"where do vegans get b12?" gee, i don't know

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"where do vegans get protein?"

gee, i don't know

>>40131100
> not using good form of b12

>>40131100
>cyanocobalamin
>not methylcobalamin
>not sublingual
>folic acid
>not methylfolate

nice poverty tier multi. it's not going to correct any damage done by b12 deficency, you know that right? it's only going to raise your serum b12 and folic acid which is useless and dangerous is a some ways

>>40131103
eating ~150g of protein/day would be crazy expensive on a vegan diet

>>40131103
> eating kilos of nuts to hit protein goals

>>40131100
why dont u just eat meat lol

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>>40131100
Fun fact: all vegans have low testosterone!

>>40131128
>buy the more expensive form of b12!
>but dont buy the expensive form of protein!

>it's not going to correct any damage done by b12 deficency, you know that right?

thats strange because this multi has been my only source of b12 for 3 years and i'm alive and functioning, so..

>>40131132
>not eating kilos of nuts

>>40131135
i dont want cancer

>>40131100

So what you're saying is a plant based diet isn't even enough to live?

>>40131140
http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/meat-weak

and meat eaters get erectile dysfunction :^)

what good is all of that testosterone when your dick is as limp as a sausage link? top kek

>>40131159
is taking a single multivitamin daily such a daunting task to you? how do you function?

>>40131158
Why are vegans so pretentious?

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>>40131242
why do meat eaters look like this?

>>40131181
>relying on artificial vitamin pills to continue living

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>>40131253
>>40131242
care to explain?

>>40131266
>relying on corpses to continue living
>willingly giving yourself cancer

Supplements, by definition, are unnecessary for people eating a healthy diet. If you need them your diet is not healthy.

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>>40131282
is this guy healthy? i bet he has no need for supplements since he gets his b12 from meat :^)

>>40131158
>i dont want cancer

too late :)

>>40131299
a shitpost is still a bump. here's your (You)

>>40131290
Just look at these pecs. Your vegan diet must make dimwitted if you can't see thats health incarnated.

>>40131290
There's more than one way to be unhealthy.

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>>40131100
>i can't get my necessary nutrients from my fad diet so i have to rely on supplements

>>40131311
>There's more than one way to be unhealthy.

and taking a supplement isn't one of them.

>>40131280
Gee, guess you better tell all the animals that eat meat that they're "corpse-eaters" and that they're giving themselves cancer :^)

>>40131318
Relying on them is though

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>>40131316
>i prefer to get my sustenance from the flesh of dead animals and mental gymnastics have lead me to believe that this is somehow healthier than taking a supplement, even though countless studies have proven that meat is toxic to the human body

>>40131167
Oh come on.
You use bullshit on a pro vegan website as real evidence?

>>40131158
>thats strange because this multi has been my only source of b12 for 3 years and i'm alive and functioning, so..

>Meat gives you cancer!

thats strange because meat has been my only source of b12 for all my live and i'm alive and functioning, so..

>>40131318
Nobody said taking supplements was unhealthy. The statement was that the necessity to take supplements proves unhealthiness.

>>40131323
you mean carnivores? animals that eat meat raw and have no need for spices or cooking it?
animals that would literally die if they stopped eating meat because they literally cant sustain themselves off of supplements like a human can? gee

>>40131325
[Citation needed]

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>>40131338
Are you trying to tell me that www.imright.com isn't real evidence?!

>>40131345
>implying humans haven't eaten raw meat for the better part of our existence

Pls start tripping so I can filter your bullshit, green man

>>40131352
There's some evidence that cooking was invented before anatomically modern humans evolved, and that the greater efficiency of cooked meat drove evolutionary changes in our brains, teeth, and guts.

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>>40131338
next you're going to say that this harvard article i link is bullshit, right?

http://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/5-natural-ways-to-overcome-erectile-dysfunction

Eat right. In the Massachusetts Male Aging Study, eating a diet rich in fruit, vegetables, whole grains, and fish — with fewer red and processed meat and refined grains — decreased the likelihood of ED. Another tip: a chronic deficiency in vitamin B12 may contribute to erectile dysfunction. A daily multivitamin and fortified foods are the best bets for those who absorb B12 poorly, including many older adults.

even harvard agrees


>>40131339
and let me guess, you're under 40 years old right? it's going to catch up with you

here's a pic of jared leto, 45 years old and a vegan. show me a 45 year old meat eater who looks this young

>>40131352
humans also lived to the ripe old age of 30 to 40 for the better part of our existence

>>40131366
not worth living past 30 anyway though

>>40131366
>fewer

just fuck off

>>40131378
that's only if you ruin your body

>>40131379
>waah fuck off even though harvard agrees that eating meat correlates with increased risk of erectile dysfunction

>>40131386
not worth not ruining your body

all the fun things - sports, lifting, eating meat, hedonistic sex, sun - ruin your body

you may as well live your life from inside a fucking self contained ball

>>40131393
sports, lifting, and sex are all forms of exercise which promote longevity

damage from the sun can be mitigated by not being in the sun constantly

the damage from eating meat can be avoided altogether, but noo, supplements are unhealthy, you'd rather end up with ED

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>let's deprive ourselves of every form of pleasure so that we can be HEALTHY!!!

Fuck off faggots. I'll eat what I want and I'll enjoy it too. Have fun eating bananas and kale smoothies while I enjoy life to the fullest.

>b-but y-you'll die of cancer!!

Yeah, it's not like cancer is not mostly genetic. A bunch of you veganfags will probably catch cancer as well, despite having denied yourself every little thing on this earth just to prevent it. I'm LMAOing at your life.

>>40131402
Nobody said supplements are unhealthy. Except for me, right now. People eating a healthy diet get no benefits from them (ergo, if you get a benefit, your diet is not healthy), and in fact have a greater risk of cancer and early death.

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>>40131413
mmmm. so pleasurable. muh cheezburger. aw yea love this burger. fuck yea cheeseburger MMM


literally the same logic fat people use to justify their shit habits

>>40131417
>and in fact have a greater risk of cancer and early death.

[Citation needed]

>>40131417
>early death
>greater risk of cancer

I also enjoy posting diametrically opposed things as truth.

>>40131402
>sports
>promoting longevity
every sport has some form of injury that's just a statistical event waiting to happen. the more you play, the more likely you are to get it. even fucking badminton probably ends up with you pulling a rotator cuff at some point.

every high level rugby forward has pretty much done both AC's and had them repaired, for instance.

>lifting
high protein diets accelerate aging. lifting heavy (>he doesn't lift heavy) puts a lot of stress on your joints. ronnie coleman is in a wheelchair.

>sex
the more sex you have with more people the more likely you are to get an STD, even if you're safe. condoms fail.

cancer is a shit argument, it's random
>go out in the sun without sunscreen, get cancer
>go out in the sun with sunscreen, get cancer from the sunscreen anyway
get back in the isolated ball boys

>>40131441
Cancer and early death tend to be correlated, seeing as how one of the things cancer does is kill you.

>>40131417
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/526S.long


Our review of the 6 studies found the following trends: 1) a very low meat intake was associated with a significant decrease in risk of death in 4 studies, a nonsignificant decrease in risk of death in the fifth study, and virtually no association in the sixth study; 2) 2 of the studies in which a low meat intake significantly decreased mortality risk also indicated that a longer duration (≥ 2 decades) of adherence to this diet contributed to a significant decrease in mortality risk and a significant 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) increase in life expectancy; and 3) the protective effect of a very low meat intake seems to attenuate after the ninth decade. Some of the variation in the survival advantage in vegetarians may have been due to marked differences between studies in adjustment for confounders, the definition of vegetarian, measurement error, age distribution, the healthy volunteer effect, and intake of specific plant foods by the vegetarians.

Conclusion: Current prospective cohort data from adults in North America and Europe raise the possibility that a lifestyle pattern that includes a very low meat intake is associated with greater longevity.
you're fucking flat wrong and here's the proof

>>40131434
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vitamins-and-cancer-risk/

>>40131453
"Very low" doesn't mean zero.

>>40131450
Can do.

Like you can stop being a faggot, but won't.

>>40131445
every sport has some form of injury that's just a statistical event waiting to happen

>hurting yourself playing sports is somehow going to decrease your lifespan

>high protein diets accelerate aging. lifting heavy (>he doesn't lift heavy) puts a lot of stress on your joints. ronnie coleman is in a wheelchair.

everyone already knows being a huge ass bodybuilder is unhealthy. you're not breaking new ground here. if you want to be as big as ronnie coleman that's your choice and you know where its going to get you

>the more sex you have with more people the more likely you are to get an STD, even if you're safe. condoms fail.

yeah no shit, that's why you dont go around fucking strangers like a half-wit nigger

>cancer is a shit argument, it's random

https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-information/cancer-risk-and-prevention/healthy-weight-diet-and-exercise/meat-and-cancer/

"There is now a clear body of evidence that bowel cancer is more common among those who eat the most red and processed meat. Processed meat consumption has also been strongly linked to a higher risk of stomach cancer."

lmao yeah totally random

>>40131128
>beans are expensive
>tofu is expensive
>nuts are expensive
>protein powder is expensive

R U SURE???

>>40131471
Are you under the impression that cancer makes people live longer?

>>40131459
>https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vitamins-and-cancer-risk/
>certain vitamins like vitamin e and megadosing can cause cancer

>no mention whatsoever of b12 supplements

so you're wrong and didnt even read your own article

>>40131486
You've spent this whole thread putting words in people's mouths and jumping to erroneous conclusions. When did I say B12 supplementation, specifically, causes cancer?

>>40131494
>>40131486
But hey looky here
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20091117/folic-acid-b12-may-increase-cancer-risk#1

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1.
>Being vegan => Being self conscious about health => Higher chance of being physically active (= not being a sedentary retard all your life ) .

2.
>Being a sedentary retard => Cancer

3.
> Most people = Not self conscious about their health
>Most people = meat eater ( because that's how society is )

4.conclusion
> Vegan = Retard
Not being a fat fucking piece of shit = Less cancer

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Why are vegans so insufferable?

>>40131520
How would you feel when you realize that billions of innocent animals are killed every year because humans are too lazy shits to eat some vegetables resulting in cruelty for animals and 600lbs lives for humans?

>>40131520
The sort of person that picks up a diet for attention will make sure to take every opportunity to shove it down everyone's throats.

>>40131520
Because "I'm a Vegan" it comes with an implied "and you should be too or else you're a bad person." I

'm not sure why it works this way with some groups like Libertarians, Crossfitters, Atheists (I'm 2 out of 3), and not other groups like Republicans, Bowlers, or Mennonites.

>>40131532
I find this argument far more compelling than the health claims.

>>40131504
>may increase cancer risk
>as opposed to eating meat, which has been proven time and time again to cause cancer

oh ok

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>tfw yet another vegan thread

>>40131507
if anything eating meat = retard and to disagree makes you an angry retard

>>40131575
>yet another vegan thread on the health and fitness board

gee. maybe you were looking for this thread?

>>40130180

>>40131504

In a statement issued in response to the study, a spokesman for the supplement-industry trade association Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) noted that the lung cancer finding has not been seen in other studies.

"The real headline of this study should be that smoking increases the risk of lung cancer -- the study found that a total of 94% of the subjects who developed lung cancer were either current or former smokers," CRN Vice President for Scientific and Regulatory Affairs Andrew Shao, PhD, says in a news release.

so people who smoke tend to get cancer. who knew?

>>40131504
Bettina F. Drake, PhD, of Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine, says it is not likely that fortification has led to an increase in cancers in the U.S. In fact, several studies suggest just the opposite.

"We would expect to see an excess in cancers within a few years after folic acid fortification began, and we have not seen that," she tells WebMD.

Drake says it is possible that folic acid protects against cancer at certain points in life and promotes the growth of cancers at other times. It may also be true that too little folate in the blood or too much of the B vitamin are both associated with an increased risk for cancer.


clearly you didnt even read your own article

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>Vegans deliberately and willing work against human evolution

study link:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0038447

>>40131100
Kek. How is veganism natural and meant for humans if you have to supplement it?

>>40131100
>Serving Size 1 Caplet
>not even a full cap
Enjoy your tiny nutritional supplementation, you limping puddles of baby fat.

>>40131553
because it's the only argument vegans actually have. all the """health"""" claims are tenuous at best, downright pseudoscience at worst, and are based around comparing a vegan diet to the SAD (which, let's not forget, is the average diet for the average American)

veganism is a diet based on an ethical stance

>>40133165
>>40133304
These desu

>>40131100
Veganism causes b12 deficiency:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

Veganism causes d3 and calcium deficiency:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

Vegans are deficient in omega threes:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

Vegans are deficit in carnitine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928

>>40131100
Vegans are deficient in taurine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

Vegans are deficient in iodine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>>40133304
>veganism is a diet based on an ethical stance

So much this

It's the classic
>I'm better they you, and you need to hear how much from me every time I speak
the diet
It's simply moralfagging. Thats also why so many of PC sensitive, LGBTQRSTYZ#! are vegans.

Nothing shouts opressed minority more then Transfey, quadriplegic, indentyfying as black stool chair, ex-muslim, lesbian with feminine penis that is also Vegan, and works full time as an activist

>>40131100
Well whatever you're doing for b12 as a vegan it's definitely not working, see the sources on b12 I just posted.

>>40131103
>soy
Yep, vegans would be stupid enough to eat food that decreases testosterone and increases estrogen. Fucking idiots.

>>40131370

You know that's bullshit, right? They factor in infant mortality rates into that average, so the number drops pretty significantly when you add a lot of zeros.

>>40131591
Nah. Watching vegan/anti-vegan zealots blow up at each other is much more entertaining

>>40133469
Not really, Average human lifespan was for a long time oscilating around 35, without counting infant fertility.

When factoring infant feritility is dropped to 14 in some places.

But the lenghtening of average human life has nothing to do with dietary changes, and more with:
>actual abundance of food
>vaccines
>antibiotics
>computers, and sharp jump in medicine because of that
>improved sanitation
>workplace safety regulations

I mean Germ theory was first proposed in 1546, but it struggled with miasma theory to XIX century. It only got wind in second half of the century and Viruses were only discovered 1890s.

>>40131140
>Sean Spicer "alternative fact"
GTFO

>>40133606
>>40133417

>>40131100

>implying normies aren't b12 deficient

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>>40131366
Kyle Chandler is 51

It's genetics you dumb fuck

>>40131100
>vegan is the natural diet
>takes supplement

Really activates the almonds.

>>40131128
>nice poverty tier multi. it's not going to correct any damage done by b12 deficency, you know that right? it's only going to raise your serum b12 and folic acid which is useless and dangerous is a some ways

My desire to know more has intensified.

Where do vegans get a proper balance of n-3 and n-6? Vegetables won't lead you towards n-3 even if they're the primary producers of ALA. The only people with a modicum of lipid catabolism ability in such a manner are theoretically perfect Nordic and Northeast-Asian mixes.

Additionally, how do they protect against MHC rejections and cytokine reactions in the absence of meat? Won't they end up with allergies and a greater likelihood for myopia every single time?

Really makes me think. I hate vegans.

>>40131331
Post one that isn't about processed foodstuffs.

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>>40133407
>>40133417
Is it possible for vegans to get any more BTFO?

>>40131290
How do you even let yourself get that big? The people around him must really hate him because there is no way that guy is walking, and all of his food has to be delivered to him by someone.

>>40133698
> y-y-yeah we suffer from a host of possible deficiencies, but at least we don't eat chicken!

herbivores irreconcileably DESTROYED

>>40131466
this is confirmed hoax

>>40131453
That's the problem with vegan fanatics, you always nitpick your own sources.

>That only a subset of vegetarians experience a survival advantage that is largely attributable to the preventive effect of specific plant foods in abundance in their diet may further explain variations in the magnitude or presence of a protective effect of the various groups of vegetarians in Tables 1⇑and 2⇑.

Your own source says it's not the elimination of meat from a diet that increases longevity (and only 3.6 years after 20 years of low meat diet) but rather particular food, that has yet to be determined.

So, after identifying what actually allows longevity a meat eater can also eat that and bam, the longevity effects are also in meat eaters.

Now fuck off, the real reason a vegan has to not eat meat is because of moral issues regarding the meat industry, not the healthy benefits of vegetables, that's just bullshit propaganda.

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ITT: meatards get triggered

It's funny that vegans stop posting once their asshole gets fucked.

What will happen to me if all I do is eat oats, almonds, and pea/rice protein? I can get vitamins for myself too but I want to know if a body can handle that much fiber. I will be eating like 3300 calories a day

>>40134424
It would be very painful.

>>40133407
>>40133417
>tfw vitamins exist
>tfw can literally eject yourself with testosterone

That creatine bit is interesting though. Seems like you cant really get around that unless you want to fuck up your kidneys

>>40134441
Can I pull it off or would I die?

>>40134458
> a vegan diet is natural!
> we just need to supplement creatine, testosterone, vitamin b12, vitamin d3, calcium, carnitine, taurine, iodine and vitamin A!
> it's exactly what humans have been eating for thousands of years!

>>40131370
>ot worth living past 30 anyway though
that's not true, the average age of death is brought down by baby deaths and deaths due to infection and shit that we can cure that has nothing to do with diet.

>>40133698

Here's a quick way to un-BTFO them; actually open those links and see how little they relate to his points

>>40131482
no, living longer increases your risk of cancer, because cancer is a mutation in the cells due to reproduction to accommodate other cells dying

>>40134806
Why is natural vs unnatural inherently good or bad? If I have to take vitamins what difference does it really make it is the benefit of living in the 21st century. Also you might as well say protein powder isnt natural

>>40134881
I never said it was good or bad. There's just no way you can call a diet where you need to supplement all that stuff 'natural'

>>40134874

stop using your logics and facts, and such wizardry

>>40133631
Bullshit. He can't be 51

>he thinks his body actually digests vitamins not in food

fucking maximum kek, do 5 seconds of research

>>40133666
>how do they protect against mhc rejections
did babby just take immunology 101?

>>40133647
>My desire to know more has intensified.
I'm not knowelegable enough to explain all of this but it's really an interesting topic.

This article kinda explains it

https://www.dietvsdisease.org/mthfr-mutation-symptoms-and-diet/

I was b12/folate deficient for years despite eating meat and animal products every day and supplementing poverty tier B vitamin complex such as in OP's picture. B12/folate deficency had caused me a lot of cognitive simptoms such as depression, brain fog, etc and it only went away once I started using a good B complex with methylated B vitamins, and large doses of methylcobalamin (mB12), adenosylcobalamin (adB12), methylfolate (active form of folic acid).

>>40134965
Nice and full answer.

>>40135005
not him but your stomach would fully dissolve MHC and any cytokines that are present in meat

you don't stop producing proteases in gastric juice just because you go vegan

>a modern wilderness-savvy vegan and omnivore, and a woman get stranded on an island
>said island is abundant of fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts, and easy game
>the vegan becomes weak and brittle because of vitamin deficiencies
>probably dies
>the alpha omnivore, full of energy, breeds the fuck out of the woman
>they life happily ever after, taking full advantage of the things nature have given them

>>40134881
we evolved to eat the food around us. so as a generalization with a few exceptions, our bodies are better suited to digest and utilize foods as they naturally occur.

obviously almost all foods are unnatural nowadays and they're fine so I get your point, but you're question is pretty fucking dumb.

>>40135067
This is a baseless assumption so youre pretty fucking dumb

Also how the fuck is a diet with carrots and sweet potatoes gonna be deficient in vitamin A? niggas literally turn orange because of all the vitamin A they eat

>>40135022

>vegan dies from acute meat deficiency
>omnivore can't maintain an erection
>woman lives out her days making paintings with her menstrual blood

>>40135315
>>woman lives out her days making paintings with her menstrual blood
>some women do this

why are humans so disgusting and why are the ones that spend the most time raising children the worst of them

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>>40133666
>falling for the "EFA" meme

>>40131290
Mirin them sick chest gains. What kind of sandwich is that?

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>>40133407
>>40133417

>implying omnivores don't take supplements

Meme argument.

>>40135456
Yeah ones with shitty diets

>>40135475

No, ones who can't get all the "necessary nutrients" from food because they're fixated on protein consumption.

>>40135274
The liver can only convert so much carotene. That is why you turn orange if you eat too many carrots.

>>40135501
So ones with shitty diets. IIFYM is still a shitty diet my man.

>>40135475

Most omnivores have shitty diets

>>40135475
>breakfast cereal for breakfast
>turkey sandwhich for lunch
>chicken pasta for dinner

90% of omnivore diets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwQZQIt6_Y


reminder that meat eaters unironically support this

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>>40131100
"where do vegans get their political beliefs?"

gee i don't know

>>40136471
>cows fight to try and preserve their existence

if only white people still did the same

>>40136215
vegans feel high and mighty because their diet is healthier than this jewish poison

technically they're right, but kek