Why do you still eat meat? Humans are clearly not supposted

>>40013824
We eat meat because we're omnivores.

desu im sick of meat but there is no way to actually meet protein needs as a vegan. all the vegan protein is tiny and cost inefficient. even eating insects are more cost efficient for protein, sorry bro

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>>40013824
fuck off

>>40013870
>Humans are clearly not supposted to eat meat due to the fact that we are herbivores because only herbivores can develop atherosclerosis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
>>40013874
Beans and legumes are very very cheap, I've made more gains being vegan than I have eating meat. As long as you get enough calories, you don't really have to focus too much on protein. Protein is overhyped by the supplement industry to make you buy their shitty protein powders. But hey if protein is a big deal to you, you can always buy super cheap vegetable based protein powders on amazon.

>>40013894
Don't fall for the meat-jew.

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>>40013824

>>40013874
>beans
>chickpeas
>soy
>nuts
>oats
>pasta
>seeds
>vegan protein powders

What now?

>>40013988
But it's not.

I would like to eat more legumes but they make me fart like nothing else -- and not enjoyable farts either.

>>40014050
Then eat something else goddammit whatever it takes

>>40013824
>Why do you still eat meat?
because humans are omnivores

>>40014001
all of those have much more fat than brotein

>>40014061
the only things on there that have any real amounts of fat are nuts and seeds

>>40013874
>only protein
Meat also increases test but w/e. Veganism is just the new world slave diet so there can only be lowtest cucks.

While most people on /fit/ would benefit from eating less meat, anyone who ignores the medicinal study of the benefits of fish, insects and fowl and irregular meat for a variety of benefits to human health is flat out batshit insane.

http://whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

>>40014031
Then you're an idiot.
>Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
"having characteristics of" is not equal to "are."

>>40014088
meat eaters have lower testosterone levels than vegans, breh

>>40014088
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
>Vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat-eaters

Actually meat nowadays are filled with hormones that actually lowers test, so no you are wrong.

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>>40013824
Because I like it. The supposed risks are worth it to me.

Also, you're a fucking faggot.

>>40014122
ONLY herbivores can develop atherosclerosis, humans can develop atherosclerosis, thus making us herbivores, not omnivores since they can NOT develop atherosclerosis.
Do you understand???

>>40013824
Because I don't give a shit about animals being tortured and I'm not a low test cuck.

>>40014133
You're an idiot.

>>40013869

How to get diabetes by eating meat? You'll get diabetes by eating a high carbs/sugar diet.

Enlighten me.

>>40014144
got him

>>40014145
you actually get diabetes from excess intramyocellular lipids from eating saturated fat (which is primarily found in animal products)

>>40014145
Saturated fats.

>>40014145
You are stupid.

>>40014098
But if one can get the same nutrients found in animal products from plants without the harm that animal products cause, wouldn't that make eating plants superior?

>>40014133
>Some vegetarian groups claim that since humans possess grinding teeth like herbivorous animals and longer intestines than carnivorous animals, this proves the human body is better suited for vegetarianism (122). This argument fails to note several human physiological features which clearly indicate a design for animal product consumption.

First and foremost is our stomach’s production of hydrochloric acid, something not found in herbivores. HCL activates protein-splitting enzymes. Further, the human pancreas manufactures a full range of digestive enzymes to handle a wide variety of foods, both animal and vegetable. Further, Dr. Walter Voegtlin’s in-depth comparison of the human digestive system with that of the dog, a carnivore, and a sheep, a herbivore, clearly shows that we are closer in anatomy to the carnivorous dog than the herbivorous sheep. (123)

While humans may have longer intestines than animal carnivores, they are not as long as herbivores; nor do we possess multiple stomachs like many herbivores, nor do we chew cud. Our physiology definitely indicates a mixed feeder, or an omnivore, much the same as our relatives, the mountain gorilla and chimpanzee who all have been observed eating small animals and, in some cases, other primates (124).

Learn to biology.

>>40014145
>>40014166
>>40014167
>>40014181
You're all retarded and wrong. There is no known cause for diabetes but cutting out processed foods including sugars and saturated fats is considered good protocol for treatment of Type 2 diabetes because it reduces bodyweight

There is no cure and the causes are still unknown, some fuckheads on an imageboard who read some blogs don't magically know more than multi billion dollar pharma research companies.

>>40014193
No, it'd make it equal. But that's not the case so it's a non argument.

>>40014205
Your mental retardation is over the line. Scale it back, dummy.

>>40014205
Or maybe multi billion pharma wants to stay multi billion so they tell people that there are no cure so they can sell their medications?

>>40014205
yes, multibillion dollar pharma research companies are super invested in a solution that is: don't take all these drugs we make; just stop eating meat and refined shit

>>40013897
Our body can break down and digest food sources from animals, you halfwit. That's why we're omnivores. It doesn't have anything to do with some people getting sick from it.

>>40014218
>>40014220
>>40014223
Then thanks for curing my Type 1 diabetes by going against all known medical data and studies of diabetes so far. Good work

>>40014233
>type 1
alright buddy

>>40014233
Type 1 is genetic, I'm talking about type 2.

If they find a way to make vat grown meat, I'll switch to that desu.

But until then...

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>>40014233
You only have yourself to blame, shithead.

>>40014230
and cats eat grass sometimes
I guess that makes them omnivores

>>40014245
That's already been done, just not cheap enough for the mainstream yet.

>>40014133
>ONLY herbivores

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1958245/

demonstrably wrong

>>40014249
What am I looking for here?

>>40014245
enjoy your igf-1 and cancer

>>40014247
Eating it doesn't make them omnivores. Their body is incapable of breaking down plant matter.

>>40014241
>>40014242
>>40014246
Not one of you identified which type of diabetes you meant because none of you have any idea what you're talking about.

Regardless, the same is true for all types- there is no known cause nor cure, merely factors which contribute like race, genetics, vitamin D levels, etc. This includes pregnancy diabetes. It's also widely accepted as generational, again excluding dietary explanations.

Diet is a factor for treatment of type 2, not cause. Please learn what you're talking about.

>>40014266
You should be euthanized.

>>40014266
we obviously know what we're on about. We didn't specify because it's unnecessary to in a discussion about reversing diabetes with diet.

you just went full pedantic because YOU don't know what you're on about, and so your only contribution is pedantry

because humans are stupid. Most of them don't ask questions, they just follow. Its sad I know but desu I don't give a fuck about another idiot dying off cancer or an heart attack. At least he could enjoy his untasty steak.

>>40014256
Read the article m8, don't just cherry pick ammunition for online arguments.

>>40014278
lol, not that guy, but why don't you just tell him what part he should be looking out for? Is it because you didn't read the article?

it's a bit much to say, "hey read this whole shit right now and get back to me immediately"

if you knew what he should be looking out for, surely there'd be no reason not to tell him, right?

>>40014123
Yeah thats why every vegan is a passive agressive cuck with high pitched voice right? No surprise that natural(if even) vegan bodybuilders like virgingains look like complete shit.
>>40014127
>vegans are the youngest
>surprised they have higher test
WOw really made my noggin' joggin.

>>40014278
No, you provide a source for your claims, then you are the one who is supposted to take out the evidence from your source, just like I did.

>>40014061
I'll give you a fat load full of brotein.

*unzips dick*

>>40014249
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1958245/

goddamn you are so stupid

>>40014290
I don't know why that is, but the science says they have higher test

>>40013824
I'd rather not grow vaginas all over my body

>>40014295
>I don't know why
I told you already. Its not a new thing about science having an agenda. All the hightest people I know and have seen elsewhere always eat meat. You can check and see the bodies of vegans how they are always scrawny and undeveloped.

>>40014299

so you rather like dick in your anus or mouth?

>>40014306
It's not bad.

>>40014304

but what agenda does this kind of science have? Is this made up by the salat king or the broccoliboy who is up to destroy us all?

Have you ever seen soneone say "Kids should eat more meat". No, because its fucking retarted to think meat is healthy in any way for a human.

If humans are herbivores, then how come I can digest meat?

Checkmate vegans.

>>40013824
>only herbivores can develop atherosclerosis

sounds like a good reason to go full meat

>>40014316
>but what agenda does this kind of science have?
I told you already. Dumbing down and making the population more weak. And feel free to tell me how you're going to have higher test when you can't get the natural zinc and creatine from meat?
>Kids should eat more meat
Because they might as well tell them to breath. Maybe you're living in a liberal shithole where its okay to transition at the age of 5 but meat is as mandatory is it get in any sane country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7m72mlvHMQ

>>40014337
lol

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK53561/

If our ancestors didn't eat cooked meat, we'd all still have brains similar to that of the chimpanzee. So, all vegans' brains are underdeveloped. Hence, OPs' retarded ass thread.

>>40014341

jesus fucking christ I'm so done with this board.

>>40014353
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK53561/

have you actually read that study? It says quite the opposite

>>40014354
It's not an isolated case, I'm afraid. The whole world has gone full blown pants on head retarded.

>>40013824
i dont. i still eat fish though. is it bad? enlighten me

>>40014353
>Because of A there is B so I conclude C.
Flawless logic Aristotle.

>>40013824
Goddamn vegans

>>40014372
vegan here; not OP
how about a compromise? how about dropping fish in favor of oysters?

they have all the benefits and less of the mercury
they also have a filtering influence on the oceans - it's likely the increased oyster farming would have a beneficial effect on the oceans

finally, they are almost guaranteed to be incapable of feeling pain, both because they don't have the neurological appartus, and because they aren't motile (and so pain would serve no evolutionary purpose)

>>40014398
plants feel pain

>>40014360
Does it?
>The human fossil record indicates that major changes in both brain size and diet occurred in association with the emergence of early members of the genus Homo between 2.0 and 1.7 mya in Africa. With the evolution of early H. erectus at 1.8 mya, we find evidence of an important adaptive shift—the evolution of the first hunting and gathering economy, characterized by greater consumption of animal foods, transport of food resources to “home bases,” and sharing of food within social groups. H. erectus was human-like in body size and proportions, and had a brain size beyond that seen in nonhuman primates, approaching the range of modern humans. In addition, the reduced size of the face and grinding teeth of H. erectus, coupled with its more sophisticated tool technology suggest that these hominids were consuming a higher quality and more stable diet that would have helped to fuel the increases in brain size. Consequently, while dietary change was not the prime force responsible for the evolution of large human brain size, improvements in dietary quality and increased consumption of dietary fat appear to have been a necessary condition for promoting encephalization in the human lineage.

>Associated with the evolution of our high-quality diet, humans developed distinct molecular pathways for detecting and metabolizing high-fat foods. We show preferences for foods that are rich in fat and energy. Key genetic mutations during later hominid evolution were critical to promoting the enhanced lipid metabolism necessary for subsisting on diets with greater levels of animal material. Moreover, accumulating evidence highlights the remarkable capacity of the human brain and sensory system for accurately assessing the energy content of potential food items.

>>40014405
lol
even if they did, you kill more plants by eating meat than you do by eating plants

>>40014398
i'll try oysters

>>40013897
I would go vegan, but I don't think I could give up milk. Been drinking that shit almost a gallon a day since I was a kid.

tl;dr: vegfags on suicide watch, the fact billions of humans eat meat everyday without experiencing instant death disproves their entire basis for argument.

The human body was not "designed" for anything. It's the way it is because, just like every other living thing on the planet, it has adapted abilities that have ensured its survival. We may have been small herbivorous mammals at one point but once we evolved into a larger animal we began to develop carnivorous traits because our bodies needed more than fucking leaves to maintain physical size. True evolution happens over millions of years, and since humans haven't been around that long we still have throwback traits of an herbivore long after adapting the ability to digest meat and survive on a carnivorous diet.

If for some reason there were only cheetos to eat for the next million years, organisms that could survive on cheetos alone would persist and thrive while the non cheeto eaters would die off forever. and there's still be one of you aresholes screaming that we're "designed" to eat cheetos.

>>40014353
The reason our brains developted was because of the higher amounts of calories we got from eating meat, not the meat itself.

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>>40013824
>only herbivores can develop atherosclerosis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2013639/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1911452/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-185X.1964.tb01163.x/full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1965.tb49433.x/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9389784/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4634814
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4161799
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/167808
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13547383
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0021915072900214
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021997505801264
http://www.nzg.ac.za/research/forms/wdi_eagle.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(62)90180-0/fulltext

>it shouldn't be a suprise to you
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/15/Alleged-Certainty

>>40014432
and yet you can live 100 years without meat. how long would you last with meat only?

>>40014133
Causation != Correlation

>>40013824
If we weren't able to digest any kind of meat, we wouldn't digest meat. Not to mention we have canines.

Not to mention vegetarians are huge faggots so why would anyone want to be one?

Plants feel pain (That's what happens when they emit a smell when you cut them. It's legit not just a joke) so you can't use animal abuse as an excuse, especially when people can source their meat from cruelty-free sources.

Chicken, buffalo, game meats are all great for human consumption. It's more domesticated animals like cows, pigs, that are harder for our bodies to digest.

We hunted when we were still primal. That's proof enough that we are not vegetarians, retard.

>>40014432
>true evolution happens over millions of years
meaningless
>we have adapted to eating meat
in direct contradiction to the thing you just said

not op; I don't care what we were "designed" to do. eating meat gives you cancer and atherosclerois; it's pretty much the worst human activity for the enviremont; it's wasteful and morally bankrupt.

these are the things I care about

>>40014432
But then we have heart disease, stroke and cancer which are all caused by diet being the top killers in the world, soooo.....

>>40014412
They actually do dumbass, do some research. Most plants are just helpless to do anything about it.

>>40014459
again, that's totally irrelevant, since eating meat causes the death of significantly more plants than just eating plants

>>40013824
Why do you want to live past 70? Have you ever deen anyone over 60 that's problem free? It's not like you'll stop aging.

>>40014459
why would an organism evolve pain if it is helpless to do anything about it?

the sole purpose of pain is to cause that organism to avoid or cease an activity

>>40014442

>he's assuming i'm advocating eating nothing but meat

what a dumbfuck. that's the problem with assholes like you, no compromise.

>>40014469
100 years old isn't old. Our bodies have the ability to live quite literally HUNDREDS of years old. But only when it is in a non toxic state. Anywho, YouTube "dr sebi fasting" and human body owners workshop manual. This knowledge is heavily suppressed.

>>40014479
you're trying to prove meat is good because it doesnt end in instant death. how i am supposed to debate with you?

>>40014453

lifespans have outgrown evolution, eventually evolution will catch up. what you are advocating literally holds back evolution. enjoy actively trying to weaken the human race, faggot.

>>40014446
Same to you, faggot

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>>40014435
>The reason our brains developted was because of the higher amounts of calories we got from eating meat, not the meat itself.
>developted

This is your brain on veganism.

>>40014498
No, not at all. Humans can live for hundreds of years when in a non toxic state.
The reason old people get these diseases is because their body is in a toxic state due to all the toxic food-like products they have been eating over the years.

Why is there so much vegan shilling now? My bet is that thanks to nu-males veganism become popular enough to allow corporations to make mad money with it, and thus they send their shills here to get more people to buy their shit. I can stand vegetarians because they either truly care about animals or simply don't like the taste of meat, whereas vegans act like the KKK of food

>>40014510
300 year old vegan here, can confirm

>>40014501
I typed fast and english isn't my native language, typos happen buddy.

>>40014526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k6NrrXbTpU

>>40014517
>truly care about animals
>actively participate in their rape and murder

>>40014517
>now

you must be new here

We've had meme diet threads every day since the board was created

>>40014517
Adding that some vegetarians become that way because they just don't have the enzymes to digest meat to begin with (One of my friends in high school was like this. Meat would make him throw up, whether it was from a good source or not, no matter what kind of meat it was).

Basically vegetarians for the most part aren't too preachy where as vegans are fucking retarded about it and try to act like humans eating meat is a new thing lmfao

CAUSE ITS SO FUCKING GOOD. TO EAT FLESH OF ANOTHER THING, THATS FOKKEN ALPHA MATE

>>40014540
>this is your brain on an omnivorous diet

>>40014530
fuck off I am not gonna drink piss

>>40014527
The typo is funny, but not half as funny as the attempt to mitigate the omnivorous tendencies that lead to humans developing larger more effective brains.

>>40014550
Hey, don't copy me, shitstain.

>>40014278
>>40014290
>>40014291

Literally 2 minutes of skimming (on a phone!) and I found it. It's under "Diet" on page 504 to 505. Did you even LOOK at the article? Please never come back, especially
>>40014288

>>40014562
he's right, though
it wasn't meat per se, but the calories within meat.
getting enough calories isn't an issue in 2017

>>40013824
Troll thread.

Humans are omnivores. We have large brains precisely because one of our ancestory species began scavenging meat. The extra calories enabled brain growth.

Human teeth reflect this ancestral shift to omnivorous eating.

>>40013824
>He thinks a diet that restricts easily absorbable, nutrient dense foods is better than a diet that includes it.


Sure, vegan diet is doable but its not superior in any way. And shows NO benefit over a healthy diet which includes meat and organs.

And if we were herbivores our stomach would look different, our gut flora and GI system would be different and we would be able to process fibre, which is cellulose. without it you barely get energy from vegetables.

Saying were herbivores is stupid. There is no evidence for it.

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>be me
>hate meatheads who blab about muh evolution, muh protein, muh canine teeth, etc. and are areseholes in general
>hate veganfags who blab about muh cancer, muh natural diet, muh molar teeth, etc. and are areseholes in general
>just fallacies, insults and people who have skimmed through biased research on both sides
>eat mostly plants but also rope-grown bivalves (no bottom trawling) and small amounts of egg/dairy/honey but only from local, small-scale farms that treat animals with respect
>optimal nutrition, optimal from an ethical standpoint, optimal for the environment
>veganfags hate me for not being vegan enough
>meatheads hate me for being too vegan
>fuck this gay earth and fuck threads like these...

>>40014568
It was the meat, though.
Hunter gatherer groups couldn't have cultivated the crops with the necessary properties to allow such exponential brain growth. We know this, because it didn't fucking happen.

>>40014247
They do that to vomiy

>>40014598
but it does show an advantage

the adventist 2 study compared health conscious vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores

>>40014598
Lmao how can a diet consisting of disease promoting foods be superior health wise?
You really don't have a fucking clue of what you're talking about.

>>40014602
I like u

>>40014127
Most studies which compare vegan to non vegan diets compare a population with a larger % of health aware individuals(vegans) vs the worst diet (the average western diet)

However when you compare vegans to people with a healthy, normal diet. Like the mediterranean diet the vegans show no benefits over the non-vegan diet.

>>40014612
the necessary property was calories
and hunter gatherers by definition don't cultivate crops

>>40014475
It could be engineered by a cruel and capricious superior intelligence. That's the only way for it to exist if we want to accept how evolution works. Even vestigial capacity to feel pain (from an earlier evolutionary stage that was motive) would not survivie for long since it's a waste of energy.

>>40014459
They can signal each-other, but calling this "pain" is an overstatement.

>>40014598
Vegans have the lowest rates of ALL diseases, lowest rates of obesity, lowest rate of mortality.
It should be a no brainer that a whole foods plant based diet is the healthiest diet one can follow.

>>40014630
EXACTLY

>>40014629
A diet consisting of animal products (saturated fats and cholesterol), that promotes cancer, diabetes, stroke and heart disease is by no means healthy.

>>40014620
see>>40014629

>>40014634
Because most people who are vegan or vegetarian are already eating with their body in mind where as most meat eaters are fatasses to begin with. You can't use that statistic without cutting out the amount of meat eaters who AREN'T health conscious.

Not to mention vegans have to take many supplements and shit so obviously you're getting the right balance of vitamins and minerals needed to keep your immune system up. This is all achievable with a meat-eating diet too.

>>40014646
except that's not true of the adventist 2 study

>>40014649
The only supplement that vegans have to take is B12, which is supposted to be in our soil but due to the "beneficial" chemical sprayings to the atmosphere , the minerals that are supposed to be present in the food and water supply simply aren't there

>>40013824
>implying

Joke's on you, I'm a dragon using a human form.

>>40014661
dragonborn
it is an honor

>>40014661
NEVER SHOULD'VE COME HERE

>>40014643
>>40014634

Then why do all the blue sones in the world eat meat and organs? The populations with the highest % of people living above 100 years.

THe problems with msot of the studies is that they compare a vegan diet vs the worst diet.

Liek the china study were they found the assosiation between meat and cancer. But didnt exclude the factors that people who eat lots of meat often tend to be obese, eat no vegetables, doesnt exercise.

When you equate for those factors then there is no correlation between meat and cancer.
https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/

>>40014450
Plants emit a smell (like onions) due to a chemical reaction when they're cut - normally, enzymes like alliinases are kept separate. When cell walls are broken, the components mix resulting in creation of volatile compounds. Nothing to do with pain.

>>40014692
You see, cancer thrives in an acidic environment, and meat is highly acidic, thus eating meat increases cancer risk.

>>40014725
Yeah, you got to be a troll.

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>>40014732

>>40014739
The acidity level is highly regulated in our bodies. youre taking stuff completely out of context. A small change in acidity will have a huge imact on proteins and processes in our bodies.

>>40014725
But I inject marijuana so it cures the cancer

>>40014739
It is frequently misreported that Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize for finding that cancer cannot live in an oxygen rich or alkaline environment.

What Warburg discovered and what he was awarded a Nobel Prize for was for simply making the discovery that low oxygen was characteristic of cancer cells.

Lack of oxygen is not the prime cause of cancer − toxins are the prime cause of cancer. It is the cancer process itself which causes most of the lack of oxygen, not the lack of oxygen which causes the cancer process.

In his later years Otto Warburg became convinced that illness resulted from pollution. This is in line with the findings of the late great French scientist Antoine Bechamp who believed that illness is the result of a combination of toxins and an unhealthy cellular terrain.

Since the beginning of the industrial age, man has created over 100,000 unnatural chemical compounds. These are now in the air we breathe, the soil our plants are grown in, and the water we drink.

Providing the body with extra healthy oxygen is still highly beneficial. The trick with trying to beat cancer with oxygen is getting the oxygen inside the cells.

Extra oxygen as well as a healthy alkaline diet are both very healthy things to do, but it is the author’s strong belief that relying solely on either oxygen or increased pH to beat cancer is not advisable.

This thread gave me cancer.

>>40014631
Engineered? Boy, you're out of your mind.
Pain very simply allows an organism to avoid directly harmful activities and learn what they shouldn't do - like a kid that put his hand on a hot stove.

>>40014772
That's exactly the point! You want to keep your body NOT having to over regulate all the acidicy, that's where diseases come in.

>>40014811
Yeah that was a joke... Only way an organism that doesn't move could feel pain is if a cruel god or alien designed it so - no natually evolved being could ever wind up that way unless our understanding of evolution is completely wrong (and it isn't). I was agreeing with you in a humorous way.

>>40014806
>Extra oxygen as well as a healthy alkaline diet are both very healthy things to do
Exactly what I'm saying. Alkaline foods are extremely healthy and have plenty of cancer-fighting properties, it's not just the pH level itself that battles the cancer but the nutrients comming from the healthy alkaline foods.

All acidic foods also happens to be unhealthy foods, meat, eggs, dairy, pasta, rice etc. with no nutritional value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k6NrrXbTpU

>>40013824
I would eat humans if it was not illegal. If it makes you feel any better I would prey on vegans mostly, because they are weak betas that no one would miss.

>>40014874
>Liver detoxification takes a big hit when you don’t get enough high quality protein. Phase 2 liver detoxification is driven by amino acids (the building blocks of proteins). Long-term vegan diets tend to impair liver detoxification pathways leading to toxicity. According to Dr. Ray Peat, PhD, “Protein deficiency itself contributes to the harm done by toxins, since the liver’s ability to detoxify them depends on adequate nutrition, especially good protein.”

What you're saying is that you're blinded by your bias. Now, go back and read this entire thread, including all the links so that you can get a decent grasp as to what it is that you're selling.

>>40014957
What? Who said that you couldn't get protein on a vegan diet?

>>40014602
>>40014628
Nobody likes you.

>>40013824
http://www.theladbible.com/funny/awesome-woman-refused-swiss-passport-for-being-an-annoying-vegan-20170111

Based Switzerland

>>40014974
>Most animal sources of protein, such as meat, poultry, fish, eggs, and dairy, deliver all the amino acids your body needs, while plant-based protein sources such as grains, beans, vegetables, and nuts often lack one or more of the essential amino acids.

I actually hope that I'm being trolled. Vegans can't really be this fucking stupid.

>>40014988
Hey fuck you too, sweet pea.

>>40014442
Ask the Eskimos

>>40015023
That is false, pretty much every plant have a complete amino acid profile. Don't fall for that myth.

>>40014874
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27882862
>The most recent evidence suggested that intake of milk and dairy products was associated with reduced risk of childhood obesity. In adults, intake of dairy products was shown to improve body composition and facilitate weight loss during energy restriction. In addition, intake of milk and dairy products was associated with a neutral or reduced risk of type 2 diabetes and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, particularly stroke. Furthermore, the evidence suggested a beneficial effect of milk and dairy intake on bone mineral density but no association with risk of bone fracture. Among cancers, milk and dairy intake was inversely associated with colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, gastric cancer, and breast cancer, and not associated with risk of pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, or lung cancer, while the evidence for prostate cancer risk was inconsistent. Finally, consumption of milk and dairy products was not associated with all-cause mortality.

If you think meat is a couse then look at>>40014692
And eggs are perfectly fine. Both milk and eggs are high nutritious foods. And in no way bad for you

>>40015094
False false false. Bought and paid for study.
>In addition, intake of milk and dairy products was associated with a neutral or reduced risk of type 2 diabetes and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, particularly stroke
Dairy contains high amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, saturated fats and cholesterol causes type 2 diabetes, heart disease and stroke.

>>40015094
Eggs is the food that contains the most cholesterol of all foods, extremely shit for ingestion.
Since dietary cholesterol raises LDL cholesterol, eating eggs increases the risk for heart disesae and stroke.

Are you telling me my ancestors lived only eating grains? We have like three months of warmth and only one harvest can be done a year.
On the other hand we have no shortage of water and there is unlimited amount of grass.
That grass is collected and fed to animals because only people like OP would eat the grass and not the animals. OP is a gigantic faggot.

>>40015113
Troll/10

no serious vegan would argue the way you do. Using every oldschool, outdated myth about diets.

>>40015150
Sorry, but it's a fact that dietary cholesterol raises LDL cholesterol.

>>40014205
Why would a phrama research company be interesting in the cause of a disease? They just want to treat it...

>appendix

Vegan protein sources are either incomplete shit proteins with garbage bioavailability or estrogen boosting complete proteins that give you gyno.

>>40015113
>>40015169

you did even read it
>This review aimed to assess the scientific evidence mainly from meta-analyses of observational studies and randomised controlled trials, on dairy intake and risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, cancer, and all-cause mortality.
>meta-analyses of observational studies and randomised controlled trials
That isnt one studies, but all of them done on milk within this topic.

Thats not one study. thats all studies done on milk within this topic

>>40015127
>>40015113
>>40015169
http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(11)00314-5/abstract
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
saturated fats, in case your going to use that old myth as an argument too

eggs:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21134328
>These results suggest that a high-protein energy-restricted diet high in cholesterol from eggs improved glycaemic and lipid profiles, blood pressure and apo-B in individuals with type 2 diabetes.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/1/187.full
>Furthermore, evidence has been presented showing that the current blanket recommendations regarding dietary cholesterol and egg intake are unwarranted for the majority of people and are not supported by scientific data

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>>40015093
>Don't fall for that myth.
OK

>>40015091
"Excluding infant mortality, about 25% of their population lived past 60. Based on these data, the approximate life expectancy (excluding infant mortality) of this Inuit population was 43.5 years."
Sounds like they are doing amazing living to the ripe age of 43.5, sound like that meat diet is working great for them
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/mortality-and-lifespan-of-inuit.html

>>40015230
Wrong, plant protein does in fact have a complete amino acid profile, it's a myth that they don't.
I do agree however that soy is shit and shouldn't be consumed.

>>40015249
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469
replacing 60% of saturated fats by other fats and avoiding 60% of dietary cholesterol would reduce blood total cholesterol by about 0.8 mmol/l (that is, by 10-15%)

Nearly 400 dietary experiments don't lie dude.

>>40015305
Keep in mind these are metabolic ward experiments which are the most accurate studies in nutrition because they can control everything including every gram of food these people can control and guess what
when people consume saturated fat their cholesterol goes up

>>40015230
You can mix 'em, you know? Like beans and rice, together they have a complete amino acid profile. Everyone should eat that stuff, vegan or not.

>>40015328
I agree, but your study is about lowering cholestrol. Not the health impact it has on the body.

http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(11)00314-5/abstract
>Results and conclusions about saturated fat intake in relation to cardiovascular disease, from leading advisory committees, do not reflect the available scientific literature.

>>40014487
Wtf...Please describe this ideal "non toxic state".

>>40015502
No mucoid plaque, you fast regularly, don't consume toxic foods (you only eat natural foods, non gmo and non hybrid), drink distilled water, urine theraphy etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k6NrrXbTpU&list=LLyemvlBPBIZ0kyYoRk5KiXQ&index=1

>>40014133
If we were herbivores we wouldn't even be able to digest meat.

>>40015532
Not quite true, meat goes ransid in the digestive tract. Our bodies really have a hard time digesting it.

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>>40015093
>>40015276
Proof of this being a myth? I can't find any.

>>40013824
A few hundred thousand years ago we might of been herbivores but we clearly aren't anymore. Carbohydrates are the most damaging macro-nutrient, causing glycation, diabetes and being incredibly easy to gorge on.

Humans are at their peak eating a high fat, high protein and low carb diet.

>>40015527
>Healthcare is secretly committing genocide and is going to kill you!
What the fuck is this guy selling?

>>40015527
youre retarded. We cant live hundreds of years long no matter what you do. Becuase of our biology. It slowly breaks down as you age because it very rarely does mistakes when making cells. Which is why you get wringles and get older. Diet and exercise affects how fast or slow it happens, but not NEARLY to the extent you claim.

>>40015527
Please tell me you don't actually follow this shit. I'm not going to watch the hour long hippie science video. Drinking distilled water is bad for you since there are no natural minerals in it and thus runs straight through you. Humans have been using GMOs since the discovery of agriculture and nothing has changed in our health because of it. Mucoid plaque is apparently a pseudoscience buzzword for toxins in the body so I'm not even going to touch that one. Fasting is the only thing that has actually been proven to help you out of that list.

Also, 100 is old for humans considering it's a miracle that most of us made it past childhood for most of our existence. Eating miracle food and living in a "non toxic" environment doesn't stop the wear and tear on our bodies that causes aging. I highly suggest you do more research when people try to sell you miracle advice.

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>>40013824
You are a retard who either did not read or could not comprehend this article. Your greater display of stupidity however, actually comes from the fact that the idiot who wrote your idiot article has been refuted at least a dozen times. In fact while researching this retarded position it turns out that he very carefully worded his argument so that gullible faggots like you would agree with him, nod your stupid little heads, and run off to tell your friends.

It's a goddamn shame that you have so much information technology available to you yet are still about as dumb as a rock. I would say "do not breed" but vegan spawn come out sickly so... please do. When we finally get around to Vegan Hate threads we will need some original content

>>40015638
Distilled water is pure water. The minerals you're talking about is inorganic minerals, the minerals our bodies need is organic minerals.

>>40014132
Why do you give a shit

>>40015581
>Humans are at their peak eating a high fat, high protein and low carb diet.
no

>>40015673
There is no scientific data saying inorganic minerals have any negative effect on your body.

>>40015581
>Humans are at their peak eating a high fat, high protein and low carb diet.

If thats true then why do all the places where they have the highest % of people above 100 a high carb diet? closely resembling the mediterranean diet

>>40015673
http://all-about-water-filters.com/benefits-and-dangers-of-drinking-distilled-water-regularly/

The cons far outweigh the pros.

>>40014145
>meat eaters are actually this stupid

>>40015631
No, that's what you have been lead to believe, but it's simply not true. People get diseases and get weak when they are "old" because they have been eating and living like shit their entire lifes.

>>40015843
Pls be troll

>>40014193
Only if you care about the harm caused.

>>40015880
Not sure if you caught that I was talking about harm to ourselfes, because in that case plants indeed are superior since they don't harm us.

>>40015843
Youre either delusional, mentally challenged or extremely naive becuase you have no idea how human biology works.

The best diets are whats eating by the "blue zones" where most people live above 100.

But you will NEVER make it past 120 unless you use some undiscovered genetic engineering procedure.
The body isnt a perfect machine which doesnt do mistake and is only limited by diet. And youre not even including exercise which have a WAY bigger health impact on our health than diet. A good diet only takes you back to your normal, healthy state. Exercise can make it better.

>>40015928
No they eat plenty of hybrid foods which are bad for ingestion since they create mucoid plaque.
The best diet isn't eaten by a certain type of people, the best diet is eaten by a handful of people with extremely good knowledge on the matter, Dr. Sebi before he was murdered for an example, and people following his teachings.

>>40015965
Im sorry, but if you trully believe that people can live several hundreds years then you should go to a medical school or ask a doctor why the body breaks down as it ages.
Because its stupid. Its dumber than girls who think they will become XBOX HUEG from touching heavy weights.

>>40015985
And then you go to these "medical doctors" who eat animal products, gmo's and hybrids... what a joke

>>40013824
why is everyone so defensive about eating meat
it could take years off my life, and i would still eat meat bc it tastes fucking great

>>40013824
I assume I will only live once
>yolo
So I have to enjoy life to its fullest, it of course involves eating the best tasting food on the planet: meat.

>>40016178
>>40016193
selfish reasons

>>40013824
>doing what you're supposed to
what a loser lmao

>>40013824
>Humans are clearly not supposted to eat meat
And you not supposed to be a faggot but here we are

>>40016244
>muh poor animuls

>beans
>soy
That shit increases estrogen, why do you think all asian men are so small?

>pasta
>5 gram per 100 gram
wew, i could go on

>>40014874
>All acidic foods
What about citrus fruits? Are they magic?

>>40016244
Of course it's selfish, you fuckwit. You only eat to sustain yourself.

>>40016292
chickpeas are great, yeah soy is shit but still better than eating meat

lentils and beans hella protein rich, and u could eat oats, peanut butter etc

>>40014874
>Alkaline diets alter urine pH but do not change systemic pH.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22081694

>>40013824
> only herbivores can develop indigestion

I hate vegan pseudoscience with a passion

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9389784

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12892299

https://www.libertariannews.org/2015/09/11/refuting-the-idea-that-humans-must-be-herbivores-because-only-herbivores-get-atherosclerosis/

>>40016328
That's the fucking point dude. You want your body to have a stable pH, you don't want it to work overtime trying to keep your pH stable.

>>40016343
atherosclerosis, not indigestion*

point stands, you skinnyfat fuccboi. L E A V E

>>40016296
Dr Sebi approved fruits

Apples
Bananas – the smallest one or the Burro/mid-size (original banana)
Berries – all varieties- Elderberries in any form – no cranberries
Cantaloupe
Cherries
Currants
Dates
Figs
Grapes- seeded
Limes (key limes preferred with seeds)
Mango
Melons- seeded
Orange (Seville or sour preferred, difficult to find)
Papayas
Peaches
Pear
Plums
Prickly Pear (Cactus Fruit)
Prunes
Raisins –seeded
Soft Jelly Coconuts
Soursops – (Latin or West Indian markets)
Tamarind

>>40016347
By that logic you shouldn't eat a diet of only alkaline foods, rather balance it out with acidic foods.

But you're wrong either way, go eat a tub of sodium bicarbonate faggot.

>>40016359
>Dr Sebi
https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/sebi.html

>>40016369
Doesn't work that way buddy.

>>40016422
not an argument
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodborneIllnessContaminants/CausesOfIllnessBadBugBook/ucm122561.htm

Notice how a lot of the foods you listed as alkaline have a pH less than 7

>>40016359
>Dr Sebi

if one doctor says something and the whole of medical community says otherwise then its most likely bullshit.
This isnt a new idea. Its old and there is pretty much no evidence for it.

>>40016497
Almost ALL of those foods are HYBRID = unhealthy

>>40016557
okay pal

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>>40013869
10/10 bait

>>40013824
I'd rather die than be a vegan.

>>40016644
Be my guest

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>>40014438
>OP gets hilariously, entirely blown the fuck out
>just ignores the comment

Every fucking vegan thread without fail. If you don't bother to prove them wrong, they say "hur where du linkz do". If you do, they just ignore you.

>>40016791
and then even if you do provide them with tons of scientific data, they just default to:

> muh animulz
> muh environment
> muh anecdotal envidence

>>40014145
Do not believe the trolls. I do have actual T1D and the only thing that will make you get T2D is genetic predisposition, a diet with a lot of fast acting carbs (soda, candy, ice cream, etc) or from old age.

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>>40016936
The fact that this nut is saying you can live hundreds of years shows he has zero interest in science or fact.

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>>40016352

See >>40014438 you lying dumb fuck vegan.

>>40013824
If this is true how do you explain the fact that all of the worlds most well known bodybuilders and strongmen do not exclusively eat a vegan or vegetarian diet? You cannot get to their level unless you eat meat.

>>40014692

>Liek the china study were they found the assosiation between meat and cancer. But didnt exclude the factors that people who eat lots of meat often tend to be obese, eat no vegetables, doesnt exercise.


You don't understand how observational studies are conducted.

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>>40015094

This group of totally impartial researchers came to that conclusion? Very surprising and unexpected.

>>40015249

>http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(11)00314-5/abstract

Response letter: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/response-to-hoenselaar-from-pedersen-et-al/252C84A4AAE93D884199E93E5C04F88B

>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract

Response letter: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/2/458.full.pdf

If you're going to take such fringe views on nutrition, at least research it more thoroughly.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21134328
>energy-restricted diet improved glycaemic and lipid profiles etc

"As part of an energy-restricted diet" is the key phrase. Replace egg with ice cream, pizza, french fries, etc and you'd get the same results, because it's the weight loss that provides health benefits. These authors funded by the Australian Egg Corporation knew full well that weight loss improves bloodwork, and used that to get the results they wanted.

>http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/1/187.full
>evidence... are unwaranted.... and are not supported

"K.L.H. is a recipient of an American Egg Board/Egg Nutrition Center pre-doctoral fellowship; M.L.F. has received funding from the American Egg Board."

Well no shit food industry shills would say that evidence against the food they're selling should be ignored.

>>40015560

Go to http://nutritiondata.self.com/ and type in any food, look at amino acids

>>40017962
OK. this is not proof of a myth. It only proves that
>Most animal sources of protein, such as meat, poultry, fish, eggs, and dairy, deliver all the amino acids your body needs, while plant-based protein sources such as grains, beans, vegetables, and nuts often lack one or more of the essential amino acids.
not that the former statement is a myth. While SOME plants have all essential amino acids, it isn't MOST and sure as fuck isn't ALL.

>>40013824

Ovo-lacto vegetarian here, been about 2 weeks (christmas) it's not so bad but I wouldn't mind a steak dinner once in awhile.

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>>40013874

Pic related has 15g protein per 85g serving size. It's just regular spaghetti, tastes like any other spaghetti I've had.

Black bean spaghetti is even better, but i dont care for it much.

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>>40018697
STOP BEING REASONABLE YOU FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>40018574

It absolutely is proof.

>While SOME plants have all essential amino acids, it isn't MOST and sure as fuck isn't ALL.

Yes, all plants have all essential amino acids. Like I said, look up any food and you can see on the right side that all essential amino acids are present. Ironically, the only common protein that is actually missing an essential amino acid is gelatin, an animal protein.

>>40014425

I'm vegetarian and I eat eggs and milk.

I just don't eat anything with a face.

>>40018751
>not eating pussy

>>40014459
Holy shit you're a fucking idiot.

Plants don't have a central nervous system, they don't have neurons, they don't have nucleus or pain receptors. How fucking dense can you possibly be?

Please recover and say that this was all bait

>>40018729
>dry serving

What's the kcal to proton ratio?

>>40014517

When was the last time you saw a commercial for an onion or asparagus?

>>40014435
Do you think fat people are smarter than average?

>>40014540

Ya, but meat consumption fucks up the planet

>>40013824
>shit-tier veganism trolling
Go back to >>>/b/ and lurk moar, OP, you're clearly not ready for /fit/.

>>40013824

Would you be open to eating lab grown meats if they became more readily available?

>>40018819

>eating dick

>>40016343

He should have clarified to mean under normal circumstances. Any species can develop atherosclerosis if their cholesterol is elevated. But, as in your cited examples, carnivorous and omnivorous animals like cats and dogs only have this happen when, in the first example with the cat, they have a genetic disorder, or in the second example with the dogs, they have hypothyroidism (can also be induced experimentally by giving thyroid-weakening drugs or surgically removing the thyroid gland). For normal members of those species, they don't see changes in their cholesterol when they eat animal fat/cholesterol.

On the other hand, the increase in circulating cholesterol and the accompanying development of atherosclerosis after eating these things is normal for members of herbivorous species like rabbits and rhesus monkeys. If you feed egg yolks to a rabbit, it will develop atherosclerosis even if its thyroid gland is perfectly functioning and without having to select one that has a cholesterol-related genetic disorder. Humans are like herbivores in this regard.

>>40014510
pls be joking pls be joking pls be joking pls be joking pls be joking pls be joking

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>>40018833

I had some for dinner last night with Alfredo sauce and parmasian

Its made with quinoa and 4 other similar grains that I've never heard about. I bought a few boxes for $2.50 each (canada)

>>40018950

Fuck, photos sideways, sorry bro

>>40018934

He's probably just an idiot, but the mean lifetime of vegetarians vs meat eaters is substantially different, with vegetarians living ~15 years longer.

>>40014874
Please change the pH of your blood; you'll do us all a favor and take your pseudoscience with you into your grave

>>40013824
Wrong. We evolved to eat both meat and plants.
If you think about it, back before we were organized hunters and gatheres, we probably were scavangers eating fruit, vegetables, smaller prey, and carcasses.
Feast vs Famine.
We evolved and adapted for consuming these forms of living energy since, you know, we aren't so different from the shit we eat.

>>40015965
You probably don't have telomeres do you? And a grade in a science.

>>40018827
Nervous system I something unique to highly evolved creatures like us.
Plants have their own system. How does a fly trap know a fly is stuck on it? It has its own form of senses to perceive the world and survive in it. Just because it doesn't have a nervous system similar to what humans have doesn't mean it isn't intelligent and feeling.

>>40019016

We evolved the ability to eat both, but that doesn't really tell us what foods are good or bad for us. Of course if your goal is to just get enough calories to survive and reproduce, then any food that isn't immediately toxic is worth adding to your diet. Thousands of years later, when deciding what foods we should eat to ensure our long-term health, it's not that easy.

>>40014291

>"I don't want to educate myself on an idea that differs from mine so you have to give me the cherry picked verses without any background or context."

>>40018975
Because vegetarians mind what they eat and many non-thinking fat fucks eat meat. When performing statistics on these different groups you need to control for those variables.

>>40019052

> How does a fly trap know a fly is stuck on it?

Do you think the fly trap goes "mmm, a tasty fly!" and snaps down in it like a cartoon?

http://scienceline.org/2010/03/how-does-a-venus-flytrap-work/

>>40019052
Bacteria can also sense their environment, so please stop with using antibiotics, those poor little guys....

>>40014398
How about I don't compromise on something as simple as diet and eat both?
Fucking faggots. Is this the future of humanity?
>don't eat fish because they feel pain. Boohoo poor Nemo and Dory I don't want to hurt them they're such majestic and intelligent creatures

More for the rest of the sane population.

You need meat, you just need more veggies. Not soy, though, that shit turns you gay.

>>40019226

you don't need meat though

>>40014260
>cancer
You already have a pretty fair chance from eating any type of meat, not vegan just saying

>>40018950
Damn that ratio is shit, but I guess it'd be ok for a higher proton carb source to go with some meat. Where'd you get it?

>>40018975
>SAD compared to vegetarians are less healthy

Why are vegtards pretending this is surprising? Nobody is defending SAD.

>>40019337
>pretty fair chance

Wrong.

>>40019376
>wrong
Thanks for providing reason one, but many red meats and processed meats and even your lambs and other assorted meats are assorted into group 1 carcinogens and combined with a sedenatary lifestyle can add onto that. Besides that, there are many attributable factors that can lead to a increased cancer risk, but if you wanna deny everything and praise meat as the almighty nutritional factor, go ahead.

>>40018883

You're legitimately retarded. Not being mean, I'm just genuinely interested in your wellbeing.

Spend less time on the internet.
Spend more time outside

That's something we should all do. After reading this thread, I think I can say we're all at a higher risk of cancer and spontaneous brain hemorrhage.

>>40019243
You do to poor your brain.

>>40019599

Why would you want to poor your brain?

>>40019431
processed meats are group 1, red group 2. White and fish aren't faggot.

>>40019690
>actually caring about group 2

There's so much everyday normal shit in group 2. Vegans only care about meat because muh amimuls fee fees.

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Citation 2, pic related

Would be interested in reading citation 1 since I can't find it anywhere and it is just recited in Robo's own citation in pic related.

Really convincing....

>>40019865
>weak citation.png

>>40019895
no shit, hence why I want to read ref 1. Which by the title "An Anthropologic Theory" doesn't fill me with hope for Rob's argument.

>>40019865

This guy has been the editor-in-chief of the American Journal of Cardiology for over 30 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Roberts

>>40019938
So what? I want to read citation 1. I couldn't give a fuck about his credentials