Vegan Is Better

10/10 body.

>>39683039
A nigga needs test, vegetables make you squishy.

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Next time you try to promote veganism, post a thinn qt.

Also, where can I get 150g/day protein other than soy or vega powder? I'm considering different diets and trying to see which one has the best results.

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>>39683039
I like killing animals.

>>39683080
Try actually looking at protein counts on greens
Broccoli, kale, leafy greens in general have a surprising amount of protein and you'll have to eat quite a bit but you should be eating a substantial amount anyways

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>he thinks plant protein counts

>>39683122
I'm sure that gets your dick almost as hard as clogging up your arteries

>>39683039
eX VEGAN FAG.
Vegan IS better. IF you do it right.

However, it is hard to get a well rounded vegan diet. Most people will end up with deficiencies because they simply don't know the vitamin/mineral content of all their food, and don't/won't go through all the effort to fine tune all aspects of their diet.
Supplements - as is pretty widely excepted on fit - are not an adequate substitute for the nutrition we get from our animal products.

A complete(mostly) animal based diet is better than an incomplete vegan diet - which is what most people will have.

I beleive that we should all cut down A LOT on our animal products, and think about what we eat.
But a fully plant based diet is impractical and too much effort for most people.

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>>39683226
Yes. I can afford cardiac bypass surgery too so I can keep eating your precious animals without a care in the world.

>>39683039
Give links

>>39683351
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full

https://www.forksoverknives.com/8-months-lost-65-pounds-regained-energy-good-health-wfpb-diet/

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>>39683296
As long as you're also willing to give up feeling energetic or ya know lifting senpai, clearly ya know more than i do

>>39683284
You're right about cutting down meat consumption and I get it that meat isn't for everyone but the conversation starter does get ya thinking more about what you're eating, is it not?

>>39683215
such complete proteins too with great amino acid profiles.............................................................

>>39683496
You should also be looking for legumes
Biggest thing on protein is gonna be your beans, lentils, etc and the greens boost is gonna top it all

>>39683496
Soybeans bro

>>39683493
I'm not sure i understand the sentence you just wrote, good sir.
Then again i'm Dutch as fuck

>>39683605
>>39683493
I find the biggest issue is people think it's all ro nothing with Veganism. Vegans try push full veganism down peoples throat, so they reject it all.
Eating less meat should be the focus, not cutting it out completly.
Morals are arbitary and there's a lot of issues with plant products that are bad for animals and the enviroment.

But it's a lot harder to outright reject the economics and the health effects of excessive meat consumption.

GOMAD

>>39683605
Sorry, not the best grammar, I'm working and replying and back to working
Anyways, meant to say:
I agree that most people need to be more aware of their meat consumption and cut it down
I get that vegan* (whoops, wrote "meat" before) lifestyle isn't going to work for everyone
So the goal is to even slightly raise someone's awareness on how much meat and especially dairy they're putting in their bodies.
imo dairy is the worst part of a meat-eating diet

>>39683567
"Fact: Yes, some breast cancer grows in the presence of estrogen, and yes, soy can act like estrogen. But there’s no direct link saying soy can cause cancer. In some animal studies, pure isoflavones, the compound in soy bearing the chemical similarities to estrogen, have been shown to promote tumor growth"

from a source (you) will appreciate, The HuffPo

>>39683647
There are an incredible amount of issues with how our lifestyle hurts animals and the environment
And I agree that expecting someone to give up meat and dairy cold turkey is simply a recipe for failure
Which is why the point is to try and make you think twice about that fried steak and how much/how you're preparing it rather than make you want to give it up completely
Let's face it, meat is good, there's no denying it, but eating fried chicken and steak in a pool of butter is not so good

>>39683482
I don't really care if I feel energetic or not, I just lift heavy shit and put it back down, regardless of "energy". Don't worry dummy-kun

>>39683718
"According to new findings from the Shanghai Women's Health Study, soy food intake provides protection against premenopausal breast cancer when consumed during adolescence and as an adult. The usual dietary intake of 73,223 Chinese women during adulthood and adolescence was assessed after a mean follow-up of 7.4 years. Those with the highest intake of soy protein or isoflavone versus those with the lowest had about half the risk of premenopausal breast cancer regardless of age at time of consumption. No significant association with soy foods was found for postmenopausal breast cancer."

From a source (you) will appreciate, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

>>39683765
>Shanghai Women's Health Study
>Women's Studies

>>39683664
Yes, but i'd say that suggesting a vegan diet - a complete cut out of meat and animal prodcuts - is the wrong way to make people think about what they eat.
It seems to just make people stick their head in the sand and lash out at veganism - because is suggests that their world view and dietary lifestyle is completely false.

It's better to suggest eating more plant based foods and less animal products, rather than to say all animal products are bad (even if they are)

Also - to put it plainly - most people don't give a fuck about animal welfare.
To be honest, most people don't give a fuck about human welfare.

Look at what we do to each other, let alone what we do to animals

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>the current year
>still pushing the vegan meme

Humans are omnivores, eating a diet rich in animal fats helped to develop our bigger brains. Animal fat is an essential component to healthy skin and hair.

Having said that, I agree that people ought to cut down their consumption of red meats and think more about ethical animal husbandry. But if you are trying to tell me that it's healthier to be vegan please commit Sudoku.

>>39683765
This is a fitness board primarily made up of men focusing on lifting weights. This study doesn't pertain to any of us.

>>39683738
Good luck lifting heavy shit when you don't have any of that "energy" left
Guess ya never learned the concept of "energy" and "work"

>>39683811
But now we have those big brains that let us work out what proteins and other nutrition we need, and which plants have said nutrients.

>tfw when not even a vegan

>>39683811
>that pic
at 4000 BC homo sapiens already existed for at least 150,000 years. The pyramids of Giza were built in 2700 BC

>>39683783
Because I'm replying to a post specifically talking about breast cancer

>>39683794
Ha, did not even give a thought as to human welfare, thanks for bringing that up! You are definitely right, the way I see people treat each other nowadays is horrifying
And then the idea to reduce the hate replies is by citing medical journals that back it up
Of course, as you said, though, it's ridiculous to assume that most people will take the time to read the medical journal or even the excerpts provided, but if it gets even one or two people to add some beans and broccoli to their plate rather than chili cheese fries then I'd consider it a success

>>39683862

Sure enough, I do not each much meat myself besides poultry or fish.

The claim that a diet based only on plant nutrients can somehow be healthier than a balanced diet that includes some animal protein and fats is laughable though.

>>39683874

>he doesn't recognize berrypicker

laughingconcubines.cavepainting

>>39683837
"Data from the Adventist Health Study showed that nonvegetarians had a substantially increased risk of both colorectal and prostate cancer than did vegetarians (23). A vegetarian diet provides a variety of cancer-protective dietary factors (24). In addition, obesity is a significant factor, increasing the risk of cancer at a number of sites (25). Because the mean BMI of vegans is considerably lower than that of nonvegetarians (8), it may be an important protective factor for lowering cancer risk.

Vegans consume considerably more legumes, total fruit and vegetables, tomatoes, allium vegetables, fiber, and vitamin C than do omnivores (14–16, 20, 23). All those foods and nutrients are protective against cancer (25). Fruit and vegetables are described as protective against cancer of the lung, mouth, esophagus, and stomach and to a lesser degree some other sites, whereas the regular use of legumes provides a measure of protection against stomach and prostate cancer. In addition, fiber, vitamin C, carotenoids, flavonoids, and other phytochemicals in the diet are shown to exhibit protection against various cancers, whereas allium vegetables provide protection against stomach cancer, and garlic against colorectal cancer. Foods rich in lycopene, such as tomatoes, are known to protect against prostate cancer (25)."

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full

From the same source

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mfw millenials calling it vegan instead of vegetarian. Just like frozen yogurt/froyo.

>>39683978
Eating poultry and fish, especially in reasonable amounts, is not a bad thing at all
A vegan diet is beneficial to someone that already has health concerns, needs to lose weight, or is at risk of developing a chronic condition
Eating meats without excess fat or all the add ons (oil, butter, etc) can be part of a perfectly well balanced diet

>>39684000
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic....
You probably are but:
Vegan means you do not eat any animal products at all - no yogurt, no milk, no cheese, no gelatin, no eggs, don't use silk, leather, wool products
Vegetarian doesn't eat meat or fish

>>39683811
Youtube nutritionfacts.org

You should do some real research before utterly dismissing a opposing viewpoint.

Its an unbiased MD view of diet and exercise cited by hundreds of medical studies around the globe.

I get that you may not agree, but please dont spew nonsense like "hurrdurr meets maeks muh brain bigz"

Look up chicken and dementia/alzheimer's ;)

>>39684053
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full

Also recommend this article!
Very nice anon, I'm a big fan of his channel, too!

>>39684000
Lol froyo is an abbreviation and vegan and vegetarian are two separate words with different meanings

>>39683039
I wish vegans would just fuck off.

No one gives a crap meat is tasty not fuck off.

>>39683039

Animals were created by God to be eaten.

>>39683994
no causality proven for rectal cancer or bmi because there is no causality.

this study should have just said "People with bad diets have health problems." The news outlets would have a field day with that catchy headline.

>>39684096
God also killed off the entire world for not listening to him.
God also "tested" a guy by seeing if he'd be willing to kill his own son
God also "tested" another guy by killing off his entire family and seeing how far he could go before said guy stopped worshiping him

>>39683296
woooow, you're sooooo manly and funny and witty ;)

>>39683039
My gf is vegan. Is there anything I should know? She doesn't impose her lifestyle on me.

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>>39683039
Don't legume cause estrogen problems?

>>39684123
"whereas a high childhood dairy intake has been associated with an elevated risk of colorectal cancer in adulthood"

>>39683978
I wouldn't consider it laughable at all.

A plant based diet CAN be just as good as a conventional diet.

It just often isn't, because it can be difficult and our entire dietary culture is based around animal products.

If you consume the right nutrients from a plant based source, then you will be as healthy as someone that consumes the right nutrients from animal based sources.

Tbh, simplifying it to Plant>Animal or Animal>Plant is wrong.
It's about What plant or animal products you're consuming.

>>39684142
That was theory at one point but it has been further studied and no correlation has been determined

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>>39684053
>>39684074

"Micronutrients of special concern for the vegan include vitamins B-12 and D, calcium, and long-chain n–3 (omega-3) fatty acids. Unless vegans regularly consume foods that are fortified with these nutrients, appropriate supplements should be consumed. In some cases, iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals."

That was in the abstract of the linked paper.

Hmmmmmm, I wonder where one can get these other essential nutrients... Maybe a little tuna and cottage cheese?

I am not disputing that a diet rich in veggies and fruit is a bad thing.

>>39684142
Chinese girl has a Chinese knockoff MAGA hat.

>>39684170
That's exactly right, you can still be a vegan and have a shit diet if you're eating fries and oreos all day
On the other hand you can have a conventional diet with fairly healthy foods but if you're covering it in cheese, butter, and fat like you so often see in those recipe videos that clutter my facebook, then it's still a shit diet

>>39684180
There are plant based sources of these micronutrients. But most people won't know or even think to check if they're deficient, or know what those plant based sources are. That's the danger of a vegan diet.
It needs thinking about - more thinking than a mixed diet.


Also - why the fuck is fish not considered meat? Always confused me

And is yeast vegan?
Because dat nutritional yeast is dam good for you and if you use it right can add some real nice flavour to yo cook

>>39684085
>meat is tasty

you mean the industrial with vegetables flavoured shit that you buy at walmart is tasty.

you wanna know how legit meat tastes like?
kill a chicken, pull out the feathers and rip out some flesh with your teeth.

thats real meat, faggot

>>39684180
No one said being a vegan was a perfect diet to end all disease and create the perfect being
The only point we're trying to reflect is that it is a better option than increasing your chances of developing cancer or other chronic diseases
Even then, you can still develop those diseases, in which case, setting yourself up with a plant based diet has been proven to help reduce the effects

Why is there so much vegan bullshit lately?
>Saving animals
>Implying it'll stop the millions of animal deaths because I decide to not eat them

>Increasing my lifts
>Implying I want to eat 1ton of broccoli to get the same amount of protein
>Implying I don't love the taste of meat

>Improving my health
>Implying I'm not already healthy
>Implying I wan to live to 100 years old
Even if I knew the difference was between living to 80 if I eat meat, and 100 if I was vegan, I'd still eat meat.

>>39684210
Thank you!

And yes, yeast is vegan, it's considered a fungi

>>39684241
If you're already healthy then props to you!

imo going vegan is a good way to get there if you're not already
For those on this board that are overweight and looking for advice on how to lose it, or have developed chronic diseases from weight gain then I'd recommend going vegan 100% of the time because chances are, once you've hit your goal, you'll be much more aware of the foods you're eating and will have a better time staying that way

>>39684276
>imo going vegan is a good way to get there if you're not already
You mean vegetarian right? Vegan is unhealthy as fuck. Regardless I think it'd be easier to cut back on meat rather than cut it out all together, unless you have a family history of problems, or have problems yourself already like you said.

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>>39683811

>>39684330
>using memes instead of making points
Typical vegan trash.

>>39684297
Nope, I mean vegan, because vegetarian lets you have all that cheese and dairy which is my main concern
Again, going vegan is an extreme solution, I'd be all for someone to cut down their meat consumption to a healthy level as long as it is a. to a healthy level b. cutting out all the fats (dairy)

>>39684351
Fats aren't bad though.

>>39684370
>>39684351
Yeah, thinking that fats are bad for you is some fucking retarded meme shit moms in the 80s peddled. Stop believing misinformation.

>>39684370
Fatty foods*
Like no nutritional value foods

>>39684390
Dairy has plenty of nutritional value and is a great addition to a diet assuming it's done in moderation, like with anything else in life.

>>39684408
"Dairy products—including cheese, ice cream, milk, butter, and yogurt—contribute significant amounts of cholesterol and saturated fat to the diet.15 Diets high in fat and especially in saturated fat can increase the risk of heart disease and can cause other serious health problems."

"Consumption of dairy products has also been linked to higher risk for various cancers, especially to cancers of the reproductive system. Most significantly, dairy product consumption has been linked to increased risk for prostate18-20 and breast cancers."

>>39684446
>cholesterol
>bad
You're not supposed to eat a block of cheese a day anon. Having a slice on a sammich or shaving some cheese in your eggs wont give you cancer.

>>39684408
Point being, yes, it does have nutritional value, but you can find the same nutrients in other foods that are going to be all around healthier, a glass of milk isn't going to kill you but heaps of cheese on every meal will hurt you

>>39684462
I don't know if you've seen the recipe videos going around facebook nowadays buuuut nearly every one I see has multiple types of cheese in huge amounts
There is no doubt that dairy in moderation won't be harmful

>>39683039
I'd rather die than be vegan faggot.

>>39684466
>heaps of cheese on every meal will hurt you
Why would you eat it every meal
I've never considering going vegetarian, let alone vegan, but I don't even eat meat every meal.
Next you're going to tell me eating 20 eggs a day is bad for you.

>>39684474
Yes, all the fancy meal shit on Facebook is extremely fattening or sugary shit. Stuff that should be made on special occasions only, to impress. Who has time to make all that shit every day?

>believing anything from nutritional science

seriously though
is there any study of these that the conclusion isn't "we followed people who ate meat and people who didn't for ten years and at the end more people who ate meat had heart attacks"

Is there anything more empirical that can actually demonstrate the chemical effect on the body vegans claim meat has?

>>39684501
I mean, quite a few people do manage to include it in every meal and in excess amounts.

As I had said somewhere else before, I would only recommend going vegan to you if you were staggeringly overweight or if you had a chronic disease (triggered by obesity)

I do acknowledge that eating meat/not being vegan is unethical, unhealthy and is destroying our planet, but I'm too lazy and weak to follow a strict diet.

I stopped buying meat but I still eat it when I'm at uni or when I'm offered. I eat quite a lot of eggs but quit dairy products some months ago.

>>39684594
why not just calorie restrict

seriously

if the best answer you have for longevity and weight loss is follow an extremely strict diet almost nobody can actually follow through on your approach is fundamentally flawed

>>39684579
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

This article cites multiple studies, one of which was conducted over 7.4 years, another over 11 years.
In this particular one, they're studying the correlation between a plant vs meat diet and cancer buuuut there ya go!

>>39684598
>eating meat/not being vegan is unethical
no it's not unethical, there is an ends to a means to eating meat, death is a reality of life

it is better to confront death in the face and realize that we will have to kill millions of animals even if nobody eats their meat at all because we have to to survive and live the way we do

>>39684150
through what mechanism?
what is the exact biochemical mechanism that elevates the risk?

there is none. high childhood dairy intake points to poor parenting and low income which points to bad genetics and low quality living/working situations+environmental triggers. all of these things could account for increased risk of any type of cancer.

>>39683039
A pure vegan diet is impossible for most of the planet it also has it's own share of health problems
Lastly, a good chunk of the planet was murdered(I'm talking a full genocide on the microbes in the rich living earth that gives the world life and the native flora and fauna) and rendered completely incabable of sustaining any life without human intervention for centuries all to put two more ears of corn on your plate.

>>39684624
But we can survive (even better actually) without killing animals, and to me it's even not about the killing but rather about the shitty conditions which the animals have to endure so you could have your 10lbs of chicken for cheap

>>39684607
It's really not hard to follow through on this diet, first off

secondly, again, the point is that this is a solution to help yourself learn to eat healthy in general

I've never spoken to someone trying to diet that hasn't given in within two weeks and gone out for burgers and icecream or something similar
The point is that if you tell yourself you're changing your lifestyle with this and can realize the multiple benefits, then it'll be easier to lessen your red meat/dairy later.

>>39684658
>But we can survive (even better actually) without killing animals,
no we can't actually
because wildlife management is a fact of life

do you have any idea how many deer and woodchucks apple farmers (for instance) have to shoot? If you live in a city and eat food you are doing so because someone somewhere is killing the animals trying to eat your food and killing the animals that would otherwise go into your city and eat your pets, children and potentially you

>>39684684
How clueless are you if you didn't realise that I was talking about farmed animals?

>>39684674
>It's really not hard to follow through on this diet, first off
then why do most people fail?

>>39684674
>It's really not hard to follow through on this diet
It's hard for most people to change their diet to begin with, let alone something as extreme as no dairy or fucking meat.

>>39684621
but those studies if you took the time to look at them are exactly the type of studies i described

this is always the massive issues with dietary science people with agendas pick up information and try to say the science says something it actually doesn't. In fact his problem crops up frequently in science for laymen climate change being an excellent example

>>39684698
Because getting burgers and ice cream is a more convenient option then cooking your own dinner

>>39684658
>But we can survive (even better actually) without killing animals
I somehow doubt we'd have enough land to convert to fields for the mass amounts we'd need to feed everyone.

Also who really gives a fuck if they're living life if we still kill them in the end? Whats the point of giving them a fulfilling lifestyle?

>>39684694
and again it doesn't matter because all that livestock will have to go somewhere and all that agriculture will continue to disrupt habitat and wildlife management will have to continue on an even larger scale

this idea of no more ranching is not a realistic way of doing living and I don't think killing animals is ethically preferable to not killing animals because again it is about why we are doing it and actually taking responsibility for the impact you have on the world and not just burying your head in the sand and eating cornflakes and saying "well at least i'm not killing anything directly."

>>39684749
Dude..peta kills more dogs then every dog fighter on the american continent combined.

They don't want to give them fulfilling lives.
They want them all dead or mostly sterilized. You know, so they can't suffer anymore.

>>39684211
Way to jump to conclusions bone head.

I hunt and those animals I buy are all locally sourced and I have help with slaughter.

I accept the fact we are omnivores and I eat a balanced diet.

No go fuck off to your vegan corner. I will live mine as I see /fit.

>>39683039
>Oh and did I hear animals?
All this animal impact shit is pretty pointless. What you don't hear about in mass plant farming is how many insects are mulched harvesting crops, how many moles and small mammals are caught in threshers, tillers, and how much fossil fuel energy it takes to get the plats growing, out of the ground and to your table; the difference between farms switching from animals to plants is pretty negligible to your ethics meter when you really take a close look at the numbers.

Just eat meat, it's fine.

>>39684749
>I somehow doubt we'd have enough land to convert to fields for the mass amounts we'd need to feed everyone.

you do realise that 80% of arable land is being used to farm fodder for livestock?

What is annoying is how we're all chilled, bench pressing, minding our own business and then some vegan assholes start pointing fingers at us just because we eat meat.

Fuck off faggots, let other people do whatever the fuck they want.

>>39684830
We wouldn't want them to die dumbass, how else would we eat?

>>39684053
>a guy talking about animal fat and red meat
>"lol chicken meat and memory issues"

at least try to stay on topic to the person you're replying to

>>39684851
holy fuck you are stupid

>>39684211

Nice retort I love the fall back to calling me faggot.

Processed food is garbage.

Most of my meat is locally sourced. I know my farmers I have rubbed my bacon before it became bacon.

I am perfectly okay with killing and slaughtering an animal and have done it many times.

Vegans are the most annoying people they are even worst then that guy that used to smoke who has to remind everyone who smokes how bad smoking is and no I have never smoked and that guy is an asshole like you.

Most cases of food poisoning come from vegetables.

>>39684836
>Fuck off faggots, let other people do whatever the fuck they want.

but it doesn't affect just you, growing livestock is a huge burden on our environment

>>39684830

You do realize most of land used to raise cattle is not farm-able right. Generally its easier to build houses on farmland.

>>39684674
People like you are bat shit crazy.

>>39684892
but 80% of the arable land is being used to grow fodder for livestock instead of for human use

can't you read or are you just generally slow?

>>39684649
>vegan
>health problems

literally what.

Anyways:

The problem isn't the diet , the problem is the people that attempt to implement the diet on THEIR terms instead of doing it "correctly" <--( this is the key word ladies and gents).

Most people are too lazy to even look up basic minerals and their core functions. everyone is just used to having food being prepared for them and slopped in front of their faces for their entire lives. Whats baffling is that just because it tastes good, there are people who will blindly defend it.

I understand that some people just cannot do it, due to whatever reason. Skewing the line , however, between one's opinion and whats been proven via medical documentation is where the line has to be drawn friends.

it costs more resources (water, landspace, grains, etc) to fatten up animals for slaughter. starvation in third world countries could be seriously addressed if more people frequented the butcher less and put a piece of green in their mouths.

There are people out there that still smoke knowing the risks. If you want to consume animal products , go for it, the red carpet is out for you. Just dont lie to yourself while doing so.

26 yo male, never touched meat/eggs in my life. AMA.

>>39684598

Unethical to who a few bat shit crazy vegans. shake your head. Vegans have no idea how much the rest of us just simply tolerate your bullshit. You a joke.

>>39684911
Do you find the smell of bacon cooking at all pleasant?

>>39684927
I genuinely hate all aromas that arise from cooking meat.

>>39684907
How else would the cows live if they didn't have food?

>>39684922
obviously you lack sympathy
I'm not even vegan and I realise that it's pretty fucking unethical to keep animals locked up in shitty conditions only so people could have muh bacon

>>39684934
How can cows be real if food isn't real?

>>39684934
now I know that you are just trolling

>>39684910
>starvation in third world countries could be seriously addressed if more people frequented the butcher less and put a piece of green in their mouths.


That would be a bad fucking idea. The ensuing population explosion would make the migrant crisis look like a bad day at a frathouse.

>>39684960
So you're spouting this shit about saving animals but want to take away their food
nice

>>39684632
try researching both sides of the spectrum in regards to dairy consumption.

Dairy milk's sole purpose is to help baby cows grow into strong adults, it was not biologically designed for humans.

Cancer isnt a genetics problem , its a diet/environmental problem (i know ethanol from gas stations is a good example) as you previously stated.

Casein, which is one of the primary components of whey which is found up to 80% abundance in milk, is the trigger point that sparks the initial cancer growth in cells.

>>39683039
WHAT ABOUT MUSCLE GAIN????????

>>39684911
Have you ever used a long vegetable as a sex toy?

>>39684815
No one is going to stop you doing what you're going to do. Have fun killing or whatever. Staying ignorant to the health risks, which are overbearingly obvious, is just bad judgement on your part.

The ass pain is real with this one, you must be a riot in relationships

>>39684907

No I am not slow, but you just changed the argument which is fine.

If you want to include land used to grow food for livestock you have to consider why that land is being used as such. Depending on the feed and type of animal that crop is being used to replenish the soil.

I get it you read some whit on a website and now you think your smart. No your just another idiot that has no context to where there food comes from.

>>39684946

Don't give a fuck. Next.

>>39684961
Thats what we have STD's for chief, nature has our back.

>>39685032
I didn't change the argument. I just added the "for human use" since you didn't seem to understand that the land could be used to produce something else

It has nothing to do with replenishing the soil, for example most of the corn produced goes to livestock

>>39685039
wow you are edgy

>>39685039
>>39685039
ya dont give a fuck cause its not you. nyce dood.

put your species in their position for once and just think about it. Look at everything that is done to make your meat and tell me if it would be any different if humans were in their place.

>>39685039
Have you ever played a PC game called Prey? It shows you what it would be like to be livestock. And what it would be like to walk on walls, but that's beside the point...

>>39685008

Health risks to a balanced diet. Really you can do better.

Not worried about colon cancer at all one of the easiest to treat especially for people who are checked regularly.

Even if I where to agree with you that I would live longer vegan which I don't. Having to eat vegan for the rest of my life would not be worth the 5 minutes I would gain from it. Every study you use to say your healthier is based on the average diet of those not vegan.

Outside of your metrosexual circle of friends in the real world there are alot of us that liek to hunt and generally we are a riot and fun to be around. People like you telling others how to live and whats ethical are assholes and shit to be around.

>>39685110
>>39685100

Whine moar faggots. Realise that the universe is a random smattering of occurrences and that non of this actually matters you shit brains.

>>39685087
>(You)

Only if you take out the 40% of corn that goes to ethanol.

I understand very well.

>>39685110
>(You)
A cow would wear you for a jacket if it could.

>>39685155
did someone watch the discovery channel last Saturday night?

>>39685125

Hay reality check this is not a video game.

>>39685110
>put your species in their position for once and just think about it
What does that accomplish? Till some Prey shit happens we're fine.
And guess what? If something like that did happen, there would be nothing we could do to stop it.

>>39685194

What's discovery channel?

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>>39683039
1) Veganism is only healthi(er) because most other people don't give any thought to what they eat, besides taste.

2) Humans are at the top of the food chain and taking advantage of animals is how we've progressed so far.

3) Veganism is being used for political power and for creating the new generation of liberal voters. Some people actually believe that 51% of greenhouse gases come milk and meat industries, because the UK green party said so, even though the U.N. says it's 19% and the EPA says it's 9%.

4) Kill yourself, you virtue signalling fag

>>39684910
That you think it's possible for everyone is outright retarded.

>>39684961
Do you actually know how many people live in those countries and how much land there is or is it a simple mindless gut reaction that has been ingrained into you from childhood by media and academia.

>>39685040
Vaccination actually. The same kind that are being used to partially lobotomize and sterilze americans right now.

>>39683039
dropped 50lbs in 3 months with meat. Cool story vegan.

>>39683215
>not even vegans know about lentils

fucking retards lmao

the ultimate redpill
thats why you faggots refuse to even listen

>>39685224

>Vaccination actually. The same kind that are being used to partially lobotomize and sterilze americans right now.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

>>39683039
Have a heart eat a rock you fucking plant killer.

>>39685143
you dont like to read past your ass pain huh?
Read my post bruh.
No one said you need to stop doing anything, because you're going to live your life. Choosing to staying ignorant is just retarded on your part.

Research your shit and actually reeeeeead before flying off the handle Capn. Underpants.

>>39685143
>im a fun guy i swear
>posts on 4chan

>>39685188
a cow? unlikely... now a wolf or some shit? got me boss

>>39685219
just because you're at the top of the food chain doesnt mean you are entitled to abuse it.

again, think about it.

>>39685224
for countries that waste literally Tons of food? yes its possible. put on your big boy pants and try sometime.

>>39685283
>doesnt mean you are entitled to abuse it.
That's exactly what it means to be on top of the food chain.

>>39685283
just because vegans are at the top of the faggot chain doesn't mean they are entitled to the virtue they keep signalling.

again, think about it.

>>39683039
Id like put some meat in her diet

>>39685230
oh so you stopped eating like a fucking sloth? Congrats bro. hows that manlet life treating you?

>>39685326
missing the point, nice breh. Im asking you to use that manlet sized brain and think outside your box

>i dont want to think cause its hardddddd

the girls must flock to you.

>>39684978
>Implying any food can be said to be 'biologically designed' for human consumption.

You're a fucking idiot.

The biggest triggers for cancers are obesity and high bf%. Not enough studies about dairy or meat diets are controlled for weight or other lifestyle choices.

There are hardly any cohort studies either.

>>39684903
People like you clearly have no self control if you can't even follow a "diet"

>>39685248
Nah I just like myself

>>39685380
As if girls aren't all over chad while he's eating PEPPERONI PIZZA

>>39685380
>the girls must flock to you.
Yeah, almost any decent girl isn't a worthless vegan.

>>39685535
Yeah, almost any decent guy would give a fuck about anything but their burger

>>39685587
I give a fuck about plenty. Luckily most the population on earth eats meat, so it isn't an issue.

>>39685258

Now that is funny did you even read your original post.

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>>39684991

>>39685188
"Don't kid yourself Jimmy, if a cow ever got the chance he'd eat you and everyone you cared about!". - Meat And You: Partners In Freedom

>>39685450

>Not enough studies about dairy or meat diets are controlled for weight or other lifestyle choices.

Virtually every study on diet will at a minimum control for BMI

>>39685795
>cucumber
>vegetable
pick one

>>39685829
There's a point: we've been eating the wrong animals. We should be eating lions and bears and things for not only having the audacity to present a threat to us, but also to punish them for all the innocent creatures they've eaten.

>>39684135
Just let her be!
I don't know her but I'm vegan and my bf isn't, only thing is maybe look at a restaurant menu before you go out?
Most restaurants can accommodate and already have a veggie option of some kind but if you take the initiative to look it up it'll show her you support her!

>>39685891
Culinary definition differs from botanical, genius.

>>39683664

Yeah it's pretty much this. I really love meat and milk, but nowadays we really do consume a fucking lot of meat and dairy, and we have to at least aknowledge that this is a modern luxury, it's overconsumed, and thus, overproduced, and that leads to an unethical and unsubstainable food industry.

But I wouldn't even reduce my own consumption, I'm on GOMAD and I eat meat twice per day. How the fuck could I cope with less ?

>>39683039
Your ancestors didn't bulk by munching on fucking trees you Beta fuck, they stuffed themselves full of Meat.

>>39686288
Our ancestors also only lived to 35 if they were lucky.
They didn't need to worry about health problems after that age

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>>39686288

>Your ancestors didn't bulk by munching on fucking trees

Depends on how far back you want to go. Munching on plants is what primates do.

I can understand the not eating meats part but what's with the no milk and eggs and shit? Do Vegans consider those a health issue or is it purely a moral issue?

>>39686384


Both

im rlly confused

sample of my diet

ok for dinner a piece of chicken, fiber pasta mixed with spinach and cherry tomatoes and some broccoli

breakfast oatmeal mixed with grassfed pure whey and a green smoothie

i had coconut yogurt and nuts for a snack

and i drank a ~300 cal bottle of protein kefir

is this unhealthy??

>>39686477

That's pretty good. I would swap atleast some of the chicken for beans (white beans would go well with the pasta and tomatoes)

Some berries or other fruits would be good too

>>39683080
I could link you my fitnesspal daily diary, I cruise around 150-190g of protein a day, majority comes from beans (200 grams of kidney beans (dry) = 60g) and some from rice protein powder. Bread also has pretty good macros, except for the sodium, but I sweat a ton so it's all good.

>>39683039

I understand we're trying to keep an air of liberalism about diet and sexuality however I beg to differ as my heterosexual forefathers have had an omnivorous diet for centuries before me.

I can't understand this push for more homosexuality but then again I also don't understand why there doesn't seem to be a difference between being vegan and a flaming homosexual.

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>>39683284
Get outta here, shill.
"Our" animal products... do you listen to yourself? Only retards end up with deficiencies because they don't bother to look into anything, and it sounds like you are saying that a meat-based diet prevents deficiencies, when instead it exacerbates them through high acidity which in turns leaches nutrients, meaning bioavailability is down from the get go.
Nice try, though, shillman.

>>39686535
"look ma, I shitposted again!"

>>39686508
yeah, I would eat berries if I liked them. there's no tasty low cal fruit
the problem with beans is the carbs idk

>>39686477
From a purely nutritional standpoint, this is somewhat okay (not in the longterm, however, as dairy is what causes osteoporosis through acidification). Morally it is unjust to eat the flesh and droopings of enslaved animals.
You can easily replace kefir with coconut milk for similar macros, chicken with tempeh or marinated tofu (DIY, not the pre-marinated, expensive shit) and whey with rice/pea/hemp/soy protein.
All the best, anon.

>>39686588

>I would eat berries if I liked them

I've never met someone who didn't like berries. They're delicious.

Maybe try to throw some frozen blueberries in with your green smoothie. It's really worth adding to your diet.

>>39686360
Damn, that's a good one.

>>39686617
the kefir has 30g of protein
what's a good vegan protein powder that's not gritty?
and I honestly don't think chicken is bad. its pure protein and the texture cant be duped with tofu

>>39685535
>worthless vegan

Oh, the irony, Mr Meathead. Oh, the irony.

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>>39685326

>>39686644
I use Sunwarrior rice protein, pretty nice in chocolate flavour, amino acid profile is also 'full'.
Chicken is not bad in a nutritional sense, but it still is the tits of a female bird, you know.
The trick to tofu is to chuck it in a pan pre-heated with a bit of oil and then add some curry powder and whatever else ye fancy and get it nice and crispy. I shit you not when I say I have had tofu that tasted like chicken AND had the texture of chicken.

>>39683039
Thanks brah.

I'm going to check out soy and pea protein for my next order

>>39683647
>Eating less meat should be the focus, not cutting it out completly.
This.
The pushy vegans are working against themselves

>>39684824
>when you really take a close look at the numbers
Where can I look at the numbers?

>>39686360
>vegansidekick

must be from the creator of the facebook page "Hate Liberals? Bite me!"

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>>39686617
>morally
>unjust

what a weak-ass "human" being

>>39686880
you can suck my dick anytime, senpai :-)

>>39686822

You sound like an addict

>>39684824

Take everything you just said and multiply it by 30, and that's how much worse meat farming is when you factor in all the crops we have to grow to feed the animals

>>39687053
The only people with problems are the ones who can't properly balance their diet to include meat and dairy.

>>39687329

Cool, you have vegan eating days pretty often then?

>>39687342
Vegan not so much, vegetarian pretty often. My diet is mostly beans, rice, veggies, fruits, yogurt, almond milk, nuts, cottage cheese, eggs, bread, turkey, chicken, tuna/other fish, and beef occasionally.

I don't eat meat every day, but that usually means I'll have some yogurt or cottage cheese. Guess I'm gonna die soon from that cup of yogurt I had this morning.

>>39687394

>Guess I'm gonna die soon from that cup of yogurt I had this morning.

Prostate cancer is a bitch

Dairy sucks and people should largely eschew it
Mest is gr8 though. I dont think you need to smash steaks at every meal but a grass fed steak a few times a week is going to do you more good than harm i think

>>39687530

Why would eating an artery-clogging, carcinogenic food a few times a week do more good than harm?

>>39687545
Works for me. I'm in great health and get regular full body checkups since I've been checking for something else.

>>39687545
Plenty of carnivorous animals seem to do alright eating meat.

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>>39683039
Which is more "moral"?

Eating a cow, which lived in harmony with nature.

Factory farming anything, unintentionally killing countless animals in the process.

>>39687592

And I hope you stay that way, but when you include unhealthy foods like that in your diet, it raises the chances that you'll develop health problems later in life, not all of which can be conveniently tracked.

>>39687545
Nice loaded question, chuckletits.

>>39687630

It's a fair way to phrase it when someone says eating red meat several times a week is a good idea.

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>>39687637
No.

>>39683039
Ok, I might give this vegan thing a shot. Give me a vegan diet plan tho cause I am not making my own. Extra points for as minimal effort as possible required to make the food and is cheap would.

>>39687655

>Breakfast: Bowl of oats with flax, blueberries/banana and either water or the vegan milk of your choice (almond, soy...)

>Lunch or Dinner (1): Salad with greens (lettuce, cabbage...), beans (black beans, chickpeas...), carrots, onions, and a dressing made from olive oil or peanut butter, tahini, etc.
>Lunch or Dinner (2): Peanut butter on whole wheat bread (preferably one you bake and slice yourself, this is another easy way to mix in flax to your diet)
>Lunch or Dinner (3): Burritos (rice, beans, avocado, tomatoes, bell pepper...lots of versatility)
>Snacks: Fruits, steamed veggies, nuts

One thing to keep in mind on a vegan diet is basically everything you eat will have lots of fiber. This means a rough transition period of shitting if you don't chew your food thoroughly or aren't used to eating much fiber. This also means you will get full with a lot less calories. It's common for people to lose weight on vegan diets simply because the foods aren't calorie dense (besides nuts, which are still rather filling). If you don't like beans, learn to like them, because they are very important to get enough protein.

>>39687545
You could reduce my risk of cancer significantly right now by leaving and never coming back

>>39687628
Vast majority of humanity eats meat and plenty live to their 80s-100s. I think I'll enjoy eating some fucking meat even if it takes 1-2 years off my life.

>>39687655
>Give me a vegan diet plan
Breakfast: 10 dick sucks, swallow full load
Lunch: Absorb semen through your anus
Dinner: Try to convert people on /fit/ by making a thread

>>39688194

>us healthcare spending alone is in the trillions of dollars every year

People making it to 80 after 2 strokes and a heart attack, with budding cancers and signs of dementia, while taking 20 types of medication to bring down their blood pressures and treat their arthritic joints isn't reassuring. It's not an "everything is fine" situation we're currently in.

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>>39688201

>try to make fun of vegans by saying gay things that technically aren't vegan
>the irony goes right over your head

>>39688237
Yes, because of the obese and people with terrible eating habits, smoking, alcoholism, and so on.

Not because you eat meat every now and then or have a glass of fucking milk. Do you not understand moderation? Why is it all or nothing for you?

>>39688250
>technically aren't vegan
>Implying semen isn't the best vegan diet
You extract it through pleasure and it isn't meat. It's one of the best vegan foods out there.

>>39685890

Yes, most studies of this type would control for BMI.

The problem with vegan studies is this when compared to the average they miss a true compactor which are people on the other side of the coin that are eating balanced diets and are concerned about long term issues.

I have see eggs be good, bad, whites good and yoke bad and on and on they jabber when the real answer is balance.

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>equating all diets that include meat to the standard amerifat diet

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>>39683039
Lol, no thanks bro.

>>39684142
fukin gook

>>39688253

>Moderation

Same argument can be applied to smoking (and it was in the past). Sure smoking 1 cigarette a day probably won't do much, but it's definitely an increased risk factor that is easily avoided. Same thing with eating red meat or drinking milk. People become vegans because they can accept living a life without any amount of these animal products, and not suffer because of it. There are so many wonderful flavor and spices out there that people seem to just ignore, while insisting that not eating meat would be terrible because it's too extreme.

>>39688264

>The problem with vegan studies is this when compared to the average they miss a true compactor which are people on the other side of the coin that are eating balanced diets and are concerned about long term issues.

While I think it's nutty to say that vegans are all focused on eating healthy (vegan junk foods are a huge market and plenty of people go vegan purely for ethical reasons), some of the best vegan studies do make an effort to compare healthy-conscious vegans to health-conscious omnivores. The vegans still end up healthier for the most part.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

And eggs, like meat to some extent, are unhealthy for mostly well understood reasons, like the cholesterol and saturated fat content being bad for the heart.

>>39688347
>Same argument can be applied to smoking
No, it can't be. Alcohol it can be, but not smoking.
Glass of wine a week wont kill you. Smoking is pure cancer.
Beef patty once a week wont kill you. Nor will eating meat/fish a few times a week.

How can people be so delusional and afraid of eating meat or having dairy?

>>39683859
Thanks for the physics lecture
((((Einstein))))

>>39688368

>smoking is pure cancer but beef is fine

Keep living in your delusional world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud7RkxtO3-Y

>>39688439
Sure. I'll enjoy occasionally eating meat and living a healthy life, because I know moderation.

>>39683284
>A complete(mostly) animal based diet is better than an incomplete vegan diet - which is what most people will have.

Also, a complete (mostly) plant based diet is better than an incomplete animal diet.
Really, a complete (anything) based diet is better than an incomplete anything-else based diet.

I have 3 sisters all vegan, they have been trying their best to make me come around to their way of thinking..
I currently eat a mostly plant based diet, but supplemented with chicken, tuna, eggs and cheese.
Feels way better than when I was eating meat as the main component of every single meal, and is much more fulfilling both nutritionally and ethically.
>feelsgoodman.jpg

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us

great lecture from my boy peter, give 'er a listen
or don't

>>39687545
chicken breast is pretty clean, egg whites are pretty clean, so are most fishes like sardines which provide omega-3 oils which are healthy for your skin.

>>39688689

Good rebuttal of this guy

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv3QDzdxan_IVgksyJDGR_PO6noKU0r_1

(Attia shows up in video 16 but the whole playlist is a good watch)

Its impossible to get all the nutrients you need from a meatless diet. Not enough EPA/DHA in flax, no creatine, no b12, no carnitine. That doesnt even include the minerals you'll have to supplement.

We evolved to eat meat. Our ancestors painted pictures on cave walls of them hunting.

But go ahead, have fun with your roundup ready soy, corn and wheat!

>>39683039
just broke my 14 day no fap to this pic

>>39689063
>We evolved to eat meat.
This
Vegans always argue
>muh teeth
and
>muh organs
and tell us we aren't biologically designed for a carnivorous diet
Maybe we came from fruit+nut eating monkeys or whatever,
but the fact is the majority of the human race has been eating meat for 15,000+ years and we have evolved to require it as part of a balanced diet.
Yes, you can *survive* on a vegan diet- and shit, maybe you'll even live a longer and healthier life, but without meat you will never thrive in the very slightly shorter time that you spend here.

>>39689063

Of those, only B12 is an essential nutrient, the rest your body make. B12 is most reliably gotten from supplements whether you eat meat or not.

https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2000/b12-deficiency-may-be-more-widespread-than-thought/

>That doesnt even include the minerals you'll have to supplement.

Good, because you don't need to supplement minerals

>we evolved to eat meat

We evolved with meat as a useful food that provided calories and other nutrients in places where food was scarce. In the modern age, it's not an ideal food to have as a regular, prominent part of your diet.

>>39689096

>Maybe you'll even live a longer and healthier life
>Without meat you will never thrive

I'm curious as to what your definition of "thrive" is.

Humans may have evolved to eat meat, but that doesn't make it the optimal diet for longevity and illness prevention.

>>39689253
I'm not here to live a long and healthy life
I'm here to pass my seed to as many single mothers as I can escape from.

>>39689273

Still not seeing how meat helps with that in any way.

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>>39684910
No man... "correctly" is not the key.
The key is "RAW"!
All animals in this planet besides us are eating raw. Well us and Dogs and this is why Humans and then Dogs have the most diseases.
If we would eat raw, we would be strong and healthy. Ancient Greeks (spartans) were eating raw and they were strong and anytime ready for battle. Leonidas was 60 years old in the Battle of thermopiles!
Eat raw motherfuckers and live the longest as bad motherfuckers. Pussies

>>39689279
>masculinity
They exist of course, but it's much harder to find a chick that wants a little vegan manlet bitch than it is to find a dozen chicks who want a man pumped full of meaty testosterone.

>>39689320

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16891352

>Seventeen male odor donors were on "meat" or "nonmeat" diet for 2 weeks wearing axillary pads to collect body odor during the final 24 h of the diet. Fresh odor samples were assessed for their pleasantness, attractiveness, masculinity, and intensity by 30 women not using hormonal contraceptives. We repeated the same procedure a month later with the same odor donors, each on the opposite diet than before. Results of repeated measures analysis of variance showed that the odor of donors when on the nonmeat diet was judged as significantly more attractive, more pleasant, and less intense. This suggests that red meat consumption has a negative impact on perceived body odor hedonicity.

>>39689338

Also red meat makes cum taste worse.

>>39689280
What you fantasize isn't real anon

Humans have prepared all meat for atleast 10000 years now

>>39689338
>>39689345
Lucky I don't eat red meat then.
Mate I wish I could say I was serious, but I'm kinda half trolling here because you keep asking damn questions that I'm sick of answering.
I'm not entirely vegan but I eat a heavily plant based diet, the only animal products I consume are chicken breast, tuna, eggs and cheese- and only occasionally they are not part of my daily diet just 2-3 times per week.
Though I have been told by a few different women that I smell, but that it's a good smell, so maybe it's only red meat that makes you smell unattractive as well.
>muh musk

>>39689402

eggs and cheese are pretty shit

>>39689415
Mostly agreed. I only eat eggs as ingredients in other recipes, not on their own.. and cheese well shit, I just can't give it up. It is literally scientifically proven addictive-tier. But I don't eat much of it, pretty much 20-30g in a salad or with tomato on toast.

>>39683039
A vegan diet is, like any extreme diet, unhealthy and shit.

What a surprise that it is better than a American fatties diet right?
It's still less healthy than a balanced, normal diet.

>>39689449

>It's still less healthy than a balanced, normal diet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVGpTLMN6w4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rIyhuJRzU

>>39689473
I'm working, not going to watch YouTube videos.
Make your own points.

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>>39689366
Delusional.

>>39689513

>summary of first video
eating more of a mediterranean type diet can significantly reduce peoples' chances of having a heart attack but it doesn't even come close to the success whole food vegan diets have had in treating heart disease
>summary of second video
the diet the usda recommends was designed to mimic vegetarian diets for their blood pressure lowering benefits while still containing some meat so more people will stick to it, but meat and even dairy were shown to increase blood pressure and vegans have been fouind to have as little as 1/4 of the risk of developing hypertension

a normal balanced diet isn't designed to be the best possible diet, it's a compromise between being healthy and being tasty and easy to follow. but more serious dietary changes = better results.

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>>39683080
i'm a vegan and i'm afraid of soy causing increased igf-1 levels which doesn't cause cancer but allows for cancer cells to grow faster. i can easily use soy to hit that golden .8g per lb of lean body mass but i'm really searching for something to use other than soy products and beans. beans are great but its a bit much, also it'd be like 150g of dietary fiber which is somewhat mitigated by adequate hydration but still, there must be better ways besides soy products and beans. are pea and brown rice protein powders the only other alternative guys?

>>39689971
whey protein sure is comfy...

>>39683859
>vegan who gets 0 natty creatine trying to say a diet which provides creatine won't make him feel stronger

Literally, LITERALLY retarded

>>39689987
this

>>39684330
>southpark
>>>/9gag/

>>39688359
So I can eat red meat and eggs then since I have fine cholesterol levels and an optimal blood pressure.

I've never met a vegan who is healthier than me. They're usually just skinny fat, have shitty hair, bad skin and complain about tiredness and insomnia.

>>39684042
>>39684077
Vegan/vegetarian is the same shit with same arseholes!

>every shred of "evidence" pointing to how good vegan diets are is only in comparison to standard shit diet
>crickets when asked to compare it to an actual good diet

How safe is drinking milk? I heard it increases the chances of prostate cancer. Is 250 ml a day too much? That's the only diary product I consume, apart from some butter (~10-20 g) once a week.

I know veganism is better but I cant do it in my culture because if you refuse some of the traditional foods then everyone thinks you are crazy.

All these ppl talking about cholesterol and shit. Kek. My father eats lots of meat, mostly fatty meat cause he likes it. Guess what? He's got perfect everything in case of health. No cholesterol problems, perfect blood pressure, pretty much everything. Stop deluding yourself

>>39690348
There are alot more reason not to consume milk, not just prostate cancer.
Cow milk is fluid for Baby cows to grow up.
Why the fuck drink Baby cow fluid...

it's time to filter these fucking threads

>>39690589

>All these ppl talking about lung disease and shit. Kek. My father smokes lots of tobacco, mostly cigarettes cause he likes it. Guess what? He's got perfect everything in case of health. No heart attacks, perfect blood pressure, pretty much everything. Stop deluding yourself

>>39688406
>((((Einstein))))
More like
((((Watt))))
((((Joule))))

>>39684142
Asian girl like this also vegan is perfection

>>39685223
Vegans have a right wing history

Vegan nation state is more self sustaining

Destroying your people with subsidized meat full of hormones (all modern meat besides top 4%) is retarded

>>39690456
be the change you wish to see!

>>39691744
THIS
thank you.
just because you know a case that proves something different doesn't mean that it's OVERALL healthy to smoke, or eat meat/animal products.

>>39690348
there are sooo many alternatives to milk. I have switched to spelt milk and I love it. and instead of butter I use margarine if I really need it.

think about it: you're not a baby cow. you don't need milk from another species.
all these people who say they're "lactose intolerant"...no,they just aren't calfs.

>>39689063
>our ancestors painted pictures on cave walls of them hunting
>that means i have to do the same
is like saying:
>fast forward 3000 years
>our ancestors posted sad frogs on a taiwanese knitting imageboard
>that means i have to do the same

>like, what is evolution?

>>39683482
Kek, this retard thinks eating meat will make you less energetic.
Go Vegan - Fuck common knowledge.

>>39690321
underrated post

clean omnivorous/vegetarian diet >>>>>>>> vegan diet >(POWERGAP)>>>>> SAD

until there's a well-designed study that compares a balanced omnivorous diet to a balanced vegan diet and finds the latter healthier, there is NO REASON to go vegan

>>39683039
Vegan is shit for cutting you never get the proteins without tipping over your kcals per day

>>39688359

I also do not consider vegan as a healthy choice. I believe it unnecessarily removes great nutritional sources, but when compared to the "average" diet (Everything Else Lumped Together). The vegan choice while flawed is better than the average.

>>39691003

Because its tasty, nutritious and when part of a balanced work life diet makes for an awesome fuel.

Oh the outrage "fluid for Baby cows" I wish this whole SJW fad would fad away.

>>39690002

Casein proteins cause diabetes

>>39691846
>Vegans have a right wing history

b-but hitler didn't eat meat!!

go to any fucking vegan forum and bring trump or politics up. the largest piece of human waste in the UK parliament is a communist vegan, go figure

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>>39690321
no...no.....the meatists are waking up!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEE how can I feel virtuous now???? REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>39691003
semen is for babby to be formed.

why the fuck drink babby form liquid...

>>39684142
>knockoff MAGA hat

trash

>>39683039
>A plant-based diet is proven to be healthier and more efficient for weight loss and for maintaining weight loss.
thats a mightly big claim you made their, especially when you chose to use the word "proven". yet there's not a single empirical study or any empirical evidence listed in your post. well now I know you're a moron who doesn't know how science works. IGNORED and OFFTOPIC

>>39683039
I swear it's a single guy making all of these god damn vegan threads

>>39690174

Whatever you mean by "fine cholesterol," it may not be ideal cholesterol levels or protect you from a heart attack.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/majority-of-hospitalized-heart-75668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakaozfALho

Interestingly, red meat and eggs are so un heart healthy that they can promote plaque formation separately from their effects on cholesterol levels

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/11/researchers-find-new-link-between-red-meat-and-heart-disease-video/

>>39692957
>whey = casein