Should i masturbate before or after my daily workout? Will it

>>40169135
after. depending on how much before workout you do it you'll be tired

>>40169135
this wikihow is hilarious

>Ask your partner, “Is now a good time to watch pornography?”

>>40169135
Before. Masturbating to climax reduces peak testosterone for 2-3 hours afterwards, if you lift without masturbating before hand you have that test boost and are basically cheating.

I masturbate no more than once a week, a normally on sunday nights.

I enjoy putting all the sexual energy into working and working out during the week, and when it is at it's maximum, during the weekend, to make my pee pee get somewhere new

Considering getting a fleshlight. I have death grip syndrome pretty bad, should I go for it lads?

>>40169135

During your workout.

>>40169223
is wikihow for real

>>40169135
>Should i masturbate before or after my daily workout?
Either's fine as long as it's not directly before. If you get up then right then go work out save it for later
>Will it affect muh gains?
No
>Also does nofap make any difference to gains?
No
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation

>>40169353
Absolutely

>>40169135
1.Never ideally. It's not helping you with your gains and when done in excess it actually hurts them. Hurts every aspect of your life actually. Trust me.

2.Yes it does. Lot more focus drive and energy. Your test levels increase and stay elevated as long as you go without fapping. Your body becomes far more sensitive to your own naturally produced test and lowers estrogen production and the bodies ability to use estrogen.

If you go without that vice for one single year and aren't going on a heavy cut or overtraining then you'll see ridiculous fucking gains.

>>40170220
Fuck off nofap faggot

I used to fap right before and after every work out.

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>>40169353
>>40170157
are flashlights noticeably better than hand-fapping?

>>40170321
i mean fleshlights

>>40170321
If you have to see in the dark, yes

>>40170321
im also interested in this answer

>>40170273
Fuck off fapping shill.

>>40170109
This is almost fully accurate, but it does affect your gains in the sense that if you abstain for 7 days there's a sharp spike in testosterone, 147% normal levels i believe. The prime time is to spank it then, as you can ride the high back down to normal levels. If you abstain for 8 days, the levels go down to normal anyway.

>>40170545
To add to this, nofap is retarted in the sense past 7 days it has NO benefit besides placebo.

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>>40170545
>7 days of nofap

>Usual time to hit the gym is just as the schools end
>Its filled with a bunch of attractive under-18s
>most machines face the back of the treadmills
I can't risk getting a mega boner when the gym is full of 16 year old grills and I'm 25.

>>40170628
Do it for the gainz, my friend. Or tape it to your thigh.

>>40170321
They are much better but a hassle to use. Best is if you prop it between two pillows and hipthrust like youre actually fucking

>>40170545
Actually there is a second study that says that your testosterone will raise and stay raised as long as you abstain
And a further study that states that your body will begin to become more attuned to your own testosterone resulting in gains

>>40170696
Link? I'd love to read it.

>>40170683
I don't mean to brag but my dick is too big to not be noticed through my shorts if it's erect, looks like nofap ain't an option.

>>40170109
I hate this poster so fucking much

>>40170714
I feel ya my dude, mind over matter. Try suppressing a random erection from time to time, control your lust.

>>40170696
post the study

>>40169135
I really don't know why but when I lack motivation I masturbate before going to the gym and it helps me get motivated, anyone have an explanation for that?

Nofap doesn't make a noticeable difference other than a placebo effect.

That said, first thing in the morning, I chug my preworkout, go to the gym, and by the time I get home I have my full on pre-workout stimulant boner. Like these things are seriously massive and sensitive it's pretty much the best.

I get home, and just fucking jack that big dong and it feels amazing

Just make sure you wash your hands before you do it because the gym is a dirty dirty place.

Anyone else get pre-workout boners?

>>40170806
I get mid-workout boners from the exertion sometimes, but i tend to suppress it.

>>40170712
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/masturbation-downregulates-certain-androgenic-receptors-in-the-brain-and-upregulates-certain-estro.6998/

>>40170847
This guy is onto some good shit, As for the 7+ day abstinence there are counter-studies that say it decreases after 7 days. Now, if you're like me and don't get sexual urges very often, go crazy with nofap. If you have to constantly repel the urges then the once weekly might be ideal. This would probably be the most beneficial until the community can come to a consensus.

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>>40170545
>tfw lost on the 6th day

>>40170937
However, to counter >>40170847 's first study, i found the PDF which states that it does infact decrease on the 8th day.


http://www.zju.edu.cn/jzus/2003/0302/030219.pdf

>>40170822
I love my workout boners; They always give me a pick me up during heavy sets.

It's nice having a home gym because I can enjoy waving my boner around freely.

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>>40170984
Derp, i meant the second human study in the second link, a link for the lazy people:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

As we can see, this means that the 7+ day abstinence may not be entirely true. Ima repost this pic from /pol/ which i found wisdom in, call me a fag if you must but it has truth to it.

>>40171015
Dude i love how the wind tickles my testicles

>>40170695
>this are the people giving you advice

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>>40169761
I don't think so, I think it's "trolls trolling trolls" all over again.

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>>40170696
come on nigga

>>40171082
use this
>>40170984
>>40171027

>>40169135
Neither. Fap max once a week and never use porn again. Maximum test gains.

>>40171095
This guy knows his shit.

>>40171063
*teleports behind u*

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>>40171109

>>40171082
>>40171027
>>40170984
Actually every single study outright states that your testosterone remains elevated for as long as you don't masturbate.
It also states that your body remains highly sensitive to your own test and lowers your ability to produce and use estrogen.

Care to show me some legit studies that state otherwise or that it has no effect what so ever.
And please don't post the thing with the men who have ED. That has been debunked a billion times over.

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>>40171158
nigga did you even read the PDF? This is from the study YOU linked.

"After the peak on the 7th day, the level declined significantly on the eighth day"

As for the others, someone else can deal with those. I've done my fair share on this Siberian ice-fishing forum.

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>>40170321
That's a bad shoop who the fuck makes these.

>>40171202
Did you fucking read MY studies you fucking retard?
The fact that it dropped from that peak does not mean that it dropped to what it was before.
The first fucking study I posted outright states that testosterone remains elvated by a SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT as long as you don't jack off.
Are you fucking retarded?

>>40169353
Absolutely not.

Effects of not ejaculating for a while is mostly psychological but it doesn't mean they're worthless.

I experienced higher energy and focus in the gym while training having not ejaculated for a few days. I haven't done the NoFap thing because I don't think it's useful.

I think excessive masturbation can possibly hurt gains indirectly because of lower motivation and energy but it's more of a psychological issue and not endocrinological.

>>40171250
Oh shit, I went back and reread what you wrote and I realized that you didn't even follow the link.


My link states that college aged men who abstained from jacking off had significantly elevated test as long as they abstained.

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>>40171250
>you fucking retard
>fucking study
>Are you fucking retarded
Not him, but you're pretty rude, please try acting nicer thank.

>>40171250
"...where subjects didn't ejaculate for 3 weeks, is often cited as evidence that abstinence leads to increased testosterone. It doesn't. This sentence from the abstract is poorly worded and misleading: "although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence". In the full study, testosterone levels are the same in both groups. Examine the testosterone graph C on page 379. Notice testosterone levels at the start of the film (10-minute mark) were identical in both groups. End of story. The confusing language in the abstract refers to testosterone differences while masturbating. While watching the erotic film and masturbating, T-levels dropped for the pre-abstinence masturbation session. After 21 days of abstinence, T-levels stayed closer to the 10 minute baseline during masturbation. The statement - "higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence" - means that testosterone levels did not fall as much during the stimulus: masturbation & porn viewing. The authors suggest anticipation of watching a porno (perhaps augmented by the anticipation of finally masturbating) caused testosterone to remain elevated throughout the viewing."


Here's a link to the full study: http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/01_Endocrine_Response.pdf

also why you gotta be r00d? Someone finally challenging this copypasta? Nothing wrong with a bit of constructive debate.

>>40171344
>Someone finally challenging this copypasta?
Good job, you convinced all these people to fuck their hands and your days are over now lmao

I do it before so I'm not horny as fuck when i see my gym crush

>>40171438
lmao, I'm on the side of them going out and actually getting a gf to fuck, since that is beneficial to mental, emotional and test gains. Unless shes a gainz goblin, at which point you throw her the fuck out.

>>40170628

Nothing better than busting balls deep in some 16 year old fitness bunny's tight pink pussy. You should have gone for it.

>>40170732
I'm sorry actual science instead of pseudoscientific demonization of something normal and healthy hurts your feelings

>>40170321

If you actually fuck it, yes. If you're just using it to jerk off, then no.

>>40170628
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
Depending on where you live they might be legal

>>40171119
that >nani always gets me

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>>40169353
normal fapping is impossible for me now

>>40169353
They're pretty good

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I'm kinda interested in the butthole fleshlights, at least until I'm big enough to confidently talk to women.

a-are they any good /fit/?

My friend tried no fap once. He was noticeably more sexualy frustrated. Like this kid was mad and horny all the time. He said it was bullshit, but his game is shit so he couldn't get pussy.

>>40171868
He was trying the no fap meme.

>>40171344
So yeah, it's outright stating that abstinance does in fact increase your testosterone and your sensitivity to your own cues to release test.

http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/01_Endocrine_Response.pdf

They abstinence group absofucking LOUTLEY starts with higher base test. Look at the fucking graphs!

>>40171987
It states that the reason for the increased test is the anticipation of sex or orgasm, not because they abstained. Sure, it could be used to garner the excitement of orgasm, but if someone is very easily excited by the sight of a pussy they can have the exact same effect of someone who abstained for 3 weeks. The test gains are small as fuck, not to mention. You'd be way better off getting the 145.7% test increase weekly then abstaining and getting a small boost consistently.

>>40169135
>masturbating before working out
it's like you WANT to ruin your workout
actually
>masturbating anytime other than before bedtime
it's like you want to ruin your day

>>40172037
No faggot.
This is concrete proof.
They, unlike the group who didn't fucking abstain, started with an already high base of test and their test level AS YOU CAN SEE is elevated HIGHER then the group who didn't abstain.

You are fucking wrong and are DESPERATELY clinging to one fucking line. THE MIGHT BE MORE TURNED ON THEN THE OTHER GUYS SO THAT OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT THEIR TEST IS NORMAL AND THEY JUST WANT TO FUCK!

Yes friend. They're test is high so when they see something sexual their test peaks even higher then the non abstiance group and climbs higher then the nonabstinance group before dropping but not as fast as the nonabstinance group.

You're interpreting it in a way that makes no fucking sense.
Fucks sake you don't even fully understand that men's test fluctuates throughout the day and that mens test peaking or raising HIGHER when seeing certain stimuli is exactly what men want.

>>40172104
Calm down for a sec, it's bad form to bust ya lid in a debate.

The point im trying to convey is that it is substantially better to get the 145.7% Spike of test after a week than it is to abstain and get a SMALL boost of test consistently. That small boost is minimal and best and if you are looking to make gains using the increased test then the spike would be wayy better. Just noporn and fap in the shower weekly.

>>40172130
Not to forget that the reason why i went to all this effort was to get the truth behind, since you nofap people tend to perpetuate the idea that it'll make you a test god, when in reality it gives a small boost.

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>>40172130
No that's fucking shit.
The constantly raised test from abstaining ON TOP of how the body begins to change once masturbation is off the table is the real deal.

Simply jacking off once a week for a single short term boost that won't even last 24 hours on top of losing the benefits from longterm masturbation is pointless.

>>40172317
Idiot.
And an invader zim pic? The fuck?

>>40172349
Unless you abstain for years, the amount of test is minimal a best (Assuming the test is compounding, which we have no proof of yet) It would be way better for someone who is in the prime of their life, building muscle to obtain that test NOW, as opposed to several years down the track.

>>40169135
if i fap on gym day, i edge for a bit before, hit the gym and come back really horny, then jack it off.

feels like masturbating but not cumming before gives me a test boost, i just feel so much hornier and aggresive, whereas coming leaves you relaxed.

>>40172374
If the test isn't compounding, which is a very likely circumstance, The advantages of abstaining becomes way less beneficial compared to a boost of testosterone to help pack on muscle mass.

>>40172094
I always fap before...like a few hours before

And only once a week

Wouldn't the ideal time to fap be right before bed, because it'll help with muscle recovery?

>>40170321
It feels really good.

2 problems, though. Prep and cleaning. You need to warm it up because when it's hot and wet it feels fucking great. Also you need lube, it's too sticky to not use it.

Cleaning sucks. Semen sticks to everything, especially warm, moist silicon. You need to turn it inside out and wipe it dry to really clean it, otherwise it acquires a rancid smell.

>>40172374
The amount of test is compounding because that's kind of how it fucking works.

Lastly, the boost is nothing compared to simply not jacking off.

Also, that kind of logic is what leads people into believing that taking ball destroying manhood ending amounts of gear and "cruising" is a good idea.

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>>40172508
>warm it up
>wet it
won't fucking it with lots of lube in a hot shower do the job?

>>40172573
>The amount of test is compounding because that's kind of how it fucking works.
Except that's not how it works at all because when you don't use your duck for a while it stops on you and is exactly why idoits who fall for the no fap meme retardedly complain about flatlining in every no fap thread. Your testosterone production doesn't compound or go somewhere else, it stops You either use or you loose it

>>40172946
This man is correct.

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>>40169135
Always after for me. I build up huge testosterone after.

>>40172633
life hacks

>>40171501
There was a guy I went to college with that got busted for sleeping with 14-17 year olds. He went on misc and /fit/.
Did they let you out early for good behavior?

>>40172946
>Except that's not how it works at all because when you don't use your duck for a while it stops on you and is exactly why idoits who fall for the no fap meme retardedly complain about flatlining in every no fap thread. Your testosterone production doesn't compound or go somewhere else, it stops You either use or you loose it

That is without the dumbest fucking thing I've ever fucking read ever.
There is no fucking thing in your entire body or in human genetics that says "if you don't jack off a lot your dick will cease to function" you scare mongering porn shilling fap addicted retard.

>>40174444
You don't lost test when you masterbate. It also doesn't compound. You fell for the meme. You fell for it hard.

>>40174444
Please provide evidence to disprove.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation

>>40174454
Your test does drop, we have concrete proof.
The compund thing, I'm saying the body slowly gets used to the higher levels of test and higher peaks of test that happens throughout the day.

>>40174469
You should REALLY link to the actual prostate study. And while you're at it, you should fucking read it.

It sort of hints at masturbation ONCE A MONTH MIGHT help with prostate health but they honestly don't fucking know. THEY GUESS.
Actual sex does help and even boosts test. Jacking off? The opposite.

But we do know that excessive masturbation HARMS the prostate you fucking retard. It causes inflamation!

Loss of nutrients? Has almost fucking nothing to do with what we are discussing. You just tossed that shit in there for some reason.

>>40174554
>Your test does drop, we have concrete proof.
Link please.

>>40174554
>But we do know that excessive masturbation HARMS the prostate you fucking retard. It causes inflamation!
Link please

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>>40174566
To tell you the truth, I've not been able to find anyone who talks about lowered test.

But there are dozens of articles saying that not jacking off increases test for as long as you abstain, that fucking boosts test, and that masturbation lowers test, your ability to utilize test and increases your estrogen sensitivity.

>>40174574
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19435656

>>40174554
>Your test does drop, we have concrete proof.
It doesn't and you don't
>You should REALLY link to the actual prostate study.
I did. I linke THE definitive prostate study out now with a ten year follow up.
>And while you're at it, you should fucking read it.
I also did. You're the one who needs to read it if you're really going to continue down this line of argumentation
>It sort of hints at masturbation ONCE A MONTH MIGHT help with prostate health but they honestly don't fucking know.
Except they do
>THEY GUESS.
They demonsratably didn't.
>Actual sex does help and even boosts test. Jacking off? The opposite.
>Not reading
>But we do know that excessive masturbation HARMS the prostate you fucking retard. It causes inflamation!
>Not reading again
>Loss of nutrients? Has almost fucking nothing to do with what we are discussing. You just tossed that shit in there for some reason.
That's always in the greentext I post for when the claim comes up that fapping saps you of vital nutrients when it does no such thing. Also you seem to think that anon I are the same person. We're not. I'm the one who posted it first

>>40170220
For me nofap does the complete opposite of increasing my concentration. Well it actually does, aexcept I AM CONCENTRATED ON THINKING ABOUT FAPPING. Can't get any school work done before I fap.

Would it be better for test to fuck lots of different girls or only my gf?

>>40174742
>and that masturbation lowers test, your ability to utilize test and increases your estrogen sensitivity.
It does none of those things

>>40174807

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/masturbation-downregulates-certain-androgenic-receptors-in-the-brain-and-upregulates-certain-estro.6998/

>>40174768
>>Your test does drop, we have concrete proof.
>It doesn't and you don't
Know what. Give me a minute. I'm going to settle this shit once and for all.
>>You should REALLY link to the actual prostate study.
>I did. I linke THE definitive prostate study out now with a ten year follow up.
It still doesn't say jacking off is good. I linked to a study that says frequent fapping actually causes prostate inflamation.
I've also read studies that actual sex with a partner is what helps with prostate health AND boosts test.

>>And while you're at it, you should fucking read it.
>I also did. You're the one who needs to read it if you're really going to continue down this line of argumentation
You read an excerpt. Not the whole thing.
They actually said these guys TOLD US how much sex they were having and we kind of figured that it might be what's helping their prostate. We guess. We don't know.
We have no actual clue as to why it happens.
Masturbation? LOLOLOL! That shit doesn't help with shit!


>>It sort of hints at masturbation ONCE A MONTH MIGHT help with prostate health but they honestly don't fucking know.
>Except they do
They don't. They really really fucking don't.

>>THEY GUESS.
>They demonsratably didn't.
They fucking did! They are guessing! They HOPE that this leads to something. This isn't concrete proof of shit and this is why it's an ongoing study!

>>Actual sex does help and even boosts test. Jacking off? The opposite.
>>Not reading again
I link to a study that outright states that frequent masturbation causes inflamation of the prostate. You know that thing that can lead to prostate cancer later in life?

>That's always in the greentext I post for when the claim comes up that fapping saps you of vital nutrients when it does no such thing. Also you seem to think that anon I are the same person. We're not. I'm the one who posted it first
I don't fucking care.

>>40174784
Then buy some condoms and go find a girl who needs to fuck because she's going stir crazy and needs a dicking. Easy and very very grateful source of pussy.

Hell, get a girlfriend.

Do you people understand how testosterone and the androgen receptor works? A brief spike or a minor increase won't do shit

>>40174949
What do you think should happen if you go nofap?

>>40174819
Doesn't dipsrove what I just posted nor that masturbation is bad for you. Shitily cherripicked and interpreted studies patched together to vouch for a meme will never prove masturbation's bad for you no matter much you desperately want to believe that it is
>>40174871
>Know what. Give me a minute. I'm going to settle this shit once and for all.
No. You're not, Because no matter how much you want to meme otherwise. Science will still have my back and masturbation will never be the almighty evil you want it to be
>It still doesn't say jacking off is good.
>Not reading yet again
It clearly does
>I linked to a study that says frequent fapping actually causes prostate inflamation.
Which is debunked bullshit
>You read an excerpt. Not the whole thing.
>the person most guilty of not reading is going to tell me what I didn't read
>Masturbation? LOLOLOL! That shit doesn't help with shit!
Except it does, which you would know if you ever actually bothered to read
>They don't. They really really fucking don't.
They do. And no matter how many times you refuse to believe it it won't make it any less true
>They fucking did! They are guessing!
>Not rading again
>Science is guessing
They are doing no such thing
>I link to a study that outright states that frequent masturbation causes inflamation of the prostate. You know that thing that can lead to prostate cancer later in life?
And it's cherrypicked shitily interpreted debunked bullshit
>I don't fucking care
You've made it abundantly clear you don't care about any kind of actual science or proper research

>>40174969
A whole lot of nothing

>>40174969
Hormonally nothing, it may help psychologycally with a placebo effect

>>40174974
>Doesn't dipsrove what I just posted nor that masturbation is bad for you.The only person here desperate to prove something is you.

1.Excessive masturbation is bad for you. Period.
2.Masturbation is not good for you. There are no actual positives for it.
3.Masturbation is at best a harmless vice when done occasionally. Like once a week or month.


>>>40174871 (You)
>No. You're not, Because no matter how much you want to meme otherwise. Science will still have my back and masturbation will never be the almighty evil you want it to be
No. Give me a second. I'm looking through a few different search engines and through ncbi and pubmed. I'm going to find something concrete.

>It clearly does
Where. Point out where it says that Jacking off will prevent prostate cancer.

>Which is debunked bullshit
Post a fucking link right now. You saying it's wrong proves fuck all.

>Except it does, which you would know if you ever actually bothered to read
It does not.
Post the excerpt that says it.

>They do. And no matter how many times you refuse to believe it it won't make it any less true
They do fucking not. You are fucking retarded if you believe they have 100% concrete proof of anything. They are saying they THINK it can.

>>Science is guessing
>They are doing no such thing
Science is guess a lot of the time. It's not magic knowledge that comes form nothing.

>And it's cherrypicked shitily interpreted debunked bullshit
It's not cherry picked. It's not debunked. This is you lying.
Aren't you the idiot who couldn't read a fucking graph?

>You've made it abundantly clear you don't care about any kind of actual science or proper research
And science is about thinking not passively accepting things you obviously barely understand.

No you cunt. I'm stating that I don't give a shit about the nutrient stuff. It's just fucking retarded nonsense I don't care about.

>>40174986
So you are on the side that is pro masturbation no matter what.
So your opinion is pointless.
>>40175012
No, I mean. Ideally, what should happen if you go no fap for it to be seen as a success.

>>40175046
>Excessive masturbation is bad for you. Period.
No it's not. Period.
>Masturbation is not good for you. There are no actual positives for it.
>Masturbation is at best a harmless vice when done occasionally. Like once a week or month.
>Not reading again
>No. Give me a second. I'm looking through a few different search engines and through ncbi and pubmed. I'm going to find something concrete.
And it won't disprove anything I've posted
>Where. Point out where it says that Jacking off will prevent prostate cancer.
>Read and do my research for me
>Post a fucking link right now.
I did
>You saying it's wrong proves fuck all.
>Not reading again
By just saying it sure. good thing science has my back and helped me prove it wrong
>It does not.
>Post the excerpt that says it.
>Read and do my research for me again
>They do fucking not.
>this level of denial
>You are fucking retarded if you believe they have 100% concrete proof of anything. They are saying they THINK it can.
>The man who believes in pseudoscience thinks he can call others retarded
>Science is guess a lot of the time. It's not magic knowledge that comes form nothing.
Sure. Just the science I posted is a far more well informed guess and far more proof than all of what you've posted combined
>It's not cherry picked. It's not debunked.
It's both.
>This is you lying.
>this level of projection
>And science is about thinking not passively accepting things you obviously barely understand.
>this level of projection again
I've definitely demonstrated a better understanding of science and biology than you
>I'm stating that I don't give a shit about the nutrient stuff.
You clearly don't give a shit about any other actual science either
>It's just fucking retarded nonsense I don't care about.
Which is your claim for all the other actual science I've posted as well

>>40175122
T. Pathetic loser that can't physically stop masturbating so he has to justify that it isnt a problem

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>>40171063
"He-he's fast!"

>>40175188
yup.

>>40171063
is he using spidey sense in the second panel?

>>40172961
damn I'll start fapping after then

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>>40170321
Checkout the Onahole thread on /jp/

>>40175122
lmao, this is some next level bait.

>>40175058
You get some girl to cum inside her I guess

>>40175188
T. Idiot who so desperately wants masturbation to be the devils he's will to ignore all scientific evidence and demonize it with pseudoscience anyway
>>40175784
Nope, sorry you know know fuck all about biology and science
>>40176842
And you're a next level faggot

>>40175058
>So you are on the side that is pro masturbation no matter what.
So your opinion is pointless.
>This level of projection
>Implying no fap pseudoscience isn't the most pointless opinion in this thread

>>40178891
You're the fucking guy who couldn't read a simple fucking graph and doesn't understand how males testosterone works at all.

You are the one crowing about not understanding science.

You are the one constantly posting NOTHING saying that excessive masturbation is harmless or that masturbation of any amount is good at all.

Nothing. You're a porn shill or someone who has a problem with kicking the habit.

>>40176808
She doesn't seem like relationship material but I'd take a turn

>>40169135
You should abstain as long as you can.

If you can't, then just fap without porn.

THIS IS PROVEN AND THE ONLY RIGHT SOLUTION, TELL THE GUY WHO POST SOME SITE SOURCES NOT TO QUOTE ME.

>>40179254
You haven't proved your point.
You're simply reposting the same stuff over and over again and constantly proving that you don't understand any of the stuff you've posted for or against.

I do know that you want masturbation to be this godsend to mankind and not be just this not overly bad habit that people have become addicted too.

You either have a problem or you're pushing an agenda.
Which is it.

>>40170321
Not that much better.

Japanese Onaholes feel way closer to the real thing. And they are more gentle on stimulating your dick as well

>>40178930
>You're the fucking guy who couldn't read a simple fucking graph and doesn't understand how males testosterone works at all.
>This level of projection
You constantly post that masturbating does things it doesn't, like destroy testosterone production and if anyone doesn't understand how test works it's you. You want masturbating to be the devils so bad you're willing to ignore science opt for pseudoscientific bullshit
>You are the one crowing about not understanding science.
And you don't
>You are the one constantly posting NOTHING saying that excessive masturbation is harmless or that masturbation of any amount is good at all.
>Not reading again
>You're a porn shill or someone who has a problem with kicking the habit
I'm neither. You, however are clearly retarded
>>40179120
>You should abstain as long as you can.
No. you shouldn't.
>THIS IS PROVEN AND THE ONLY RIGHT SOLUTION
And no it isn't
>TELL THE GUY WHO POST SOME SITE SOURCES NOT TO QUOTE ME.
>Stop posting science because it hurts my feelings
>>40179276
>You haven't proved your point.
>Not reading again
>You're simply reposting the same stuff over and over again and constantly proving that you don't understand any of the stuff you've posted for or against.
>This level of projection again
I've demonstrated a better understanding about what I be posted then all of your posts combined
>I do know that you want masturbation to be this godsend to mankind and not be just this not overly bad habit that people have become addicted too.
Masturbations nowhere near an addiction or a drug. And no matter how much you want to pseudoscientifically demonize it. No bullshit you keep post like it destroying testosterone will ever be true
>You either have a problem or you're pushing an agenda.
Which is it.
Neither, you're just retarded

>>40179421
see
>>40179276

Post anything that says abstaining from masturbation is bad or that excessive or any masturbation is good or even needed.

I'll wait.

>>40174444
Kek wills it

>>40179445
>Post anything that says abstaining from masturbation is bad or that excessive or any masturbation is good or even needed.
I already did.
>I'll wait.
Then you're wasting you're time waiting