/Fraud/ Steroid General

>>39919497

Before asking for advice on first cycle

>time spent lifting
>age
>bf %

>>39919497
I think the issue you're just not attractive.

>>39919486
as a general rule of thumb each mesocycle should be half the length of the previous, progressing thru endurance to hypertrophy to strength to power, in order to adjust to the increased demands of each mesocycle you change the frequency/volume/number of exercises/intensity correspondingly

>>39919525

I mean, I beg to differ, but even if I give that to you, the claim is that mastic +mew makes you look better.

So whether or not I'm attractive now is totally irrelevant, as long as there's progress, which there was.

>abuse from bimbo

zzz

getting old

I couldn't be less offended. It feels forced bimbsie.

>>39919513
One year
21
17-18%

I just want to do a simple cutting cycle because I permabulked since last year and don't want to lose my gains if I can help it. I've browsed /r/steroids wiki so I know I should do something along the lines of ~50mg of test per day and have an AI and PCT. Is this pretty much all I should do?

>>39919561
Nah you just constantly position yourself to be ridiculed.

>>39919589

It's almost like I care very little and my self esteem isn't affected by what strangers online think of me.

Like, do you get bothered when people talk shit about your G4P? No? Does it make you want to stop doing G4P? Wow imagine that. It doesn't matter.

Multiple anons have started mastic + mew because of my thread(s).

That makes me feel really good.

But I guess I should feel bad, because bimbo doesn't think I'm attractive.

>>39919651
I guess so dude, back to the drawing board. I hope you get the validation you seek.

>>39919589
>this guy
Kek bimbo,you are definetly attractive but the end of the day you still autisticly obsess over a 3/10 unstable bitch.
There are people who looks 1000 times worse than you but their partners are more beautiful than yours both psychical and personal.

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>>39919584
>permabulk
>stopping
>mfw

The real answer:
You probably don't want to do daily injections on your first cycle, you most likely shouldn't do a cycle after only a year, and you definitely don't need to do a cycle just to cut (unless you're confirmed low test, in which case it would help).

You can cut without losing gains by not cutting like a fuckwit. Roids are useless at best and dangerous at worst if you don't have your nutrition, training, and recovery sorted, especially if you're not already knowledgeable and experienced on the matter.

If you decide that you're 2kool4skool and start roiding anyway, then learn about blood work and dosages BEFORE you start. Don't yolo it hoping everything will be fine, because negative side effects can be permanent.

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>>39919675
I agree with this. No arguments.

man im already feeling so much fucking better after popping asin for a few days.

No fucking faggot feels anymore and even the acne has gone down a bit.

Kinda scared to crash my shit with 35mg/week tho.

Does low estro cause acne too? I know high one does

>>39919561
>>39919525
can we not just all love each other and not fight on a tansanian cattle breeding forum all the time

>>39919686
You don't even look like you roid in this gif. Were your gym selfies all smoke and mirrors?

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>>39919703
Nah I was just fasted no pump because #bottom

>>39919712
Oh, I see. So that's you trying to look more "twinkish"?

>>39919720
No that's just me trying not to shit everywhere when a dildo is yanked out of my ass

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>>39919734
zack & miri make a porno scene instantly comes to mind

>>39919740
Last time I saw that movie I was tripping on some Golden Teacher and the scene where zack and Miri actually fuck was so monumental and moving to me.

>>39919734
I respect you bimbo,your life is full of hardships.

>>39919753
It'll build character or I'll learn a lesson or something. Or not and I waste potential. Who knows.

>>39919681
I have those sorted out, I am a NEET who sleeps, trains and eats pretty well except the occasional wine and pizza meal. I will look into blood work if I go through with it though.

I know it's not wise after just a year and I seem to make gains pretty fast but I am incredibly impatient because I'm pretty embarrassed I let myself get this fat. I will see how I feel a couple months into this cut. I just started eating below TDEE a few days ago.

>>39919753
But I respect you too anon. Shits dumb but at least I'm big and strong.

I signed up for a new membership after a week trial and the receptionists were all commenting on how I seemed like a "serious lifter". Thicc receptionist commented "obviously, not many people are h u g e"

At least I have my gains.

>>39919768
Are you high right now.

>>39919797
No I just left the gym and I'm shopping for gunpla

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>>>/adv/17929419
Lol hey guys so I think i'm in trouble at work for sexual harassment

How are you all?

>>39919794
>6'4 255 lbs with visible abs
No shit,you probably get mired much more often but you dont even realize it.
Make sure to make a kid so your godlike steroid resistant genes wont disappear into the eternity.

>>39919675
>>39919675
>>39919671


There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with a 3/10 even as a guy that's attractive.

As long as she makes you happy, takes good care of you.

But Bimbo, as attractive as he is, has low self esteem. He doesn't like himself.

This is also clearly evident in his lashing out at me time and time and time again despite my total refusal to say anything bad about him. Bothers him that I like myself.

I've been nothing but polite and friendly to bimbs so there's really no other explanation for it.

Bimbo (looks better than I do) and doesn't like how he looks at all. So it sort of boils his blood when he sees someone that he (correctly) perceives as less attractive than himself not date a (0/10) that mistreats him.

I can see the logic, I just don't approve.

Hilariously enough, when I anon post relationship advice at him, he says 'thanks bro' 'makes sense' 'will do'.

But he never does it, because he wants to punish himself.
So he doesn't feel like he deserves to be happy, or deserves a partner that doesn't suck.

I've learned to stop trying to help bimbo as there's a roadblock in his head that he needs to sort out before he's able to have any kind of semi healthy relationshit.

The insecurity is even more apparent when he posts stuff like 'every single man, woman in the entire world wants me. I'm a god. Everyone wants my dick. yada yada.' Every single thread.

It's like he's trying to convince himself.

I hate to armchair analyze but maybe seeing as how much bimbo dislikes me, seeing the truth laid out so plainly will actually make him evaluate wtf he's doing?

I have zero resentment at all for bimbo, I just want him to get better + be happy, and find a girl that doesn't treat him like shit.

I know the only reason he flames me is insecurity.

But none of this is possible until he sorts his problems out.

>>39919697

Not until we learn to like ourselves.

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>>39919786
>I seem to make gains pretty fast but I am incredibly impatient because I'm pretty embarrassed I let myself get this fat
It's 18%, it doesn't even matter. How much do you need to lose, like ten or fifteen pounds? You can do that easily in a couple of months natty.

>>39919817
didnt read,bimbo wont too.
put a tldr.

>>39919817
That's a lot of words I didn't read but I can assure you my animosity towards you is because you're just obnoxious.

>refeed yesterday
>dont have the pop I wanted today

Damn

>>39919540
Most of these guys dont know basic programming forget mesocyccles its going over their head

>>39919836
>>39919843

bimbo doesn't like himself so he tries to punish himself by dating such a NASTY WOMAN

masochistic/he doesn't feel like he deserves any better

>>39919750
kek, just got a shipment of teacher's in today. weird that you mention it

>>39919836
>>39919843
kek

>>39919857
>most of these guys don't know basic programming forget mesocycles its going over their head

not wrong, but based on what anon said I feel like I should alter my routine structure a little bit. Right now I just have a progressive intensity/volume increase over time, no regulation between the two

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

fuck, I don't have time to sit for 3 hours autistically looking up efficiency ratios again

>don't have the pop I wanted today

as a former brohioan you should know that I interpreted that as you forgot to drink soda yesterday on your refeed, before I carefully reread that

>>39919857

Jerry I thought you only did 'refeeds' at single digit body fat to replenish levels of leptin?

>>39919898
I spent a decade chilling in Hudson. Love the cuyahoga valley.

>>39919899
Lower bf, the more frequent, but at extreme deficits, its still recommend

>>39919898
>wasting precious refeed cals on soda

I'm in physical therapy right now for a shoulder impingement and rotator cuff injury. I can't lift except for the excericses they give me And I don't want to lose gains. I'm thinking about going on a calorie surplus and running a fuckton. I was thinking of maybe using ostarine for its healting properties and help in muscle wasting. The question is, could I run it without supplemental test?

>>39919961
I'm at 19 btw, but I'm in ROTC at west point and this needs to be healed STAT

>let '/fraud/ bros use my gh15 account for years
>faggot changes the pass

fuck you

>>39919686
>tfw recognizing the scene but not knowing previously that it was bimbo

I have mixed feelings about this.

>>39919686
this is autistic as fuck, how do people enjoy this

scared of hair loss @ first cycle, anything to combat dat either during or after

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tfw had a dream I was back on Test and Tren having 4ways w models

that pinch of the pin breaking skin

ugh, i cant wait to be back

>>39919909
really cool area

>a decade

how old are you bimbsie I didn't think that old

>>39920117
wait it's still restrictive to get in to gh15? I sent them a request like three months ago and got an account in like three hours kek

Well fraud I did it. I got a fwb pregnant. She's keeping it. 2 months already. Fuck my life. I guess I'm going to stick around but would it be dick to leave a few months after she has the baby? What's worse, now or later?

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>>39920374
stick around and own up to your mistake you faggot

it's people like you that should be lined up alongside the niggers and kikes and shot by firing squad

you're the destruction behind the white race

>tfw can't wait to get qtczgf pregnant

>>39920126
It's fun

>>39920187
You will lose hair if you are genetically disposed to do so. That means, that you will only speed up the process, not start it.

>>39920387
not wanting to raise a kid with a woman you don't love or even care for is not being "behind the destruction of the white race"

I'll have a kid eventually with a woman I love, but I sure as shit ain't helping provide for some kid I don't want

ghosted a girl when she told me she might be pregnant master race

>>39920374
Send me the kid if its a girl
No trafficking

>>39920475
>leaving a white child to be destroyed by the abomination that is a single female parent, or worse yet, to be murdered by her new boyfriend Jamal Laquarius Henderson the third when he flies into a fit of rage at the latest Trump speech and beats the two to death is not 'behind the destruction of the white race'

at least do>>39920482

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Wew terrorists in FLL. What the fuck is going on.

>>39920387
I'm only 23 man. It's quite the shock. I have not banged nearly enough girls or had the life experiences that I want to go through. It won't even be possible now.

This >>39920475

>>39920500
>florida

meh, just as long as the memek77 vendor is safe

Chucks or Crossfit Lite TR for flats

my other canvas flats are starting to wear a hole in the ankle

>>39920642
or SABO deadlifts?

>>39920642
>>39920693
Fuck the crossfit lites if you cannot cop them at half price somewhere, personally have sabo now but lifted for ages in chucks (or even barefoot cause dirty hippie at heart) and had no issues.

>>39920732
I was leaning towards SABO after coming across them anyway, will go with them. How do yours fit? Big/small on the sizing or just about right?

but yeah, I usually just use a pair of old canvas Inkka's I had lying around and they serve me well enough, just lacking in ankle support a bit

https://www.instagram.com/erikmatapowerbuilder/

does /fraud/ think this guy is natty?

I used to train in the same gym as him and he's constantly talking shit, I remember someone jokingly saying he was on steroids and he got super pissed.

Curious as I genuinely cant' tell.

>>39920850
He doesn't look outrageously /fraud/ish. Could be though.

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>>39920850
>sumo

God I hope not.

>>39919681
Would 100mg of Arimidex last me through a newb cycle and through recovery?

>read this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/27748012/
>so this makes sense with my obstruction symptoms AND GSO allergy bullshit
>get androgenic impulse
>squeeze and push on the fucking glands so fucking hard
>hear fucking popping noises (lel) and get sharp ass pains in exact locations
>press the fuck out of those spots with the sharp pains
>mouth floods with saliva so much that I instinctively open my mouth and dump it into the sink
>glands are literally like 20% of the size they were before I did that
>so called parents now saying how I WAS FUCKING RIGHT ALL ALONG AND IT WAS A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT OBSTRUCTION

ALL THESE FUCKING SO CALLED DOCTORS ARE GOING INTO FUCKING SLAVERY

YOU FUCKING HEAR THIS SHIT

EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU IS GONNA GET PUT TO FUCKING DEATH

I CAN LITERALLY SEE MY FUCKING FACE NORMALLY FROM THE FUCKING FRONT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FUCKING OMFG LIKE FUCKING 7 FUCKING MONTHS

ALL U FUCKING SO CALLED DOCTOR GOOKS U FUCKING MOABITES AND FAT FUCKING WHITE BITCHES AND OLD PIECES OF FUCKING SHIT, UR GONNA BE FUCKING SLAVES

>>39920850
can't see why he couldn't be natty

>>39920892
He's only 19/20 I think, I can't wrap my head around him hitting those numbers natty at 80kg.

>>39920944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5S_rWQs1Ro
here is the 83kg world champion

>>39920914
>XDDDDDDDDDDD (multiple chins) you think you know more than the doctors, they say it's not an obstruction

YOU FUCKING BET YOU FAT FUCKING BITCH

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>>39920914
Lol. Inb4 you actually get sepsis from popping those.

>>39919497

What is the consensus on Cardarine (gw-501516) and anderine (s-4)?

Are they safe?

>>39920944
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/27748012/

Like I said, totally possible that he's a /fraud/ but if he started as a young teen, he's only an exceptional lifter.

I have a buddy who is a natty freak who started lifting at 12 because his dad was one of those crazy football dads.

>>39920850
>>39920944
there are several junior lifters better than him, he is strong but still nothing "special" when it comes to powerlifting

>>39921000

I know osterine and s4 can be test suppressive but im not sure about gw-501516

>>39920985
LOL. INB4 A FUCKING NIGGER BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE AND KILLS YOUR FAMILY

>>39920914
i am so glad to be alive in such a historic moment

>>39921033
UNLESS U ARE NOT IN AMERICA THEN IT WILL BE A SO CALLED REFUGEE INSTEAD

>>39920749
Somewhat tight on my feet but I have weird feet to begin with so I dunno. Great shit though, I do not place much value on my footwear, re: even lifting barefoot, but I copped them 40% off and am glad I did.

>>39920914
you are the bimbo of glands

in 2 days they're gonna be back bigger and stronger and you're going to be at a loss again

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If I pin .2ml of tren e subq in my stomach will I die? Some leaked out from my shot earlier and I fucking hate it when any leaks. Feels like all my gains are leaving.

>>39921033
Dey gud boiz dough. Like that thing in Chicago with the disabled kid.

>>39920914
You going to sue or something

>>39921142
OK IF IT IS NOTHING AND JUST A FUCKING COINCIDENCE WHY THE FUCK DID THAT JUST HAPPEN. IT HURT LIKE IT WAS BEING PUNCTURED BY NEEDLES AND THEN IT POPPED, AND MY MOUTH FLOODED WITH MORE SALIVA THAN I HAVE HAD IN MONTHS.

LMFAO I AM GONNA FOAM ROLL MY FUCKING FACE WITH A RUBBER BALL THING. INB4 I BREAK MY JAW

>>39921221
>IT HURT LIKE IT WAS BEING PUNCTURED BY NEEDLES AND THEN IT POPPED
WHEN I PRESSED ON IT WITH ALL MY FUCKING FORCE I MEAN

>>39921168
No it just aborbs slower
And feels weird

>>39921221
Yeah thats great but what do you recommend for pct for a light cycle of ostarine

>>39921238
I RECOMMEND YOU PICK OUT A CHAIN

>>39921000
Apparently GW doesn't shut you down but I'm not sure i believe that

Interested as well

>>39921251
Whats that even mean lol
Go take your benadryl

>>3992129>>39921291
Are you passable yet brah

>>39919497
What's the easiest and safest place to inject, other than quads? I have to start pinning 9 times a week and I can't just rely on my quads anymore.

I'm honestly more worried about using delts or glutes than I was about my first injection.

>>39921298
Yeah I just throw on a dress and jerk off to the mirror

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>>39921323
The fuck, 9 times a week? Pin VG.

>>39921238
>feels weird
Yeah I pinned a little of FLs test in my stomach and it left a good welt for about a week and when sleeping it woke me up when I'd rub it.

>>39921358
Yeah, Methyl-Tren 90 mins prior to training session daily, along with two Test-E injections.

Thanks though, I'm looking at diagrams of the injection site and it doesn't seem too difficult.

>>39921328
The temptation to fuck CDs up there is ridiculous, :so many

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Work still expects me to come in when there's supposed to be ~9" of snow tomorrow at 5am.

>>39921372
OT is that you? I either flex my glute and look for the muscle on my hip that pops out or find the anterior superior illiac crest and pin like a finger width or two towards the rear.

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>>39921440
Que?

>>39921372
>two Test-E injections
>a day

Why

>>39921415
I am addicted to trannies
I need like professional help

>>39921464
Twice a week (Tuesday / Saturday). Methyl-Tren injections are daily.

>>39920337
25

20 year old male. Dons three cycles (epi only (lol), test 500, and test 500 dbol. Never has any sides besides some nip sensitivity here and there. Recovered fine the first two cycles.

So three questions.

Is it dumb for me to not pct now that I'm finishing this third cycle and just BNC at such a going age? (No bb goals just trynnna get big AF)

If I do cruise what's a good cruise dosage? I don't want to have to use an ai during cruise but if so I will.

Three, what should my next blast best? I'm ,6 2 210lbs and about 12% bf. Would love to stay big and lean. Can I try mast or tren or eq yet? Should I up the test?

>>39921238
>Yeah thats great but what do you recommend for pct for a light cycle of ostarine
[spoiler]Aromasin[/spoiler]

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>>39921635
wat

>>39921670
What?

I give up on the natty meme bs.
What are some oral roids (hate needles) that are begginer friendly?
Looking to hit my natty limit faster.

>>39921482
>daily mtren
Left humanity behind yet? Serious question.

>>39921686
You're actually right. Didn't know asin would raise LH and FSH. Forgive me fatlord

>>39921717
Epistane dbol var
All will make you feel like ass without test suck it up and pin

>>39921747
How bout dianabol?

If i took roids to get naty limit will i lose my gains after a while?

>>39921791
That's dbol. You can't or shouldn't run that long so usually it's used to kickstart a test cycle then the gains are solidified as you continue to take test. Also dbol only will shut down your natural test so you will feel like ass. Just pin or go look into sarms

>>39921822
Is possible to take a minimal ammount and still be safe?
I just want natty gains but they take years.

>>39920914
hmm bro are you serious?
You have been walking around with these glands for months, and after squeezing them for a few minutes you reduced their size by 80% ? Thats insane.

The saliva that came out, was it just plain regular savila, or was it some yellow-ish stinky nasty ass fluid?

Try to squeez them some more for a few days and post pics afterwards

also doctors, not even once.

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>>39921859
Pin to win kiddo. You're going to hate your life if you crash your test running orals only. Shit you could pin test subq like a diabetic if you're too scared to go intramuscular.

>>39921881
I dont need roids.
I want to get to otermode faster.

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>>39921924
listen you fucking faggot.
There is no decent way of doing steroids without injecting your fucking pajeet ass. There are ways yeah, but there is always some shitty downside that doesnt make it worth.

Also shoot yourself for risking your health and doing steroids to look like some 150lb ottermode faggot.
>but it takes years

no, it literally takes like 1 fucking year and cutting down to low bf faggot.

And now leave this board and never come back you disgusting scum

>>39920516
Get a DNA test to be sure, and insist that a DNA test is done.

This will do 2 things.
1. Prove whether it's your kid or not, obviously.
2. Show her that you don't trust her.
3. By strongly insisting that she takes part in a DNA test she'll most likely think you are an asshole and not want to be with you.

The downside though, proving that it's your kid will chain you to paying for that kid for the next 18 years. And if she's the filthy slut that I imagine she is, your money will be going towards her buying slutty clothes and whore paint for going to curbside bars to get fucked by more idiots like yourself.

>your lack of self control just sentenced you to 18 years to life
>you should have been on enough gear that you would be shooting blanks

kekus maximus

my roommates cunt ex stole all our winny thinking they were drugs of some kind, xtc or whatever

hope she has a fun weekend taking and/or selling them :>

>>39921635
You cant spoiler on fit newfag

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>that first filt of the day :)

>>39920374
May i ask how that happened?
I mean, its so easy to prevent cum from getting into her vagina.

You either wear a condom or you pull out.
And if you dont do either, there is always Birth Control.

So i really really curious as to how people accidently get someone pregnant. Its so easy to prevent.

>>39921872
I didnt just squeeze I fucking pressed hard as fuck with all my strength and it hurt like fuck

I have squeezed them hard before but this time I was like applying as much force as possible

And idk I didny pay attention, I was just shocked that my mouth was flooded and spit it out

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>>39921279

why the fuck would gw shut you down, it's not a steroidal compound and will never interact with androgen receptors

>>39921425

I don't know if I should feel bad that I immediately recognized both of them

>>39921717
>>39921747
>>39921791
>>39921822
>>39921859
>>39921924
>What are some oral roids (hate needles) that are begginer friendly?

>>39922037
did it taste like satans rancid smegma or just saliva

you might have noticed that at least

Ran a test 500mg 12 week kickstarted with 40mg dbol cycle. What pct should I look at? I got nolva on hand and have used it before. Been reading that 40/40/20/20 might be a lil over kill. Also some niggas online are saying that pct in general is pseudo science? Shit true?

>>39922006
Why are you so happy and not, well, mad?

Why do I get super pumped on tren after I eat but then get completely flat after that? I just measured my arms before I worked out and a few hours after my post workout meal, and they are half an inch smaller. I feel more pumped after I eat than after I workout too

>>39922077

>>rancid smegma

Band name, called it.

>>39922091
got them for literal peanuts apiece so not much financial value is lost

but she will either take a fistful and grow a beard or try to sell them at some rave and get her ass torn by druggies feeling ripped off - or simply get busted by police

can you see why this is hilarious to me


>>39922157
i aim to please

>>39921238
What are your lifts right now jerry.

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Feeling full as fuck after 1 week carbing up. Feel 2x times bigger already and i just started this 500mg test blast.

Was 9 months on low carb diet and thought i was just like this, but it was all a lie after all.

I made a flexing video, but i could not upload it. Apparently it was too sexy to upload, so have some sneak peeks instead

>>39922085
After using sterons for 5 years or so, I stopped doing pct after a cycle. Haven't noticed any difference.

You're going to lose some weight and gradually stop feeling like Chad Thundercock when you come off a cycle. You won't be as strong, big, and happy again until you do your next cycle because being On feels better than being Off, and I think bros convince themselves that it's some serious condition that needs medication when they come off cycle. There's going to be a short adjustment period where your body kicks back on after a cycle, it makes sense that blocking the estrogen rebound / kick starting your balls would make that adjustment quicker, but pct is still a bit of a psuedo science and I haven't noticed any negative impact by no longer doing them, and yes, I come off of everything between cycles.

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>>39922330
well meme'd friend.

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>>39919961
>I was thinking of maybe using ostarine for its healting properties and help in muscle wasting. The question is, could I run it without supplemental test?
Yes. I would also recommend some kind of growth hormone and tb500 and bpc157
>>39920500
>>39920529
Ya know it's situations like today that worry me the most. I always carry unless I am prohibitted by law.
Like in an airport...

>>39920914
After spamming your fucking MRI and glands progress pics the least you could do is post an "after" pic

>>39922381
he's mostly right

you don't need to pct, you'll recover eventually regardless... it's still stupid because you can cut that recovery down by literally months by just eating your goddamn pills

>>39922381
I've never needed PCT, libido stays crazy and testes return to original size within 2 weeks, every time. I wouldn't say that's necessarily true of everyone, but the endocrine system is an individual thing, like most anything else.

>>39921000
>What is the consensus on Cardarine (gw-501516)
Does not shut you down, as brick said

here's some pasta I wrote once about the cancer scare around this drug

1. the one study is a rat/mouse study where they were given absurd doses (above what the fitness dose prescribed for athletes is/was - yes, even corrected for the difference in animal model) for >100 weeks (closer to 2 years) that can't be taken seriously for the aforementioned reasons (also plz note that most people don't take gw for more than 12 weeks

2. so much evidence to the contrary. see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17693664>Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-beta/delta (PPARbeta/delta) ligands do not potentiate growth of human cancer cell lines.
>The quantitative nature of the present findings are inconsistent with the hypothesis that cancer cell lines respond differentially as compared with normal cells, and provide further evidence that PPARbeta/delta ligands do not potentiate tumorigenesis.
>PPARbeta/delta ligands do not potentiate tumorigenesis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17893232
>attenuate colon carcinogenesis

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18054822
>inhibit growth of UACC903 and MCF7 human cancer cell lines.

https://cellandbioscience.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2045-3701-2-34
>This study clarified the mechanism underlying GW501516-dependent promotion of hepatic repair by stimulating proliferation of HSCs via the p38 and JNK MAPK pathways.
>helps ur liver

I have no reason to shill gw and am not on it but to give people cancer scares for no reason kinda sucks

>>39919589
This is fucking hilarious to read considering who it's coming from

>>39922488
>>39922483
My balls never really shrink, but I've only down 3 cycles. Last time I did PCT I got acne and was a moody bitch so I'm just hesitant to hop back into it if its not needed. Probably will run it and see cuz like
>>39922483
said, the human body will recover but PCT speeds it the fuck up so y not

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>>39922483
its retarded tho. he's spreading his anecdotal luck with his endocrine system and other retard sheep will follow his retard advice and fuck themselves up, in return they will come back here and annoy us with retard questions.

yeah, didn't think about that did you.

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>>39922330
not sure if 2/10 bait

implying it is not what do you pin that you consider pct optional or even pseudo science

were i to just zen off my cycle by coming to terms with the fact i am now off cycle or whatever sheer faggotry you propagate i would die gruesomely sporting a pair of fantastic tits

>>39922535
Somebody get this man a joint.

>>39922467

Totally.

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>>39920914
History has been made senpai.

Post pics faggot I wanna see.

>>39921924
>roiding
>for something EASILY achievable natty

You fuckers have downs I swear.

>>39922006
Bimbo?

>>39922281
There he is!

Post it to YouTube.

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>>39922565
go away shit trip

>>39922591
;(

>>39919961
Osta is minimally suppressive so you don't need a test base.

Just make sure you don't go over 15mg

>>39922525
>Last time I did PCT I got acne and was a moody bitch so I'm just hesitant to hop back into it if its not needed.
you will get acne with or without using SERMs

the hormonal fluctuation does it

>>39922598
why did you get rid of the name friendo

>>39922654
I'm just in a nameless sort of mood, man.

>>39922543
Not bait at all.
If you run tren or deca and you shut yourself down hard, sure, use something to get things going again.

But know nothing faggots that think they need a whole regimine of pct drugs after a cycle of anything are idiots. Old school bodybuilders never did post cycles and doctors kickstart boys into puberty by giving them test, not estrogen blockers or an AI. There is a rebound effect when your testosterone dips too low and your balls turn back on rather quickly, but people want instant results so they come off of drugs/hormones by using more drugs/hormones.

>>39922590
no bimbo here

but roommate ex kind of fits the same premise, except half as hot and twice as dumb

>>39922509

thanks for the info, ill look into this

>>39922824
eh, technically you do have a point. but still, do not give people advice that they can skip pct, some of them will fuck up grossly and come pester us for advice lmao

>>39922824
>If you run tren or deca and you shut yourself down hard, sure, use something to get things going again.
>degrees of shutdown
ar eyou stupid

So we all agree meeting a tinder match for the first time while she's out partying with friends is a bad idea, right

>>39922886
its pretty bad, but it could be fun. high risk, high reward.

>>39922899
This. Might be a total wash, or you might shag get and get a line on her cute friends.

Sky's the limit. Might even score a drunken threesome.

>>39922881
>what are metabolites

>>39922943
nice random buzzword!

what the fuck is mewing

>>39922962
chewing gum to make your jaw muscles better or something.

am I allowed to ask if a particular ugl is legit?

>>39923007
i dont think so, if its an ugl from SST you can email me @ [email protected] and i'll see if i can't cough up some reviews.

>>39922962
some autismo looksmaxing thing

>>39923007
no

>>39923015
SST?

I thinks its UK based

>>39923054
Just hit me an email with the name of the UGL.

Yo fellas, I got my hands on LGD 4033 and S4. What are your opinions on a 8 weeks cycle then using clomid for PCT?

>>39920914
FINALLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY

>>39920374
Bro fucking run NOW hopefully once she realizes you wont be there she'll abort else ur both fuked

Are you sure its even yours? Make sure you get a paternal test the second its born

>>39920374
meet with her and make her a tea with a cocktail of these things

http://www.sisterzeus.com/Abortif.htm

enjoy your free life.

>>39920914
congratz bro

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>tfw experienced tren cough for the first time

>>39923746
What is this, describe the feeling

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What kind of mental effects have you guys personally experienced from cycling? Energy boost, motivation?

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>>39919681
>Don't yolo it hoping everything will be fine
2late

thinking about going spooky skeleton mode, growing my hair out, and getting tats like this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cABZfkRcQ6A

talk me down from the ledge

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>>39921221
>tfw you have no irl friends to talk to so you post achievementst to a thread for autistic roiding bodybuilders and the few more autistic natties who lurk/shitpost

>>39919681
>Roids are useless at best and dangerous at worst if you don't have your nutrition, training, and recovery sorted, especially if you're not already knowledgeable and experienced on the matter.
wrong. unless you're a genetic reject or the roids aren't real, roids will give you gains no matter what if you haven't used them before

>>39923812
when you pin and hit a vein and some of the tren gets in

i've always heard it described as a deep tickle in the back of the throat with some coughs

i relate it to the burning feeling in the back of your lungs after you set a pr mile time + some coughing.

Should i take anabol to get natty results any person gets in one or two years of lifting?
Am i a retard?

>>39924055
Well, maybe not useless, but you'll just end up with the same problems later when they stop masking your stupidity. At that point, your only options are to figure out the shit you were supposed to figure out before or up the dose.

>>39924242
no
yes

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>>39923118
I doubt you will need PCT but if so I would do half of a normal clomid pct.
>>39923746
That pupper looks like a douche canoe

Can't wait for the klan bonfire meeting later tonight.

>>39924289
Explain whats wrong with a low safe dosis of anabol for those natty gains?

>>39924310
either do it right or don't do it. low dosis are shit and give minimal gains but you'll still need the same pct afterwards when u want go natty again.

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>>39924310
>Explain whats wrong with a low safe dosis of anabol for those natty gains?
read >>39924242
>Am i a retard?
>>39924289
>yes

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>>39924310
>>39924337
>low dosis

Well, explain faggots why my idea is dumb.
I want to look natty but dont wanna wait a year.

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>>39924386
you're a fucking retard but let me explain it for you.

if you take a small dose of gear, lets say 100mg test enanthate and you have a healthy endocrine system, you will just suppress your natural test production while having slightly higher test levels.

the slightly higher test levels will still be in normal range and barely give you any speed up in gains, but you still need to do PCT because you're still probably shutting things down and not going to cruise on this.

so either take proper dosages, blast that shit for 16 weeks and make real progress with proper pct or don't bother at all.

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>>39924428
>you're a fucking retard but let me explain it for you.

>proceeds to go on a tangent about how lose doses of injectable testosterone is shit

>misses the part of low "dosis of anabol"
>anabol
>low dosis

he is retarded, and so are you. but he is also more retarded than you originally thought.

>>39924449
>mfw i thought he meant it as in "anabolic steroids"
>mfw he means dianabol

staying up late till 3 am didn't make this easier.

>>39924449
Well, explain and help a newbie.
I dont want to shutdown my liver.

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>>39924464
>giving noobies this much credit
it's okay, we all make mistakes sometimes

>>39924476
>help a newbie.
not until i run out of hank hill pictures

>>39924511
acceptable meme as always.
>>39924289
any luck with the acne buddy ?

>>39924511
Come on bro, i need some advice.
Is 30mg daily of dianabol during a month, safe?

>>39924544
you will get zero gains, your gonna get excess estrogen, you might get bitchtits, if you are retarded and drink alcohol while on it you might get cirrhosis.

so just fuck off because you're retarded

>>39919513
26
2 years
17-19%

Want to do a basic test e cycle 250mg every 3 days.

My question is, how often do people get busted for this kind of thing. My career would be over if I got a charge for drugs.

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>>39924566
>>39924544
checked

>you will get zero gains
he will get water gains and maybe some muscle gains (tiny amount)
but then lose it when he comes off, then lose the muscle when he goes through pct (if he does) could potentially be worse than he started if no pct(most likely the case considering the poster).
>your gonna get excess estrogen
most likely, unless ai is used (most likely not due to poster's knowledge)

>bitch tits
>cirrhosis
maybe, maybe not

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>>39922824
>Old school bodybuilders never did post cycles and doctors kickstart boys into puberty by giving them test, not estrogen blockers or an AI.

>>39924609
Why the only way to do roids is to jack an entire farnaceutical in your body?
I want to get to my natty limit fast.

I've got some pretty gnarly acne on my chest and shoulders this blast, to the point where a Doc prescribed me minocycline (which hasn't had too much of an effect).

Will this acne fuck off when I transition to a cruise or will I need accutane/ something stronger than minocycline?

>>39920914
Looking forward to the side by side pic

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>>39924618

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>>39924687
question 1
how long do you think it takes to reach your "natty limit" (reasonably)?

question 2
do you honestly think you'd get there fast without pumping your body full of "farnaceuticals" or 4 weeks of dbol?

>>39921602
Eq

>>39924807
Would you like to help me by giving some info to read or do you assume im some oldfag?

>>39924807
Q 1
3-5 years depending on goals

Q 2
??
atleast half the time with roids or a 1/4th if its alot of roids but then again fuck natty limit roids are meant to go above that.

better yet ask natT

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>>39924850
>do you assume im some oldfag
didn't even cross my mind with the type of questions you're asking.


reddit r/steroids wiki is a good start for information about the ronalds

to be honest, don't even worry about them. you sound dyel and i imagine you have no idea how to lift or eat properly. you'll end up snapping your shit and getting bitch tits. you say you want to hit the natty limit, but you don't even know what that is.

>>39924877
>better yet ask natT

Natty limit is different for everyone. It depends on a lot of shit, frame, current weight, if you've eaten healthy your whole life and done sports or are a fatass slob, natural test levels, etc.

For a decently physically fit person who's been active, relatively short, and higher end of natty test production I'd say 2 years at least of strict lifting, diet, and coaching since newbies always fuck everything up and that'd put you behind.

Increase in time for anything less than prime beginner status. For example without a coach to push you or people telling you what to do I'd probably say it'll take closer to twice that time for you to figure everything out yourself and do it right till your limit.

People equivalent to my strength in bench a year ago before they began roids made my progress in a year in about a month and a half or so. Make of that what you will.

>>39925014
thanks bro, has bimbo given you any good tips on being a porn star/model ?

>>39925045
>has bimbo given you any good tips on being a porn star
his butthole stretching routine

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>>39925045
Eat Pussy general life tip tho

I bought gunpla today for the first time in over a year. Let's hope this silly ass robot is decently cool.

>>39925128
>not saving that tight butthole for a once in a life time check on not gay yet porn sites.
>wanting to be poor before you get into the grove of making money.

gotta play the market and do your research lad
>>39925133
gonna learn to eat puss puss buddy

gundam good shit m8y

Best neck exercise for mass?
>no blowjob memes

>>39925219
gay porn
shrugs
lateral and front raises
and everybody says there necks become bigger from deadlifting soooo google this shit.

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>>39925219
forgot im a link faggot
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/NeckWt.html

>>39924608
I read test doesn't show up on drug tests unless they're specifically searching for it and it costs a lot of money to look for them so mostly just sports associations test for it.

I'm military and on gear and I haven't been popped yet so you should be good

>going to trans support group next week
Maybe ill get a gf

>>39925971
lol how many people are you gonna guess are gonna be there ?

>she

>>39926062
I dunno 10-15?
100% guaranteed gf
Atleast a fwb

>>39926074
well it is a support group not a 12 step program. so i guess it cant be that hard to grab one.

ill bet that one of your tranny escorts are in there or 2 if your lucky well get some green text from you after the affair

>>39925971
Why are you going to a trans support group? You're not going to pretend to be trans, are you?

>>39926115
who needs to pretend?

Hust got mucinex which apparently will loosen my mucus and fucking help expell these fucking mucus plugs

>>39926589
when do we get after pics?

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>>39926589
>>39926607


Seconding the after pics, after seeing you post for the last week about this shit I feel we deserve to see the final pics. The ending to the movie.

>>39926097
Certainly atleast a greentext

>>39926115
I mean i already crossdress a bit
My tranny friend is going so why not

>>39926747
>My tranny friend is going so why not
you have a tranny friend and dont fuck her?/

thats not very alpha of you jerry

>>39926872
Its my friend for like a decade
I have trouble calling them female let alone sucking their feminine penis

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Does anyone on a cut feel more satisfied just taking a protein drink than eating real food?

>400 calories pork shoulder steak
>150 calories sweet potato
>150 calories beans lentils or cauliflower cheese
>"fuck thats good, but im hungry, damn i want more"

>take 500ml soymilk
>2 scoops of casein
>shake now turns into a thickass, slop of chocolate goodness
>350 calories
>"that's great, im satisfied now".

Could it be the near complete absence of any carbs in the protein shake that triggers it? it's like 10g, maybe 2g if I take the soya light or almond milk.

Cutting at 1600-2k cals vs 3k TDEE atm.

>>39927066
Theres a difference between satiation and calories. Protein is very filling

>>39927066
>take 500ml soymilk
stopped reading here tb h familo

>>39927095

who gives a shit about "muh soy", we all take roids and AI it doesn't do jack shit even to most natties.

milk is too sweet for protein shakes, I prefer the subtle taste of soy or almonds, lot less calories too.

>>39927094

the first meal has more protein.

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>>39927094
you wanna know what else is filling?

I crashed my estrogen on accident with aromasin. So yes you can apparently crash it with asin, not just lower it by 50% or how people were arguing earlier.

What will happen if I take 25mg of dbol? Will I grow tits or will I just get some fucking e2 in me? I feel like shit. Can't move, don't care about anything, dick is completely dead.

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>>39927416
>I crashed my estrogen on accident with aromasin. So yes you can apparently crash it with asin, not just lower it by 50% or how people were arguing earlier.
You don't say anon...
>>39927416
>What will happen if I take 25mg of dbol? Will I grow tits or will I just get some fucking e2 in me? I feel like shit. Can't move, don't care about anything, dick is completely dead.
I have no idea about the dbol. I say wait a few days and you will feel better.
Alternatively whack 100mg test prop in you ass.


Sup degenerates?

>>39927463
bored af tbH

>>39927463
Popped 25mg dbol, I remember reading on reddit some guys talking about keeping dbol on hand incase their e2 gets crashed. Let's see if it works

How much muscle can i add a month with test levels at 1000-1200 trt

>>39927627
approx 2.56lbm

>>39927632
That sounds like about the same while I was at 161 Toral t

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>>39927492
>bored af tbH
I'm trying to explain Emerson's self reliance to a few basketball Americans.
It's not going well LMAO.
>>39927509
>Popped 25mg dbol, I remember reading on reddit some guys talking about keeping dbol on hand incase their e2 gets crashed. Let's see if it works
Sounds reasonable. I would love to hear the results.


F

>>39927632
Test levels at 1000-1200 with test c 220mg and I'll only gain the same as when I was at total time 161? But why tho

>>39927664
Because youre still within natural levels of testosterone you mong. Gains dont come faster unless you have supraphysiological levels.

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Damn I'm hot

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What we saying boys

>>39927721
Should have bought ritalin

>>39927726
>ritalin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G7FTO3HxAA

>>39927688
that is the most retarded shit i have ever heard

>>39927753
I'm >>39927664
Explain pls. Is there hope for faster than average gains assuming diet and routine are on pointhe. I know it won't be as much gains as a 500ng test e cycle but how much are we talking here. Estimate?

>>39927699
>Damn I'm hot
>caption says: I'm cool

WHAT IS IT, THEN

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>>39927699
mirin, i want that beard, but not the chest hair.

Currently on minoxidil treatment for beard, fucking jaw area looks like some flaking molding beard due to dryness that minoxidil causes

>>39927721
Why not ECA stack. It's nice with DMAA

>>39927876

Most people seem to say the aspirin is unnecessary and just to use EC

>>39927876
Pick up a quality face moisturizer. My skin under my beard gets dry when it gets unreal bushy.

>>39927895
Isn't Aspirin for reducing the blood pressure?

The first time i used the ECA stack with DMAA, i felt my heart beat in my head. It's no joke

>>39927910
Yeah i use one with q10 crème, but you can't moisturize it when the monix is still on the face. I use it when i got it at least 4 hours on.

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I am mad and jelly af and he;s also natty!!!

we are inferior to the BBC

>Order gets sent to me twice

Do I just keep it it's not like I can send it back

>>39927721
mail me some canadalad

>>39928215
yes

>>39921000
>>39922509
2 studies on cancer, and its dont massive doses, the lowest doses also caused these issues, and they are only 2 to 4x greater than the human equivalent doses used in people.

Which is too close for comfort imho. Theres other studies showing it has anti-cancer properties in human cell lines.

But again, which turns out to right or neither is not known.

S4 has bad side effects, use LGD, its proven safe in even extreme doses. Will lower your test a lot, just not shut you done.

Though some people may not feel side effects of low test as it also crashes SHBG, meaning free test vs total test goes way up. (hint: This can be stacked with test and other steroids to get effective higher doses while adding the benefits of LGD itself - keep in mind estrogen conversion will also go up).

If you want a known safe cardio drug, then ITPP works, all it does is increase the amount of oxygen that is released from red blood cells. This should also be cancer suppressive (cancer likes low oxygen, increasing oxygen is bad for cancer) - this may make chemo and other treatments more effective as it should slow cancer regrowth between treatments etc, as well as keeping a patient on their feat with somewhat countering the effects of low rbc from chemo and keeping oxygen released closer to normal.

This can be a double whammy combined with EPO - which makes more red blood cells meaning more oxygen, the ITPP releasing more oxygen from all of them.

Many steroids also raise RBC.

More oxygen means the aerobic to anaerobic boundary is raised keeping you aerobic for longer before hitting anaerobic - this should also push your anaerobic limits up.

>>39919513

>3 months
>34
>25-20-30?

I just can't seem to drop the weight. I heard that tren has really good nutrient partitioning.

That means I can take tren and keep eating (yes, before you flame, I tried calorie deificet, just doesn't work for me, with tren, I can bulk and just gain lean muscle) and get shredded insead of skinny fat right?

I didnt make much progress this month and it's super discouraging. I gained weight at calorie deficiet (lean mass gains I assume, I got a lot stronger and size=strength so I put on muscle)

I did everything I was told to by reddit (IIFYM, eating a lot of small meals) but I can't seem to make progress. my diet has a lot of lean protien (mcdoubles with no buns and stuff) so it's pretty clean , like PB+J for carbs, ice cream for fat (On ICF 5x5 so it makes sense)

I'm super careful about macros

I'm convinced that all the lean dried out d00ds under 15% must be on tren or smth and I wanna look like tha.t


first cycle advice? I've been a natty) high test alpha all my life. Heard tren lowers ur test so I want a small test base. I don't wanna end up some 400ngl subhuman

What's a good cycle? 16 weeks, 125mg test E + 200 mg tren ace?

What kind of PCT do I need for 125mg test? None right? No AI either?

This natty lifting stuff is a pretty big meme desu if you cant make progress as high test and good genetics idk

>>39919540
Underrated.

This is like the best post ive ever read

>>39928572

Wow progressive loading is so new and underrated

>>39928569
What kind of retard would think that anyone would even take this post seriously for more than 5 seconds

Maybe try reddit where they are used to being spammed by retards who actually post shit like this and are serious about it

>>39928569
this is like five to seven different bait attempts mushed into one. if trolling, tone it down a notch breh; if genuine, kill yourself immediately.

>>39927831
He's a fucking moron. If you go from 161 test to over 1000 you are going to feel like you went from an old man to chad thundercock the prime 20 year old pussy slaying champion, in both gains and mental aspects

>>39928659
He, as in the guy telling you it will make no difference. If you are actually 161 ng/dl test, it will change your life completely

>>39922085
Probably late reply but I've come off 2 year Blast - Cruise with no PCT. Also it's now more recommended you run nolva 20mg for longer instead of huge amounts at the start.

>>39928569
>tfw wanting to bite but getting post too long three times in a row

4chan does not want you to have my frothing scorn so you will not get it.

>>39928691
4chan stopped you from replying to the most obvious troll we've had in weeks

you should be thankful

>>39923821
On tren my mind is always focused on sex, I have literally infinite confidence and outgoingness, speak in a deeper voice, way more aggressive in a good way, etc..

Basically zyzz in a bottle, it's not just a meme broscience thing. For me, anyway.

I am 24/7 so horny even directly after ejaculating that if I see a a girl in yoga pants with a nice ass or something I just cant help but clench my fist so hard. Made my hand bleed once because I was holding something with pointed edges.

Makes you want to fuck everything in sight. I always hated fags and stuff, but I am pretty sure if a hot looking tranny came onto me right now I would fuck the shit out if it, it's that bad. Ugly girls, trannies, fat bitches. Everything is appealing...

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>>39928711
Well I was looking forward to nitpicking every single point in detail with increasing amounts of caps lock use and racial and/or homophobic slurs, along with multiple, increasingly severe accusations of brain function modifying birth defects caused by maternal ingestion of alcohol and drugs. You see, this is a hobby of mine and most other boards I like to do it on are dead at this time kek

>>39928659
>>39928675
thanks im very excited and looking forward to becoming a chad. but, i was wondering how much lbs of muscle would hovering around 1000-1200 let you gain a month assuming diet and routine are on point. still 2? i was hoping it would be 4 or 5 lbs a month or am i dreaming too hard

>>39927876
Check this out little buddy. It's a study that tested the efficacy of peppermint oil (topically) against minoxidil and a few other 'herbal' hair growth treatments.

Abstract
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=peppermint%20oil%20minoxidil
Full paper
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289931/

>>39928829
Some gay transgender demisexual nigger on here swears by pumpkin seed oil

>>39928808
4 or 5 would be retarded since if you did the math that would mean you could gain 60lbs of muscle a year on 250mg test. no one would ever use more than that if that were the case since it would be pointless and you would look like arnold in a year or two.

>>39928829
I was looking for this, thanks. Read about it but could not recall the exact parameters of the study.

>>39928855
wow so nattys litteraly take like 6 months to put 2lbs of muscle on?

>>39928909
lol. its fucking hilarious when you think about it. look at the natty "progress" pictures and then realize how literally at least 75% of their "gains" are just fat. all the "big" natties are just fat as fuck

>>39925219
Fuck neck exercises bro new dress shirts are expensive.

TFW have just gone from 16.5 to 17 neck and had to wear a shirt that didn't quite button to a wedding.

Now I have to buy all new dress shirts again FML.

>>39927114
>lot less calories

Not less than skim milk senpai.

If you want true health you gotta go grass fed on the milk with fat.

>>39929023
t.necklet

>>39928829
Can confirm, been using a few drops of peppermint oil (about four per fl oz of other oil) in a castor oil carrier for a month now and I see beard and hair gains already. Nothing to really show off yet but minox sides were ruining my life and I need my dht in check so fina is out of the question too, so idc if I sound like a herb hippie but this shit is the bees knees.

Be careful to use a mild shampoo afterwards though, or you will smell like a faggot for days to come.

>>39929048
an unwashed faggot at that, raw castor oil is RANK haha

>>39928829
Thank you for this useful advice buddy.

Where do i acquire this 3% peppermint oil?

I am seeing already sick results with; keto shampoo + saw + pumpkin + scalp exercises and biotin

What will happen if i also add that little secret. My hair is already out of control.

I am still losing some hair during shower, but i grow more hair than i ever had in my life.

>>39929162
I imagine you can get the peppermint oil from an aromatherapy store or more likely ebay. It's 3% in solution - so mix it with some penetration enhancer like (m)ethanol or similar.

>>39928844
HE MAD BECAUSE I AM NOW MONEY, SCIENCE AND BIG

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4017725/

>>39929179
I don;t know why so many people are bald and just leave it like that while there are so many fucking options.

I remember that JM was on duta+fina for years and he killed his fucking dick so he had to buy dick pills to get his dick working. And he was also still bald, kek

On a related noted; do you think it will also help for beard growth?

>>39929207
>>I don;t know why so many people are bald
garbage cuckold genes?

>>39929207
I am currently planning a my beard growth protocol with peppermint oil only. I just purchased some minox for beard gains then read this paper so I'd rather go with the more effective (and safer) peppermint oil.

>yes I think PEO would help with beard growth.

>waste hours and hours doing retarded stretches for anterior pelvic tilt
>start doing weighted situps
>pelvic tilt gone instantly

is there any reason to take pumpkin seed oil if you are on fina? Since they both do the same thing?

>>39929236
do ab wheel rollouts instead

>>39929250
for once a gimmick you see in those "order within the next 20 minutes and save $10" commercials is useful?

>>39929265
yes don't your gym have one?

>>39929265
Dude they are killer on your abs.

Then you can put a plate on your back for more resistance and it's good for balance, too!

>>39929219
I saw enough people that were fucking bald and got sick results with a combination of scalp exercises + saw + keto shampoo etc.

I mean, why are there not trying something against. It looks like shit

>>39929225
Cool, i found this. Seems legit or would you just only use the peppermint oil for your scalp?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/300575-how-to-use-peppermint-oil-for-the-scalp/

What happens if you use keto + monix + pepermint for beard gains? I am ready to use that combo. I got no side effects from keto, maybe some more shedding when applying.

Keep me updated on this beard progress, i am interested in the results

>>39929238
No, but using keto shampoo is really helpful with fina, i have read a study about it.

Finasteride is effective at reducing scalp DHT level,
but it does nothing to stop the remaining DHT from
binding to the abundant AR found in AGA patients.
Local ketoconazole 2% can potentially inhibit DHT
production and/or DHT binding to AR. Finasteride
therapy adjunct with ketoconazole shampoo
could potentially block the DHT pathway more
completely; however, further clinical trials are
warranted.

>>39929295
don't forget derma rolling

study
http://www.ijtrichology.com/article.asp?issn=0974-7753;year=2013;volume=5;issue=1;spage=6;epage=11;aulast=Dhurat

results
http://www.ijtrichology.com/viewimage.asp?img=IntJTrichol_2013_5_1_6_114700_u9.jpg

http://www.ijtrichology.com/viewimage.asp?img=IntJTrichol_2013_5_1_6_114700_u10.jpg

>>39929295
I would drop the keto from your face asap. There are sites (pubic, underarm, face) where the follicles are primarily influenced by DHT. By using keto you would be preventing the DHT at that location.

My current plan is to dilute my small bottle of minox with an amount of peppermint oil to achieve a 3% peppermint oil + minox solution. The ethanol in the bottle will act as a penetration enhancer. Then I'll just apply it to my face/scalp/shaft/wherever.

>Keep me updated on this beard progress, i am interested in the results
Will do boss

>>39929238
not really. you could just pop 1mg of fina more and it would be the same as adding PSO.

seriously if you are on fina there is no point to do anything else for your hais, besides scalp exercises and derma rolling, because these can trigger actual hair growth.

>>39929207
>>39929225
Peppermint Oil, just like Castor oil is used as a PGE 2 enhancer in your scalp.

Swisstemples states that there is conflicting data for peppermint Oil tho.

http://swisstemples.com/what-to-buy-and-use/

scroll down

So i'd exchange the peppermint oil for castor oil, they do the same thing. PGE 2 enhancer and anti-inflammatory

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>>39929314
I know, I am doing scalp exercises. Just making sure i get a good amount of blood into the scalp muscle. Isn't that what monix also does?

That shit it also working very well i think. I look like a fucking freak doing it, but whatever it takes goddamit.

>>39929323
Seems reasonable, I am not applying the keto on the face then. But since I am using the keto, I am seeing crazy hair growth. Or it might be the combo with the scalp exercises also.

I think i will just add the peppermint oil to monix regimen like you mentioned.

WE ELL GENNE MAKE IT BREHS

>>39929327
So we all on the peppermint and scalp now

WE NOT GONNA GET BALD BREHS

How do I cope with having a chest gap?

>>39929327
I currently use castor instead of peppermint oil.

I can't find anything in the paper on swisstemples website as to why he ruled it out
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262447/
The only line that makes any reference as to why it would be bad is > It could also effectively inhibit nitric oxide (NO) and prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) production in lipopolysaccharide (LPS)-activated RAW 264.7 macrophages.
The key term here would be macrophage.

Not only that - a lot of his data is anecdotal from users of hairloss forums. I'd prefer a study that explicitly compares the efficacy of a hair growth medicine with peppermint oil (among others).

>>39929373
get your chest as big a possible and hope for the best.

>>39929364
Yes, despite popular claim "Minox blocks DHT", it also increases bloodflow in your scalp alot. Which is why scalp exercises and scalp massaging work.

The bloodflow thingy makes all sense when you check out the epicranial area on google pics. Its the area where men go bald, and its also the scalp area which has barely any bloodflow, thus the hairloss.

>>39929468
link to scalp exercises?

>>39928366

thanks!

>>39929489
http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/my-approach-2/

Under the "my approach" tab you'll find all of the articles.
He explains everything you need to know on his website.

And no, you dont need to buy the dvd and no im not shilling him. Its there for free.

holy fucking shit. how do you guys deal with coming off tren? i am going to miss it so bad. it makes me so alpha, and so horny. i want to fuck everything in sight.

>>39929207

Im using punpkin oil, saw palmetto and keto shampoo atm and my hair is still fading fast

I guess if your genes are shitty enough youre just out of luck

>>39929556
haha. what are you running, and age? family history?

inb4 masteron

>>39929540
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25461682

>>39929556
How long are you doing it? It can take months for seeing some results.

Also doing the scalp exercises? I am still shedding, but growing new hair at the same time.

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>>39929581
who is this mast copycat

>>39929581
>one study on rats

you don't see an epidemic of bodybuilders suffering from tren induced alzheimers do you?

>>39929556
it takes 4-6 months to see visible progress in your hair.

it took me one year of scalp exercises to notice that my hair has stopped falling out.

It took years to lose your hair, it will take years to get it back.

>>39929652
can you imagine how selfish bald fucks are to have kids? like what kind of fucking demons can they be? they get all cuckolded over being bald, then go make some fucking babies that will have to suffer it too

nowadays it doesn't really matter since it will probably be cured by medical science in less than 10-15 years but still.

>>39929565

natty atm

been using finasteride for about a year and hair loss still occurred but very very slowly

I came off and it is back with a vengeance

I am running meme-k-677 very soon and apparently that can help hairloss aswell so maybe that will help

I not Ill be back on the fina

>>39929581

I am not doing the exercises so far but im looking into them now

also considering biotin

>>39929680
jesus christ. i need to go suck my fathers dick immediately. i'm on 700 tren and was just popping dbol (im the guy that crashed his estrogen and was asking if that would help) and i just ran my hands forcefully through my hair like 10 times, and 0 came out.

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>>39929327
>>39929364

Gentlemen, grab a drink, I will lay down some wisdom now. My sister is a certified specialist in some cosmetics bullshit I forgot the name of because I am not a metrosexual faggot, but I just hit her up about the topic and she sent me the recipe she tells her clients for this kind of hair growth approach.

This is for one dose to be used once, you can prepare it for up to a week in advance (stored in a sealed container in the fridge) then it will go icky.

2 tablespoons coconut oil (general GOAT for scalp health)
2 tablespoons almond oil (something to do with sebum control)
2 tablespoons pumpkin seed oil (need I even explain that one)
1 tablespoon castor oil (for that sweet PGE2)
1 teaspoon rosemary extract or a small handful of dried herb if you cannot get any (blood circulation to the scalp)
1 generous dash of cayenne pepper (see above)
1 tablespoon of finely minced fresh garlic, optimally blended (blood circulation, also nukes germs)

Weigh all that shit into a bowl, now for every 25g of oil you add six to eight drops of 100% undiluted peppermint oil (PGE2 bae), mentioning this cause if you want to make more you need to do the math.

Stir until roughly homogenous, let warm up until no longer fridge-cool to the touch (do not actively heat except maybe three seconds in the microwave if you are such a busy person), lather your scalp and optionally face in that shit and massage it in. Let stay either 45min. to an hour or optimally overnight. Wash out with one to three (it somewhat sticks) rinses of very mild baby shampoo.

Optionally ingest an arbitrary quantity of all the oils mentioned save for castor and peppermint twice a day to soothe your impatient autism lmao