Karate or taekwondo /fit/?

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>>40011458
Rex Kwon Do

>>40011458
None
Brazilian jujitsu beats both

>>40011486
Oh look, it's the BJJ fag again. Okay dude cool we get it, you watch UFC and think that Joe Rogan is the shit, while you get high off his podcasts and daydream about getting into street fights so you can show off you're 3 lessons of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Cool dude cool.

>>40011458
Tbh wrestle and box or do one or the other but if there's a wrestling club or some sort of bjj club you'd be better off with that since most dudes don't know what they're doing when it comes to fighting on the ground

>>40011579
I'm only saying that because I've done both of those and enjoyed doing them more than the karate I took when I was a lad

Karate if you want to
>be a performer
>break bones the way only a jackass can
>practice a ridiculous martial art

Taekwondo if you want to
>be a performer
>literally kick the shit out of people
>be flexible as fuark (no homo)
>looks like a dumbass in a streetfight until you kick their jawbone off

>>40011498
Have you seen all the fucking videos in youtube of karate and taek fags get fucking destroyed by bjj and shaolin martial arts?

>>40011468

BOW TO YOUR SENSAI!

>>40011631
No

>>40011458
Shorinji Kenpo

>>40011458
Muay thai for practicality

>>40011458
Kyokushin karate is pretty decent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wOIzDxzwcI

TKD is for literal faggots

>>40011458
as a man who comes from tkd, it is in my very biased opinion that either is fine, they both have strengths and weaknesses. [spoiler]tkd is better though.[/spoiler] you should also consider adding in a grappling art after you get used to the striking art to balance your style out.

>>40011591
Don't forget rusty knees at age 30

Also, I don't find that TKD guys are all that flexible.

Hahaha. Neither.
Go mui thai. If that's how to spell it.

>>40011458
Neither you fucking autist. Do boxing, kickboxing or muay thai and bjj or wrestling.

Karate is a meme, taekwondo is an even bigger meme.

theyre both good places to leave your children for a couple of hours

>>40012324

Taekwondo is a bullshit sport that has zero real world application, as a display and Olympic sport it is appealing but you could not do shit with it in a real world situation given 99/100 environments you will be fighting in.

t. 12 years of muay thai + boxing, you're a fucking idiot if you think any seasoned fighter will tell you otherwise.

Judo desu senpai

Or BJJ

Better cardio, more practical, more fun to compete in

>>40012410
Tell that to Wonderboy, Machida, GSP, and McGregor.

You should let these top tier fighters know that they should stop practicing memes. That you, some random cheeto fingered cunt, has a sub-casual knowledge on these martial arts, yet still feels qualified to give an opinion.
Never mind their mastery of distance control and kicking. Take this guys advice.

>>40012371
Recommending a martial art that you can't even spell? Oy

>>40012437
Why listen to a live punching bag about real life application of martial arts?

It's about more than hitting people or defending yourself. And people like you don't understand it because you think it's only "martial", the art aspect is so far out of your league I don't understand why you're compelled to respond.


It's about tradition, it's about form. It's about perfecting techniques that are old, until you reach the point where you can build on a century of development and take it a step further.

And then imparting that knowledge to the next generation and watch them take the same journey.


But yeah, whatever punchy. Keep at it I guess.

Boxing, wrestling, and jiu jitsu are the most practical.

I did Karate as a kid, it's the ultimate jew. Like they'll try to waste as much of your time and money as possible before they actually teach you useful tactics because you're not at the right belt yet or whatever the fuck. You'll spend weeks doing the stupidest shit.

Just learn how to dodge punches, take people down, and defend yourself on the ground. Boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu. I know jiu jitsu uses belts but at least they teach you useful shit immediately.

>>40012547
>It's about tradition, it's about form. It's about perfecting techniques that are old, until you reach the point where you can build on a century of development and take it a step further.
>And then imparting that knowledge to the next generation and watch them take the same journey.

Nigga, if youre training anywhere but Korea then I'm sad to say you are in a mcdojo where knowledge is being kept from you to make you pay more

>It's about tradition, it's about form. It's about perfecting techniques that are old, until you reach the point where you can build on a century of development and take it a step further.

also this literally applies to all martial arts, especially Muay thai, its not about bashing TKD, its about wasting your time on it because there are BETTER alternatives

>>40012643
You still have no idea what you're talking about.

>>40012345
Half of Taekwondo is doing stretches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwtM7ZArGxU

>>40012670
good argument bro, whatever helps you feel better about those wasted years in TKD

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>>40011458
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekkyeon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Soo_Do

If you're gonna learn any Korean martial art, learn the above but please do not learn TKD. TKD is a fucking meme.

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>>40012584
Holy fucking shit finally someone who doesn't live in a martial arts animu world lol
Only thing else I would've added is Muay Thai or Kickboxing, to other than that, that's the best comment I've seen here so far.

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>>40012782
>Answers a fucking meme with another meme

Life isn't a Samurai animu you know..

>>40011458
Kyokushin or boxing

Real talk here bros.

Karate and TKD are both memes, unless you really really spend both time and resources to actually reach out on both Martial Art's sources, you really are wasting your time, even if you spend 10 years studying TKD/Karate in the states, you will always remain a meme, because of business, you are not a student to their senseis, they are not your senpai, they dont see you as a 'successor to this graceful martial arts', they are teaching for money, believe it or not.

So if you really want to pursue TKD or Karate, I would suggest going to Korea and actually learn from people who do it not for the money, but for the art, if you want a more technical TKD, go for Korean military, they basically teach TKD without the bullshit unneeded spins and shouting. if you want Karate, go to japan, go to the provincial area where students basically live in the dojo FOR years.

If its an american teaching both Karate or TKD, its always a good chance thats its a mcdojo, sure they will claim they trained in korea or in japan, but thats basically sales talk.

Dont get me wrong, this also applies to both Muay Thai and Boxing, but the difference is there is less bullshit, sure they are making money out of you, but both of these two martial arts, at its core is just teaching you proper form and how to punch, kick, knee and elbow. thats literally it, the business side is less because thats literally what these two martial arts are.

so the mian difference between TKD/Karate and Boxing/Muay Thai is both will have you wasting your time on endless repetitions, doing the same thing over and over again, transition to sparring and actual fights, but with TKD/Karate, alot of time is wasted teaching you spinning kicks, breaking glued boards, blocking stupidly, and screaming HIYAH!, while in Boxing and Muay Thai the repetitions are actual moves that will help you in an actual combat situation

>>40011631
The point is not everyone is starting martial arts to crush people in epic streetfights. Some just want to have fun and meet new people.
Not that I would expect a BJJ practitioner to know what fun is, considering how angry you guys seem to be online all the time.

>>40011458
Shotokan and Taekwondo are very similar. Take introduction classes for both at your local gyms and then decide.

The different Karate styles can vary greatly, so keep that in mind. Kyokushin is the only one where full contact sparring is contact as far as I know.

Either way, try out first, then sign up. It sucks when you sign a 12 month contract just to realize after the first session that you don't like it or that the people there are as bitter and cynical as BJJ practitioners.

>>40012839
>this also applies to both Muay Thai and Boxing, but the difference is there is less bullshit
Maybe, but the difference is marginal in my experience. I've been to as many boxercise gyms as I've been to McDojos. Maybe that's just my area though.

What you could also add to your post is that the rate of injury skyrockets once you start full contact sparring. Some people can't afford to break a toe when their front kick lands on their partners elbow, or a fractured leg when their low kick gets checked. Or when showing up with a black eye can already get you fired.

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>>40012844
You can meet ppl and make friends while learning something that may end up saving you, your friend, or your family, instead of going out of your own way to learn something that will give you the illusion that you know how to defend yourself or you're good at sport fighting, but in reality you're just paying $100+ to play pretend animu..

>>40012890
even if its a boxercise gym, if it has you throwing punches in a repetetive motion then its okay, even if you wont learn anything, you will still suconsciously learn how to throw a punch properly without losing balance.

the real difference is, a boxercise gym has you doing repetitive moves that you could actually apply in real life scenarios while a mcdojo has you doing repetitive moves that you will never ever use outside

>>40012906
>living in a third wold shithole where people try to rob you on your way to the grocery store
Literally 99% of "streetfight" videos online are people being idiots and escalating situations for no reason.

There is no real world application of martial arts anymore. At least not in any safe first world country. The
>I'll teach you this deadly martial art so you may never use it
meme is real. I'd even go so far as to say the chances of getting into a fight are even lower for martial artists, because they know what a stupid thing it is to do and avoid it at any cost.
So you're putting your body through hell for years for literally no other reason than personal interest and fun. And you can get the latter with Taekwondo and Karate as well. Your argument breaks down to "you like something I don't like."

>>40012584
True, i would add kickboxing and muay thai for striking, and wrestling for grappling, everything else you said is spot on

>>40011458
Don't get memed into any of those azn "martial arts"
They are just glorified ballet.
Do Krav Maga or self defense courses or something

>>40013040
>Unironically calling Asian martial arts "glorified ballet"
>Unironically suggesting Krav maga
Lol. You don't know shit about martial arts. Go back to /pol/ you faggot.

You guys are so autistic. For me all of those are about sport, not about kicking ass in a street fight. I guess basketball sucks also because you will get your ass kicked in a street fight..

If you are good in taekwondo, it means you end up being explosive, flexible, athletic and so on. It means you become an athlete. Same with every other sport. Why does it matter if you can kick someone's jaw off? Who thinks about stuff like that really?

If you want to be good at street fights become a sprinter. Everything else is just an edgy teenager fantasy

>>40011486
Daily remainder that judo is the superior form of jiu jitsu and that the brazilian school is a fagged up version of judo.

>>40011458
Karate

>>40013135
>it means you end up being explosive, flexible, athletic and so on

no just flexible. you only end up being explosive with kicks, not anywhere else

>>40012345
>rusty knees

wot

stretching and flexibility training is recommended daily by doctors anon

>>40013156
Wrong, almost in every physical sport you train jumps, moving, do sprints and so on. You have to move fast in taekwondo and karate. You have to have good reflexes, fast hips and good coordination. It's not enough to beat someone who has a fantasy of breaking jaws in a cage, but you're athletic enough to beat everyone in your sport because you have better athletic abilities (not just fighting).

Are you saying sprinters aren't explosive because they don't do kicboxing or something like that? If you do, you don't understand sports and where the speed comes from.

>>40013184
are you seriously comparing sprinters to TKD? lmao, one is literally explosive, while the other thinks that he is because hes screaming HAAAYAAA!

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>>40011591
The karate you are referring to is done at McDojo's

That self confidence building board breaking and smashing bricks are things done at borderline day cares in emulation of actual Karate Dojo exhibitions. Karate can be a destructive martial art in practice taught by actual practitioners and not a guy with a Red master Belt that works out of a strip mall.

Here's a rule of thumb to rule out any place as a poor place to do martial arts

Do they spar?
>No
Don't waste your money.

I wish I had some wonderboy webm's but mcgoobs will have to do. He has some karate background, along with other martial arts.

>>40013206
Both need fast hips. If you have slow hips you suck at sprinting. If you have slow hips you suck at kicks. If you have slow hips you suck at every physical sport.

I have watched so many different sport practices and they all have one thing in common: developing athletes. Jumps, moving, coordination and so on with a focus on their main sport.

Not respecting different kind of sports and athletes just means that you have that edgy teenager fantasy of breaking jaws instead of everything else

>>40013232
>you have that edgy teenager fantasy of breaking jaws instead of everything else

is this really what you are clinging to to justify training in TKD? you can have the same benefits with Kick Boxing or Muay Thai, possibly even more, so why are you cucking yourself with TKD? is it because of the belts anon? belts make you a big boy now?

>>40013147
Why not both?

>>40013244
I don't really care about any martial arts, they are not my thing. I just find it ridiculous how some people have the need to find a sport / martial art that is THE BEST and beats all others.. You guys aren't athletes, you are just edgy teenagers.

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>>40012930
>the real difference is, a boxercise gym has you doing repetitive moves that you could actually apply in real life scenarios

Except when your target begins to move and you wiff every punch and get fucked up by someone who has actually been in a fight before.

Punching a punching bag teaches you how to punch a punching bag. That's it.

>>40013280
we are not even saying that Boxing/MMA is the best we are just saying the truth that TKD is a meme

>>40013280
But i want to add that it's different if you love fighting and want to end up in UFC or something like that (compete against other arts). But if you just want to compete in your own martial art, it should not matter what you end up with. Basketball players don't compete against football players and so on.

>>40013292
If it's a meme then why is it in the olympic games? You really don't get sports m8.

>Inb4 why chess is in the olympics

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>>40013305
my god anon

Are you training for Olympic TKD? is OP? Do you think OP will find an olympic level school? Do you think he will ever train like an olympian? do you think hell quit his job and go for it 24/7?

Jesus fucking christ dont be fucking stupid

>>40013292
Thats not really true.

TKD specializes in kicks. So out of all the kicks you learn are all of them going to be useless? Are you going to be effective or more effective than other martial arts at doing so?

Those are better standards to hold it to especially in learning more than one martial arts. Not is it the best, but what is it best at.

At the very least you can take the fundamentals learned from that and apply it to other martial arts like kick boxing and muay thai to be more well rounded.

>>40013324
Nice argument m8. Go ahead and tell us about the time you beat up that bully because you learned to throw punches in the air with 30 minutes of Tae Bo classes a day.

>>40013326
No, you're the one being stupid here.

My point is that it's autistic to choose a sport based on it's superiority or wanting to break jaws better than others. To put it short
>Pick a sport
> Stay with it
>Do your best

B-but football players don't know how to use their hands! They suck compared to basketball players, why would anyone want to play football!

reminder to never fall for the chi jew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

>>40013343
No anon you are the one missing the point entirely.

OP is asking about choosing TKD or Karate, and none of those is good as just a hobby, and that there are better alternatives for it.

We are suggesting BETTER ALTERNATIVES, not arguing which is the better sport

>>40013343
>Pick a sport
>stay with it
>Do your best

This is what were telling OP anon, if he does all that for 8 months on TKD versus on a superior martial art, the latter would definitely be a better choice

its about which martial arts would oyu waste time less

>>40013356
Why they would be worse than other sports? How can you literally say stupid shit like that. I would agree if your point was that TKD is not good because you can end up with brain damage or it has high injury levels.

Best option would be to try both and choose the one you like more, and then stay committed. Its kinda stupid to argue which sport is the best, because most people end up loving their own sport after getting better at it.

Taekwondo vs street fighter
https://youtu.be/eqtkU8r8upU

All these fat lards who call it a meme are losers who sperg out "ur never gonna use it lmao"

>>40013374
Pls stop this autistic shit. You don't train TKD to be a good street fighter. Anyone with brains will try to run away from it or avoid that shit. Even if you were the best MMA fighter in the world, your career can end with a knife behind your back.

You don't compare sport against other sport, unless you do something like UFC. If you put basketball players against football players, they play with either the rules of basketball or football.

>>40013379
t. Autistic "street fighter" who got BTFO by some tkd trainee

>>40013388
Do you have a brain damage?

>>40013392
You don't have one at all.

>>40013374
It worked, but you should generally never be throwing kicks in a street fight.

TKD's applications work much better in the frame of MMA and thats only one part of it.

>>40013392
Baited, hook, line, and sinker

>>40013396
Well argue against me.

>>40013404
I don't have you. Watch the video, your "WAAH TAEKWONDO IS USELESS" memes lose in front of reality.

>>40013411
to*

>>40013411
So you do have a brain damage. Where did i say that it is useless? Did you even try to understand my point >>40013379

To help you: my point is that you do TKD to be good in TKD, you do boxing to be good at boxing, you do football do be good at football.

What happens in street fights concerns only edgy teenagers. They have no rules, they're just animals. If i wanted to be one of them, i probably would learn street fighting. But i'd rather learn football or something else.

>>40013428
>strret fighter loses fight to tkd guy
>"I'd learn street fighting"
Yet you call retarded? Lol

>>40013439
If i show you a video where a shooter kills TKD artist, will you learn shooting?

>>40013445
You are retarded. Pease proceed to kill yourself.

why not wing chun?
best martial arts ever can't be defeated
fight mike tyson and not get ears bitten off

the whole
>muh street fights
argument in martial arts is literally the same thing as the
>muh functional strength
argument in weightlifting

nobody irl gives a shit how much you can lift because youre never going to lift more than a bag of groceries
nobody irl gives a shit how hard you spar because youre never going to get in a fight

how the fuck is a fucking 8 year old a red belt

>>40011631
>shaolin martial arts

*teleports behind you*

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>>40011458
None really.

Listen to me well; all martial arts are best at what they have been made to do.

Karate used to be good, but have been tamed and toned down from the originally developed martial art, so they can hold tournaments without dead and crippled people

Taekwondo have been developed so the unarmed thai peasants would have something against armed warriors. One of the kicks have been especially developed to kick down a horseman from his ride. It is good if your opponent is an armed and armored fighter, but it wasn't made to be good in one-on-one fistfights.

>>40012220
>>40012844
>>40012806
Kyokushin is also an interesting story; It's been made and developed by Masutatsu Oyama in the sixties. He loved to fight and fighting others. He have created this style so people can spar each other. It is very good as a continuous sport, and exercise, as it's fundamental principle is self-development, but as fight, it is most useful for another Kyokushin, or karate user. Wasn't really made against multiple opponents, or styles that come very close like Wing Chun and boxing.


>>40011486
Now Jujitsu is a funny story. I don't know about the brazilian variety, but the original Japanese one have been developed so when warriors on the battlefield lose their weapon somehow, they won't remain defenseless.
It was developed so the warrior can move in his bulky armor, defend himself from an armed opponent, and ideally, take his weapon. It might be still useful if you are in the armed forces, and you run out of options, but not for prolonged fistfights.


This is why boxers are still very useful, because they are generally used for the thing it's been developed for, and martial artists get sometimes btfo-d, because they think they become übermensch, and forget their style is specialized in something

i went to karate for 2 years as a kid because my brother is black belt. never gotten in a street fight but i feel like i could win most street fights easily because i kind of understanding fighting techniques and i can hit/move well. am i delusional or does actually having some training as a kid help?

>>40013809
It's paying attention to the right things that help,
If you learned how to balance yourself both during attack and evasion, and know how to time things, you got a good advantage.

So yes, training (either as adult, or kid) can add a lot.
Just never think you are automatically in a winning position, or that it's over after one hit.

>>40012519
>implying that Mcgregors striking is due to karate rather than the years he spent failing to make it as a boxer.

>>40013771
Literally not one of the things you said is true.

>>40013809
>I've never been in a fight and my style is not conducive to real fighting so I have a false sense of security that allows me to believe I could beat anyone

Go to a kickboxing gym and be ready to get humbled

>>40011458
whichever one is most useful in a street fight even though I never got in a street fight in my life and never plan on doing so
I still entertain the idea of practicing martial arts to get into street fights because I'm literally a child in a man's body
just do MMA it's the king because hurp durp muh street fight hurr durr durr

>>40011458
Muay Thai

>>40014149
Wow, your sound reasoning have definitely convinced everyone.

For a street fight both are bad, though a karate expert is probably more useful than a TKD expert in a street fight because karate is a lot more brutal.
Both are cool and fun as sport martial arts though. I have a second degree black belt in Kenpo karate (still would never dream of using it in a real life fight and don't think it makes me tough) and sparring has become a lot of fun with people of a commensurate level. Locally there are some mixed competitions and besides karate the most popular martial arts to see are TKD and Kung-Fu. The Kung-fu kids are bad, and can't really fight anybody who doesn't do Kung-fu effectively. The TKD versus karate fights are good though, the kicks in TKD are crazy.
I think karate is a bit better for conditioning, but TKD is great for flexibility.

>>40014608
>that one muay thai fag in every thread
nigga I practice it, and I don't come in to every single martial arts thread virtue signaling, you're not answering OPs question

>>40013374
>that video proving anything
If you fight a skinny 13yo with no idea of how to throw a punch any fucking martial art is going to work

>>40012458
>>40013147
This

Judo is the superior martial art. None other gives you the control of your opponent that judo does. Due to this it is highly applicable to real life situation(although running away should always be your first choice), as you stand a low risk of accidentally injuring or killing your opponent while still being able to immobilize them.

>>40013771
>Listen to me well
No one please do, because this guy is full of shit.

>Karate used to be good
It never was. Karate was always a hobby practiced by the elite and never a functional way of self defense.
Try to trace down the Okinawa farmers who supposedly developed it to defend themselves against armed Japanese oppressors. They don't exists. The historian Hobsbawn wrote extensively on the invented traditions of Japanese martial arts.

>Taekwondo have been developed so the unarmed thai peasants would have something against armed warriors.
See above. Taekwondo is the adapted Korean name for Karate that was brought to Korea during the wars.

>it is most useful for another Kyokushin, or karate user. Wasn't really made against multiple opponents, or styles that come very close like Wing Chun and boxing.
Literally every single martial art that trains under a specific set of rules is "most useful for another practitioner of said art."
Considering Kyokushin is doing pretty well in MMA and Wing Chun isn't, you definition of "wasn't made against" is arbitrary. At the end of the day a Kyokushin fighter will beat a Wing Chun fighter for the simple fact that the former receives full contact training. Plus the theories that Wing Chun were based on, e.g. the center line, get debunked again and again as inefficient. Hence why you won't find it in MMA.

>Jujitsu is a funny story
The mythology of Jujutsu was made up the very same way as the one of Karate. Modern Jujutsu (past 150 or so years) has very little in common with Samurai warfare. Hence the creation of Judo by Jigoro Kano, who set himself out to show the principles on which Jujutsu was based on were ineffective and worthless in combat.

>they think they become übermensch, and forget their style is specialized in something
The problem is not specialization. The problem is training inefficiently. Taekwondo practitioners are not bad fighters because they're kickers. They're bad fighters because they're bad kickers.

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>>40013771
This seems alright advice. Before you start any martial art you have to sit down and think and make your objective clear.
Do you want to be better able to defend yourself from muggers, robbers, shitstain sludge of society ? - Maybe kraw maga, boxing, judo or some shit with grappling.
Do you seek discipline and self improval, want to practice something fancy ?
Do you want to become a competitive performer ?

I did Judo when I was maybe 10 or so years old and never went past white belt. I am exfat with moobs n all who Is currently on the path of self improval, lost a lot of weight gained muscle, and will keep doing so.
I want to start a martial art I am considering Kyokushin karate and I want to do it competitively. I will lose more fat and gain loadsa more muscle and get rid of my moobs before that tho. I am also considering Judo.

>>40014572
>kickboxing
>street fights

Two different things anon. There are a million streetfight videos on the internet that prove 99.9% of people who get into street fights can't fight. Karate would probably work in that situation after a few years of training.

What matters the most isn't the martial art but the person teaching it.

>>40012839
>>40012890
What's a "boxercising gym" ? I did boxing for a bit when I was younger and they instantly taught me how to move, punch, head movement, shifting your weight, using your hips and lots of other stuff. Maybe that was because I had a competent trainer and there were actually good boxers there but I never felt like they were wasting my time.

>>40013281
But doesnt every boxing gym have you do sparing ?

>>40014734
I would say something like Boxing/Kickboxing/Muay Thai and Judo is probably the best combination. Once you have them on the ground you dont really need BJJ because you have already won and have them at a disadvantageous position already so unless they are trained in BJJ you already won.

>>40013147
what

>>40013147
I thought Judo wasnt focused on the ground game but focused on bringing your opponennt to the ground ? or is taht wrong ?

>>40015695
It was, in competition you had a limited amount of time on the ground before you're stood up. Rules have changed now to allow for more ground time, likely because wrestling has been dropped from the olympics. It could mean future judo has more BJJ and wrestling elements.

>>40015695
>>40015732

Judos all about using your opponents weight against them and tossing them to the ground. BJJ is how to use your weight efficiently on the ground to submit your opponent.

>>40015658
No. Sparring at an actual boxing gym is something coaches usually allow you to do or something you work up to. More MMA gyms do have open sparring times, but these are also on volunteer basis not something that is mandatory. The fact that they have them is a good sign its not bullshit though.

The post before that was referring to shit like Title Boxing gyms where they pretty much have a personal trainer have you punch a bag for a certain amount of time. You won't learn how to hit people. You'll learn how to hit a bag.

>>40015695
Depends on the dojo. Judo has takedown, takedown defense and ground game. Some dojos ignore the ground, some focus on the ground game.
Regardless of that, you would have to learn all three to get a black belt.

>>40015778
Those are very generalised ideas. Judo also has submissions and BJJ has takedowns. The real difference between the two is how the rules in competition are applied which changes the strategies and techniques practised in the gym. It would only take a couple of changes to the rules for both marital arts to look near identical.

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>>40015652
>I did boxing for a bit when I was younger and they instantly taught me how to move, punch, head movement, shifting your weight, using your hips and lots of other stuff

Yeah, that means you went to an actual boxing gym. Boxercise is what it sounds like. An exercise class with boxing.

They have big rooms filled with punching bags, they blast some motivational music/top 100s, and let people of all ages wail on a bag to fulfill their New Years resolutions. They also do 1 on 1 pad work and may show some technique, but for the most part their clients aren't trying to train to hit anyone because they don't want to get hit.

Some actual boxing gyms do this now just to make money, but if that's all they do its not worth your time if your looking for self defense.

>>40015652
its a gym without decent program and no sparring

How to spot one

>virtually no contact sparring or once a month sparring
>There are no actual fighters in it
>There are alot of women in it and IN groups
>no actual program involved or the program doesnt change it all

They basically stretch your training out over a few months that could have amounted into a single one, they do it for the monthly fees

>>40015944
>>40015959
pretty sure a boxercise gym really depends on the client, alot of thee people are just out there to work out burn fat/cardio. its truly a boxercise/mcdojo is you approach a supposed season trainer and ask for an actual training and he refuses saying what you guys are doing will get you somewhere.

thats usually how a decent boxing coach would work, they would just let you do repetitive movements and only give out actual combat guidance when you approach them that you really want to compete

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>>40011458
cqc > muai thai and judo > bbj > karate > tkd

i don't get why people are so obsessed with streetfights, if you're ever attacked in the street that are much better ways to defend yourself and if you're the one picking fights with people you're just a faggot

At the end of the day its all kicking and punching, more you practice better you get unless you have some kind of retard teaching you. ITF is better then the olympic crap. Some karate styles are better than others, i prefer kyokushin to other styles, sparring we can hit all over. Tried shito ryu, good class but hate the sport sparring, although they could do throwing which was good. Boxings cool but learning to kick just adds options. For the floor id choose greco wrestling.

>>40015992
Boxercise don't really work in the same way McDojo's do.

They are corporate companies ran with actually qualified trainers. They won't be refusing anyone's money if they ask for a 1 on 1 session.

Real boxing gyms will give you 1 on 1 sessions if you seek it, but you don't need to compete to get real training from them. They will first teach you technique, drill with you, and then slowly work you into sparring if you want real self defense training.You could just learn from other boxers without even speaking with the main coach.

muay thai is the only real answer

>>40011458

I've been doing boxing for about 6 months now and I want to do some ground work

Only reason is because I think it would be really embarrassing to get choked out while flailing around. What should I do? Wrestling?

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>>40013003
>Well yes and no
even in 1st world countries, sometimes you may be in a position where you need to fight, or you're dealing with a drunk asshole who's bullying your friends or trying to hit on or feel up your gf or whatever the case is, stupid things like that happen all the time, and while yes it may rarely happen and you may just end up just doing it all those yrs to never have to use it and only do it for personal interest, the difference is that one will always be a useful tool in your back pocket, while the other is an illusion that may get you or your loved ones severely injured or killed, not only that the sport side of something like a meme martial art versus a practical martial art is completely different, have you ever watched a TKD match? Versus something like a Muay Thai or Kickboxing match? They're night and day as far as quality and excitement goes, in this day and age there really is no place for meme martial arts that are only practiced in McDojo's

You don't really learn anything useful, and that same sense of comradery and friendship can be found in any other boxing/kickboxing/grappling/mma gym
The only difference is that you end up learning how to defend yourself, and also have a very healthy, exciting sport side as well.

Lots of ppl can actually go to top teir colleges for free just from being decent at boxing or wrestling, something that you rarely see happen with something like TKD or Karate

>>40015146
>turkish oil wrestling
wtf this is the most homo thing i've ever seen
how the fuck
i mean how
do they acknowledge the fact that their national sport is gay af?

>>40012519
All of these fighters filled out their styles with other martial arts. If you want to purely do one martial art a traditional one like Karate is inferior. It is however useful to have studied such techniques as they give you an advantage over an opponent when used in MMA. Obviously the best fighter would be one that has studied all Martial Arts and picks the best parts of each of them but that's impossible.

>>40011458
I almost had a black belt in taekwondo, It really isnt going to work that well in a fight if you are strict to form, just skip it and go to an MMA gym or something, maybe take some BJJ and karate or wrestling and boxing.

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What's the point when a 10mm exists?
>martial artists that agree with guns
Bruce Lee
Chuck Norris
Jackie Chan
>people that disagree
Eurocucks
Limp wristed nu-males

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>>40015146
>Do you use a squat plug?

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>>40017469
>These fucking guys..

>Hurr durr! Ya! and a bomb would cuckold you to deth against your 10mm! Henk!

>>40017469
In a lot of countries a gun is illegal to carry unless you obtain permission, which is a pain.
Your arms and legs will always be with you.
Even if you are carrying some asshole suddenly jumping at your face might not give you time or space to draw.

>>40014734
>>40013147

As a martial art Judo maybe superior, but for max. 2000 people in the world, Half of them in Japan and 90% of them all older than 50, you can only find Judo, the sport.
Proof: Ashi garami, link related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXH_LrcqNc
It's a fucking shame that an American Bjj black belt knows better about a Judo technique than all the Judoka in the world. But he is humble enough not to claim to have invented it and gave the technique its original name, because he knows that Judô was Jigoro Kano Jiu-jitsu.
>>40013147
From all that, it's actually Judo that looks more like a faggot version of bjj nowdays...
big throws are cool, but: strangulation/chokes>keylocks>throws.

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I know several of you don't believe in the power of Aikido. I can see why you believe that, how can a peaceful martial arts like Aikido beat a powerful one like Karate

Well, I have a story to share with you.

Years ago, I was a karateka, I thought I was the toughest kid in high school, I would pick fights, and kick ass. I was full of hate, until I picked a fight with the wrong dude. He was a Japanese exchange student, I still remember his name, Noboru Takeda.

I picked on him because of his hilarious and thick Japanese accent. I told him I was going to beat him so hard, he would go back to China(Yeah, I was a little racist prick.), he never said anything back, made me wanted to kick his ass even harder.

Well, here comes the fight. I threw several punches, he dodged them like I was a mere white belt. I was tiring out and he knew, I saw the smirk on his face that made me raged hard. I put all my strength in one amazing punch, and he grabbed it and threw me over. My back smacked on the hard cement ground, and I was knocked out for who knows how long.

When I woke up I was in the school infirmary, I asked the nurse who brought me here, and you guessed it, Noboru Takeda. The next day, he wasn't at school, he was back in Japan, and I never got to thank him, for saving my life and showing me the light. I soon learned that he was an Aikidoka and have been practicing Aikido ever since to show my thanks to him.

>>40016544
>where you need to fight, or you're dealing with a drunk asshole who's bullying your friends or trying to hit on or feel up your gf or whatever the case is

or you could just not get into macho man pissing contests like a dumb teenager

>>40017686
mots people don't think that martial arts is worthless because you can carry, it's just people who learn martial arts and think they're gonna be batman

a gun is a tool and a tool is worthless if you can't use it

in an ideal world you would carry and practice drawing/shooting, and be trained in martial arts

people just act like they're gonna take 6 months of ching chong fu and be the biggest badass to walk the streets

>>40011458
Neither, orient martial arts are neither great for self defense nor workouts. Krav is best. BJJ is garbage too. Inefficient showboating trash.

orient martial arts are best for discipline and training for the mind. Kung fu, in this area, excells over both because of its age.

>>40012547
Say hi to Mr. Miyagi for me, faggot.

>>40017693
Throws are devastating tho. And judo has all of the other elements that you mentioned.

>>40017693
>it's actually Judo that looks more like a faggot version of bjj nowdays

Olympic judo is not all the judo there is.

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>>40018500
Check'd !
Sorry for the overkill but previous anon triggered my angst of faggots.
>Olympic judo is not all the judo there is.
I agree, but competition form sums most of the time what the martial art is, even if isn't the whole martial art. Freestyle Judo is almost non existent in a 1000km radius and Ne-waza competition are just a pathetic joke.
Don't get me wrong, Judo is great, but to find a Judoka that still knows what kata hishigi ashi garami is, you have to get a Judoka that extensively trained in traditional japanese ju jitsu most of the time.

>>40018460
It has them but doesn't work on them.
kote kansetsu? ashi kansetsu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tz8xHxJqQU

Some top tier Ne-waza as .gif

>>40013771
Bjj was basically developed after gracie looked at judo (which was developed FROM Jap JJ but with more emphasis on throws) then go "well so am i fucked if i throw the opponent and he gets back up or what"

>>40016475
Wrestling is not easy to find in the slightest outside of a MMA gym

Maybe you'll get lucky, but Judo & BJJ gyms are much easier to find.

There is a "Gay" category on Pornhub, why bother?

>>40018918
Crazy but seems to be true.

JJ gyms are plentiful and wrestling seems to be only in middle and high schools

Ideally a less shit martial art. But of the two, karate is better.

>>40017693
Generally instructors still teach you banned techniques, you just can't use them in comp. Also depending on the instructors, some dojos may place just as much emphasis on ground play (ne waza) as stand up (tachi waza)

Our dojo actually does alternating days so we'll spend every other day doing solely groundwork. Our instructor is a BJJ blackbelt as well though, so that might not be that common

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>>40017895
Apparently sticking up for your friends,family and woman is macho man pissing contest...
>you're what's wrong with men nowadays you spineless girl.

>>40013671
>muh aesthetics

Nobody gives a shit how good you look because you're never going to take your shit off :^)

>>40012437
Any martial art will give you an advantage over someone in a street fight assuming similar heights and weights you moron. People like you are why everyone thinks boxers are dumb as bricks.

>>40017693
In a street fight or bar brawl, you want to turn (flip) the opponent as quickly as possible and be gone. You do NOT want to end up on the ground. Their buddy will be on the back of your head with something instantly.
(Thai) boxing or Judo are your best bet on the street

>>40021752
Yup. Go find a Judo dojo that follows the full curriculum and competes regularly. You will be required to learn all techniques, and can use them during tachiwaza. When you go for black belt, you will be required to perform good technique for the grading board. I've never heard of a Judo McDojo
Yah, the rules for tournaments are designed for big flashy throws, but the amount of body control that teaches is also pretty epic.
Really, any throw is devastating against someone who isn't trained.

>>40013281
man I wonder when is ronda going to kill her self...

>>40011458
wing chun is a lot of fun to learn, especially if you can find a good class and shifu.

>>40011458
"Taekwondo have been said to have originated as a way of kicking mounted soldiers off horseback"

Yah...I'd go for something a bit more practical...

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>>40011458
Krav Maga

>>40012764
You know full well most TKD practitioners, let alone black belts, aren't that flexible.

>>40016544
>new chapters never

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>>40021752
>>40024132
Your art is what you train. If rules don't change, what happened to leg locks will happen to leg grab. So if you don't train leg grabs you got no leg grab. Training banned techniques for the black belt is the less silly of all the silly stupid options, but those techniques will disapear and maybe brought back by another art. This despite the quality of the dojo. (See there: >>40018856 ) Ne-waza Judo competitions are the alive proof of this. Even funnier, when Judo take from Bjj the methodoloygy and its curriculum, Link related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR1lyt8PsbQ
This "guard" pass is from bjj, In Judo (both Kodokan and Kosen), they work it differently. since uki-waza is not regarded as highly, uki-waza being a way harder osaekomi to apply.
Pic related about disapearing technique: Even the illustrating image on wikipedia shows Bjj'ers for a Judo technique nowdays. There are a billion pics about ashi-hishigi, mainly kata ashi hishigi. I seriously hope someone go change this. Japanese names have a meaning in the curriculum of Judo and the method to name techniques is second to none, way way way ahead of bjj or wreslting.

>>40014813
>Karate was always a hobby practiced by the elite and never a functional way of self defense.
Apparently this one is true. It was imported in the 20th century. I concede my point.

>Taekwondo is the adapted Korean name for Karate
Not wrong, but not entirely true either. Modern Taekwondo is what the "kwans" the schools opened in the 40s 50s practiced. The schools were opened by fighter who mainly studied in Japan during japanese rule. They have indeed traded and innovated techniques together.
However Koreans had their own martial art, which modern Taekwondo have stemmed from, back when Korea was three different kingdoms, and have been used in life and death situations

>Modern Jujutsu (past 150 or so years) has very little in common with Samurai warfare.
As I said I don't know modern varieties, I only know what it's been made for. But I know what it meant to do, and I think this is the same reason why armed forces still use it; it goes against armed opponent if you are unarmed, and it is the best way to dispose the opponent without outright aiming to kill him.

>Literally every single martial art that trains under a specific set of rules
True, but what I am saying is that in life there is no such thing as "specific set of rules". When you really need you fighting skills and knowledge, you are very likely to
>fight multiple opponents
>someone with some sort of weapon (a knife, a crowbar, etc)
>been already jumped at
or all the above

My primary reasoning is this; in modern times, it is a bit hard to find reliable martial arts. In older times, if a martial art sucked, they it went extinct, as it's participation were killed off, and good ones developed to address new challenges.

If a martial art is being used to hold point-based tournaments, it is less likely to protect you in a life and death situation. Not impossible, (knowing how to kick someone on the template is never useless) just less likely. It needs adjustments.

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>>40026374
>>40014813
To surmise:

We have to think back how martial arts were made. There was a goal, a purpose, to reach and some conditions to overcome.

Over the centuries, and millenniums, techniques didn't just got more refined, and the art got better. The goals and conditions have also changed, and other those that adapted could have survived. You can most martial arts and be good, as long as you adapt, and don't try to use styles as a holy text for life.

I like to quote Bruce Lee on this, because he might lacked in certain aspects of his life, fighting and self-improvement wasn't one of them:

>Because of styles people are separated. Research your own experience, absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own.
>The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt on any style. He kicks too good for a Boxer, throws too good for a Karate man, and punches too good for a Judo man.

It is why I say MMA is good, because it follows this principle the closest.

>>40011458
both are garbage

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>>40026374
>If a martial art is being used to hold point-based tournaments, it is less likely to protect you in a life and death situation. Not impossible, (knowing how to kick someone on the template is never useless) just less likely. It needs adjustments.
Problem is, without a proper way to spar with contact, your martial arts goes to the shitter as a mean of self-defence in less than 10 years.

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>>40025531
MC ends up dating Maki. There, that's all you need to know. Not like you need to know Japanese to understand the matches.

>>40013003
That is very true. I did karate and wushu before and both instructors constantly warned us that if shit happens, first thing to do is actually to run away. Only retards will try and show their superior kung fu and confront the other guy.

>>40013771
Also this. It doesn't matter which one you pick up. It all goes down to how well you train. BJJ ain't gonna do jack if you either didn't have a good instructor or you don't fully commit. Also, there's the fact that being trained in a controlled condition is one thing. Being able to deal with shit if shit actually happens is an entirely different thing.

>>40026513
True, contact is important, but you can't live on contact alone. And competing on a point-based system inflates the usefulness of a contact.

>>40011458
Goju ryu or wado ryu karate.
Good taekwondo is hard to find. Very hard.

>>40026592
>being trained in a controlled condition is one thing. Being able to deal with shit if shit actually happens is an entirely different thing.
>Only retards will try and show their superior kung fu and confront the other guy.

My nigga. Too many practitioners take martial art movies too seriously, and try to be the hero/alpha/warrior of the day.

I'd choose Karate, because it doesn't prefer kicks over other techniques as it is in Tae Kwon Do.

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>>40026592
Where are the fucking raws!
>>40026614
This is why I spar with competitors, but don't compete myself anymore.

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>>40026816
I bought the digital releases off ebookjapan.

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Also, since there are already people posting weeb shit.

>>40013222
>this

if you don't get to spar, you probably won't learn actual application

>>40011458
Wont matter if you are drunk ive been trained in freestyle karate which is a cross between karate ju jitzu and mauy thai and done some kickboxing. Got jumped by a few guys in a club was arguing with some guy and his mate punched me from the side.
Couldnt react was literally black out drunk just got kicked out of the last place i was in. He only got a couple hits in and couldnt hit for shit luckily only got a very minor black eye and tiny fat lip. I have learnt my lesson going to in future try not get so drunk.

But yeah mauy thai is solid for striking game but you want to be well rounded so bjj or something would be good. Normal karate and takwondo are shit, go find an mma gym or something

>>40011498
This

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>>40024084
>>40024084
>In a street fight or bar brawl
Stop it. Have you being in bar brawl? As a bouncer? As an defending customer or as as thte assaillant? Were you protecting only yourself or helping a third party? was the third party able to fight(i.e a bro) or was it a girl?
>Their buddy will be on the back of your head with something instantly.
Protect your neck. Seriously, standing or on the ground.
Sucker punches happen standing too. If you throw a cunt, there is a wider and longer opening than if you punch, because you are the sole point of balance of you and the cunt for an and instant and you have to recover the said balance.
For the street fight, it's even more variables incoming, like (non-improvised) weapons. So even if it is a valuable point in itself, it is still moot in regard of multiple opponents if you don't know the basics about fighting in groups, there, some sparring, bare handed. Helps to understand group fighting dynamics
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=5+vs+5+mma.

>>40011458
>taekwondo
Taekwondo for sikk calves