How true or false is this?

It has a degree of truth to it. Go ahead and try for yourself. Kinda like how back and front squats hit different muscles too

>>40235239
Myth

>>40235193
It hits quads and hamstrings based on foot placement, but it really can't do anything for your ass and lower back because you are sitting down while you do it.

squats also hit core

>>40235239
They don't hit different muscles. The leverage point hits the same muscles in a different degree of intensity in relation to that point.

>>40235193

Leg press is good for when you're cutting and you need to do something for your lower body, but your spinal erectors are fucking fried from squats. But it's still only like a quarter squat in terms of what it hits.

>>40235193
Lets see I can

>Leg press 600 lbs
>Squat less then 300lbs

You be the judge.

>>40235390
Nah. You should be doing the same shit on a cut, switching from squatting to leg pressing on a cut is a perfect way to fuck up all your progress on squats and lose all your hamstring, gluteus and spinal erector gains.

>>40235409
Tons of Indians and Asians with chicken legs can leg press 1000 pounds

The leg press is a literal meme

I'm pretty tall and struggle with squats. Front squatting has changed my life.

>>40235193
squats are a meme. don't do them.

>>40235413
Do you want to get fit or do you want to impress fucking losers who have nothing going for them but their pitiful squat numbers and being one of the fucking dorks online who squeal SKWAT R UR A PUZZY!!.

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>mfw the level of mental gymnastics people go through to avoid squatting

Squats are one of the most universally useful exercises you can do. Unlike leg press, a squat with a barbell loads your entire skeleton and your body works as one unit the way it was designed to, in a natural fashion. Isolation exercises are almost meaningless for building strength that translates into real life.

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>>40235193
Who cares? The only part of your legs that matter are you calves.

Whenever people in the fitness world (including /fit/) make fun of people without legs they're only ever targeting their calves.

>a compound hits more muscles than an isolation exercise

HOW TRUE OR FALSE IS THIS?!

>>40235193
what if i leg press and Romanian dead-lift though?

>>40235193
well it's simply not true. squats are great but they are just an exercise and may not be as good for some as they are for others.

>>40235509
they literally suck dicks for me, i get pain in my hip starting at lmao 1pl8

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Squats are the theeee most overrated movement of all time

>>40235328
If you go real deep, it will hit ass as well.

>>40235413
>1000 lbs
Lmao. Youre exaggerating.

>>40235553
fucking thank you for posting this i knew squats were a meme for my body type and now I have reassurance of this

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>>40235478
>has never heard of the conjugate training system

Yeah dude, Dorian totally had chicken legs from not squatting, and no back either. Idiot. If you want to be a powerliftard then stick to your basic lifts but there is nothing magical about them for bodybuilding, in fact each of them has a superior alternative.

>>40235582
and yet people with "shit porportions" have world record totals and squats....

post body and Ill find someone with your measurements squatting double what you do.

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>>40235582
Lmao. You have no idea how hard Yates trained. And he still did barbell hack squats.

>>40235606
what you are saying is conflicting in so many ways, what are you trying to say?

>>40235582
Tall guys gotta make some small adjustments. I still squat, but I front squat. It perfected my form on my first rep doing one. Then I'll do some leg presses for good measure. I still bench, but adding in cable flies hit my chest in a way I never felt before. Look up routines for taller guys, they'll have these and a few other recommendations.

>>40235631
>routines for taller guys

Lol these are the people who don't squat

>>40235631
im just not gonna squat shit hurts my hip and doesnt seem worth the injury risk at this point, im just gonna leg press, romanain dead, leg curl, leg extension etc.

>>40235661
>hip hurts squatting
>hip doesn't hurt leg pressing

Calling bullshit

>>40235193

Total bullshit

Enjoy your fat legs and ass and never walking properly

>>40235577
been fat most of my life
>can leg press over 200 kgs but knee caps says kill me

>>40235645
No, I still do squat, I just front squat. If you don't think that squats, bench, and PHP are much more difficult depending on height and arm/femur length, then your an idiot.
> Work=force x distance

>>40235679
OHP*

>>40235661
Yes I also like replacing 1 exercise with 4

>>40235673
well its true i must have a muscular imbalance in my hip felxor or glutes or something until i figure it out and fix it im not going to squat

>>40235692
lol I don't like it but what am I supposed to do?

>>40235553
>bodybuilder
>trained purely for hypertrophy

Of course he's gonna prioritise isolation exercises.

>>40235553
He looks awful.

>>40235695
You have a muscular imbalance because you do stupid lifts that are giving you muscular imbalances. Stop all your meme isolations and try just squatting from the bar only again. You're just being impatient, and it's fucking with your ability.

Your leg pressing is literally overpowering the strength of your quads which is fucking with your ability to squat properly because your lower back hamstrings and gluteus are weak and underdeveloped.

>>40235661
>>40235673
Not to mention leg curls and leg extensions flexing the hip constantly

>>40235706
Squats

>>40235727
ight man ill try taking it back from the top again, what do you think of hip thrusts to try and correct my glute imbalance?

>>40235524
Same here. Except I can squat 3 plates.

Even if I do bodyweight squats it will still fuck up my hip.

Also what are the benefits to loading way more weight than you can squat on your shoulders? It seems once you feel comfortable with a certain weight, you can squat it.

>>40235193
>implying stronger quads don't carry over to deadlifts
>implying stronger quads don't carry over to physical activities outside of the gym


>b-but my hamstrings and glutes!
You work these out enough whilst fucking. Or even walking. Fuck off.

>>40235727
I only highbar squat and glute bridge (and deadlift on a different day) and no matter what happens my hip gets fucked up (different guy).

Squats are the only thing that hurts, and that's when I get near parallel. And I like atg so that's even worse.

Other things that don't hurt are

Leg curls
Bulgarian split squats
Split squats
Different variation on trap bar

It's literally only squats and random movements throughout the day. I've tried everything throughout the year and nothing stops the pain from coming once I start squatting.

>>40235193
legpress also carries over to physical activities outside of the gym, even though squat does it more
other things are true mostly, i guess.
>>40235421
how did it help? i just started doing them.

>>40235873
>You work these out enough whilst fucking. Or even walking. Fuck off.

yeah nah you have a hank hill ass

>>40235524

Same here, squats hurt the side of my hip. Maybe because one of my legs is slightly longer so my pelvis is a little tilted when I go A2G.

Do both.

>>40235553
>Doing what Dorian Yates does
Are you new to bodybuilding.com

>>40236212
if you want to look like mark rippletoe, train like mark rippletoe

if you want to look like dorian yates, train like dorian yates

its that fuckin simple lol

>>40235193
squats definitely cured my imbalances and stepped up my volleyball game, including more regular, higher jumps, more stable digs, heavier spikes because wtf it works core muscles.... worked for me, ymmv though.

>>40235577
I was a skinny fuck and started with 200kg+ leg press for reps.

>>40235631
taller guys often need a way wider stance than normal guys. And its difficult for them to learn the technique. But thats not an excuse to give up.

>>40235948
If you got long femurs then you need to lean more forward. Try to lift with oly shoes too and do low bar. try to aim for almost parallell at first then go deeper when your technique is better.
Dont go ass to grass. Youre lucky if you can get below parallell with long femurs.

>>40236436
this

for me getting to parallel feels low and uncomfortable as fuck. long femurs suck

>>40236440
You can hit parallell with long femurs, but you got to figure it out first. For me i had to lean forward and let the knees go a bit forward for me to get below parallell without flexing my lumbar spine. and Oly shoes helped a bit.

I have a short friend who i currently train and he got some really long femurs and short shins. So for him its going to take a long time to figure out how to hit parallell.

>>40235610
>and yet people with "shit porportions" have world record totals and squats....

So that means they're great for hypertrophy

ok

>>40236472
If you think strength progress have nothing to do with muscle mass progress then why dont you just stick with tricep kickbacks and sidelying clam with bands.

>>40236494
Please learn English

>>40235898
Try to avoid it for a while and incorporate some exercises that stretch the hip flexors

>>40236508
English isnt my mother tongue.

Both are fine in their own ways, but skateboard squats > both.

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>>40235193
Foot placement matters with leg press
Like all machines, it's best for isolation
Comparing squats and leg press is apples and oranges

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>>40235873

>>40235193
Anybody have the pic of that grill?

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>>40235461
fucking this
>muh low test
>muh girls don't care about legs

>>40236400
>if you want to look like mark rippletoe's trainees, train like mark rippletoe's trainees
>if you want to look like dorian yates, inject a bucket of illegal substances
fixed

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>the amount of excuses and delusion ITT
holy fuck
I thought new years resolutioners don't browse /fit/
do your heavy fucking squats you skeleton

only a handful of people on /fit/ are allowed to substitute them, and those people know what they're doing
you don't, you're an idiot, so it's best you do what everyone else does and what works

>>40235553
>says squats are bad for him because he's tall with long legs
>5'10"

True also some of the most violent injuries I have seen in gyms come from leg pressing

>>40235553
His entire routine minus calf raises target the same muscles as much as squats do in 3x5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2JPn6gbKM

Was Scoobs right all along?

>>40235409
>the easier workout will make me stronger
I don't follow your logic

>>40235193
Have you considered squatting and then doing leg press, leg extentions, hip thrusts, etc as an accessory?
Does everything have to be black and white?
Is leg day an unknown thing?

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>>40235193
How about bulgarian split squat vs squats?

>>40235461
Or when they do squat its a quarter squat nowhere near parallel

>>40235727
>your squats are too overpowered to squat properly

this is one of the most wrong statements i've ever seen on /fit/, you should be proud of yourself

>>40238111
Err what?

Having weak lower back and hamstrings in comparison to strong squads will fuck with your ability to squat the heavier the weight gets.

Leg pressing only further increases this imbalance.

>>40235577
>>1000 lbs
>Lmao. Youre exaggerating.

>>he hasn't been leg pressing 1000lbs since high school

it's literally baby weight.

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>always get massive lower back pain the day after squats
>have looked up videos on correct form, have had a PT look at my form and have had a gym regular who competes in bodybuilding comps look at my form
>all sources say I'm doing it right but I get incapacitating pain anyway
>do leg press so at least I'm working my legs still
I'm hoping it's just because I'm still fatasfatass so the extra fat is causing pressure where it normally wouldn't be, so that once I'm thinner I can actually do squats

>>40235193

I literally cant squat near depth without back destroying butt wink, despite improving lower body flexiability quite a bit.

Now I do weighted lunges as my primary leg movement

>>40235577


>t. Never been to a gym

Almost every gym session you see a guy spending 10 minutes loading up eleventybillion plates on the leg press.

They almost always have lelnolegs

>>40235193
Squats>>leg press
But you should do both if your past intermediate

>>40235328
A+ b8, friendo

>implying I am going anywhere near a legpress after seeing that dreaded gif

i just do both

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>>40236440
>Tfw I can rest on my Calves and hamstrings ATG with heels almost touching
I think I was born to squat

>>40238419
>how much are you squatting
>how are you squatting

>>40235193

>Squats build glutes meme

A body weight glute bridge has been shown to activate the glutes more

>>40238363
there's no such thing as x is too strong

your other muscle groups are just too weak

http://www.strongerbyscience.com/hamstrings-the-most-overrated-muscle-for-squat-2-0/

strong quads is checkbox #1 for a great squat, followed by strong glutes

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>>40238784
>how much
lamo1pl8
>how lifting
High bar, back squat

For further info, current height/weight is
196cm/6'5 and 170kg/375lbs

>>40238890
your knees probably hurt jerking off

get to a human weight and your pain will disappear probably

>>40235409
>What is an incline plane?

>>40238911
Basically what I said in
>>40238419
I suspect that the extra person of weight I'm carrying is causing an unusual amount of stress during that particular movement.

>>40235193
if you're lifting for strength squats are great.

if you want asthetics back squats are no good- they widen your hips and ass (for both sexes, but for males this is bad asthetics)

do front squats instead for asthetics as they work your quads more but you still get some benefits of strength from squatting

>>40235434
I want to get fit that's why I do squats

600 lb leg press is fucking pathetic btw

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>>40235486
>The only part of your legs that matter are you calves.
I beg to differ.

>>40238944
Can you do bodyweight squats or lightweight ones? Are you deadlifting to strengthen your back?

>>40238419
>what is a mobility problem?
>>40238944
>extra person of weight I'm carrying
surely youve seen fatasfatass powerlifters.
also how much do you weigh?

>>40239005
Yeah, no problem with bodyweight squats

I'm doing trap bar deadlifts instead of regular one because 1. For some reason I just can't get the regular ones to feel like a natural movement, even with light weight it feels awkward, 2. The extra wide grips on the trap bar actually feel a lot more comfortable to hold because I've got giant hands (currently I can TB dead about lamo2.5pl8 for reps)

>>40238967
Biggest myth on /fit/

your hip crease is genetic wide hips make your hip crease look smaller and make you look thiccer and manlier

More ass muscle is literally always aesthetic

>>40239044
it's more comfortable becuase it's an easier exercise that doesn't work your posterior chain

lower the weight and do conventional

>>40235409
and? your quads aren't doing plate math, they're feeling mechanical tension and they can't tell the difference

as a test of strength? yes, totally worthless

i squat 455, leg press 6 plates a side on some machines, and leg press 4 plates a side on others, there is little consistency from machine to machine

>>40235413
yeah i've never seen this, ever

i don't even see big guys doing more than 500-600 with a full rom

quarter reppers maybe, and fuck those guys they take all the plates

>>40235421
if you have long femurs you would probably benefit from more direct quad work (like leg press, ironically)

>>40235478
isolation exercises are so meaningless and useless when it comes to """"real strength""""" that every single successful powerlifter uses them

or did I have a minor stroke when I saw leg press, french press, and db flyes in a Sheiko template?

>>40235553
inb4 steroids argument
inb4 "squats produce hgh and test bro" argument

you opened a whole can of retard-worms there, prepare for a bunch of uneducated garbage from DYELs claiming they know better than Dorian fucking Yates

>>40235565
don't go deep at the expense of lower back rounding, or ow my back

>>40235590
or any decent PL training program really

>>40235679
it's not as simple as work, most of the struggle with squat/bench for a long limbed lifter is due to inferior leverages resulting in less torque generated at the joints

work only factors into rep challenges, not 1rm attempts (where fatigue is not a factor, you fail due to not being able to generate enough torque) that are over inside of 10 seconds even for the biggest grinders

>>40235673
different hip adduction demands

>>40236440
you just have shit flexibility

i bet my femurs are longer than you and i can squat low

>>40239029
Height/weight is
196cm/6'5 and 170kg/375lbs

Don't most powerlifters get that big in the process of training? I would think they also have a lot more muscle in their core to keep things together

>>40239067
Fair enough. I'll have to work on form more then. I must be doing it wrong because even only the bar feels awkward on regular deads.

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>>40235486
have fun with your low dimorphism

>>40235553
gayest fucking shorts

>>40239099
work on hamstring flexiblity
think about keeping back straight and really rounding your ass, your hips should fold like a chair. It's called a hip hinge

>>40239143
Will do, thanks for the advice m8

>>40235577
google pat robertson leg press

>>40235328
first of all it depends on your foot placement. second basicaly every legg exersis hits ass you can not not use your ass.

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Can I do squats on a machine? We don't have many freeweights so I have to use a smith machine for all my bench type shit. I just move it out of the way. Still relatively new to all this, but I've been doing leg press instead of squats.

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>do squats until your back/core is too tired
>do leg press after until your legs are worn out too

fuckin rocket science

>>40239045
i dont think its a myth. and it's not isolated to /fit

a lot of pro bodybuilders, Vince Gironda for one (legendary trainer and bodybuilder) didnt even have a squat rack in his gym

Neither is needed, just do deads

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>>40239045
ur right in the sense that it makes your waist look smaller when compared to your hips, but that's about it. you dont get the proper v taper for asthetics.

check ronnie coleman (800lb back squat) particularly the shot from the back. thats what youre talking about

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>>40239045
now look at frank zane, trained by Gironda
http://www.ironguru.com/frank-zane-training-at-vince-s-gym
"Vince didn't believe in barbell squats – only hacks, leg extensions and leg curls (he would have loved the Leg Blaster)."

see the difference?

>>40236524
Like what?

>>40238890
>High bar
well there you go

why are you squatting high bar? you're not using your back to support your spine, therefore your back is not being trained for supporting the weight you're trying to squat

start over, low bar, do it right and improve your back strength bit by bit
stronger back = less injury

>>40239713
>More ass muscle is literally always aesthetic

>>40237083

You can be short and have long femurs

>>40235679
Calling someone an idiot and using the wrong your. So you're weak and dumb, that's a real shame.