How do you guys cut effectively?

Ketosis.

>>40150199
with a knife

also

BRRRAAAAAAPPPPPP

>>40150199
In no particular order: DNP, clen, ECA, yohimbine, tren.

>>40150199
Know what you're going to eat well before it's time to eat. Less chance of impulse eating throughout the day.

>>40150199

IF, literally the easiest thing to do.

>>40150199
coffee + intermittent fasting

DONt go outside hungry

just use the lazyness and apathy you have for making real progress in your personal life and apply it to putting food in your mouth

Vertically not horizontally, make sure to lacerate the major arteries. Elbow works better than wrist.

>>40150199
Cardio
It's not a meme

start with an aggro IF + PSMF, transitioning after week 2 into a standard ketogenic diet.

lifting becomes depressing because of no carb'd up energy so i do more running (which is surprisingly good on keto).

>>40150227
Have you tried clen in a cut? Was it good? Im thinking in using it in my next cut

>>40150199
Skip breakfast.

Also known as intermittent fasting

>>40150298
I had a giggle

>>40150210
Didn't believe in Keto till I tried it last year. It's my only way to cut now

>>40150227
Where's the amphetamines and cocaine?
Pussy

meal planning

>>40150199
don't be a fucking fattass you fatty fatty fat

>>40150199
Hot sauce bitch

Cutting food is so fucking bland, but all becomes bearable with some siracha. Gets me through everything

>>40151156
To add to this, lots of water helps to feel more full. I always drink at least three glasses a water every meal. IF is also super easy if you model around school or work hours

>>40150219
>no but pictured
>brapp
Youre just overdoing it anon slow the fuck down

>>40150199
Is eating a calorie deficit not enough?

>>40150199
ECA when I want to get it moving

>>40150231
>>40150279
>>40150364
>>40151156
This, especially IF and meal planning

>>40151613
>>40151194
IF??????

>>40150210

Yep, I cut hard with keto after bulking to make weigh ins.

>>40150227
>not just using meth
Fucking pleb

>>40150199
>falling for the cutting meme instead of perma bulking
stay weak dyel fags

Hey guys, I'd like to ask you something.
I have a serious anxiety issue, should I try ECA? Or it can get even worse?
I've been dieting and doing cardio regularly, btw.

>>40151975
Intermittent fasting.
Short explanation you don't eat breakfast.
You have your first meal several hours after you wake up, supposed to help you eat larger meals while keeping macros the same and can also help with growth hormone production (I've heard?)

Depression plus poverty is a fine way to cut.
Can't eat much when you barely leave your bed all day. Can't eat much when there isn't much to eat.

>>40150199
dexamphetamine.

not even joking.
take 5mg for 4 hours of no appetite.

>>40152021
You're not going to see elevated GH by just delaying breakfast by a few hours.

>>40150210
Alright, redpill me on this shit. I've tried the keto meme a couple times a few years ago. Always did The Anabolic Diet™ with 1 or 2 cheat days a week. Pretty sure I did it wrong anyways and ate too many calories in addition to partying every weekend. Needless to say I didn't have much success with it.

So assuming I'll do it right during this years cut - can I expect something from keto or is it truly just a meme?

>>40152014
t. delusional fat powerlifter

>>40152057

I've been combining keto + intermittent fasting on a deficit and usually can cut 3 pounds a week. I do this for weigh-ins combined with extra 30 mins of a cardio 5 times a week.

Have to be very meticulous about the macros though. I'm at 10% carbs, 20% protein, 70% fats.

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>>40150199
kill yourself bitch, then you won't have to fight for the "willpower" to do anything.

>>40152057
Expect nothing from keto if you can't commit to more than a couple of weeks without fucking cheating. Cheating delays adaption and prolongs carb cravings.

>>40152086
>combining keto + intermittent fasting
Why is this so common?

Back when I did 'keto' - or lets say low carb, because there's no way I was ever in ketosis - I felt really good in general, but lost stength really fast on everything but deadlifts. Plus I always felt extremely thin and tiny. Do you strungle with this when doing an actual keto?

>>40152102
I wasn't 'cheating' 1/2 times per week, because I couldn't commit. I did it, because that shit is actually recommended when doing the Anabolic Diet™ for >insulin peak and >maximum growth on weekends. I didn't like the cheat days at all. I looked like a disgusting bloated blob and felt like I could burst any moment from being so full. Makes you feel big, but incredibly fat and uncomfortable.

>>40150199
willpower

>>40152144
Strength takes a couple of weeks to return to baseline on strict keto while your muscle tissue are building FFA-specialized mitochondria.

>>40152066
say that to my face not online and see what happens

>>40152144

First respondee here. Do I feel week on lifting? Yeah, I have reduced strength, but I take a pre-workout black coffee and a caffeine pill for the hell of it. I alternate between swimming butterfly stroke or climbing 200 floors in 30 mins for my cardio though. I feel I eventually get strength back 3 weeks into it.

I don't do cheat days like right now. I have weigh in Monday and I'm now 5 pounds under my cap. I'll prolly still cut down back into the high 170s then bulk again. Goal 185 for now. Back at 190 now.

>>40152171
What will happen? Will you somehow lose weight? If not point stands.

>>40150235
Is if based on eating as much as you want but only in a window?

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>>40152144
> keto
Carbs are the least filling macro (also the only non-essential one, but that's a different topic). Have you ever eaten a whole bag of chips but you're still hungry? That's because not only are they carbs, but because they're starchy carbs. With keto (or low carb 50-100g like I usually do) you're getting filled up well by protein and fat, and also by the one type of carb that IS filling: fiber.

> intermittent fasting
Ghrelin the the hormone secreted by your body that induces hunger. The thing is, it only starts to be produced 1. when you're REALLY hungry, or 2. after you start eating. Yeah, you read that right. Ever noticed how if you eat breakfast you might be hungry 1-2 hours later but if you skip it, you won't get hungry for hours? That's the ghrelin. I've had friends scared off by the name "intermittent fasting" because it sounds like intense, but the ironic thing is that most of these friends had done it by skipping breakfast regularly. Anyways, by delaying your eating to a later time in the day (usually the last 8 hour window of your day), you eat more food in a smaller window of time and feel more full.

So together, both of these 2 methods make you feel a LOT more full. And that's what leads to a successful cut. Another thing I've learned is keeping busy; in times of my life when I didn't have much going on, if I tried to cut all I would do is think about my next meal and look up food porn. Keep your mind off food! Pick up a hobby!

What's your guys' average cals you eat per day?

I'm autistic, so I forget to eat if I don't remind myself

>>40150210
>>40152086
>>40152102
Can you take whey protein when doing keto? I've heard it can spike insulin almost as much as simple sugars. Is Casein any better? Maybe hemp protein?

>>40150199

People have already mentioned more or less everything I do, but I'll chip in anyway.

First, I plan meals in advance. I have a rotating weekly schedule that I add to and remove from whenever a meal gets boring. Planning things out allows me to calculate my calories well in advance, and I can have a few more calorie-dense meals, and a few less. It's why I plan week-by-week rather than day-by-day. 10,500 calories a week is more flexible than 1,500 a day.

Cook everything. I don't eat anything pre-packaged. Everything I ingest is something I make personally, even my drinks. It makes snacking virtually impossible, and gets you into a schedule, which leads to my next point.

Eat at set intervals. Whether it's IF (which I do, mostly because it fits my schedule) or not, set times to eat and follow them. It's a lot easier to resist snacking or binging if you know what you're going to eat and when, because you can just look forward a few hours.

Low calorie foods. Can't emphasize this enough. When you eat things like chicken, rice, green vegetables, etc, you can eat *massively* more than otherwise, while still staying under your calorie limit. It also means that when you switch from cut to bulk, you don't have to eat *more*. You just eat more calorie-dense foods. Very, very helpful, that. Once you've spent a year eating more or less the same volume of food every day, it takes literally zero effort or willpower to stick to it, and you can go from cut to bulk basically at will without ever feeling deprived.

Hmm... what else...

Oh right, coffee. I don't eat in the morning. My first meal is lunch, than dinner after work (I bring lunch and dinner to work, and eat dinner before heading home), then a third meal an hour or so before I go to sleep. Coffee helps maintain that. It wakes me up, and also reduces my appetite in the morning. I generally also have tea with lunch, but no caffeine with dinner or my before-bed meal.

>>40152019
I dont like to take ECA stack if I know im going to have to be interacting with alot of people. Definately makes me more anxious and standoffish. Last time I went to work someone asked why I was being such an asshole.

>>40152169
>>40152184
Nice to know, thanks brahs. Will maybe give it another, this time serious, attempt, because I always felt like my body did respond very good to extremely low carb.
Anything you can recommend to target the empty/depleted feeling?

>>40152228
So doing both is just a method to avoid hunger? Because that was never an issue for me when going low carb. After the first 1-2 days, I could go a day without eating and not get hungry at all. Infact, since I did low carb the first time I barely get the hunger feeling ever anymore. Only when I've not eaten for 20h+.
So there's no other benefit to IF if hunger isn't an issue for me?

>>40150199
Cardio

Drink a lot of water

Go to bed early

Space your meals properly to avoid hunger

Let yourself eat one bad thing a day, not a whole meal but a snack. Like ice cream or something. It won't kill a cut and it will make it much easier to mentally maintain.

>>40152252
Yes.

The presence or amount of insulin in the blood is not the determining factor of ketosis (although elevated insulin does inhibit lipolysis). Ketosis occurs when liver glycogen is depleted beyond a certain threshold and gluconeogenisis + dietary carbohydrate is not sufficient to refill it, so the liver starts converting FFAs to ketones. Low-carb whey isolate is fine.

Combination of IF (18-22 hour fast everyday) and eating on a caloric deficit. Head into the office around 3-4 use the office gym and then eat.

>>40152285

One thing I notice a month into pure keto + IF is that there's a little bit of difficulty eating more than 2k calories. As I lose weight I usually eat less too, but I supplement with Whey and vitamins for electrolytes.

>>40152289

dude ice cream is the worst thing you could possibly eat, even as a snack.

try low fat yogurt or a some healthy cinnamon apple oats, fuck it mix the two and its still better than ice cream

>>40152278
I'm basically staying at home until march, atm I only go out to go to gym or the market. I don't even talk much to people during the week. Still I suffer from overthinking all the time, what concerns me the most about taking this kinda stimulant.

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>>40152364
Not him but these really help keep my sanity in check

>>40152285
Yep, they're to avoid hunger. Just wondering, if you're having no trouble with hunger, why do you want to cut more effectively? That's as effective as you're going to get.

>>40150199
Keto+Dexedrine/Ephedrine combo.

>>40150199
Strict 23hour IF
Morning exercise 6 days
Constant activity
Black coffee twice a day
Gallon of water
Tabata protocol full body circuit before eating and Strength training after eating on T/TH and MWF respectively.
Good nights sleep

>>40152428
As opposed to just cutting calories? Idk, I like the idea of having an active starting point to my cut, where I make an actual big change instead of just eating less. Completely changing my diet is a good way of doing that. Plus the immediate water loss. It's this 'ok, shit is starting NOW' that I like. Simply eating less also makes it easier to cheat, I feel. When doing low carb you just know when you've fucked up right the Moment you've touched the food.
Also being on low carb always made me feel different in general. Not having to worry about cooking and eating again, not being completely bloated, not shitting all the time, no major differences in blood sugar, etc.

So, Tl;Dr: I like to have a clear cut cutting phase.

>>40152532
This is part of what attracts some people to big dieting and exercise plans.
Why the scammery is so big and profitable.

People WANT to feel like they are accomplishing something. They like feeling different and instant results and instant feed back.

Simple stuff is easy and forgettable and most people on some level don't believe it's doing anything unless it's a big instant change.

I think that's why crash diets and major workouts that slowly teaches people how to better eat and better keep themselves fit and good health habits is key to long lasting health.

Taking control of the yo yo diet and yo yo fitness that people tend to do. Building a lifestyle around controlled yo yo dieting and yo yo fitness.

Those times when they are simply ready to give up on dieting/eating better and exercise? Slowly put the idea of casual dieting and casual maintenance in their heads.
That will slow and even continue the weight loss and slow and maybe even improve the fitness of the burnt out and terminally lazy. .

>>40152372
What kind of work do you do?? It makes me a little too anxious to study very efficiently. If give it a try though, it might work really well for you. Eat a meal before you take it, supplement with theanine

>>40152599
Very good point. That's why I did that stupid Anabolic Diet back then, because it provided just that. It's sad that it leads to all this scammery and false hope, but I can absolutely understand why people fall for it or want it. Especially since lifting itself already requires so much pation.

I just eat filling food. Milk is literally a god send as well, even though it's pretty high in calories, it keeps you not hungry though because of all the fat.

>>40152171
>t. delusional fat powerlifter

WHOLE MILK
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>>40150227
Yohimbine works okay for me. Have to do HIIT for it to have any effect on me though. Tried Clen, but it felt underdosed and can't find a good seller since no one seems to sell it anymore.

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>>40150210
me too, mostly because I cut with a large deficit and it's hard to reach my protein macros otherwise

>>40152021
>>40152050
my first meal is dinner.

you guys are doing some weak ass IF

>>40150199
Intermidate fasting plus calorie counting strong will power in the morning get to big satisfying meals get to go out and eat at restaurant with freinds it works very well

>>40150199
>ginger

lower than subhuman

>>40150298
This actually works for me. Skip lunch regularly because I can save money and don't have to move.

>>40153600
Implying i dont i got used to it i am never hungry in the morning lots of water and black coffee.i do it so much breakfast know just boggles my mind

IF should really be part of the sticky. That whole just eat your macros and stay under your tdee really slowed me down.

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>>40153635
homo or salty bitch?

>>40151253
dude you can BRRAAPP any time there's a pic of a girl

get with the times

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Mfw want to cut but don't want to lose any muscle

>>40153716
roids

>>40150199

Scissors work best unless you are cutting meat.

>>40150199
ostarine to keep strength gains, and just not eat as much food.

>>40153716
Just eat perfectly and you can get back whatever you lost in like a month.

>>40153676
This bitch with spaghetti arms again, you can keep on posting her it changes nothing about the fact that her frame looks like that of a bulimics

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>>40153753
Then go to /hm/, cocksucker.

>>40153725
b...but long term health fx

>>40153747
Idk, I used to be skinny my whole life then put on 55 lbs. I'm pretty comfortable where I'm at, but if I cut my lower half of my torso would be a ton more defined. Eh.. I like filling out my shirts lol.

Just bought $200 worth of DNP. Bulking and dieting are gonna go so much quicker

>>40152364
>dude ice cream is the worst thing you could possibly eat

Do you even bulk?

>>40151253
That was obviously a queef you dumb cunt!

>>40151156
Siracha is pleb tier, just so you know

>>40150199
>don't eat more than 3 meals a day
>make sure they stay under 700 calories each.

it's real easy

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>>40153771
>ginger michael jackson with tits

>>40155662
lol what? I'm living in Thailand and we use siracha over here

>>40150199

Intermittent fasting. I used to eat in the mornings even when I wasn't hungry and then I just kept on snacking and snacking.

>Wake up at 8
>lunch at 13
>gym around 18
>dinner after gym

It's just so fucking perfect. When I eat, I can eat a lot of "what I want" that really satisfies my hunger. It makes me not even want to snack througout the day.

In some cases if my blood sugar drops, I eat banana/quark before my workout or before bed.

>>40154045

no? why would bulk mean = gain useless amounts of excess fat?

you only need slight caloric surplus to make the most out of ur gainss

IF
KETO
fasting
cardio
yohimbine
cold therapy

cutting has never been easier.

EC Stack
Diet soda
Weed
fapping

>>40155761

This is basically it, but the three main components are keto, cardio, then IF.

>>40155763
>diet soda
>cutting
lmfao

>>40153703
You retard.

>>40152203
now THAT is a funny reply

>>40152364
>ice cream is the worst thing you could possibly eat
communist

I just starve myself like the Muslims do during Ramadan, all day no food only have good diner.

Only unlike them where they don't have anything, you can drink water, coffee, etc along the day.

>>40155861
>superfat vs super skinny

>I drink upwards of 15 teas a day with 2 sugar and cream on top m8

>>40150387
not op but yes, its a really faster cut, i've got 1,5kg of fat cut on 1 month, eating 2000 calories a day and not doing cardio, just lifting hard as fuck, i also got shaky as hell, like, my hands were really really shaky,i couldn't hold a full cup of water without dropping some, it also fades a bit when you eat or lift

>>40155875
No drink everything but without sugar and cream.

>>40151194
water during meals are terrible for a cut, makes your stomach dilate so you'll feel more hungry after couple hours, drink a lot of water before eating, also eat shredded chicken or anything, because it has higher volume over weight, so you'll feel like you're eating more than you are really eating

>>40151194
u drink water 45 mins BEFORE and AFTER meals, not during. pleb

>>40153716
Pretty sure you gotta fuck up hard in your diet for that to happen. My bench and everything has gone up on a IF-cut.

>>40155966
IF is so fucking good

>>40152271
It sound like you do the same IF-lite as I do, by skipping breakfast, but doesn't drinking coffee turn off the fasted state? Because I hope I'm wrong, a coffee in the morning would be very useful

>>40155825
jew

>>40155880
>i also got shaky as hell, like, my hands were really really shaky,i couldn't hold a full cup of water without dropping some
Doing this to your body to lose some fat... You people are beyond stupid.

>>40152219
It's not magic you still need to be conscious of calories. However, for people that enjoy eating bigger meals its much easier to do. I also am never hungry in the morning so it works out pretty great for me. I just eat my first meal around 2, last meal around 8 then fast the rest of the time.

>>40150199

Eat more vegetables. Most of the goofy bullshit you hear about like IF are just ways to control cravings on a low calorie diet and there isn't any kind of metabolic magic going on.calories.

>>40156491
just take a caffeine pill. Doesn't break fasted state and gives you that F O C U S