/plg/ Powerlifting General

>>39725597
did the survey results ever come out?

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It didn't go well

>>39725710
that's too bad

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>>39725710

>>39725538
Sumo is comfy for me, doesn't take nearly as much out of me as conventional, and I can pull more with it.

>>39725710
look here frog, a weeabo talentchad that survived about half a year of lifting
the same thing will happen to you
hf

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>>39725767
ok lol but me and commi have way different mind sets desu~

>>39725764
yea ive heard that, do you think i should do it ?

When I first started posting on plg I was 14
I thought I was a special snowflake
Now I'm 18 and I'm witnessing a new generation of underage fags

And it's a weird beauty

God speed you under age annoying faggots

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>>39725710

;; sry commie

>>39725538

To shorten the range of motion.

But your success with sumo depends on a lot of things, like mobility and if your quads are strong but your back is a weakpoint, and some people (Nuckols) have analysed both lifts in depth and concluded that they are pretty much tied in power level. But since they require different levels of strength for different muscles, some people end up being stronger in one than in the other.

If you check the world records, most are conventional. And the medals are evenly split between sumo and conventional pullers, from what I've seen.

Now, should... I think everyone should at least learn how to do it and test it for a while. Then you'll quickly find out which one you prefer.
It is more difficult to learn and perform well than the conventional, in terms of technique.

>>39725597

Holy fuck lads I have not felt doms like this is an age. Do NOT take ten days off squatting.

Drinking mulled wine to make the hurt stop.

>>39725806
You said you gave it a try and it was painful. Was your mobility fine, and could you externally rotate properly?

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>retweak shoulder going for chinup PR

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>>39725825

Tell me you've listened to TMB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Jy8OgYuTY

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>>39725858
wrong pic desu

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>>39725868

The file name always gets me

>>39725832
back then i pointed feet too forward and didnt have great mobility at the time desu that was almost a year ago so i barely remember it

So I came really close with a that girl but good bruh is talking way too much to said gril right now so what do?

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>>39725903

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>>39725903

You should have one "when she gives you a piece of paper"

And specially a "when you listen to In Rainbows"

>>39725903
Pedophiles need to get out of mine general

>>39725905
Give it a go then I guess. Make sure you stretch out your hips

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>>39725934

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>>39725969

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>>39725983
>>39725927
it's not funny when it's reaction photos of yourself

>>39725983
how big is your ego, chad?

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>>39725990

I mean, the photos have to be posted somehow, and only he has them.

kekk

>>39725968

His hair makes it even better.

>>39725998
not as big as you think

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>>39726071
Why is he walking towards the camera?

I forgot I made you that image 0.0

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>>39725903
>when she asks you to double bag it

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>>39726092

tfw just slightly too short to safely use the rack height above, and really tall for the rack height below

>>39726275
iktf
i have to quarter pin squat the bar to unrack

im feeling really euphoric for the first time in 4 weeks
feels good man, life is good
ily all

>>39726351
Oh man, if you're feeling this good now just imagine how bad you're going to feel later!

>>39726360
:(

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You playing ds3 right now trappy?

>>39726392
no hes playing with his dick

>>39726360
Yeah i prefer the constant numb feeling
More predictable

>>39725597
who /chickenpotpie/ here?

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>>39726392

Nah, just chilling with the bois

My computer doesn't run DS3 very well.

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>>39726599

UGGHGHGHGH FUCKING CANT SLEEP BECAUSE OF A HEADACHE AT 4:45 AM AND ALL THE PHARMACIES ARE CLOSED

>>39726599
who are the bois?

I miss when 4chan had a standard time that every user saw so you could tell Euros that it's actually 1045

>>39726275
>>39726330
Yoooo

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>>39726616

:33

>>39726635

Just a few close friends;

>>39726275

I have this and am also in the weird grey area between belt notches

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>>39726730
>between belt notches
IKTF, and there are only two notches left.

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>>39726778
>tfw you wanna keep bulking but you're running out of notches on your belt

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>>39726823
>>39726788
i miss candytoe ;-;

>tfw nuclear annihilation hasn't freed us all from the cancer of loliposters

why doesn't SS have you doing 5x5 and then move onto 3x5? I feel like that'd be a lot better ultimately

didn't get to revel in plg after i finally deadlifted 600#. weighed around 215 in this

https://youtu.be/7qAycZuz3gQ

inb4 back is round

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>>39726994
its not cancer desuyo

>>39726997
>I feel like that'd be a lot better ultimately

Nah, not really. 3x5 is more manageable and more sustainable, doing 5x5 before that might be maybe a tiny bit beneficial, but in the long run, we're talking about a few months on a novice LP either way.

>>39727002
Why not at least attempt a neutral spine?

>>39726997
Volume killed Rippetoe's kids, so it's his mortal nemesis.

>>39727020
yeah true, I'm on TM now but it sucks cause i'm already fat from 4months of SS

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powerlifting

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powerlifting

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>>39726848

kek alex looking cute

I miss candito's videos. They were pretty entertaining for some reason.

>>39726392

tagging you for the pic related

>>39727041
at the midwest meet up do we get le high qual pics taken......

>>39727002
You did post it and we all made fun of you for TWO ENTIRE FUCKING THREADS.

KYS

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>>39727027
i'm just stronger with rounding. the geometry just ends up much better for me. i've had a lot of lower body injuries in the last 2 years so my back is stronger relatively than my hams so i like to minimize how far behind the bar i get. my hips are a little higher than optimal in this attempt.

>>39727088
this year there was a photographer, I don't know if he'll be there again, but maybe. you'll just have to be there to find out

>>39727109

thats what i get for posting and then going to sleep.

i don't go on /fit/ enough anymore i miss being roasted

>>39727112
I'm not unfamiliar with round-backed deadlifting or round-backed deadlifters. You round a looot after you start the lift.

You're obviously pretty strong but I still don't think it's a good idea. Good luck to you.

>>39727118
i could take photos with my decent cam i use

This is interesting and all but from what i have read about this sport it seems like a strange end goal that you sacrifice so much of your bodys function to achieve.
Wouldnt you all rather be functionally fit, like crossfit or strongman?

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So why didn't they just drop 4 mk84's on Pablo Escobars prision when he was in that meme prison?

>>39727126
working on a cycle of trying to stay straighter. coming out of a max attempt im doing a phase 10-12 rep sets at about 60-65% beltless so hopefully can continue to tighten things up before my next cycle. 300kg is a long term goal.

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>>39727163

>sacrifice so much of your bodys function

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>>39726997
>not 5x3
Enjoy your 10-12 decent reps losers, I'll be here depositing 15 GORGEOUS reps in the volume bank.

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>>39727163
>functionally fit

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Second day using my Inzer belt and this shit happened... went to the Hardwear store to try and find rivets that size but couldn't.. ended up
Sending the belt in to get fixed....

At least i pulled 550 with it the other day

>>39727210
have exact belt and color for almost 1.5 years and no damage looks almost new really howd you break yours lol

>>39727220
Truthfully breh I don't even fucking know.. I deadlifted yesterday with it and today when I was squatting after I racked the weight I took it off and put it over the pins and it hit the power rack then after my next set I noticed the rivit on the floor... I got 2 uses out of the belt lol Shit sucks now I gotta go betless again

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>>39727163
>functionally fit

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>>39727172
>>39727200
pic related

>>39727210
maybe you should have broken it in properly before going full retard. the stiff material didn't flex enough and the rivet broke... what a suprise

>>39726071
Haha fuck I remember that thread.
Why the fuck was he so sweaty?

>>39727249
Lmao Inzer claims the rivets are used in space shuttles... and I sat there and rolled it all night. Regardless rivet shouldn't have popped like
That

>>39727249
>You're holding the phone wrong

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>>39727249

>stops jumping and training plyo
>jumps get lower

Has nothing to do with powerlifting lmfao

>>39727263
That's messed up. Had a the same thing happen to a friend that didn't roll his so I ASSUMED you did the same. sry pham. Just got mine last week and no issues, went with single prong though. How long is the turn-around time for repairs?

>>39727274
Stops squatting high bar
jumps get lower

direct correlation between optimal powerlifting squat form (low bar) and decline in athleticism.

>>39727295
didn't he also break his foot and move up a weight class

>>39727280
I have no idea hopefully fast being they just have to put a new rivet in.. but those two uses I got out of the belt were great l. And that's the thing I rolled mine a few hours even stepped on it and rolled back and forth both ways it so it was "broken in"

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>>39727163

>Wouldnt you all rather be functionally fit, like crossfit

HA

I WOULD rather be Strongman though. But being 5'10'' King of Manlets pretty much precludes ever being remotely decent at it. I'd have to lift those Atlas stones to shoulder height while The Mountain or some such lifts them to waist height.

>>39727307
How many mm? Go single prong. Mine came in, I rolled it for around an hour, then wore it around the house for an hour doing bodyweight squats, etc.

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>>39727324
You're as tall as Lalas, and he won the Arnold one year.

>>39727295

>Citing a correlation and letting people work themselves into a shoot over a barely implied causation

This is some patrician, old school trolling.

>>39727297

And stopped doing plyo

>>39727326
I got the 13mm double prong and they said they are going to replace the rivet not the whole belt. And I did the same thing wore it around the house after rolling it. And used it on my back day everything was well then today that happened so idk everything's been going Shitty in life so I should have expected that lol... hopefully I get it back within a week or two.. once I see that it was delivered to there location I'm going to bug the fuck out of them.. even typed up a little note maybe I'll get free shit.. looks like another few weeks of betless training

>>39727346
>>39727350
low bar is optimal for powerlifting not for athleticism. struggle stop do a 500lb low bar squat now at a much higher weight class.
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2014/08/22/squatting-specifics-technique-best-sport/

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>>39727380

Very misinformed article. 3/10

>>39727362
I went from a 13mm single prong to a 10mm single prong. Waited two years for my 13mm to 'break in' was over kill (1650 total). Much happier with the 10mm, while they have it just ask for a 10mm single prong and don't look back IMO.

>>39727396
>Chad Wesley Smith is the founder and head physical preparation coach at Juggernaut Training Systems. Chad has a diverse athletic background, winning two national championships in the shot put, setting the American Records in powerlifting, including a 900+ raw w/ wraps squat and a 2200+ total, and winning the 2012 North American Strongman championship, where he earned his pro card. In addition to his athletic exploits, Chad has helped over 50 athletes earn Division 1 athletic scholarships since 2009 and worked with many NFL Players and Olympians. Chad is the author of The Juggernaut Method and The Juggernaut Method 2.0 and The Juggernaut Football Manual.
definitely, i'll take the advice of someone with no accomplishments over the author of the article who is more informed and accomplished

>>39727416

He literally starts the second section of his article with "I don't know shit about this, but here's my opinion"

>>39727402
Really?? I was considering switching to a single prong but staying 13mm.. but idk today it was easier getting the prongs out and everything.. and they have a lifetime warranty right? So I could switch over anytime?

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>>39727416
>you gotta be a good lifter to be a good coach or have good info

good meme

>>39727380

>struggle stop do a 500lb low bar squat now at a much higher weight class.

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

>>39727427
[citation needed]
>helped over 50 athletes earn Division 1 athletic scholarships since 2009
the delusion is strong with this one

>>39727439
nope i was focusing on his knowledge application to other athletes which is impressive. he is both which is an added bonus. thanks for putting words in my mouth due to poor reading comprehension.

>>39727461

Here's the citation
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2014/08/22/squatting-specifics-technique-best-sport/

>>39727436
Really. More is not more when it comes to belt thickness. 13mm is overkill. 10mm feels nice and comfy, don't have to exert effort to get in and out of the belt which took energy out of my sets.

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>tfw too intelligent for /fit/ besides the memes

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>>39727461
>definitely, i'll take the advice of someone with no accomplishments over the author of the article who is more informed and accomplished
>nope i was focusing on his knowledge application to other athletes which is impressive. he is both which is an added bonus. thanks for putting words in my mouth due to poor reading comprehension.

not putting words in your mouth at all thats pretty much what you just said

also no need to be upset

>>39727471
>[citation needed] excerpt from article which says 'I don't know shit about this, but here's my opinion'
as a coach... who trains athletes...

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>>39727502

>>39727490
Im going to look into it man thanks... I figured I'm 21 6'4 and 235lbs and I plan on lifting for a long long time. So I said fuck it I'll go with the 13mm yeah it will take longer to "break in" but I'm young and have time . I'm Just disappointed that rivet popped off but ohh well hopefully I'll get i back before Christmas cause I really liked the way the belt felt during deadlifts and squats.

>>39727493
stating trappy has no accomplishments in the world of sport makes me upset, compared to the author who is more informed and accomplished in the world of sport

you said 'you gotta be a good lifter to be a good coach or have good info' which i never stated, his credentials happen to have both and you made a false assumption as to where I was going with posting his credentials. contextually his opinion as a coach is relevant to an article squat style and athleticism. especially why he has coached 50 D1 athletes.

your reading comprehension is low

>>39727506
Posts a snippet that caters to an unfounded statement. Here is the whole excerpt
>"but I am smart enough to look at sporting movements – and I have enough high-level weightlifting coaches as friends – to confidently tell you that the only squatting variations the Olympic weightlifter needs to concern his or herself with are high bar Olympic squats and front squats.

The low bar squat, causing a forward leaning torso angle, is not for weightlifters to use. This will reinforce bad habits and bad angles for your catch position. Do not do them."

>>39727517
Definately look into it, I had the same mentality and was bull-headed, eventually regretted it because the belt never 'broke in' the way I thought it would. Used a friends broken 10mm a year or so ago and really enjoyed the feel without unnecessary rigidity digging into my torso, along with less energy to get into and out of the belt.

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>>39727545

The whole thing doesn't change the fact that he said basically exactly what I told you he says.

This is not a "I love hitler, he killed hitler" quote "I love hitler" situation.

He literally said he's not qualified to comment on this, but he's smart so he's gonna do it.

You're grasping at straws.

>>39727581
So a weightlifter should be doing low bar squats?
>"The low bar squat, causing a forward leaning torso angle, is not for weightlifters to use. This will reinforce bad habits and bad angles for your catch position. Do not do them."

Grasping at straws would mean he is wrong and I'm trying to prove him right.

Okay. Brb letting Kloklov know that he should have been doing low bar squats the whole time.

He said "I have enough high-level weightlifting coaches as friends – to confidently tell you that the only squatting variations the Olympic weightlifter needs to concern his or herself with are high bar Olympic squats and front squats."

Horrible analogy by the way.

>>39727581
Are you a weightlifting coach?

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>>39727597

>So a weightlifter should be doing low bar squats?

Completely besides the point.

So you have no other arguments?

>>39727607

Completely besides the point.

>>39727165
because politics are fucky and everyone has to pretend they dont have their fingers in everyone else's bidness when literally everyone is doing the same thing

Hey guys, what routine would you recommend for 2 weeks away from gym equipment? Also, what diet, more than tdee?

>>39727625

Wrong thread, this one is for powerlifting.

>>39727628
Sorry friendo, I'm asking here as I wanted to know what Power lifters in particular would do

>>39727617
The author doesn't know what he is talking about contextually about a section on weightlifting. The author has obtained knowledge from other coaches who specialise in weightlifting. The author makes a statement which you discredit
>"The low bar squat, causing a forward leaning torso angle, is not for weightlifters to use. This will reinforce bad habits and bad angles for your catch position. Do not do them"
Guess he doesn't know his shit.

>Completely besides the point.
Completely on point. Neither of you are weightlifter coaches. The author coaches athletes who use the squat to attain optimal athleticism.

Who are you to discredit those qualified to put forth an educated opinion with tangible results from their application of knowledge to their athletes?

>tfw trappy actually believes the hype the whiteknights inflate his ego with

>>39727643

Eat a shit ton and squat

>>39727652
What should I squat though? Just body weight squats?

>>39727662
PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD

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>>39727648

So all your arguments are things that do not pertain to the actual discussion?

Good, case closed then.

>>39727670
Bruv did you even read my post? I don't have gym access for 2 weeks

>>39727671
Low bar squatting is not optimal for athletic performance.

Where have you proved me wrong?

>>39727680
>did u read my post
no

go running then

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>>39727682

>Low bar squatting is not optimal for athletic performance.

That wasn't the argument.

We were talking about Candito's jump. You said it was caused by lowbar squats (lol), we pointed out he:

- had stopped training plyo
- had injured his foot
- went up a weightclass

>>39727700
When Candito was lighter and squatted high bar he could jump much farther and even dunk.

He has said explicitly that low bar has stopped him from dunking before his injury because he was less athletic.

The article shows that low-bar has it's place in power-lifting and possibly strongman, not athletics for optimal performance. If you have a problem with what was stated watch his videos and argue with him directly. Argue with the author of that article.

You are not a coach. You pretend to be a coach.
Helping anons is cool, defaming credible sources who have more knowledge than you regarding athletics, and power-lifting coaching specifically is laughable.

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>>39727733

>He has said explicitly that low bar has stopped him from dunking before his injury because he was less athletic.

Scapegoat. Common coping mechanism.

I don't care enough about the rest of your post. I'm not here to convert you or change your opinion about Powerlifting.

I'm just laughing at it.

>>39727744
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22344055

Eat. Shit. And. Die.

>>39727682
t>>39727733
>>39727754
wtf lotus I thought you left this place
i was in your fucking goodbye thread
I thought you made it and finally lef

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>>39727754

Depth. Lowbar can be sunk just as highbar, highbar can be done above parallel just like lowbar.

Your link is moot.

I'm good though, I'll pass on the shit and dying.

>>39727772
Yes but have you tried parallel squatting high bar? It's All quads, you get no bounce off your posterior chain.

With low bar and especially wider stance, you get a huge bounce at/slightly under parallel.

Just from my own experience, that is.

>it's another trappy thinks he knows more than everyone episode

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>>39727772
>Lowbar can be sunk just as highbar.
Nope.
>highbar can be done above parallel just like lowbar.
Yup.

The study says "Deep front and back squats guarantee performance-enhancing transfer effects of dynamic maximal strength to dynamic speed-strength capacity of hip and knee extensors..."

More and more you are exposing holes in your "knowledge". Google any vertical/jump program, they utilise high bar squats. The correlation is there, you just took the stance of denying it with no cited information to prove your subjective opinion.

>>39727763
Too many emails, easier to post on occasion.

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>>39727788

I know very little, but I'm researching, reading, discussing, and learning every day.

I'm also ok with admitting my mistakes, which in turn feeds the learning process.

>>39727806

>Nope.

Great argument.
Here's me sinking a lowbar squat to full depth.

>>39727806
my depth on high and low are very close desu

>>39727817
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>>39727838

Watch Frog's videos if you want to see lowbar depth. You can see bar placement on his back.

>>39727817
ayy you're squatting my bodyweight! nice

>>39727845
I'm still of the belief that even if you squat low bar to depth, you're still bouncing off of your posterior chain. You'll build more hamstring than glut or quad activation given how much of a forward tilt or squat-morning it will become.

>>39727854
it's a stretch reflex

>>39727845
Just below parallel with low bar... You are comparing that to high bar depth?

You still have not disproved several sources which correlate high bar and front squat to increased vertical/jumping performance. Which is relevant as Candito switched from high bar to low bar openly said what all the cited sources proved including study groups.

But trappy knows better than everybody else, the coaches, and the athletes who apply the knowledge.

Outta here, got better things to do than lead the blind.

>>39727877
like i said and what she is referring too my high bar and low bar squat are pretty close when it comes to depth

>>39727884
I just watched your videos fool.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp1sbh0Rf2jiI8JlBIOS51Q

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>>39727877

>Just below parallel with low bar... You are comparing that to high bar depth?

Frog literally goes ATG with lowbar.
As did I in the picture I've shown you.

Your whole point is that it's not possible with lowbar. We've shown you that it is.

>You still have not disproved several sources which correlate high bar and front squat to increased vertical/jumping performance

I'm waiting for the links.

>Outta here

Have a good night!

>>39727891
>calls me a fool
>never was hiding my vids and my point still stands

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>>39727891

Pic related.

>>39727845
>>39727831
The main point of the article and this discussion wasn't whether you can squat low with a low bar. You guys cant dispute that most powerlifters do squats thats barely on depth and this study provided evidence of people doing quarter squats which is not good for overall athleticism.
If you don't believe me than go watch powerlifters jump training and weightlifters jump training.

Oh wait, theres no powerlifters jump training

>>39727884
>>39727894
I dont know why you and trappy would change the subject of this discussion to atg with low bar

I've been on PLG for years and you two are literally cancers

trappy-chan !!VHnwMVjcWZi 12/17/16(Sat)23:24:34 No.39727894
>Your whole point is that it's not possible with lowbar. We've shown you that it is.

lotus !!IwMXN+OD/s3 12/17/16(Sat)22:42:53 No.39727682
Low bar squatting is not optimal for athletic performance.

>>39727894
Depth produces the same muscle activation? wew

>>39727908
>im cancer for making a point about how squat depth can be the same with both styles

idk why youre so mad about this lmao

>>39727903
>>39727891
Jesus man your pauses are ridiculously long. Should make it much easier for your first competition if thats what you're used to.

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>>39727911

Do you have any source showing that the muscle activation between ATG lowbar and ATG highbar is substantially different?

Because I can't take conjecture as an argument.

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I've unlearned conventional
I pull 190-200 for for reps doing sumo but even 3pl8 conventional feels heavy
my life is a fucking meme

>>39727597

Fun Fact: The spine angle of a low bar squat very closely resembles the spine angle observed in weightlifters as they recover from a snatch.

Also, a high bar squat results in a more forward leaning torso than would be observed in a front squat or clean recovery.

You low bar squat for strength, you front squat to train clean recovery, and you high bar squat if you're retarded

>>39725942
10000 days was better than lateralus tho. It might not be as energetic, but it is more meaningful

>>39727916
Can I ask you a question?
Is low bar better than high bar for athelticism?

This was the point of this argument.

What you do is not relevant to the study that was posted so I don't understand why bring it up.

>>39727922
Do powerlifters jump higher than weightlifters or other athletes that do highbar?

>>39727922
It's almost as if which muscles and how much they get activated make the difference with athletic crossover...

>But visual depth means the same muscles are recruited and at the same levels of activation. wew

>>39727926
Who are you? Tell this to all the elite level weightlifters with high verticals.

These threads...

>>39727955
you brought up difference in depth so i just wanted to bring up how little of a difference it was

also people who wl tend to do plyos so its a pretty ob answer who will jump higher

>>39727163
there is quite literally no better feeling than squatting heavy weight while death metal pumps through the headphones at maximum volume

it's better than sex it's a full body orgasm x1000 and a spiritual transcendence into a state of ecstasy

it's about achieving higher states of being
only the plebs make it about a medal

>>39727980
>you brought up difference in depth so i just wanted to bring up how little of a difference it was
Yes, and you sure supported your evidence that low bar can be equally effective for athleticism. But wait, you weren't arguing about that from the start, you just wanted to defend Trappy.

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>>39727955

>Do powerlifters jump higher than weightlifters or other athletes that do highbar?

I don't know. I would probably say no because big sports like handegg have a large pool of people, so they can test and pick the highest jumpers (which is kind of what they do).

Powerlifting on the other hand, has very few athletes in comparison.

But still, elite powerlifters like Jesse Norris can probably jump as high as weightlifters and other athletes.

However, even if powerlifters jump lower on average, this doesn't prove your point at all.

>>39727926

You know, I don't feel like I've spent enough time and done enough research on this topic to get in a discussion.

But your post is very good, and it's close to how I feel about the issue (I'm less radical about hating highbar kek).
My opinion on this might change in the future, though.
We'll see.

>>39727976

You are implying the level of muscle activation at the bottom is substantially different, and yet you provide no source.
Again, conjecture is not an argument here.

>>39728009
im only saying why using that point in the argument was stupid but sure get mad all you want at some kid on the internet lol

>>39727733

>Argue with the author of that article.

But what about the retard spouting this bullshit in this thread?

>>39728014
>I don't know.
That's right you don't, if you said that for everything. You would be more credible than as you are now.

>>39728021
>some kid on the internet
Don't give yourself too much credit, you're a kid on the internet thats horny for a guy with a penis pretending to be a girl.

>>39727976
p-pls help with my bench senpai

aside from bench more what should i do in terms of assistance and accesory stuff?

>>39728014
>You are implying the level of muscle activation at the bottom is substantially different, and yet you provide no source.
Nope. Muscle recruitment and activation throughout the movement are different period, not just at depth. The onus can be on you to provide any sources.
Considering you ignored all applicable links, articles and studies.

>>39728036
Ask trappy, he knows everything!

>>39727806

>The study says "Deep front and back squats guarantee performance-enhancing transfer effects of dynamic maximal strength to dynamic speed-strength capacity of hip and knee extensors..."

And says fuck all about the difference between high bar and low bar squats to depth. Because they didn't study that.

I also doubt the ability of the sort of tards who typically run these types of studies to properly coach ANY squat.

>Google any vertical/jump program, they utilise high bar squats. The correlation is there,

I'm pretty sure no one has said that high bar WON'T increase a novice's strength or vertical leap. YOU proposed that it does so better than high bar, and have offered zero (0) evidence of that claim. You haven't even constructed a rational argument to that effect, you have just appealed to authority and stomped your feet.

Can you produce a study that compares low bar and high bar squats over at least 6 months and their results, or explain why, given what we know about biomechanics and human physiology, high bar would at least theoretically be better than low bar?

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>lotus returns to btfo trappy

>>39728041
please dont meme me i definitely trust you way more than trappy he doesnt even train anything upper body because it would interefere with his "fooling men into believing he doesnt have a penis" thing he has going on and you have good lifts and aesthetics

Whatever happened to Joffrey?

>>39728062
>i definitely trust you way more than trappy he doesnt even train anything upper body

i thought trappy doesnt even go to the gym anymore

>>39728063
Busy with law school, gf, etc.

>>39728066
i dont know what he's doing 2bh this is my first time posting in /plg/ since the dox of trappy
the constant circlejerk around him became unbearable
before that it was sparsely posting when i was sure sean wasnt around

>>39727854

You are a retard. Getting to depth with ANY form of squat requires significant knee flexion. The quadriceps the muscle that makes the knee extend.

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>>39728041

Alright. The onus of proving isn't with me, but since I actually know I'm right and have sources, I'll just show it.

Pic related.
BF' is lowbar
BF is highbar
Check the numbers. They are only very slightly different.

BUT wait, there's even more...

>>39728046
Front squat muscle activation is closer to high bar muscle activation than low bar. This is common sense.

Find me powerlifters who out-jump weightlifters who squat low bar. The onus is on you. How to win an argument in /plg/ put the onus on the person who is correct after they prove the original argument multiple times by creating infinite tangents where they must prove the onus.

Candito -> The article -> The study -> Candito


>I'm pretty sure no one has said that high bar WON'T increase a novice's strength or vertical leap. YOU proposed that it does so better than high bar, and have offered zero (0) evidence of that claim. You haven't even constructed a rational argument to that effect, you have just appealed to authority and stomped your feet.
Your message is lost here, did you mean to say low bar somewhere in this paragraph?

>appealed to authority and stomped your feet
What are you on about?
*
Front Squat |
High Squat | ALL SAME MUSCLE RECRUITMENT & ACTIVATION ACCORDING TO THE UNINITIATED
Low Bar |
*

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>>39728041

On this picture it shows what it looks like at the most common sticking point for squats.

And yet you can still see, the differences are of merely 3 degrees.

>>39728090
Solid repost >>39727806

The numbers are different. Period. Objectively different.

>>39728036
https://ok.ru/video/18012506769

>>39728111
>https://ok.ru/video/18012506769
thanks pham

i'm out til next time

stay blessed

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How do I git gud at power cleans?

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>>39728111

>Solid repost

Yes you were proving yourself wrong.

>The numbers are different. Period. Objectively different.

We weren't arguing about them being different.

We were arguing about them being substantially different, to the point where it affects athletic performance in a major way.

I've proven you wrong. the images are there. The differences in angles are merely 2 degrees, 3 degrees, 4 degrees... and during the hardest part of the lift, merely 3 degrees (lowbar has 3 degrees more hip, highbar has 3 degrees more knee)

For you to get some perspective, the difference between hip angles of lowbar and front squat is of 16 degrees. Front squat to highbar, 13 degrees.

>>39728063
he's a filthy normalfag with a CUTE gf rREREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>39728143
Wow, you sure showed him. For next battle how about both you have a lift off? Trappy you can start, I'm sure with all that correct knowledge in your brain you trained yourself to lift beyond world class.

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>>39728143
>lowbar has 3 degrees more hip, highbar has 3 degrees more knee
Almost as if the muscle recruitment and activation are different and have different crossover to athletics...


Don't worry though. I learned my lesson from trappy-charlatan all squats if hitting the same depth recruit the same muscles and produce the same activation in said muscles which has the same carryover to athleticism. Even if athletes say otherwise who have don't both. Even if coaches say otherwise who have coached D1 athletes. Even if studies with control groups say otherwise.

Dis nig dun lurned 2day, dis nig dun lurned...

>>39728177
Oh I forgot that you were a girl. But how about you pick from your team of world class athletes that you coach?

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>>39728179
Stop fucking posting. This is extremely fucking embarrassing.

>>39728183
Frog seems to be coached by her pretty much and he is very close to world class

>>39728179
stop being mean to my princesa!
leave her alone!

>>39728195
So you're saying Trappy is the typical coach taking credit for an already strong athlete.

yes that makes sense actually

>>39727976

>Tell this to all the elite level weightlifters with high verticals.

Here's another hollow appeal to authority that mistakes cause and effect. Elite weightlifters don't have high vertical leaps because they're elite weightlifters, they are elite weightlifters because they have high vertical leaps.

>>39728014

>But your post is very good, and it's close to how I feel about the issue (I'm less radical about hating highbar kek).

Highbar IS an effective strength training exercise, it's just not as good for general total strength as low bar. High bar MIGHT be optimal for a very advanced lifter who wants to train specifically knee extensors with heavier weights than he could front squat, with diminished hamstring contraction involved in giving the weight upward momentum.

No tard on /fit/ should be high bar squatting.

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RARE PRUTUS A CUTE

>>39728188
>>39728200
>>39728221
Need a picture of a trappy head with beta particles orbiting around it for these posts lmao

>>39728195
>Frog seems to be coached by her
WTF are you talking about he literally just started Sheiko and was already strong as shit

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>>39728057
Truly our natty savior.

>>39728226
c'mon you're just being mean...

>>39728195
I guess but really the only thing i could see her helping me with is bench which is my only sticking point

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>>39728226
stop devaluing the rares I so graciously give away

>>39728243
DONKEY

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>>39728143
Trappy Im in love with a girl at my gym what do I do

>>39728041

>Muscle recruitment and activation throughout the movement are different period, not just at depth.

Naturally. That is necessarily true, given that one uses different weights through different motions in three different lifts.

Proper low bar is going to result in the most muscle activated to the greatest extent, because one uses heavier weights and involves the hamstrings to a greater extent, due to the more acute back angle to the floor

>The onus can be on you to provide any sources.

No it can't be, you dipshit. YOU were the one who came in making assertions about stuff, and then failed to back them up. Your shitty little study that concluded that squats to depth are more effective than half squats (no shit) wasn't relevant, as it didn't compare high bar squats to low bar squats. It didn't even distinguish which squats were counted as back squats, let alone compare high bar to low bar.

>>39728091

>Find me powerlifters who out-jump weightlifters who squat low bar.

This is a bullshit argument. Elite weightlifters are such because they genetically had fantastic power genetics, and thus naturally high vertical leaps. The NFL is full of other such genetically gifted power athletes who have high vertical leaps and half squats. That doesn't mean that half squats = high vertical leaps, obviously.

Top powerlifters are that way because they have tremendous strength genetics, power production being secondary.

>Your message is lost here, did you mean to say low bar somewhere in this paragraph?

Indeed. I meant to say "YOU proposed that it does so better than low bar."

Well it doesnt matter what you argue on the internet about. even if you write an angry essay about how low bar can be equally better as highbar most people will use high bar.
This discussion makes me think that you losers actually think your opinion matters to the rest of the world

>>39728179

I was a D1 athlete. I can tell you that the strength gained from low bar squats (which was greater than the strength that was gained from high bar squats), is more useful for athletics.

Now GTFO

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>>39728308
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>>39728177

>taking discussions about lifting to the personal level

I like Lotus tBh

>>39728377
shame no one likes you except your orbiters

>>39728382
And fags like me

Still pretty bummed I couldn't lift with Lith. Missed out on seeing him pull 4pl8 for the first time

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>>39728195
>>39728218

I'm merely helping hone his technique and small things for competition. And just being a friend in general cause I like him.

I'm not taking any credit for what he has achieved until now or what he will achieve soon.
I just really wanna see him succeed cause he has the potential to be on the very top.

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>>39728407

No one cares, fuck off.

>>39728407
Wow nice going my man you can use the snipping tool to snip out bits and pieces of a conversation, no really I'm impressed you're a very smart man I'm from the Harvard's admission Dept. you want in?!

Fucking kill yourself

>keep eating junk after eating a meal
>im 180 bw
>never gonna be able to lift as a 74 at this rate

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>>39728419

>180

GOMAD has gone too far... again!

>>39728433
I tend to mix lb and kg bc i dont know conversions like that in mine head

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>>39728447

kek I thought you just accidentally pressed the one so it went 180 instead of 80.

And then you say this so I go to check and 180 is literally 80

So it literally doesn't matter what you did. If you mistyped, or if you didn't convert...

it's all the same regardless of you.

Nothing changes because of you...

mfw life is meaningless.

(ps: it's actually 81 tho)

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pls ignore my previous post, I haven't slept yet

thanks for your comprehension.

ok you guys i wrote some konstantin konstantinovs and jennifer thompson fan fiction, im gonna post it here now

Konstantin awoke to an odd smell. It was familiar and yet he couldn't quite
place it. Konstantin had spent so much time alone in the gym he felt as
though the outside world was nothing but a dream. The only smells he could
even think of were the smells of sweat, blood, chalk and his own meaty
shits. This was a sweet smell though, it was flowery, it was feminine. It
was dark in the gym, the only light being dim moonlight muffled by clouds
coming through a window.
Konstantin sat up from his sleeping position on the bench, his mind doing a
diagnostic rundown on his body. His hamstrings felt tight from the
relentless deadlifting, but that was nothing new. He felt inflated, his
blood pressure elevated slightly due to a combination of drugs and being a
big guy. It was time to drain some blood. He felt behind him for his shaker
cup and syringe. What he felt startled him. It was warm and soft, an alien
sensation. Everything Konstanin was accustomed to feeling was cold and
hard, the barbells, the weights, the racks, the concrete of the gym floor,
even his own body was hard and cold.

He heard a heavy sigh, the sound of restless sleep. It took him a minute to
process. Konstantin was alone in this gym, that was simply the way things
are. Was he dreaming? His hand rested still on what felt like warm flesh,
he ears clearly heard someone stirring and his nose was picking up a smell.
What was that smell? So familiar but so far away, it was on the tip of his
brain. Every time he thought he had it identified it disappeared, it was
ghostly like trying to grasp smoke. It was a feminine smell. It was the
smell of a woman.
Suddenly, the scent wasn't just on the tip of his brain, it was on the tip
of his penis. Konstantin became rock hard, he no longer felt his body
bloated from excess blood. Now it was only his cock.
"H-hello?" A voice from behind him cut through the cold air. It was a
woman's voice. Konstantine pulled his hand away, realizing it had in fact
been resting on another person.
Konstantin was startled, his immediate reaction was anger. Here he was in
his sanctuary with a boner and someone had spooked him. Some intruder had
interrupted his peace. It was really a fight-or-flight reaction and
Konstanin had never fled from anything in his life. "What the FUCK!" He
shouted, demanding an explanation. His eyes still very much full of sleep,
he could not make out the unwanted presence. "I got into town so late, I
couldn't find a hotel room. I had planned on coming here tomorrow and
training with y-you. I came by early... the door was open... I didn't have
anywhere else to go.."

He could see some motion in the shadows and hear the woman standing up. She
walked past him so she was standing in the moonlight. She was stunning, her
body was completely jacked while still looking completely feminine. She had
thick arms and broad shoulders, but in a lady-like way. "I'm Jennifer
Thompson, the best female bencher that will ever exist anywhere." She said,
brushing her radiant blond hair out of her eyes which were pointing
slightly different directions for some reason. Konstantin was having
trouble focusing on one part of her to oggle. She had a smile that bordered
on smirking, it was confident and humble at once like she was ready to brag
but had the sense to keep it in. She had the very slight crows feet and
smile lines of a person who was aging gracefully.
Konstantin blinked hard and snapped to attention. It felt like forever he
was there gazing at her, looking over every inch of her. Time seemed to
have slowed as he laid eyes upon her but Konstantin was a god damn
gentleman in spite of drooling over her like some horny schoolboy. He
jumped off the bench and rushed to shake her hand.
"Jennifer it is a pleasure to meet you, welcome to Latvia" he said in his
most charming baritone, hand outstretched toward his new comrade. She did
not move, she seemed frozen. Why was she not moving? Her face started to
turn red and her smile only got more intense, stretching her cheeks tight.
Was she shy? She had seemed so confident just moments ago. It was then
Konstantin noticed, her eyes had drifted down. What was she looking at? "Is
that a giant throbbing cock or are you just happy to see me?" Said
Jennifer, daintily motioning down toward Konstantin's engorged genitals and
giggling softly.
He felt his stomach drop, he could not have been more mortified. Her
presence had caught him so off guard he had forgotten he was sleeping
naked.

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>>39728548
>That smell wasn't just on the tip of his brain, it was on the tip of his penis
>Mfw

He looked down, his whole body was still in the shadows except his
boner was being spotlighted by a beam of moonlight, it appeared to be
levitating. A disembodied erection floating there like some kind of
perverse ghost.
He stepped back toward the bench, searching frantically in the dark for a
towel or anything at all to hide himself. He had made a fool of himself in
front of the only woman he had encountered in ages. "Excuse me, I am so
sorry... I didn't..." Konstantin stuttered, still unsuccessfully trying to
find anything at all the cover himself with. He looked up momentarily,
hoping to see Jennifer with her back turned, providing him some small
courtesy so he could regain is modesty. She was still facing him. She was
chalking her hands. Konstantin stopped what he was doing, purely from
confusion at the sight of it.
Jennifer noticed his look of bewilderment and stopped applying chalk,
making eye contact with him in the darkness. She must have better eyesight
than me, thought Konstantin. "It's for grip" Jennifer said matter of factly
as she confidently strode towards him. As she got closer he nervously tried
to shuffle away from her on the bench but something stopped him. Her iron
grip on his dick.
"W-what are y..." Konstantin muttered as he felt her mouth engulfing the
hammer like head of his Latvian dong.
Her chalky hand had bonded tightly to his shaft and she was making a
wrenching motion as her head bobbed up and down. Konstantin could feel the
back of her throat as she hungrily tried repeatedly to swallow him.
Konstantin was purposely celibate as part of some kind of antequated
superstition left over from the soviet era. Part of him felt terror that
she was sucking away his life force but that part of him was being
overruled by the boneshaking pleasure he was experiencing.

>>39725875
if you can bring in all the groceries in one trip.
you are not eating enough.

Jennifer Thompson was shoving her head down harder and harder onto him trying to
force him down her throat, each thrust getting slightly deeper like some
kind of self digging tunnel. Her hand was still gripped tightly onto his
shaft, the drool and precum were starting to run down him, pooling on her
fingers, mixing with the chalk, creating a pleasure-mud of sorts.
She used her left hand to push on his chest, causing him to lay back on the
bench. Konstantin noticed her incredible pressing strength, incomparable to
the strength of any woman he had even dared imagine. As he laid back his
dick was able to reach it's full length, the force of his body extending
helping to slide deeper into her throat. He could hear her satisfied moans
over the slurping, like the sounds someone makes as they enjoy a nice meal.
She let go and placed both her hands on his thighs so she could do sort of
a dip and use her bodyweight to drive his cock balls deep into her. He
could feel her tongue lapping up the juices that had collected on his
balls. It was like nothing he had ever experienced.
Now that she had greased the groove in her throat, Jennifer Thompson was
violently hammering her head up and down on him, bringing her lips from tip
to balls faster and faster. She's trying to milk me, thought Konstantin.
She's trying to steal my seed, she trying to take my protein, my gains! His
anger kept him from cumming although his long term celibacy had caused to
him bust several nuts worth of precum in her mouth already. His anger
started to boil over, this American woman comes here and thinks she can
just take from me? "I am Konstantin Konstantinovs and I am a champion!" He
screamed in anger as he grabbed her by the hair, pulling her head back off
him so that she could see his eyes. "If you want my seed, you are going to
earn it!"

Jennifer was too out of breath to respond, the look in her eyes was feral
and long strings of cummy drool traced back to him. "You want this fucking
seed? You want the semen of a champion?!" Konstantin shouted, enraged at
this point. He grabbed her by the shoulders and pulled her closer to his
face so that she could look into his eyes and see he was serious. "Give it
to me." Jennifer said as if she knew she could handle anything.
Konstantin, feeling challenged, stood up quickly and deadlifted her up onto
the bench with no belt or straps or anything. She was wearing an IPF
approved singlet but Konstantin could tell that was all as he ran his hands
over her body, feeling her hard nipples and the heat coming off her soaking
wet pussy. As his hand touched her she arched, it was an impressive arch
for someone who benches with a pretty flat back. The lordosis was a clear
sign, it was animalistic, she was in heat. Konstantin grabbed the back of
her singlet and ripped it from the straps down until it was nothing but a
ragged pile hanging from her thighs.
He took a moment to survey the situation, before him he saw her rippling
back muscles and strong posterior chain. It was clear that she was getting
better with age, where once she was maybe too masculine and hard, age had
softened her and now she carried some fat on her ass and thighs. He could
smell her, it was pure phermones, feminine and sweet but also musky and
beastial. He grabbed her hair with his left hand and forced her face into
the bench, causing her to arch even more. He grabbed her like a bowling
ball with his right, forcing fingers in wherever he could. She moaned and
squealed. He felt her buck slightly but then push back into his hand,
forcing his fingers deeper into her ass and pussy.

>She was chalking her hands
My fucking sides anon, bless you

Konstantin used his ample strength to control her as her hips started grinding, he tightened his grip on her hair and pushed with equal force into her with the other hand, as if he was trying to clap the two hands together or do a chest fly of some kind. "Is this what you wanted?!"
Konstantin exclaimed rhetorically, still barely containing his rage. "I... want... your.. c-cummmmm!!" Jennifer squealed in between moans of pleasure, grinding on his hand as hard as she could manage. Konstantin pulled his
hands away, leaving her grinding the air. He licked his fingers instinctively like a dog licks a wound, enjoying the taste she left on him.
He felt like his dick was going to explode, he had been having his blood
topped off and as a result he was harder than any person naturally could be.
Jennifer kept grinding the air, her pussy so overstimulated the mere
thought of Konstantin was almost enough to make her cum.

He was disgusted by her, he was disgusted by his desire for her. This was pure degenracy, she had forced him to stray from the path of the champion and he let her. There was only one way to make this feeling go away, it was the fucking annihilate her. Konstantin moved swiftly behind her, pressing the tip of his dick against her gasping, pulsating cunt. She moaned loudly, encouraging him to enter her. As she moaned he leaned forward and put his arm around her neck, flexing slightly, trapping her in his chokehold. He hammered his cock balls deep into her just as her airway was cut off. She came immediately, convulsing violently like she was posessed. He bagina squeezed him so hard he became afraid for a moment. He began to wonder if this woman was human or some type of succubus like he had read about in the
classic Latvian poetry he had memorized. Konstantin had never fucked a female powerlifter and was not aware that they train squat, bench, deadlift and kegels. Jeniffer had been powerlifting for 20 years and her pussy was stronger than any boipucci. If her wilks was calculated only including her bench and kegels, she would be 450+ elite. She came so hard Konstantin was stuck in her like dogs get stuck together when they fuck. He tried to pull out but every time he did, he would get stuck again.

Konstantin soon figured out he had to pull out between her contractions
then force his cock back in when she clamped down again. Each thrust in she
would cum, he was getting soaked in pussy juice and he was starting to
enjoy it. He was feeling powerful, having this control over someone. He
tried to think of poetry and moon phases to keep himself for cumming but he
loved those things and they were only getting him closer. He was
remembering erotic poems and thinking about how the moon kind of looked
like Jeniffer's asshole winkijg at him. He knew it wouldn't be long now, he
was going to give her his load and he was going to grind it in. Jennifer
was screaming now, howling really "CUM IN ME KONSTANTIN GIVE ME YOUR
CUMMMMMM!!" He couldn't resist, he busted a nut so hard it pushed her off
his dick for a moment. Was still cumming when he shoved it back in and
hammered it as deep as he could. She came again. He just kept fucking her
harder and harder as he came and came, it was getting to the point where
they both looked like they were going to break apart from the violence. His
balls were visibly draining into her and she was loving it. Their fucking
began to lose momentum as he stopped busting nuts eventually and his benis
softened slightly. Jeniffer dismounted him and rolled over, sweaty and
smiling, completely covered in cum. She wiped a handful of cum from her
pussy into her hand and licked it off. Satisfied she said "Damn they should
have named you KUMstantin!" They both laughed and laughed reveling in the
moment before your mom dies tonight if you read this.

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FUCK YOU ANON I WAS ENJOYING IT

>>39728604
degenerate

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Parents are already dead so im immune

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>>39728621

;;;;;;;;;

>mfw thiinken about u hurtin

>>39728226
10/10 desu

>>39728091
>Find me powerlifters who out-jump weightlifters who squat low bar.
I bet Jesse Norris could out jump Jon North (pre heart attack). It's a good comparison too because both are full of drugs.

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>>39728530
>>39728543
>>39728548
>>39728552
>>39728561
>>39728571
>>39728578
>>39728585
>>39728594
>>39728597

>>39728713
Is this Maki?

>>39728935
asta hasta asta luigi

>>39729008
dude what

>>39727817
>dat buttwink
>atg
Why do you go so low if you cant? And why atg when you are a powerlifter?

>>39729016
idk anon but I'm cracking myself up over my nonsensical speak

>>39729022
>trappy
>powerlifter

Pick one negress

>Tfw hungover
Fuckin kill me.

>>39727854
>You'll build more hamstring than glut or quad activation given how m
Well you're wrong, so that's cool.

Has le inner pecs man left the thread yet?

>>39728126
Do a bunch of them a couple times a week.

I really want old plg back ;-;

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>>39729444
This little hobbit is ruining plg.

>>39729587
I agree. Trappy ruined PLG,

I want it back

I WANT IT ALK BACK

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>>39728057
>weasel fagposting
ayy lmao

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>>39729640
If you're gonna make fake posts, at least make them believeable

>>39729640
>>>/int/68703161
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39698347/#39699520
are you really trying to weasel out of this one too with "i didnt do it"?
also, did you sleep well tonight? and shouldnt you be sleeping already? or cant sleep again? :^)

>>39729904

He did it for attention so people screencap and post it around to make him relevant

>>39729926
>afraid of eating a paper plate
>weaseling out of recording self but records and shares gf
>"""relevant"""
the adjective you are looking for is: pathetic

>>39729951

It got us making posts about him. That's what he wants

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>>39729962
you are probably right about that, its still pathetic though

>>39729904
Wait I feel new, how did they dude on int get my tripcode

>>39729970
>cutting out key parts of the conversation to alter the meaning

Truly pathetic

>>39729970
>>39729990
>being a part of the dischord

TRULY, truly, pathetic

>>39729970

Don't give him the attention he wants

>>39730023
>don't give him the attention he wants
>implying I don't just want to go back to becoming a no name trip out of the Ironsights of the orbit army

>>39730041

>no name
>trip

Not how it works.

How do we get more new people posting in plg?

>>39730062
Could try actually talking about Powerlifting every once in a while again.

>>39729981
>they dude on int
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39661178/#39665895
weasel pls... for the love of god...
there has to be a point in time where you will stop trying weaseling out of things...
>>39730062
>become a weasel like lith
>spread hate and discontempt whenever you post
then just reap in the hateful (you)s you get along the way

New
>>39730125
>>39730125
>>39730125

>>39730106
I don't even go on int though

>>39730132
We're not even close to 300 posts

>>39730062
Get rid of the mentally ill dyel pedo boy who thinks he's a girl.

>>39730154
>I don't even
ok lith, just stop... your sad weaseling attempts, of yet another "i dun nothing" are getting far beyond pathetic reaching wizard-tier levels never before seen... really fucks up my xmas bulk-mode mood

>>39730198
Ok lith

>>39730209
Im not lith :)

>>39730154
Sean loves to crack trips and use them for his amusement

>>39730225

Sure lith

>>39730230

No. Sean doesn't do that. The post was lith.

>>39730235
Sean will do anything to pretend to be someone else

I don't blame him

Especially around the holidays

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>>39730225
>Im not lith :)
>:)
> : )

>>39730252
>someone somewhere pretends to be lith
who da fuck would want to be lith?

>>39730267
Trip on trappy

>>39730267
well you'd have a gf

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>>39730284
>you'd have a gf who cucks you
no thanks, redditor friend

>>39730332

STOP POSTING DISCORD CHAT LOGS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

>>39730332
Do you just keep edited and cut off screenshots of things I've said in discord?

Pretty weird desu

>>39730284
your gf is qt
pls let her be my gf

>>39730366
>Do you just keep edited and cut off screenshots
>Pretty weird

>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39698347/#39699520
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39698347/#39699472
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39698347/#39699252
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39626817/#39631074
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39626817/#39631074
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39349641/#39352349
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39275180/#39276476
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39325227/#39326005
>http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39394641/#39394699

reiterating, you are pathetic, m8...

>>39730643

He literally said "I love you" the first time trappy met him.

Trappy didn't even know he existed and he was already orbiting.

>>39730669
>He literally said "I love you" the first time trappy met him.
http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39394641/#39394721
http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39243346/#39245129
shiet, you are right...
>Trappy didn't even know he existed and he was already orbiting.
http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37467422/#37469266
oh boy...
im just gonna block his trip now, all that sad shit is starting to get on my nerves
fucking hell lith, get a grip...

>>39730735

http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39354823/#39356921
http://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39354823/#39357003

Reminder that this boy is the sole responsible for badgering trappy-chan out of the plg chat, to the point where trappy doesn't acknowledge his existence anymore.