Natty limit

>>39832545
He has a big chest thanks to his genetics, but natties could have bigger arms even though he has pretty small arms.

In short: It's all about dat dere genetics.

>>39832545
Also curious, bump

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like it or not

Google "19th century strongmen". That's the natty limit.

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roids weren't even invented when this kid was this aesthetic

>>39832655
oh please sandow only did push ups and standing flies for chest

Anything under FFMI of 24 is statistically possible natty

>>39832545
is that jared goff

>>39832671
that's scott herman

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>>39832670
>tfw FFMI of 25.6 and natty

>>39832670
ffmi is very flawed just to let you know

>>39832571
This.
You should have a pretty good estimate of your genetic potential once your noob gains are over.

>>39832714
FFMI spews out high numbers when you have a high body fat %. Measure it again when you are <= 10% bodyfat.

>>39832777
Checked

>>39832545
as much as I know people will disagree with me but jeff seid. As someone whose trained for 6 years I know he is natty by his skin tone, level of shredded, muscle definition and distribution, and tone.
People will say hes on roids but the truth is that he has insane genetics and that indomitable will to get whatever they want from life that few people on this earth have. He is like the kobe bryant of bodybuilding where he has the genetics AND the hard work.

>>39832777

It's only remotely accurate when you're talking about stage-ready competition. If you're not lean and dehydrated it throws the whole thing completely out.

Also >25 isn't necessarily impossible without gear under those conditions. Some of the lifters used to derive that limit were over. It's just super uncommon.

>>39832670
FFMI is a flawed indicator for natural or enhanced. Here's an article explaining why:
http://gregnuckols.com/2016/12/11/ffmi/

>>39832666
didn't he cut with cocaine, Satan?

>>39832805
Jeff pls go

>>39832805
Shut the fuck up.

He is bigger than Zyzz at times and he competes in shows where people juice.

>>39832545
Obvious example: scooby. There's bigger natties but his body is something that's attainable natty if you're not a perfect lifter(i.e. noteating perfectly, not training as hard as you could be)

inb4
>scoob
>natty

>>39832833
>>39832836
Not same anon here, not even Jeff's fan, but just stop this denialism for your good bros.

>>39832777
Alright anon I will

>>39832818
It is flawed, and the article pointed out the flaws done in the study, but it is our best tool at the moment. Making a formula to model such a general term as muscularity is hard and will have flaws, but it's proven quite reliable and accurate. If the person is reasonably lean, it can give a very reasonable reference point to compare people.

>>39832545
Obvious example: scooby. There's bigger natties but his body is something that's attainable natty if you're not a perfect lifter(i.e. noteating perfectly, not training as hard as you could be)

inb4
>scoob
>natty

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so i should just give up working out basicly? Feelsbadman.jpg

>>39832840
he admitted he takes TRT you retard. kys.

>>39832670
It's 25, not 24.