Aesthetics >>> Strength

can't stand that cunt

Strength is useless. Of course it's Aesthetics that win out.

>>39873275
>using the cuckiest examples for both

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>>39873275
>Aesthetics is for faggots

>>39873275
wow, people who like an aesthetic body builders facebook page voted that aesthetics are more important, what a fucking shocker!!!!!!!

>>39873275
Can't stand those cunts

>>39873275
>>39873439
So-called 'aesthetics' are for lazy guys who are pandering to females so much that it's an obsession; you don't have to go to anywhere NEAR as much effort for mere 'aesthetics', and frankly if you have money you can just get surgeries for much of it. Meanwhile actual athletes are training all year 'round and orders of magnitude harder because of the stringent unforgiving demands of whatever their sport-of-choice is. Preening in a mirror or flexing for club sluts is nothing compared to hours spent at a competitive sport.

>>39873275
>thinking girls would even notice joff if he was standing next to Eddie

He's literally half a foot shorter
This is a prime example of why manlets shouldn't even bother if there's a normal sized man around

>>39873526
but we're not talking about sports, cunt.
aesthetics are pleasing to myself as much as or more than any sloot

All Eddie has to do is cut to pander to the BB crowd. All Jeff has to do is deadlift 500kg to get to Eddie's strength.

>>39874533

Yeah this.

Women are satisfied with any guy that is 10% bf and has a little muscle mass

99% of fit is not happy to be a 'hungry skeleton'

This pursuit is done for ourselves, for pride, etc

>>39874555

No? He would be a disgusting fridge mode kokolov mode monstorosity with 0 vtaper because of how he trained

>>39873526
Most of the guys here miss much by not doing sports. Its a much better lifestyle than flexing your biceps in front of a mirror. You really don't give a shit about aesthetics when you see someone doing something like this next to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UVMFrik_WQ

>>39873275
Why not both?

>people who prefer aesthetics follow Jeff Seid

Can't stand these cunts

Jeff is cut, but not 'sthetic.

For me it's like the whole "money buying happiness" thing. Money actually can buy happiness to a point. It stops being effective about where you have to stop worrying about it. I think strength is more important at the beginning but nobody gets any use out of the ability to lift 500lbs off the floor. At that point your efforts come back to you more practically by lifting for aesthetics.

>>39874606
Actually if you look at Eddie's regimen he has historically trained pretty much like a bodybuilder. He incorporates strongman lifts and tends to go a lot heavier on the big lifts (obviously), but he isolates a few body parts per session and does a fair amount of high rep sets. Point being that if he were to lose all that fat he would probably have very defined lats and shoulders, making him look pretty good.

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>>39873526
Average powerlifter

>>39874954
I just don't understand why people like/aspire to kokolov mode

>elite genetics
>steroids
>decade of hardcore training
>perfect nutrition

All this to look way worse than just a run of the mill natty dude in a small local men's physique competition

>>39873474
>>39873275
>>39873439
>>39873526
>>39873499
>implying that these are mutually exclusive.

Klokov is the best example, if he isn't your goal body then you are an underachiever plain and simple.

>>39875591
This

>>39875591
>>39875610

>wanting to have no v taper

He isn't a bodybuilder... he doesn't train for aesthetics... he couldn't care less how he looks. He doesn't do OHP. He doesn't do any lat work.

Read>>39875591

>>39875531
I mean he still has multiple deadlift world records. There's that.

>>39875674

No hate for him I said he had elite genetics etc

He isn't trying to look aesthetic. That's why his body is not aesthetic. I'm sure if he was a bodybuilder he'd look fantastic.

But why do guys want to look like that, where your hips are almost as wide as your shoulders and your (gigantic) lats appear nonexistent because of proportions and angles

Not a good asthetic

>>39875691
In another world Eddie could have been the king of aesthetics, he was an accomplished swimmer before he started eating 10,000 calories a day.

>>39875702

In another time, Eddie would be leading the fucking tribe while Jeff would be a male postitute for rich men with lots of grain.

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What about Pitbull from Strength Cartel. He has a world record in power lifting and is pretty aesthetic.

>>39873275

Trying to equate the 2 is like equating a Med Dr (strength) to a first-aider (aesthetics).

The pursuit of aesthetics seems to come from a place of insecurity. Sure, the same could be said about strength training.

Usually though strength training has some background in development of the body for specific purposes.

Example: I started training because I started playing rugby for a couple of seasons and wanted to be able to put some opposition players down hard. Going back to AFL I was literally crushing people with a hip and shoulder because I had much more mass and strength.

Aesthetics is literally useless,you might as well be a diaper wearing furry.

>>39873275
this is true, but aesthetics are generally something you're born with. sure, working out can help a bit, but cant fix manletism or being broke/an autist.
as a broke autistic manlet with a gf i might as well try to get strong

>>39875855
more like Manlet from Cringe Cartel

>>39873275
hall is literally 2x jeff seids weight
hes fucking hugge
he could kill him

>>39875904
And?

Strength is fucking useless

>>39875904
Jeff could kill him as well, by just waiting 10 years

>>39874533
99.9% of women would take skinny male models over Jeff anyways.

>>39875874

>faggot that doesn't understand the health benefits of exercise even when in pursuit of aesthetics

>>39875874
>Strength to impress your dad by crushing other rugby players
>Aesthetics to impress girls by looking good

>Strength is like a Med Dr
>Aesthetics is like a first aider and useless

Thanks for your objective analysis

>literally some dude

>third strongest guy in the world, biggest deadlift in the world, name goes down in the books forever

>>39876044
>literally the second coming of Zyzz, an aesthetic god, basically a living legend

>some fat guy who lifts heavy iron plates off the ground and ruins his health for money and admiration of other fat "powerlifters"

>>39875950
jeff will end in a sauna as well don't worry

>>39876028

My dad hates rugby. I didn't play rugby to impress him, I played rugby to try something new. I could rob a bank and rape children my dad would still brag about it to his mates. My parents idolises me. It must suck having to prove something to your old man all the time.

Try to justify your insecurities as much as you like, the synonyms I gave are because of the work load that goes into developing the 2 training types and what can be done with them once developed.

With strength you're still useful, with aesthetics you're a mannequin.

Why is this a thing? If you get stronger you will get more aesthetic at the same time. As long as you dont let your eating get completely out of control and get fat - and even then you can always just cut later

>>39875983

I totally understand the health benefits of it, just equating it to strength training is stupid.

But please go on, let's hear about how training for aesthetics improved your life?

>>39876136
Sexual selection is a real thing. Biologically, the more mates you have the more successful you are. By being aesthetic, you are more likely to be sexually selected, and thus have more mates and be more biologically successful.

Strength does not matter as much in our modern world. Aesthetics? That still matters a ton.

>>39876044
>2417
>"You know, kids, back then, adult men lifted heavy weights off the floor to impress each other! Sometimes more than twice their own weight!"
>Laughter
>"Here, look at this clip of a guy named Eddie who was famous in his time. They actually thought that grunting and sweating was the best way to stay healthy!"
>Even more laughter
>"Is that why they call it the dark ages?"
>"No, that's because of some other stuff they did back then"

>>39873413
loving the post new year memes

>>39876136
Then please explain what can be done with strength

Why is being able to play rugby worth more than looking good?

Why does everyone get so fucking defensive about shit like this. Some people want to look good and some want to be strong. Others want both. Does it fucking matter? Let people do what they want to do and appreciate it for what it is and not trash people because they do something you think is stupid.

>>39873526
I used to believe that strength was better than aesthetics but then I realized that looking good actually makes you train harder if that makes sense. not only that, if you are in your 20-30, that is the BEST time to build muscle. After that, it is pretty hard to gain size. Strength on the other hand increases past your 30's. I

I'd say train for aesthetics and mass in your 20s and go all out in strength in your 30's.

>>39876162

>because Eddie Hall doesn't have a wife

>strength dies not matter as much in our modern word.

Strength does matter, you know how I can tell you're either young or had a sheltered life? Because you made that statement.

Try lifting bags of cement or fertilizer. Try pulling up conductor onto an insulator. Try holding a support beam while your mate screws it to a frame. Moving a fridge, couch, bed or desk. Saying strength doesn't matter is stupid.

Stop being so naive.

As for sexual selection, try looking at studies that show what women actually want or try talking to actual women. Don't get your advice from /fit/.

>>39875531
Because Klokov looks actually good.

>no V taper

That's fucking retarded. Why would you even need this when you are ripped to shreds? I wish my core was smaller and weaker?

But you don't have to worry because you will never look like a pl'er or a bodybuilder.

>>39873275
literally aesthetics is all I lift for, that and the endorphins

>>39874851
Jeff Seid is aesthetic as fuck bro it's not an opinion he scored very high in every definition. it's ok if you don't like him but let's not start outright lying.

>>39873526
Is fornicating with club sluts a sport?

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>>39873526
>functional strength

>>39876458
No, it's usually an insecurity.

>>39876334
>because Eddie Hall doesn't have a wife
So? I said mates, not mate. Eddie only has one bitch to fuck, which is less successful than having multiple bitches to fuck.

>Try lifting bags of cement or fertilizer. Try pulling up conductor onto an insulator. Try holding a support beam while your mate screws it to a frame. Moving a fridge, couch, bed or desk. Saying strength doesn't matter is stupid.
You don't think Jeff Seid could do all of these things? Construction workers do some of the most physically taxing labor every day. A lot of them aren't huge, and are instead wiry with obvious musculuture but are still lean. Being a massive strongman means you can lift shit nobody ever has to lift on their own in the real world, but you can't lift normally-sized shit repeatedly because your cardio is shit.

>As for sexual selection, try looking at studies that show what women actually want or try talking to actual women. Don't get your advice from /fit/.
Obviously some women prefer the strongman look, but most women prefer the ripped look more. Don't be naive yourself.

>not realizing you can be both

https://www.youtube.com/user/GoEliteSC/videos

>>39876566
You should watch pro strongman sometime. Those motherfuckers sprint carrying 275lb oil drums and pull trucks, trains, and aircraft besides the static lifts. Basically I'm saying you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>39876566
Oh, and a lot of those guys are also jacked/shredded.

>>39876620
Sprinting is not cardio.

You can't compare the two of them in terms of achievement. Jeff's also a fag.

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>>39876657

I think most of the animosity comes from the fact that training "for looks" is just shortsighted and shallow. Its like saying you just read books to exercise your eyes.

>>39874851
Your a dumb cunt. Jeff is very close to classic Zane, who was the prince of aesthetics.

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Why not both?

>>39876848
Jeff can't even compare to Zane. His pec development isn't even close.

>>39876166
stop

>>39876166
Lifting heavy is still better than doing g4p and dying in a sauna at 22 though.

>>39873275
Jeff plz go

there are stronger people who look better than jeff

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>>39876103
>>39876103

>>39876566

>Eddie only has one bitch to fuck, which is less successful than having multiple bitches to fuck.

So by your logic we should all aspire to look like Ron Jeremy?

>rates success in how many "bitches" he fucks

By the way what is being a teenager like again? I've forgotten what uncontrollable hormones feel like.

>You don't think Jeff Seid could do all of these things?

No, because it would mess up his hair. If you're going for aesthetics you are literally trying to be a mannequin. You can't afford to have dirty hands unless it's for a photo shoot.

You don't want people to know you for who you are or what you do or what you have accomplished but what you look like. Do you understand what aesthetics mean? How shallow is that world view?

>but most women prefer the ripped look more. Don't be naive yourself

So again, did you read any studies or have you talked to any women? I ain't even good looking and I'm able to get women. I train for strength and hold a bit of extra weight on my butt (for some reason that's where I store fat). If you think you need to be fat free to pull women you are obviously too insecure to pull women.

I think any normal person lifts for both.

You're self-loathing and vein if you just lift for aesthetics.

You're autistic and scared if you just lift for strength.

do criminals train for aesthetics?

>>39874606
>disgusting fridge mode kokolov mode monstorosity
???

>>39875855
only IPF records count

Eddie hall's wife is fucking hot.

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>>39873275
Why not both?

>>39877284
cause /fit/ wants to dickride jeff

>>39876620
And? How long can they sustain that when they've trained exclusively for short, powerful bursts of exertion? I worked in a factory moving boxes for 12 hours, and without fail the guys that burnt out and couldn't keep up the required pace were strongman giants. Lean, wiry guys and even girls had the requisite endurance. Basically I'm saying your funkshunal strength mantra is a pile of horse manure.

>>39876162
Read Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari, if all humans ever did was focus on fucking as many other humans as possible then we'd still be walking around in nomadic bands bashing each others heads in with rocks and speaking to less than 100 people, aesthetics mean fuck all in the modern world, achievements mean everything, if you think any different then you're a relic at vest and a fossil at worst. Success is what drives humanity.

>>39877389
And I stand by that, you're a relic at vest, and you will always be a relic at vest.

>>39877284
beast mode. easily 250lbs right there overhead.

>>39877359

>my anecdotal example is the basis for all experience.
>fat, hairy guys couldn't keep up they must be Strongmen

Just because they're big doesn't mean they're Strongman. And besides that's not what this thread is about, it's about aesthetics training versus strength training.

I'll counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence.

When I was training Muay Thai I was out for about 8 months with work commitments. When I got back there are these 2 huge guys, easily 140kg+ but over 190cm.

I thought I was going to be able to run rings around them but turns out they outperformed the whole class.

When I got back to close to full fitness they didn't have a chance in endurance but I'm very competitive and would outperform guys much fitter than me.

Point I'm making is don't use anecdotal examples because everyone has some story about whatever it is they're trying to prove and that leads no where.

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>>39877284
Based Klokov

>>39873275

Well first of all I lift out of insecurity so I want to look as good as possible. Second of all I'm 5'8 and even though I think this manlet meme is retarded I do not see the point in lifting for strength when someone with the same bone structure but one inch taller is always going to be stronger than me should we hit anywhere near our strength potential. Also I'm training for military and I care not for these retarded fat mongs

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>>39875627
>he doesn't ohp
>no lat work
>all oly lifts start with a pull, which hits lats

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>>39876103

>>39877284
>disregard women, acquire aesthetics

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>>39878170
also, based Lu anon

>>39876566
>Eddie only has one bitch to fuck, which is less successful than having multiple bitches to fuck.


Eddie has more children than joff, he is more sexually successful

>>39878893
If Jeff decided not to use birth control he would have countless amounts of kids around the world.

>>39873275
Looks are subjective. You can't debate how much someone lifts.

>>39878920
>hitching

>>39875627
>doesn't do OHP
I'm not sure if jerks will work delts enough but he has huge shoulders so I'd assume they do if what you're saying is true

>>39873413
Are you trying to make a meme out this?

>>39877749
push press, dumb cunt

>>39875945
>fucking useless
kys jeff.

Strength is literally 50% of the reason to lift unless you're a faggot or a woman.

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>>39876103

>>39876089
>second coming of Zyzz
>places like trash at the Olympia
>meme on a Salvadoran coin collecting board
you're just a lucky guy ain't you

Aesthetics because I want to fit into my clothes well

>>39875945
'Aesthetics' is useless

The 2 are not mutually exclusive. Bodybuilding is a large mix of many things:
>Health/diet
>Aesthetics
>Power/strength
>Endurance
>Technique and willpower
and of course
>Steroids

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>>39880584
But yeah sacrificing all of the above for strength and strength alone is simply a lack of priorities and a self-defeating cause.