the very metric these pictures use to justify the nutritional content), then it's very conceivable that the impact would be much worse. For that we've now multiplied the the fertilizer and aquifer use by a considerable degree, and have upped fuel usage to transport the several kilos of food it takes to meet the caloric and macronutrient needs of just one person.

>>40246301
Are you fucking retarded? You do not need meat to feed a person a well rounded diet. Fuck this persons charts, no one is eating 14 pounds of broccoli, we get it.

You would not need to produce more food to compensate for the "large amounts of calories" that meat provide. Fuck you could just eat fats. Produce on a whole is less resource intensive to produce and nothing will change this fact.

EATING VEGETABLES INSTEAD OF MEAT IS DEFINITIVELY BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

That doesn't make eating meat bad

>>40241099
LOOK AT THE FUCKING GRAMS. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF KALE' GOT MORE PROTEIN PER CALORIE IF I HAVE TO EAT 20KILOGRAMS OF IT TO MATCH 500GRAMS OF STEAK!!!!?!!!!

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>>40246060

Pic related

>>40241315
not that troll, but it happens to chickens too
I've seen some footage of it and it's pretty nasty

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>>40241205
Hell, I've been vegetarian for 6 months straight, and even I have to say you're complete bullshit.

This is the macronutrient breakdown of 4 ounces of chicken breast. Over 75% of calories from protein

>>40245160
Watercress kinda looks luke cilantro tbqh but unlike cilantro it doesn't taste like ass.

Pretty good, I'm talking to this chick who's from Thailand and she uses it a lot in her food.

>>40241153
>implying animals are innocent

Okay im somewhat interested in this beans and legumes thing. One of you vegans link me to some recipes so i can go make it myself.

Im interested enough to give it a try but not so interested that i will do my own work. Tbh i can always stick to eating meat for my peotein needs

>>40246522
Well rounded != functionally optimal. You can easily survive and function well enough, but you're going to be missing out on some important micronutrients without supplementing. And by normie standards, sure, go fucking nuts. That's how lots of people live today.

But the argument at hand is predicated on someone making such a diet optimal for sufficient nutrition and making gains, and what the implications are for a wider implementation of that type of diet.

>>40241175
Everyone runs from cholesterol likes it's a bad thing, your body needs it for testosterone you fucking mong

>>40241535
Hahahaha fuckin rekt

This guy gets it

Why not just drink protein shakes? Then pop a few multis to make up for the vitamin and mineral that vegetbales are so abundant in.

>>40241205
>>40241494
>calories from protein
I'll take your word for it, although I'm sure it varies between types of beans
>steak has mostly saturated fats
citation needed, IIRC nature doesn't produce saturated fats often, also
>implying fats are bad
please
>70% of calories from complex carbohydrates
that's not an advantage, that's a pretty big disadvantage, unless maybe you're diabetic or something, also
>implying fats are bad while implying carbs are good
come the fuck on
>helps discharge excess hormones
citation fucking needed, ah but
>contains excess hormones
true enough, a lot of companies these days inject hormones and excess antibiotics into their cattle and other animals to increase meat production
>lowers cholesterol
>high in fiber
true enough, vegetables are generally high in fiber, which helps keep cholesterol down
>If organic, contains no chemicals
I don't even know where to start with that one... "chemicals" is a rather unscientific term, because it refers to literally any chemical compound but casts them in a negative light, and organic food has its own problems that can pop up one at a time or in bunches such as bad sanitation, lower yields, smaller crops, expense, and even just not actually being organic
>keeps you regular
again, fine, fiber is good for you
>sustainably grown
every bean farmer grows sustainably? I doubt that; cows are more sustainable I would think, given they just need grass, water, and space, and they produce not just food but organic fertilizer, milk, leather, and all kinds of compounds that can extracted or made from their bones and organs
>depletion vs. adding nitrogen
really just the above argument, I'm willing to accept I'm wrong here but I'll need a citation
>cost and servings
depends what you consider a serving and where you buy and what kind you buy

>the whole thing
taking meat or even beef and narrowing it down to "steak" and then pitting it against a category as broad as "beans" is kind of disingenuous and unfair

now compare COMPLETE proteins, vegan sissy.

>>40241441
I think you're thinking of the overseas slaughterhouses that we're outsourcing to now
yes, that's something that happens, outsourcing fucking farming
could also be some other animal you're thinking of; chickens for example are often kept in pretty brutal conditions because they're small and they have shorter life cycles and it's just easy, the bigger the animal the harder it is to not just say "fuck it, you can stay outside"

>>40241590
steroids and estrogen
are you a bad enough dude to get jacked and get gyno at the same time?

>>40241099
but like how much of that bullshit do i have to eat to get 100 calories

>>40241635
Forces

>>40241635
Subatomic particles

>>40241635
just stuff, man
like we're all made of stuff man

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>>40241099
>>40241132
>100 calories of broccoli

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https://youtu.be/GB4flBxNpuc
https://youtu.be/YHBPpv01n-M

>>40241441
>living in the US
That's where you're wrong buddy.

>>40245593
By eating honey you are supporting matriarchalic dictatorships where women are forced to work 24/7 while men do nothing but fuck the queen.

>>40245138

Are you asking if animals mind being killed?

>>40247446
Don't bother, meat eaters' IQ is probably around 70 at best.

>>40246850

> nature doesn't produce saturated fats often

Is your fat mass liquid?

>>40246986
1 steak for dinner vs 3-4 meals of broccoli spaced out through the day. You could also juice the broccoli and store in the fridge.

>>40241099
Ask the Pagan God of Meaty Treat for a sign

>>40245593
Here you go:
http://www.petakids.com/food/honey/

>>40241099
Food just doesn't taste as good if no lifeform possessing a central nervous system has died for it.

>>40241099
>dat dere 2 lbs of cabbage post workout

>>40241239
>red meat gives you cancer and lowers your IQ
Damn, humans have only been cooking and eating red meat for the past million and a half years, and here I thought that was the reason we evolved into the most powerful and intelligent species in the world. Low and behold, I was wrong, the red meat was making us stupid.

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REMINDER YOU CAN NEVER WIN AN ARGUMENT AGAINST A VEGAN. THEY WILL JUST DEFAULT TO "MUH ANIMALS" IF YOU POINT OUT THEIR HEINOUSLY INACCURATE PSUEDOSCIENCE

HIDE VEGAN THREADS

IGNORE VEGAN THREADS

DO NOT REPLY TO VEGAN THREADS

>>40248779
> not doing HOCAD
> making it

pick one

>>40247498
>3-4 meals of broccoli per day
...or I could not spend my entire day eating broccoli, just to get the same amount of protein as a single steak.

>>40241099
>>40241132
>>40241205
>>40241239
>what is nutrient density?

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>>40241153
>innocent

>>40241099
I don't want vaginas all over my body

>>40241700

Mine says

8g protein and 110kcal per 100g.

Pretty shit.

Vegetarian for two years, vegan for one, I feel tired and sick of it and would go back to eat meat if it wasn't for muh animals.