VEGAN GENERAL

>>40024438
delete your thread

>>40024438

Omega-5?

>>40024438
Vegans are deficient in taurine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

Vegans are deficient in iodine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647

http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772

http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

>>40024438

hey guys, just started my vegan diet nye and i'm seeing some real results, my size has definitely decreased, but i'm curious, when will my balls fully vanish?

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>>40024471

I wish I could impregnate her

>>40024454

Bad Vegans are deficient in those things.

>>40024677
>bad vegans

you are a meme

>>40024684

Bad Vegans don't follow proper nutritional advice.

You get fat Vegans because all they eat is sweet shit in huge amounts.

just find your local farmers market and support your local ethical food systems, eat local eggs for fucks sake

>>40024454

Omnivores are deficient in dietary fiber, calcium, vitamin D, and potassium, with similarly inadequate intakes of vitamins A, C, E, and K; choline; magnesium; and folate

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546624/

Vegans and vegetarians have consistently better overall diet quality

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/

>>40024796
>American diet
Anything is better than the average American diet you stupid bitch

>>40024438
Veganism causes b12 deficiency:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

Veganism causes d3 and calcium deficiency:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

Vegans are deficient in omega threes:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

Vegans are deficit in carnitine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928

>>40024796
read your own studies instead of skim reading and linking them.


>>40024906
btfo

>>40024438
Someone else posted the other half, but that giant block of sources is about half of what I have.

The other half compromises the damage being vegan does to children.

I had a nice long ride on the vegan train last year, and it was surprisingly not too difficult, getting back on at the start of the week. Could never find a decent cheese though. Daiya taste like shit and doesn't melt on anything and pretty difficult to find any explicitly vegan products in Alabama, even in a university town. Any recommendations for good cheese lads?

>>40024438
>2. Eat Your Bodyweight In Grams Of Protein
impossible. post exactly what you ate today in order to hit ~180g of protein as a vegan. I'm waiting.

>>40024899

The average american diet is an omnivorous diet. It's incredibly nutrient-poor yet calorie dense. It's as valid a representation of meat diets as any of these studies are of vegan diets.

All these "vegans don't get enough" nutrients and more are also lacking in most meat eaters' diets.

>>40024959
Literally any diet is better than the average American diet.

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>>40024906

>Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:

That's not what your study says. Both groups performed the same at baseline but creatine supplementation worsened the memory of the omnis.

>after 4 d of consuming the creatine supplement, memory was better in vegetarians rather than in those who consumed meat (F(1, 118) ¼ 5·06; P,0·03). However, in those who were meat-eaters, the consumption of the creatine supplement was associated with poorer memory compared with baseline values

>>40024972

I agree SAD is shit but it is an omnivorous diet and obviously the most popular one in the US. If you want to play the game of "vegans don't get enough _____, says X study on 14 malnourished vegans in 1988" then you have to accept all the data about the shitty diets of malnourished non-vegans.

Veganism wouldn't need to exist if Americans didn't eat so much shit food

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>>40024684
You do realize that just because someone's vegan, that doesn't mean they eat right, right?

>>40024972
That is his point you thick twat

>>40024438

That girl gives me anxiety
there is something wrong but I dont know what

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>>40025642

You're catching feelings

>>40024438
>jj's
>a BLT
nani

>>40025642

Your mind is experiencing extreme confusion because her facial features are the definition of beautiful but she is a nigger.

>>40024454
>>40024906
I'm not a vegan but I saw this video the other day and considered it. Are vitamin deficiencies you can easily supplement really worth cancer risk? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQSFEtA2s9A

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>>40025767
Why is she so cute

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>>40024454
they are deficient not because they are vegan but because they don't have a well planed diet just as the same is true of non vegans that don't have a balanced diet. you are silly

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>>40024956
soybean protein isolate is the best way. the stuff about estrogen isn't true but it does increase igf-1 levels more than meat and dairy products which leads me to adopting a pea + rice protein powder blend. this is the best alternative if you are concerned with the previously mentioned drawback

>>40026307
previously mentioned drawback of soybean protein isolate*

>>40024796
I'm an omnivorous who eats meat with lots of vegetables, nuts and fruits so simply the solves the "problem" of my diet. Of course if you're an American who eats fried chicken with fries every day and your only contact with fruit is jelly of course you will be nutrient deficient.

Stop Telling Me To Go Vegan You Fucking Sad Wanker

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>>40026399

I'm not telling you anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKuaEOksJHw

>>40024454
the average person is deficient in those ,and the average person is deficient in more vitamins and minerals then the average vergan. ur point?

>>40025667
who dis?

>>40026282
because she has a white phenotype

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>>40026549

Miss Sudan 2015

>>40026551

No such thing

>>40024438
Fuck your gay thread, but please give sauce on pic before you kys

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>>40026560
She's still a nigger with nigger lips. Whites are the most attractive race.

>>40025642
She looks like a white girl painted black. Her skin has that shine of shoe polish too. If she had lighter skin color it wouldn't look that weird maybe.

>>40026615
>>40026551

Funny how anyone who isn't white that is attractive to white boys has white features

>black girl with white features
>mexican with white features
>asian girl with white features

Just give it up already you fucking racists. The world laughs at you idiots

>>40024956
Why the fuck do you weigh 180kg.

>people say vegans are pushy

>every commercial involving eating meat is borderline mind control, has some grinning asshole eating a burger in slow motion

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11316316/Red-meat-triggers-toxic-immune-reaction-which-causes-cancer-scientists-find.html
>your body literally registers red meat as a toxic, foreign invader and sends the immune system to attack it

>people still justify eating it

really makes you think

>>40026685
>university of california

Last state I would pay any attention to.

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>>40024454
>meat eaters have a higher risk of type 2 diabetes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/

>higher risk of heart disease
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new-study-links-l-carnitine-in-red-meat-to-heart-disease-201304176083

>red meat causes and worsens arthritis
http://www.livestrong.com/article/476509-the-effects-of-eating-meat-on-arthritis/

>higher risk of colon cancer
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Red_meat_and_colon_cancer
enjoy!

>>40026718
> hurr durr i don't like this state so i'm going to just go ahead and disregard what scientists who happen to practice in that state have to say

okay retard, enjoy your cancer

>>40026665
Probably talking about 180 ameritard units. 4/10 made me chuckle mildly.

>>40026247
>cancer risk
Yes, eating processed meat has an increased cancer risk.

You know what else increases cancer? Sunlight. Sunblock. Depression. Using a car.

Basically living. Living gives you cancer lol.

>easily supplement with
OK then why didn't all the subjects in all the studies I posted do that then, if it is so easy?

>>40024444
QUADS FPBP

Animals exist to be killed and feed us, some others, because we have a foundness for them. Nothing else matters. Veganism is BS.

>>40026307
>the stuff about estrogen isn't true
Yes it is moron.

http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/130/3/660S.full

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Vegan for 5 years here. No reason to argue. People will always feel insecure about what other people eat or not eat. It's on them to lash out like children.

>tfw made lintejas for 3 days forward but ate it all i one night yesterday

>>40028304
>living gives you cancers so lets just go out of our way to do things that give us cancer

>people tend to catch colds from being around other people so lets just let people cough in our fucking face

>people tend to get bitten by dogs sometimes so lets just slap the dog and tease it

>some houses burn down so lets fall asleep with the stove on

nice retard logic

>>40026685
Did you really just try to us the telegraph as a source? Lol are you retarded?

>>40028389
actually it clearly sources the national academy of sciences in the article if you even bothered to open it, which you didn't because you're clearly the retard here


http://www.pnas.org/content/112/2/542.abstract

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>>40026735
2. This is literally taken from your second source
>So, case closed—don’t eat red meat? Sorry, nutritional science isn’t that simple.
Thanks for proving what we say.

3. Livestrong? As a source? No fuck off

1&4. We've been over this. Anything is better than the average American diet, so it's no surprise those studies had those results.

>>40028426
Then why didn't you post that originally? Vegans always being disingenuous.

Going vegan starting tomorrow morning

>>40024516
Even as a vegan I recognize that this is a ton of soy, just replace the soy milk for almond milk and this would be a lot more appealing.

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>>40028378
Be a pale, sickly, nutritionally deprived weirdo following an unhealthy meme diet who doesn't get to live their life in a good manner because of said meme diet

Or

A healthy happy human that gets to live a long happy life.

Also Steve Jobs was a vegan and you know what happened to him. He got cancer and died.

>>40028449
>cherrypicking this hard
literally one paragraph under what you copied

"In the bigger picture, we do have pretty damning evidence about the harms of eating a particular type of meat. “Processed red meats—bacon, sausage, salami, deli meats—are associated with much higher risk of heart disease,” Dr. Mozaffarian says."

>3. Livestrong? As a source? No fuck off

here fucko, another of the many links found with a simple google search

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17288585

1&4. We've been over this. Anything is better than the average American diet, so it's no surprise those studies had those results.

>ignoring the facts

>>40028492
Nah i lied, since i still have 1kg whey but that one is the final animal product i need to eliminate

>>40028352
all of these studies contradict each other and none of them are conclusive the link you just provided states:

"Despite the growing body of data, effects of soy consumption on endogenous plasma hormones have been inconsistent, probably as a result of methodological differences in subject characteristics, study design and length, determination of menstrual cycle parameters, and isoflavone form and dose."

"Thus, soy consumption appears to exert modest hormonal effects in both pre- and postmenopausal women. The effects are generally in the direction of providing health benefits, although they are quite small and of uncertain clinical significance. Further research must be performed to clarify the magnitude and significance of the hormonal effects of soy consumption, and, if effects are seen, to establish whether the responsible components are the isoflavones or some other soy constituent."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yQFYONMcTg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bi5wbzpOHQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhkNU46_48M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-tEMIWLFE

you shouldn't be afraid of soy

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>>40028477
>why didn't you spoonfeed me information like a little baby? damn vegans

>>40028506
veganism is good enough for these pale, sickly, nutritionally deprived weirdoes who could easily kick your ass

>>40026287
>vegans that don't have a balanced diet
So you mean all vegans then? If not that post a vegan daily eating plan that is nutritious and satisfys the rda's of all the vegan nutritional deficiencies I've posted.

>>40025037
The vegan diet is shit. Average American diet is shit. You're trying to say "look! My shit is less shit than this other shit! That's why everybody should eat my pile of shit". That is bullshit.

Yeah I was honestly waiting for one of you vegans to try to say that my sources are shit, just because they completely destroy your argument and prove that vegans are braindead morons does not mean that they are true.

I don't care how much you hate what the sources say and prove, they are still accurate.

>>40028556
diaz bros are not truly full vegan. they even said so their selves.

>people who eat meat unironically think they are somehow less nutrient deficient than anyone when the only vitamins contained in meat are b vitamins which are easily gotten from a bowl of cereal these days

hey, dietician here.

i'm not gonna go into the pros / cons of a vegan diet because that would take away from my main message which is this:

VEGANS CAN HAVE A COMPLETELY BALANCED DIET IF THEY ARE VERY CONCIOUS ABOUT WHAT THEY EAT, THEY CAN GET ENOUGH MACRO/MICRONUTRIENTS FROM THEIR COMPLETELY VEGAN DIET.

THIS HAS ONE EXCEPTION, THERE IS NO NATURAL SOURCE OF VITAMIN B12 IN NATURE EXCEPT FOR DAIRY AND MEAT SO YA'LL MOTHERFUCKERS BETTER SUPPLEMENT THAT UNLESS YOU WANT PERMANENT DAMAGE TO YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM.

there are completely vegan supplements available where b12 is synthesized with bacteria. if you don't do this, prepare for permanent damage to your body.

and to avoid a common pitfall on this subject:
your body stores vit b12, enough for ~6 months on average. so if you were to start eating vegan and you didn't supplement vit b12, you'll be perfectly fine for an unspecified amount of time. then one day you might start to look a bit ill, feel a bit lightheaded, or will just feel lethargic in general and you might write it off to something else, as all of these symptoms are very common for lots of things. then, you might have a bit of a rough tongue, you might lose some weight and have diarrhea, and again, these are very common symptoms for all kinds of diseases. so then before you or maybe if you contacted a doctor, they can correctly diagnose your problem, your extremities feel a bit tingly or slightly numb. that means your CNS (central nervous system) is now permanently damaged.

also: even though it is possible to get enough polyunsatured fatty acids through some biochemical processes in your body if you eat just the right things, it is much easier and safer to supplement this as well.

in conclusion: whether you buy into all the pseudoscience or not, or whether you think one is scientifically proven to be better than the other doesn't matter to me as long as you supplement B12 (and probably essential fatty acids as well, just to make it easier for yourself)

>>40028613
>eating fish every now and then makes all of the difference

>this is what butthurt meat eaters believe when on full damage control

>>40028372
>People will always feel insecure about what other people eat or not eat. It's on them to lash out like children.

Funny that. As far as i can tell no-one cares about what others eat, except ppl. selling food and activists trying to push an agenda (e.g. vegans).

>>40024465
>>40024473
>>40024487
>>40024503
Stop eating so much soy and processed shit, you should eat more than 3 servings of soy per day without increasing your cancer risk

>>40025008
Yea I read through a lot of his studies and it's like he doesn't even read them and just makes up his own conclusions.

>>40028643
oh, one final thing:

there are no exceptions on the "there are no natural sources of vit b12 except for dairy and other animal based foodsources" rule.

there are however plenty of pseudoscience bullshit websites that advertise certain foods as being an exception. i've seen some real bullshit on these websites by now, and there are too many to name, so please, please PLEASE just take my word for it. and if you don't, do your own objective research on whatever miracle vegetable you've found.

also: yes i know i said dairy and meat in my earlier post, but i changed it to animal based foodsources because people on /fit/ get autistic on me for shit like this on a regular basis.

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>>40028643
>caps
kys

>>40026399
Nobody made you come into this thread.

>>40028710

>there are however plenty of pseudoscience bullshit websites that advertise certain foods as being an exception

guess ncbi is a pseudoscience bullshit website now

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/


really makes you think

>>40028660
why are you using them as the epitome vegan role models then? nick talked about eating fuckin carna asada tacos just recently in a podcast.

eat a veggie soy horse dick, bro beans.

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>>40028803
i didn't need them in particular to shit on your narrative of vegans being "pale, sickly, nutritionally deprived weirdoes"

here's another example of a vegan fighter who would wipe the floor with you

>>40028741
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

Have any of those source been shown to have activity in humans? As in they are able to lower homocysteine and/or MMA levels?

http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/plant

>>40028676
You'd be surprised. The vegan movement has got a massive opposive force. This thread alone should be a testament to that. I mean it's a thread about veganims, and yet omnivores feel the need to post and argue in it.

Groupmind works both ways, and the anonymous backlash against veganism on the internet makes me wonder why people get so up in arms about it.

There's incredible amounts of pseudoscience surrounding the topic, and whether it's been disproved or not, the arguments will be brought up every time someone mentions not eating whatever.

It just doesn't matter to anyone that's not a vegan, it doesn't affect them at all what other people do.

Now if people would care as much about denouncing islam or whatever, that'd actually be productive.

>>40028741
god fucking damnit, this is exactly the part of /fit/ that makes me want to kill myself.

ncbi is full of shitty studies. you are literally going with the "it's on the internet so it must be true" approach but for pseudointellectuals

on top of that, you are taking away from my message, which -even if you are right, which i won't debate because then this would spiral down into a shitty discussion on whether or not the study you posted is any good- is a valuable message for vegans

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>>40028842
>Have any of those source been shown to have activity in humans? As in they are able to lower homocysteine and/or MMA levels?

no idea, i just know its literally as easy as eating a bowl of cereal for your b vitamin requirements and you can skip out on all of the adverse health effects of eating animal flesh but noooo tasty bacon mmmm burgers

>>40024438
there's something off about her, she cannot be that black and have a nose like this

doesn't look chimpansee enough
not being racist here just sayin whats up

that's a shop

or she got her nose done real thoroughly

>>40028877
>no idea
oh okay

>>40028869
>waah not even ncbi is credible enough for me

>>40028906
considering that the sources mentioned were even bioavailable to b12 deficient rats, i'm going to say its safe to assume that they are for humans too. you can dispute it and say its not good enough for you but you'll just look mad

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430774

>>40028887
product of glorious race-mixing. I don't get why /pol/ is so upset, when people like her could be the outcome.

t. racemixer.

>>40028887
No she didn't. Black people can obviously have different shaped noses like white people can. Maybe she contours her nose to make her bridge look thinner, but that is her nose. She's fully African and I have met Africans with non-stereotypical features. I'm afro- Caribbean and my nose isn't "chimpish". Get out more anon.

>>40028877
i am these posts:
>>40028710
>>40028643

and i have literally no problem with this, vit b12 enriched foods are perfectly fine

i just want to prevent people getting hurt

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>>40024438
dont forget to get this book
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>>40028977
>i just want to prevent people getting hurt
same here honestly, and most of the people who come to these threads are just contrarian idiots wanting to argue, people refuse to accept that they don't need meat to survive just because they like the taste. its literally the same mental gymnastics a fat person uses to justify their shitty eating habits and the irony is rich

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>"X is deficient in-"

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>>40028887
>theres one type of black phenotype

There are many Dark-skinned blacks that many kinds of facial features

>>40029041
>b-but multivitamins are unnatural! *consumes burger*

>>40028887
>>40028944
there's not a lot of 'mixing' as you call it going on, she's pitch fucking black

her face nearly doesn't reflect enough light back for the camera to capture her features

she's fucking sub saharan african black, there's no caucasian in there

not /pol/ either, I fucked black chicks and dig them, the girl in the picture is very attractive, I'm just saying she's had a nosejob is all

calm the fuck down bro

>>40028974
yes, they can, but they all feature wide nostrils

she's fully african and fully nosejobbed

why is this unheard of or racist to say

I do get out plenty which's why I'm calling this

her nose would make michael jackson jealous

>>40024956
What I ate today:
High-protein oats with soymilk*: 20g protein
Baked tofu and veggies: about 30g protein
Some nuts as a snack: about 5g protein
Bean-and-seitan** burgers and sweet potatoes + veggies: 40g protein
Protein shake, vegan blend: 35g protein
PB&J on lchf-bread***: 20g protein

Total: 150g protein. I weigh 150lbs. Wasn't even trying hard.

*some pea protein is added to boost protein content and to make it a complete protein
**the incomplete protein of seitan is made complete with the additions of beans
***seeds and nuts added to the bread to make a complete protein


Not even vegan just trying something new for the hell of it. Former fatty (down from 200lbs at most) and this sort of diet helped me loose tons of weight. Still ate some sea-food, though... Dunno if I'll be able to put on muscle on it, might give it a shot but I'll bail if it hurts my gains.

>>40029095
only the protein shake and tofu count, the rest is incomplete

>65g protein

good job buddy

>>40028585

You missed the point of the post. Vegan diets aren't one single thing just like meat diets aren't one single thing. Individual diets are good or bad. If you think otherwise, then you can't discount the shitty American diet as representing meat eaters.

Most of your studies ARE shit and a lot aren't even about vegans.

>my sources are still accurate

Like this one? >>40025008

Or the one about "vegans have less gains" involving 19 untrained men aged 51-69 that happened to see more muscle gain when they ate 90g protein instead of 70g? Or the indirect reasoning like "vegans are deficient in vitamin A because beta-carotene has to be converted first"? It's like you just found whatever you could that was even vaguely related to what you wanted to say, and posted it in a big wall of text so people wouldn't read into it.

>>40029124

That's not how it works

>>40029124
But like I just said, it was made complete by adding other stuff. Seitan on it's own isn't complete, but with beans it is. DId you now read my whole post? Also I forgot to include BCAA which would take care of incompleteness anyway.

>>40029146
It's like you just found whatever you could that was even vaguely related to what you wanted to say, and posted it in a big wall of text so people wouldn't read into it.

that's exactly what he did because he's just another contrarian who isnt even actually interested in a discussion, he just wants to think he's right about things

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>>40029069
>yes, they can, but they all feature wide nostrils

No they don't

The one thing they all feature is dark skin and curly hair

Their facial features change a lot including noses

And its not just West Eurasian admixture. Dark skinned somalis and Ethiopians have thin pointy noses.

They had an entire racial theory for this back in the day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamitic

Its why Ethiopians and Somalis are put as "Caucasian" when the Germans started using that word

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

>>40029069
I agree. There are some people(not only black people) that may have a nose like this due to surgery, but I know hers isn't (if you go on her Instagram or Twitter and obviously see how she does her makeup) and again, I have met several African people without wideset nostrils. And you calling our noses chimpanzee(ish) really makes me doubt how attractive you actually find black women if you're comparing us to other primates. Of course I know we're apart of the primate family, but I have never seen that used as a compliment. And again, she could contour her nose, she obviously wears makeup and you could see the highlight on the bridge of her nose. Her look isn't impossible. Rare, but not impossible.

>>40029124

>Complete proteins

People still buy into this bullshit?

>>40029215
when it suits their lame argument of course they do

>>40029175
You're wasting your time with that guy. It's painfully obvious he likes being ignorant and just wanted an excuse to use racist memes some more.

>>40029215
>ignoring bioavailability and incomplete amino acid profiles because it's convenient for your cult

You're only cucking yourself senpai.

>>40028931
>i'm going to say its safe to assume that they are for humans too

If only clinical trials were that easy.

>>40029262

Could you show me some studies regarding the bioavailability of animal vs. plant proteins done on humans?

>>40029270
>A survey of naturally occurring plant-derived food sources with high Vitamin B12 contents suggested that dried purple laver (nori) is the most suitable Vitamin B12 source presently available for vegetarians. Furthermore, dried purple laver also contains high levels of other nutrients that are lacking in vegetarian diets, such as iron and n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids. Dried purple laver is a natural plant product and it is suitable for most people in various vegetarian groups.


bye

>>40028869
>>40028910
>>40028741
1. It doesn't matter; whether or not the source of b12 is 'natural' or not is irrelevant unless one enjoys commiting logical fallacies or something.
2. There is NO evidence that any natural source of bioavaliable (for humans) b12 exists.
2b). There is no evidence that it doesn't or cannot exist: we just haven't found anything yet. Maybe we'll find something some day. There's like one or two studies on some weird algaes that appear to have boosted b12 in mice. Not that it fucking matters because see 1.
3. Take your damn b12!!!

>>40028627
Seriously, my wife went vegan and refused to take supplements because 'muh natural lifestyle'. She become lethargic, went to the doctor and got a b12 presciption. Meanwhile I tried the same diet when she did it and had perfect results on my blood work because I TOOK MY GODDAMN SUPPLEMENTS.

I'd like to add, and perhaps you can confirm or expand on this, that some people lack the genetic ability to synthesise some polyunsatured fatty acids regardless of what they eat, and that supplements are therefore required there too. Personally I felt much better taking epa, dha and ala sups than eating the right stuff.

oops posted to wrong person: >>40029311 not meant for >>40028627

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>>40028643
>Seriously, my wife went vegan and refused to take supplements because 'muh natural lifestyle'. She become lethargic, went to the doctor and got a b12 presciption. Meanwhile I tried the same diet when she did it and had perfect results on my blood work because I TOOK MY GODDAMN SUPPLEMENTS.

I'd like to add, and perhaps you can confirm or expand on this, that some people lack the genetic ability to synthesise some polyunsatured fatty acids regardless of what they eat, and that supplements are therefore required there too. Personally I felt much better taking epa, dha and ala sups than eating the right stuff.

>>40029311
pretty much this, even if someone to were to synthesize b12 straight from the gut bacteria of a dead animal and put it in a supplement, that would still be 100 times healther than eating the flesh of the animal and dealing with the terrible effects that has on your body. animal protein is absolute shit for your health

>>40029309
>The results indicate that B12 in raw nori can be changed into harmful inactive B12 analogues by drying, and that dried nori decreases B12 status. Yamada et al. said that although dried nori cannot be used as a B12 source, in small amounts it is not harmful. However, they believe that raw nori is an excellent source of genuine B12. I disagree with their conclusion that raw nori is an excellent source of active B12. While eating raw nori, the subjects' uMMA levels increased 5%. While this was not enough of an increase to be statistically significant, it indicates that the raw nori did not improve B12 status (which would have required MMA levels to drop, rather than increase). This study showed that this batch of raw nori did not have enough inactive B12 versus active B12 analogue to be considerably detrimental, but it did not prove any benefit.
>While eating raw nori, the subjects' uMMA levels increased 5%.
>subjects' uMMA levels increased 5%.
>uMMA levels increased 5%.
http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/plant

Isn't that the opposite of what b12 should do?

>>40029175
>>40029251
nope, I actually appreciate that

thanks for the input, I was wholly unaware

>>40029199
yeah the chimp part was crude, sorry about that

>>40029215
>>40029296
JUST. FUCKING. EAT. MORE. PROTEIN.

Most dishes are designed to be complete proteins. Beans+rice are complete; chickpeas+rice also; hell even seitan has better texture and flavour with some mashed beans in there. Lentils are easier to digest and cook faster if you sprout them first, which also makes them a complete protein. You'd have to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to eat incomplete proteins.

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breakfast: oatmeal with strawberries and walnuts

lunch: black/kidney bean and sweet potato chili

dinner: brown lentils with collards, kale, and pumpkin seeds

peanut butter and apple for a snack

>>40029381
they probably weren't eating enough of it to make a difference

>>40029481
oh okay

>>40029296
>>40029296
Nah, I'm not going to spoofed you just so you can ignore the info to perpetuate your willfull ignorance. Every time somebody posts lots of links to prove a vegtard wrong, the post is ignored. See >>40028938

Not going to waste my time.

>>40028585
>The vegan diet is shit.
It's not a diet. A diet is what you eat, veganism is about what you don't eat - or rather what sources of nutrients you avoid. It says nothing about what one eats or doesn't at all. You can just drink vodka and eat cholocate and be vegan.

>>40026287
Vegans do sometimes, to a larger degree than omnivores at least, tend to be hippies who believe in pseudo-science and follow shitty dietary advice. Vegans who actually do their research, admit the flaws of their diet and then try to make up for them as far as possible through supplements or whatever else, are rare. Personally, I'm the only vegan I know that supplements with b12, iron, omega 3, certain amino acids (taurine and leucine mostly) AND eats extra protein to make up for the lower bioavaliability. My vegan friends all think I'm silly and taking it too far, despite me being the only one of us with no deficiencies, constant lethargy, or constant colds.

>>40029519
>It's not a diet. A diet is what you eat, veganism is about what you don't eat - or rather what sources of nutrients you avoid. It says nothing about what one eats or doesn't at all. You can just drink vodka and eat cholocate and be vegan.

You can't be this fucking retarded.

>>40029519

Iron isn't something you should need to supplement

>>40029519
sounds like you have shitty vegan friends. every vegan i know is knowledgeable about nutrition

>>40029333
as far as my knowledge goes (last time i updated myself on this topic specifically was mid 2016) the synthesizing process can be innefficient with some people, meaning you would have to eat large amounts of sometimes really expensive foodstuffs to get enough essential fatty acids out of it, which can also fuck up the rest of your diet.

so yeah, it is much easier with lots of people to just take the supplements, but i didn't want to go into it too much on my first post because everything nutrition related on /fit/ has to be written in such a way that no idiot can cherrypick from it and i wanted to make the main message of my post about b12.

>>40029561
>every vegan i know is knowledgeable about nutrition

Every vegan I know sucks dick, and she's my gf :3

>>40029561
that i personally know*

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>havent eaten meat for years

>get all of my b vitamins exclusively from breakfast cereals

>don't have to worry about the adverse health effects of eating animal flesh

>spend my morning having delicious reeses for breakfast while fags argue over appropriate b12 sources

>meat eaters get cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, gout, arthritis

>hardcore "natural" vegans eat some kale and a b12 pill

i'm winning

>>40029546
I understand most people call it a "diet", but it's really not in the normal sense. Just saying that I am "vegan" tells you nothing about what I actually eat or do not eat - all you can know is that I avoid animal sources of whatever I eat. I doesn't tell you whether I avoid sugar, for example, just that I avoid the sort that has been sugar bleached with cow bones.

Furthermore, "vegan" is a whole lifestyle where one does other things as well, like avoids wearing leather. Eating a plant based diet is only a part of what "veganism" is. I understand, again, that people misuse the term, but me using it correctly for once hardly makes me retarded...

>>40029550
Lower bioavalibility in plant sources. I take a vegan multivit anyway, it has some iron in there.

>>40029561
Oh yeah. And their eye-rolling and sighs when I try to talk to them about it is the worse, especially since all their health is shit and none of them exercise even a bit...

>>40029585
Thanx bro. Understand the reluctance...

>>40029609
>spend my morning having delicious reeses for breakfast while fags argue over appropriate b12 sources

Don't lie anon, you're clearly one of those fags too :^)

>>40029609
reeses are not vegan
the food coloring used in the filling is made out of the red lice lol

nice bait tho

>>40029609
>contains milk
>contains resinous glaze
>animal based food coloring
>vegan

wat

>>40029684
nope, i know there are literally assloads of perfectly suitable sources of b vitamins without having to touch touch any meat and without having to take any pills. and i even had reeses for breakfast. life is good

>>40029688
>>40029710
i never claimed to be vegan, fuckwits. i just said i don't eat meat and haven't for years. get some reading comprehension

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ITT: omnivores who started getting insecure about their eating habits

Just go vegan if you're going to project this hard.

>>40029729
>i never claimed to be vegan
So you still support the suffering of animals, you just don't pay for someone to murder them for you. You're worse than meatards.

>>40029729
>>hardcore "natural" vegans eat some kale and a b12 pill
>i'm winning

backpedaling after this lol

>>40029775
oh, no i literally don't care at all what happens to animals. i've killed a few domestic animals myself actually, even buried a cat alive
>>40029779
there's no backpedaling here, i'm laughing at both sides of the coin

Being vegan is arbitrary and stupid. If you want 'ethical' foods you will have to investigate each individual thing you eat. Growing plants and protecting them from wildlife is still killing animals, you know?

I have a flock of chickens back home. They eat whatever they like, roam freely (could leave if they wanted to) and have regularly cleaned shelter from the elements. Vegans legitimately try to convince me that eating their eggs (which would otherwise rot) will kill me and is unethical. Fucking morons.

>>40029851
hows that fedora collection coming along

>>40029936
not quite as well as your collection of guilt

>>40029851
What was her name anon? It's okay you can talk to me.

>>40029387
no problem

>>40029974
the cat? i didn't bother giving it a name
or were you insinuating that i'm upset over a girl?
my girl held the cat and stroked it while i dug the hole. we're a match made in heaven

>>40028337
You're the problem

>>40026282
Shooped

>>40026580
>Im attracted to features that are favourable in the environment my race occupied for thousands of years
No shit

>>40029546
It's true. Had to be vegan chocolate though. You can live off white bread and meth and still be vegan too.

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your vegan thread sucks op
somehow i have the perfect image for it though