/csg/ Combat Sports General - let's get these started

>>40125307
that's gay

>>40125307
>LIFTING FOR COMBAT SPORTS
I'm considering joining a crossfit class (not one of those retarded webm-tier ones)

>>40125307
im currently doing sheiko small loads and judo twice a week.

the max/dynamic effort is bullshit.

>rolling with coach while hungover last week
>land 3-4 submissions in 5 minutes
>he goes on to win his weight class at open Europeans two days ago

Feels good to be a gangsta.


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>>40126011
What's your weight class senpai?

>>40126179
Hovering somewhere below middleweight/-82.3kg mostly, already in Master division myself. Coach is about one weight class below me though, older too.

>>40126229
>Master division
This is so retarded. Fight adult

>>40126258
I do in Judo. Haven't competed in BJJ since before I hit Masters, costs 10 times more than a Judo comp.

>>40126315
>costs 10 times more than a Judo comp
Oh, I agree. Paying over a hundred dollars for a tournament is way too much if you've got to travel, find a place to stay for 2-3 days, etc

>>40126478
Luckily I live in a small country where I can't drive 10km without ending up in a village with a dojo, and there's at least one tournament a month for €2.5 - close to where I live to boot. Even for BJJ competitions I hardly ever have to travel more than 2-3 hours, but even the small ones cost €25-30 nowadays, knockout style. Hating how BJJ is viewed as a way to make money even by non-professionals.

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Will put this beauty to use for the first itme in March at the London Open.

Wish me luck lads or your mum will die in her sleep.

>>40126935

That ratty purple belt hnnnngggg

How long were you at purple?

>>40126594
>Hating how BJJ is viewed as a way to make money even by non-professionals
(the thing is most of them don't make money off it)

What's the best martial art to fend off bydlo on a dark alley?

>>40127050
4.5 years, seemed like an eternity

>>40127084
For schools I know this often to be the case here in Europe, yet they still charge easily double or triple what the average Judo club charges due to lacking organisation.

Tournaments, on the other hand, are cash cows. Ran with volunteers in same way in the same places as other grappling sports, but at several times the price while I know for a fact the averge Judo tournament here is profitable.

>>40127135
How long at white and blue? Also, good luck.

>>40127202
3 on white, 2 on blue, had a few breaks when I was white though so it took me a while to progress

>>40126935
>>40127135
>>40127202
>>40127228
Good luck senpai. Good to see BJJfags consolidated here. Anybody here /nogi/ only?

>>40127370
nogi is the bomb, especially if you go madman mode aka absolute

>tfw used to train in "ninjutsu" (Genbukan)
>tfw I get made fun of online
>tfw its really just Judo + weapons + fun folksy philosophies

feels bad man

Also 10 years combined MT, Wing Chun, and boxing

I'm 32 now and out of fighting shape tho. Don't even know how to get back into it anymore.

Started doing roadwork again but its cold as fuck outside. Gonna hang my heavy bag in the backyard once the weather gets better

Any advice for a younger wrestler? Season is almost over, fight at 145 after recovering from being a fatty at 200+. Just wanted to know if any oldfags had any advice they want to share to there younger guys.

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>>40127093
What is a bydlo

>>40127493
t. not a wrestler, but damn you've got to have GOAT self-control

not only going from a 200+ fatty to fighting at 145, but you've got to control your weight in cycles of cutting over and over too

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>>40127621
This. Each country has its own breed of bydlo, just with different names. Be it redneck, niggers, canis or refugees.

>>40127632
lol thanks senpai. It really is a great sport for building discipline and physical fitness. 10/10 recommend it to everybody

Who else /JeetKuneDo/ here?

>>40127493
take advantage of camps and clinics this summer and compete in the offseason if you can

>>40125307
*BRAAAAAAAAAAAPPFFFFF*
sorry John didn't see ya face back there

>>40127493
yeah, keep fucking moving on the mat, don't stop. if you stop, you're giving your opponent an opening
just try to get them on their back as fast as you can, when you go live during practice act like it's a real match and do your best
sprint! a lot!

>>40128992
>>40127493
also i wrestled 152 and 145 is a fast, agile, but tough weight. i'd say the in betweens are the hardest weight classes because you have strong kids who know technique. 200+ are slow dudes, so be prepared to get rocked

>>40125307
Should I do WFSB if I'm a fat bastard? Not that fat, but haven't been to the gym since I hurt my back in October.

>>40127705
I was looking in to that, is it actually applicable to real life or is it just a memetial art that gained traction because of Bruce lee?

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>>40125307
>BJJ schools are the easiest to come by, but wrestling is going to give you the most control on the ground


HAHAHHAHHAAA

wrestler detected.

remember to stop giving up your back to be chocked. idiot.

I wanna get into martial arts, but I'm worried about catching weird diseases.

there is a lot of sweaty skin on skin and people get bruises and cuts and bleed and that can get in your cuts or eyes.

I have warts (the regular kind, like on your hands, not herpes or genital) and I'm worried that I will give someone the disease if I roll with them. Because of that, I always think about all the weird disease other people might have.

>>40127493
Dont quit ever. I hate myself for quitting wrestling.

>>40129305
Fundamentals>techniques
Faggot

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>>40129305
I am a wrestler and this is true, it happened a lot when I started to fight bjj guys. On the other hand, you should see those guy's faces when I threw them around. Pic related.

>>40129397
sounds like wrestler logic for getting chocked out

>>40129400
I have 6 months bjj, I went up against my wrestling friend who went to state 4 years in a row in high school

choked him out.

the only thing wrestling has that bjj doesn't is takedowns.

but as far as strictly ground work, controlling opponent and submitting, bjj is far superior.

>>40127493
>>40129368
This do NOT fucking quit. I quit my last season and its been 2 years and I dreadfully miss the sport.

>>40129305
You must have never rolled with a college wrestler.

It's like you're jitsing with somebody two weight classes above you.

>>40125307
What's one that's fun, effective, and if I ever competed has low risk of head injury? Srs, I don't want more of them

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>>40129404
>chocked
>>40129422
>6 months
ok tough guy

>>40129481
just because you posted an anime face doesn't mean I won't chock you out.

6 month story is true by the way.

learned basics and submissions. more than enough to control and submit someone who doesn't understand grappling from the bjj perspective.

>>40129345
Nigga you had better never bring your HPV hands into my BJJ class. Please work on getting rid of that shit for everyone's sake.

>>40129505
You beat a veteran javelin thrower in a shot put match. Congrats?

>tfw been a purple belt for 3 years now and I win every tournament I go to except I lost at worlds so my teacher won't promote me

>>40129530
it's a virus, you have it for life.

if you've ever had a wart, then you've got it.

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>>40129505
>just because you posted an anime face doesn't mean...

yes it does.

>>40130059
alright you're getting chocked out

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>>40130107

>>40130135
I really want to chock that smug anime

>>40125307
>Do something like Westside for Skinny Bastards III
This is for offseason, idiot

>>40127093
Hello, slav friend

>>40129422
If your wrestler friend will get 2 weeks of bjj, he will absolutely destroy you

>>40127093
probably boxing, as you'll learn how to circle out and get the fuck out of there if people try to jump you

https://youtu.be/jJUw7OXXGwg

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>his reach isn't longer than his height

>>40131001
>measuring reach finger tip to finger tip
>giant clavicles and t-rex arms mean I'm a good fighter

>>40131001
>>40131010
I have a question. Kinda branches into weight lifting.

Do longer arms mean smaller arms?

>>40131059
More often yes than no, until you break into the heavy classes of either.

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>>40131059
>Do longer arms mean smaller arms?

>Does big thing mean small thing???

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>>40125307
>No judo

what the actual fuck m8?

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>>40126935
Good luck
pic unrelated

>>40129568
I had a wart when I was like 12, it got frozen off by a nurse and it's never been back. That was 18 years ago.

>>40129422
>6 months

Haven't laughed this hard for a while. When will you quit? Or are you jits4lyfe nao?

Been doing 3 years of muay thai, trying my first jitz class tomorrow. The ground game (and my lack of it) scares the shit out of me, and just from a self defence aspect I'd like to know what do to if someone mounts me

>>40131721
They'll teach you, just listen to your instructor, no one wants to kill you in training.

How's your hip mobility?

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>bjj is the best martial art for self defence

>>40127370
>Anybody here /nogi/ only?
no

What are the best ways to prepare for a Judo tournament? I'm only a yellow belt but am entered into the beginner's/low-skilled categories. The tournament is in 4 weeks so I have some time to prepare. So far for my training I'm running 3x a week and practicing Judo 3x a week. Just wondering what conditioning or technical stuff you lot would recommend? Would like to do my best at this tournament.

>>40129345
cut all the warts out first

then do the art

>>40129568
way more than one virus dude

many strains

dont bring that shit in my gym

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>>40130247
ok

>>40131721
shrimp onto your side and push with both palms on one of his legs to get to half. lock up, then work the other side.

>>>/asp/
You literally have a board just for this fagshit

>>40133318
Next three weeks
>have a game plan from kumi kata to tachi waza to transitions to ne waza, both offensive and defensive
>uchi komi the fuck out of said gameplan
>throw in sufficient nage komi and randori - make sure you can still recover properly
Last week
>light and easy; make sure you're virtually running up the walls with excess energy by the time you have to compete

Also, don't stress, then muscle and gas out in the first minutes. Focus, dominate the grips, making sure the opponent has to work harder, only use force when really going for it, starting with kuzushi.

>>40133547
Japmoot killed the board by dumping all the pro-wrestling there. It's a bigger shitposting fest than /b/. Like seriously. I released my inner autist and did some simple number crunching.

>>40125307
Give something ultrapractical for an ectomorph 62 kg 176 cm. Preferably something that'll help me deal with guns and knives and shit too.

>>40134326
>Give something ultrapractical for an ectomorph 62 kg 176 cm.
Hmmm...

>Preferably something that'll help me deal with guns and knives and shit too.
...running.

>>40134360
You mean to say mass actually plays a bigger role than strength? I didn't even tell you my strength levels.

>>40134391
No, as once the skill gap is sufficiently large, technique will overcome strength and mass (and strength>mass), but rather that one shouldn't try to fuck with knives and guns.

>>40125307
>wanting to start Muay Thai but too nervous

Help me cure my autism

>>40134429
Muay Thai will cure your autism. Not joking.

>>40134410
Bull fucking shit. 60 kg skeleton can only get raped by 120 kg bull. No matter how skillful and toned the former and how unskillful and fat the latter.

>>40134446
how

>>40134452
If you'll take 60kg vs 115kg, I saw just that happen two weeks ago during training. Big dude is a BJJ blue belt but got double legged and steamrolled by the 60kg wrestler with some BJJ/grappling experience. The latter is from Dagestan though, so that's a bit like cheating.

>>40134456
By making you interact with people until you think nothing of it. Which you should be thinking in the first place - everyone started where you are now.

>>40134564
k 60 vs 130. Or hell 150. Basically the deal is: small faggets can't cheat the biology, they are gonna suck dick. So might as well spent that gym and csg time on creating business instead.

>>40134621
I'd rather fight someone who is 150kg than 120kg desu - I hover around 80kg myself. Disregarding the likes of strongmen and sumo wrestlers, 120kg guys are more likely to be somewhat athletic, faster and mobile, whereas 150kg guys are usually just slow uncoordinated blobs.

Did taekwondo but will start with kickboxing

>>40133318
See you at Wildcats, nerd.

>>40134564
>The latter is from Dagestan though, so that's a bit like cheating.
kek

>>40134429
getting used to getting hit will play a big part in making you less nervous too, for what it's worth

>>40134621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsVM_N42B3g
>>40134564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8U3G-rI9t4

>>40135187
I swear Caucasians have mandatory bear wrestling in school.

What's the consensus on Taekwondo for mid range and Wrestling at close range?

>>40136148
>taekwondo

kek, enjoy endless patterns and sparring with a retarded ruleset

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What do you guys expect from Rodolfo Vieira's debut in MMA?
No doubt he has an impressive record in BJJ but I think he only took up MMA around a year ago so I doubt that's enough to prepare him for it.

This is the only thing I found abot his opponent:
>Not much is known about Zarylbek. Unofficial sources say he has done seven professional MMA bouts, making him far more experienced than the Brazilian.

>>40136412
What promotion is he in?

>>40136895
Some small Japanese promotion called Real Fight.
Even their website looks unprofessional af and it's all in Japanese, which sucks because I'd be willing to pay per view, but I guess they don't even have that option.
The event will be in Brazil btw.

>>40136925
Well blimey.

>>40129422
You are lying on the internet for recreation.

General info post here.

Dedicated grappler of 4 years here. 4 years judo & wrestling, 2 years bjj.

For any level of self defense, I would chose judo for beginners. Throws on concrete, even a gym floor are devastating. Basic leg sprawl defense (any good judo school does no gi work, and leg attacks) is enough defense against any untrained leg rush, and if you're fighting a trained fighter on the street, you shouldn't be. You should be friends.

What I don't like is new wrestlers shooting outside of a mat, especially while in jeans or what have you can bash your knee in real sorts of good.
Bjj teaches very few takedowns, and focuses on fighting from the bottom (in the vast majority of schools) and IRL situations fighting from the bottom is a very bad idea.

Experienced judoka have all wrestled (if you're worth your salt you cross train)
One of America's best gyms, Mayo Quanchi, has their kids wrestling and playing judo from youth, and produce abnormally amazing results. So you tend to get dozens of fast ways to drive people into the ground, and have your wrist, elbow, and shoulder subs along with chokes. Fighting from the top is always better than the bottom on hard surfaces. Being stacked in guard on asphalt is a lot worse than on a mat. Give it a try.

STRIKING or GRAPPLING?

>>40137368
Yes.

>>40129422
>Wanted to start BJJ in August
>TFW if I did I would have been almost on your capability rn

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Is cheerleading a combat sport

>>40138030
Only if you reck that cheer pusseh

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>>40136148
>Tae Kwon Do
Is it any more legit if you do it as an adult? I got a "black belt" when I was like 12, but now that I do Muay Thai all it helps with is the bad habit of light pussy-strength (but admittedly very very quick) tags in my roundhouse kicks. I need to DE-LEARN TKD to make it combat effective, it seems.

>>40137368
Wing chun

>>40127493
Wrestling outside of school is the best advice anyone can give you, not just tournaments but practice. If you cant find or get to one go on YouTube and watch videos to learn form. Pick one shot (throws and trips don't count), one escape, one top move and practice them 100 times a day by yourself. Once you've mastered those continue to practice them but also add moves to your arsenal one at a time. Also if you don't already have a good stance that's vital.

>>40136148
>Taekwondo
A huge number of techniques are useless as soon as you can use your hands. Find a kickboxing class and talk to the teacher, go over what you know with them and talk about how effective it is, practice with them in sparring. You'll find which techniques work for you and which don't.
>Taekwondo for mid range
top kek.

>>40134452
Bruce Lee was 58kg and would beat people, routinely, twice his weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQIm9gnH8TM
Another example of how skill, in sufficient quantity, beats power. There is a saying at my gym that "40lb of muscle is a belt." Power is important, but so is the skill of the practitioner.

>>40134326
Well, most traditional arts have limited help to do with guns. But Wing Chun (or Vin Tsun) is good for people lacking huge muscles and they have a lot of good knife disarming. Krav Maga is the authority on gun disarming.
If you want something ultra practical overall go for JKD (Jeet Kune Do.)

>>40131799
The best art for self-defense is triathlons and park core, you can always get away. There is no best martial art for self-defense. BJJ shits the bed as soon as you have more than one opponent. Against one though it's great. (I've done two years of BJJ)

>>40129250
It's more of a philosophy of how to approach training and developing yourself than a set of techniques like other arts. The number of teachers certified is very few, but it's what MMA would be if MMA didn't have rules. The fusion of every effective martial art into a style that is not restricted by rules. IMO the student that followed Bruce's legacy the most closely is Dan Inosanto, look him up.

>>40127705
Why hello

I want to start looking boxing for fun in the TV, which guys should i look closely for fun matches and info?

Ok guys i'm a small man 5'7 that's somehow built 176lb 14% bodyfat, I live in manletland though

I do mostly weighted calisthenics work in the gym, i have good numbers (66lb weighted pull ups and 110lb weighted dips, both for 4-5 reps) and can pull off some gymnastic moves like handstand push ups and levers

I want something for self defence so I get better confidence on my skills, I don't plan fighting anybody but in my belief it's something you should have

I also want to do sparring because i'm a believer that fighting should be practiced to get better at it

What I should do? Kickboxing is good? Wing Chun? pls respond

>>40139729
>sparring
>wing chun

Pick one.

Judo/bjj/wrestling are good if you want grappling, boxing/muay thai/kick boxing for striking

>>40139729
>i'm a believer that fighting should be practiced to get better at it

Absolutely, Bruce Lee said: “A fighter who
trains without sparring is like a swimmer who hasn’t immersed in the water,”

With that in mind, I'd say there are three ranges to train, striking, trapping, and grappling.

Muay Thai is usually easy to find a gym for and is very good for striking, Wing Chun is very good for trapping, and BJJ (also easy to find a gym for) is very good for grappling.

If you absolutely have to pick one, however, I would suggest wing chun as it has a non-sport focus but maintains sparring.

>>40139780
I have no idea where you got this impression from, I have trained at three separate Wing Chun Dojo's and all have included a heavy emphasis on sparring.

>>40133625
seconded
it's feral

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>>40125307
i know krav maga and will put $ on the table I can beat the shit out of this sandig anon using its basics

>>40139908
https://youtu.be/j_BkUZ3wOQA

Anybody have success using their head to tag the opponent's liver when doing a double-leg takedown? Obviously this only works if you're right-handed.

>>40139729
I think wing chun is the best martial art

>>40131702
doesn't matter you've got the virus.

>>40139826
>>40133625
/asp/ is a mess, you got full on cucked by in bred pro wrestling fans

Been doing BJJ for a week now hehe
what are some easy beginner chokes, td and levers?
when we spar for 20 minutes at the end of a session I have no idea what the fuck to do

>>40142012
double under pass to rear naked choke.

schools 80% of white belts.

>>40142012
While
>>40142024
Isn't wrong, what he suggests requires a lot of coordination and a series of techniques that you only having done it for a week almost certainly haven't developed yet.

With that in mind, I'd suggest an Ezekiel choke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH3_cssqc-U
The above is a good short summary, you can do this when you are in someone's guard and when you have mounted someone. When in position simply push them away from you and the choke will complete. Ask your teacher to go over it with you briefly, they'll help in the physical way youtube can't quite manage.

Good luck!

>>40142084
someone used that on me this monday hehe
thanks

>>40142108
hehe?

you ever so slightly mocking bjj?

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>>40142124
look at this pic my man

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>>40142138
Ezekiels can also catch higher belts that get too comfortable with you in their guards!

>>40142152
you can't ezekiel from the guard stop giving him false hope

>>40142168
You totally can, but you absolutely shouldn't rely on it.

I use it more often than usual, and from experience I'd say it's fine from a dominant position. It's almost equally fine if you're almost in a dominant position (half guard/almost passed/...) but
>bail if you start losing position without it in place
>feel free to hold it if it's in place and you know you can hold it
The latter is when you can choke through guard or from underneath mount. Setting it up from a bad position only works when your opponent lapses.

>>40136412
im excited for this fight, maybe its possible to find a stream or maybe someone will save the video and upload it?

I think Rodolfo Vieira is a fucking beast and if he can mantain his cool and take his opponent down he will win. His opponent has to beat the shit out of him like ronda vs holmes

>>40137360
i joined my bjj school because a bleck belt. ibjjf world champion and former brazilian top team member from Brazil is the coach, and someone with these qualifications is hardly to be found in germany

However, probably 60% of the class is drilling techniques from the bottom position like guard submissions, spider guard, lasso guard and such. His whole game is very bottom heavy and that`s what he teaches us.

But i want to learn how to take someone down, dominate him, be on top of him able to punch him or stand up or kick him while he's down OR go for a submission.

Should i join a gym with a lower skilled coach that has more of a self-defense style bjj or is it better to suck up all knowledge on the bjj sports style as long as i have access to someone of his skill?

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>>40142929
Stick with the gym if it is a good learning atmosphere. Brazilian Top Team guys were MMA: there's no way he doesn't have a good deal of wrestling in that brain of his. If need be, ask him after class if he can teach you takedowns and an aggressive top game.


Chances are he'll say something like "you need to learn how to win from bottom before learning how to win from top" (Brazilians are very traditional like that at times), but be a good student and form a good relationship with your coach and you are bound to learn.

high school wrestler here about to join a BJJ gym

i trained at it before like once a week for 3 weeks but my dad died and i stopped going

can somebody give me tips for how to do well? I kept slipping out of my gi (im not sure exactly how keep that shit tied up, and my belt always comes undone) can somebody provide a good vid as a baseline?

Joined a new gym recently and found out that they have free boxing classes and a boxing club with comps.
Went to one of the classes today.
They also have bjj and maybe muay thai classes but those cost extra.

>>>/asp/

>>40142929
I like what >>40143111 this guys is saying, but consider cross training in Judo too, Germany has a good Judo reputation and some really high class coaches and fighters over there. Get the best of both worlds.

>>40143126
Posture and a stable base are your most important and developed tools as it is, combined with a pressure heavy top game as long as you don't dive into someone's guard. Plenty of yt tutorials on how to tie belt and gi. Just don't watch the BJJ belt tie tutorials. Nobody in BJJ can properly tie a belt. The knowledge has simply been lost.

>>40143126
How to tie your belt

https://youtu.be/-shq5oDSCs4

Started BJJ yesterday; session is basically:
> Warmup
> Drilling of a technique
> Practicing technique on partner
> Rolling for a few rounds

Is this normal? I also don't have a fucking clue what I'm doing during rolling, I just seem to keep trying to get a mount on people. Any tips for beginners?

>>40143630
Pretty normal class yeah.

Beginner tips
>don't spaz
>don't muscle
>don't be a limp rag
>tap early, tap often
>stick to techniques you know for now

>>40143630
Also stay tight, if you leave your arms far away from your body for too long or your neck exposed for too long you'll get submitted. Learning when you can expose yourself will come with time and experience.