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Why are powerlifters such fat retards?

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>>39596901
>tfw no cute pupper

>>39596912
Because they are powerlifters

>>39596930
>>39596912
delet

>>39596943
t. fat retard

>tfw set Isley and esme up months ago
:^)

Should I get tigjt fit or one size below tight fit for my SBD knee sleeves

>>39596954
oh?

>105x

holy shit lmfao kys

OHP makes for a better, less farcical competition lift and is what powerlifting needs to be taken more seriously.

Discuss

>>39596990
What is farcical about the bench press

>>39596990
Overhead pressing was LITERALLY removed from weightlifting because it was stupid difficult to ref.

I mean people are already making questionable calls on squats so getting rid of bench (which is easy as shit to ref) to get a lift that is quite possibly the hardest thing to ref ever is stupid.

>>39596990
bench is easier to have strict guidelines for and lets us live within the happy illusion that PL is an actual sport.

>>39596999
I can't bench that much. Powerlifting should really be deadlift, deficit deadlift and paused deadlifts.

>>39596975
The story will go to my grave

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anyone want to give sumo help
i dont know what im doing

these just felt uncomfortable, akward and weaker than conventional
this also seems to be as much as i can externally rotate

they are just wide stance conventional arent they?
should i just forget about them and try to spend the time on fixing conventional instead

got any vids of people starting with shit sumo that actually got good
everyone ive talked to seemed to pretty much lift more right away
seems strange its not the case for me since everyone my size seems to sumo

>>39597014
Powerlifting should be squat, bench, deadlift, overhead press

>>39597017
then fuck off

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>>39597019
and other webm

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People still fall for this bait >>39596990

>>39597027
push your knees out more and keep them out so you can get your hips more into the bar

>>39597019
>they are just wide stance conventional arent they?
yes
actually watch a video on how to do it correctly

>>39597040
noice oc!
have a (you)

>>39597022
>making meets even longer and more boring
lol

>>39597019
dont be a pussy and pull conventional, anyone who's naturally good at deadlifts pulls conventional.

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>shit leadup to competition with tons of stress
>lose 1kg
>right pec hurting, benching crooked in training
>feel pec at 130kg in warmup
>fail 202.5kg in third lift
do you still like me plg? :(

>>39597022
and no sumo

>>39597108
As long as you pull conventional you'll be loved here.

Is there a trip doing anything with RPE here? Pretty sure there's someone here coached by Mike T or something, IIRC.

What happened to lonelyPL?

>>39596999

The entire set up of needing a bench to brace your back against. It's a silly contrivance to support ego lifting.

When, in any sport or life activity outside of this circus are you going to brace your back against a rigid surface with a tight arch and push something away from your chest?

Besides that, OHP would drastically reduce the number of shoulder injuries in powerlifting. It also won't benefit equipped elastic babbies as much as bench press, keeping powerlifting closer to the RAW Masterrace it needs to be to get any credibility outside of powerlifting itself.

>>39597011

No, the clean and press was removed from Olympic weightlifting because it was pretty fucking redundant to have clean and jerk AND clean and press. The "difficulty" in judging was a lame excuse, and a poor one to bring up to defend the bench press. The idiotic, low standards applied to bench press nowadays result in all sorts of stupid wide grip 2 inch ROM "bench pressing," which is exactly the sort of bullshit that keeps powerlifting as niche as tentacle porn.

No non-lifting schmuck is going to see those bench presses and think, "gee, that's goddamn impressive and I want to see more of that." Even actual gymgoers, casual lifters, and other athletes are going to see that shit and thing "gee, that was an 8th of a rep. Seven more and I'll count it for one."

OHP > Bench Press

>>39597082
>>39597122
quality is decreasing tBh, painting is much nicer

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>>39597108
you did the best you could do

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>>39597050
that was as far out i could get them
set after that i tried to get hips in more and i couldnt even break 160 of the ground and it felt like i was going to rip apart
could be a mobility issue, i just dont see it getting better

>>39597063
ive watched how to do it but it doesnt translate well to me actually being able to do it

>>39597104
i do pull conventional
its just ugly as fuck (webm related)
and im not naturally good at deadlifts

>>39597108
>even having to ask

>>39597129
underscore is

>>39597138
Replace everything you said with sumo and I agree man.

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>>39596990
Strict curl will bring powerlifting to the mainstream.

>>39597108
Like who? Sounds like a friend desu

I don't get something, call me stupid but this is a legit question. Why would anyone pull conventional? I understand the concept of being "built" for deadlifts and being good at conventional.... But if you're already built for conventional wouldn't pulling sumo just amplify that effect as it gives you better leverages in addition to your already good genetic leverages?

>>39597108
>do you still like me plg? :(
no

>>39597167
Do we want Pl in the mainstream? Then the football chads would destroy our wilks, Ray Williams is a goat and he would have played foot ball if he was an inch taller.

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>>39597156
>>39597158
ya mean it?
>>39597171
I dont know, its a hypothetical question

>>39597108
I like you! Youre nice

>>39597108
>lose 1kg
congratulations
Nah but you've had a bunch of really good competitions lately(nats, bench-regionals, regionals) now you just have to endure the shit ones that have to come to balance out the good ones.

>>39597158
Alrighty then.

Give me a (you) is you're here underscore. Just gotta double check something.

>>39597108
Of course, you are the best trip.

>>39597129
Mario Insulini, the roidaroo italian

>>39597138
>When, in any sport or life activity outside of this circus
When are you gonna hunt a non-round ball for 5 seconds and then dry-hump a bunch of buff niggers for 5 minutes in real life? When are you gonna hunt a round ball so you can kick it inside a metal construction and fall down on the ground and grab your leg whenever someone comes one meter near you?

>>39597180
>But if you're already built for conventional wouldn't pulling sumo just amplify that effect as it gives you better leverages in addition to your already good genetic leverages?
No. Don't ask me why but it just doesn't work that way.

>>39597180
not in my case
i would love to have a flawless 4 inch rom sumo that people outside powerlifting would laugh at me for and call me a cheater
but the bar says no

>>39597187
>rubs his chadary in our face
>starts attacking our hypothetical friend
enough isley

also at what point did you call it a day on sumo?

>>39597130
He jumped ship when Sean moved to discord and didn't black mail him anymore

>>39597108
No, sorry, I only like Boardshorts now.

But who I like most of all is someone who doesn't come here anymore.

A good friend.

Called bodyoreo

https://youtu.be/BbWBRnDK_AE

YOU'VE GONE OFF THE RAILS

SO DON'T GET ANY IDEAS

THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAPPEN

>>39597291
In a little while.....

I'll beeeee gone......

>>39597108
Always.
>>39597129
Virtus and Underscore.
[spoiler]I do too but I have little experience[/spoiler]

Anybody have any experience running any og the GZCL type programs? Seems intriguing but also like there's very little actual volume in the main movements.

>>39597027
Could try moving your feet in a little bit next time and see how that feels.
To get your knees out more, start rolling and stretching your hams and adductors, and do the Duffin warmups. For adductors, do the frog stretch (try to have your feet wide, rock back and forth) and do the couch stretch for your hip flexors as well.

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tfw patiently waiting for LP to run out.

getting kinda tired of 3x5 but my lifts still seem to go up once or twice a week

>>39597430
Yeah man me too

I'm so bored of getting strong quick

Ughhhh

First meet coming up in a couple months, I'm running Sheiko into it after a full history of SS.. How am I supposed to choose my attempts? Skill test in week 9 is unpeaked so is it all setting an easy opener and gauging on the fly?

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>>39597451
seriously contemplating giving up lifting right now. thanks friend

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>>39596990
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT OHP FUCKIN BULL SHIT FUCK YOU

REEEEEEEËËËË

Should I keep fucking with Quelaag's Furysword? Starting to actually get bored with how effective it is. Never really messed around with the Gargoyl Tail Axe but I think it would be kinda fun to do a playthrough with a spiky dildo.

>>39597460
If it's your first meet, go light on the opener. It's better to go 10 kg too light than 10 kg too heavy. If your max on week 9 is heavy, you can set that as a second attempt on your meet and the opener as ~10 kg lower than that.

>>39597416
i did start off narrower,which seemed wide until i seen the video, but it made it even more conventional
have you seen people get a dramatic change in starting position with stretching, im just not sure if it will be worth my time if i cant get back more vertical

should i not be going as heavy either until i have it down, that was about 72% of conventional

>>39597519
thank you kind friend!

>>39597540
i had to progressively move my stance out further with stretching. also I was weaker originally with sumo but it quickly overtook my conv when I trained it.

>>39597575
could you post any before and afters if you have them?

First time running sheiko. I'm confident I'll get 105% for the 'skills test' as the max I set was a long paused rep (still heaviest squat I've ever done). I didn't particularly realise it was a skills test. Will 105% not always be possible? Should I try go over 105%?

what would you guys ask for as a gift when people ask you what you want? for a birthday

>>39597682
Sure.

A little psychological fact I learnt long ago is that people like you more when they do favours for you.

>>39597682
Nothing, because I'm not a child who wants "pweasants"

>>39597540
Unless your hip morphology don't allow a wider stance, you should notice a change after just rolling your legs and hips and doing a specific warmup.
>dramatic change
I'd say Garrett Blevins has had that, but it didn't happen overnight.
>not go as heavy
I wouldn't max out with that technique, no.
I'd rather stick to submax weights and consider doing them paused. If your conventional technique is better, leave the heaviest work for that.

>>39597612
just looked at some of my old ig stuff and it's really not helpful, although it's nice to have a reminder how much better my form is now.
>>39597689
how to into reading comp

>>39597714
>should notice a change after just rolling your legs and hips and doing a specific warmup.
ill try it next time and see, would you mind having a look at them next time
chances are tho ill say fuck it like has happened in the past
> If your conventional technique is better, leave the heaviest work for that.
oh you mean dont try to switch to sumo completely
warm up sumo? and paused off ground?

>>39597738
thanks anyway lad

>>39597682
Assuming you're into powerlifting as well. Probably something like knee sleeves, earphones or chalk. Something that'll help you at the gym but isn't too expensive. Even something like a nice water bottle

>>39597838
I can try.
I see no reason why you can't do both conventional and sumo. Is there a reason? How often do you deadlift?
I don't want you warming up to conventional with sumo, no.

>>39597158
when are we gonna see a shirtless pic you sexy bastard?

>>39597890
oh so lighter technique sumo on separate day
yeah i could do that

>>39597927
kek
no point
its fucking nothing

>>39597931
Ye, something like that. Tell me what program you're running please.

>>39597977
I'd be fucking something if I were you.

>>39597978
nothing at the minute
run sabres program, coming from a certain injury ive mentioned here, into 2 meets close together and im starting to break apart again in general
so ive been taking it easy at the minute

got any ideas?

actually been thinking about coaching in the near future

https://acrobolix.com/deadlifting-the-jujimufu-way/

>7-12 sets of 3-6 reps at 70%
>always double oh, no straps.
>sets and reps are done by feel: when the reps begin to slow down, that should be your *last* set (i usually hit 8 or 9 sets).
> then, 1 max rep set
>twice a week

anyone else deadlift like this? feels pretty good desu

>>39598032
You deadlift about 3 plate don't you

>>39597927
What's that DnB lad's name again? I lost it.
>>39598011
>Any ideas?
Not really, think you'll be fine.
I think I'd work up to a xRM without too shitty technique and get some volume in at that weight, or drop some % and get volume there. Paused deadlifts either the entire session (but not every session) or just a few sets at the end, at the very least a couple of paused warmup sets.

You'll think of something I reckon.

What coach?

>>39598055
4pl8. what are u insinuating? he does this and pulls 600

>>39598079
at 230lbs, on steroids

not even good

this is a powerlifting thread not a meme instagram people thread

>>39598008
dont make me get my rape whistle out again lad lol
post your sumo btw

>>39598063
ill try something like that
possibly blessings funny enough, have to look into others tho yet

>>39598095
ok tough guy.

>>39598032
>muh high reps
>muh doh
>muh roids
>muh manlet
yeah gl doing this more than a month

>>39598109
Don't forget the Duffin warmup.

Blessings or TSA are probably your best options.

>>39598133
>muh cns

grow up

>>39598155
>Don't forget
got it

>best options.
only issues is moving into rpe since i find everything hard and will probably underrated myself, but ill worry about that later

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>>39598158
>deadlifts 4pl8
>tells other people to grow up

How I feel every time trappy posts on plg

>>39597931
nuckols 28 memes 2 day dl programs include opposite stance work that could help you work on your form while you consider switching.

>>39598079
I love juji but acting like he knows anything about programming is p silly desu

>>39598261
arent they beginner programs tho?
my progression is slow as fuck

>>39598298
both his int and advanced 2days utilize opposite stance work

>>39598332
ill have a look lad

>>39598063
That actually wasn't me

Anyway it's amon Tobin

>>39598453
Put on Bricolage now.
Weird stuff tbH.

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comfy sunday

Hey alex ;3

>>39598524
>>39598644
Not powerlifting related, Haino.

>>39598524
hey trappy did you see my post about penis size?

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>>39598524
Here is a lifting webm top improve your post

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>>39598670

Which one?

>>39598692
>>39593341

Heyo Plg, almost done with Stronglifts 5x5 3 month. Thinking of going over to powerlifting, any recommended programs?

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>>39598703

I can't wear chastity cages tho. I need to tuck in daily life.

>>39598717

lifts and bodyweight?

>>39598717
Nuckols 28free, mix and match according to your wants and needs.

>>39598686
Is there anything wrong with this lift? I'm serious.

>>39598686
i lifted more than that my first day

>>39598729
Dont wanna be bullied
>>39598731
Thanks

>>39598758
>Dont wanna be bullied
some people just aren't eating right and can get more out of LP though

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Can any Sheikofags help me figure out which of the programs on the app I should be doing.

First of all, is this chart correct? I'm 72 kg with a 417 kg total, so I'm CMS? Tha doesn't seem right. According g to the site as well it says I should be doing a volume of 1000, but there aren't any programs that go that high.

Please help

>>39598843
>I'm 72 kg with a 417 kg total, so I'm CMS?
nah you're GDE

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>>39598843

Do you wanna train 3 days per week?
Intermediate high load

Do you wanna train 4 days per week?
Advanced high load

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>>39598851
kek

>>39598871
not the guy but, advanced is like 20 weeks, can i shorten that?

>>39598851
What

>>39597130
Got too shredded

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>>39598887

Yes.
If you're not competing, just do as many prep cycles as you want and a skill test at the end.

If you're competing, remove weeks from the last prep cycle and do the comp cycle.

>>39597398
>very little actual volume in the main movements
I think doing the tier 2 lifts as just more comp movement is pretty common

>>39597638
>Should I try go over 105%?
From a paused squat max? Fuck yeah. In general, also probably yes. Take whatever you think you're good for on that day.

>>39598906
would it make sense to skip the prep cycle III

>>39598938
Skip the first one if anything.

>>39598938
>>39598906
also how big is the difference in volume of intermedialte large load and advanced large load?

>>39598906
Sheiko doesn't have much lat work. Won't that negatively affect the bench press?

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>>39598976
oh boy

>inb4 lats in the bench memes

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>>39597211
(you)

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>>39598976

The medium load programs have more lat accessories.

Lats are almost entirely useless for the bench press, don't worry.

>>39598966

It's one extra day. But the volume per day is kinda similar.

>>39598938

Sure. You can skip any prep cycle, really. See what works best for you.

>>39599028
okay thank you
you know trappy, youre not even that shit

>>39597027
Nice arms bro

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Just curious here, folks. Answer all of the following or don't answer at all:
1) Do lats help the bench press?
2) Do calves help the squat?
3) Are variations of the three lifts smart to include in your training program?
4) Is it ever too early to start programs meant for advanced lifters, i.e. nationally competitive?

>>39599090
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes, if you can still make gains on lower-level programs

https://youtu.be/4P2c_m4iQWc delivered

>>39599090
>1) Do lats help the bench press?
>2) Do calves help the squat?
They are involved, but they don't "help" in the sense that targeting them improves the lifts.

>3) Are variations of the three lifts smart to include in your training program?
Of course.

>4) Is it ever too early to start programs meant for advanced lifters, i.e. nationally competitive?
Yeah but for the most part doing "too advanced" of a program is a meme.

>>39599090
1) In terms of upper back tightness and descent control, yes.
2) I don't know. Probably not unless youre obese af.
3) Yes because weakpoints.
4) Probably not.

>>39599090
>1) Do lats help the bench press?
yes
>2) Do calves help the squat?
yes, even if just for stability
>3) Are variations of the three lifts smart to include in your training program?
yes, the best bench program ever created has only variations
>4) Is it ever too early to start programs meant for advanced lifters, i.e. nationally competitive?
no, but you're cucking yourself by using a program that is meant for people that are more advanced than you because you're forcing yourself into slower progression than you can make. so no, but it's less than ideal

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>>39599090

1) To a very very small extent, in that at the very bottom the lats can theoretically help push the bar for like 2-3cm. In isolation this is true, but in practise this doesn't appear to really happen or be relevant. For the rest of the lift the lats are pretty useless, as any contraction would go against the ROM or make the descent less stable (unless equipped).

2) No, but they do participate with their extra two-jointed muscle functions of energy transfer and stabilization. But I'd say the front muscles like the tibialis anterior are more important.

3) I'd say it's a personal preference thing.

4) Yes but this is way overblown out of proportion, with people saying you can't do sheiko unless you squat 4pl8 and stuff like that. Probably due to Rippetoe's big influence.

>>39599028
That opinion sounds really familiar. So you know haino? He said the exact same thing about lats a while back.

Who would trust that baby bench hobbit though? Ha.

Thanks for clearing things up for us, coach.

>>39599248

Haino said the lats can't help push off the bottom.
Trappy has a more nuanced opinion.

Probably cause Trappy coached Haino, but he didn't absorb all the biomech nerdation that Trappy threw at him.

>>39599180
Then by virtue of being involved (though not a primary mover), surely they are potentially a limiting factor?
>>39599188
Why can the lats help when the calves can not?
Do low-level and high-level lifters have the same needs?
>>39599205
But is progression the only factor to consider when choosing a training program?
>>39599235
The lats cannot help in any other way?
Variations have no other effects than catering to someone's preferred way of training?
Do stats decide which program to run?
>>39599248
Tbf Haino just exclusively reposted Trappy's posts and refuting anything anyone else said.
>t. tried to tell him

>>39599307
>surely they are potentially a limiting factor?

Mmmmnahhh, to the point where "if they didn't exist, it would be a problem," yes, but for any practical purpose, not really.

>>39599235
ZERO!

butt needs to stay on the bench, son

>>39599235
I've heard that the hamstrings ""catch"" the squat. Do you think the lats function similarly in the bench?

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>>39599307

>The lats cannot help in any other way?

Theoretically it can help offset some of the rotation torque at the humerus, but the chest is just much stronger at this.

And help push off the bottom. I've tested this myself, and it is a thing when testing for the lats contraction in isolation on the bench. But when your put in everything else and do a regular rep, this small push from the lats doesn't seem to really happen.
Maybe it's because your body is aware of the distance it would help and that after that it would be antagonist, so it chooses to not have it help at all?

I'm not sure, would need equipment that I do not have to test these things.

The lats also help with core tension, but this is more of a "native" function and doesn't require you to row 160kg

>Variations have no other effects than catering to someone's preferred way of training?

They do. And can help overcome plateaus and improve technique.
But I wouldn't say everyone should do it. Some people prefer to train mostly with the competition movements, and succeed very well.

>Do stats decide which program to run?

I mostly look at training history, time, current progression... But looking at stats and bodyweight can be a quick way to help someone in a hurry.

>>39599353

No, the hamstrings actively work as an agonist during the squat. It's a two-jointed muscle and thus it has some special magical effects (pic related if you wanna know more).

>>39599373
How come a lotta good benchers say to work the lats hard then? Or maybe that's a meme coming from equipped?

>>39599235
what do the lats do in relation to shoulder health

what is the typical reason someone might btfo their rotator cuff (s)

>>39599383
Having strong scapular retraction is important. """The lats""" are less important.

>>39599386
General kekery mostly.

>>39599332
If we avoid that extreme to a small extent - a major difference in pressing:pulling strength would not be problematic? A difference that may have come about from doing just a few pulling sets per week, for instance.
>>39599373
Are you sure you're not thinking about the lats and the bench press in a too narrow perspective?
Variations do not help with longevity?
Should you be in a hurry helping someone when that help may cause them to exceed their MRV for 20 weeks straight?

>>39599386
Drinking whiskey greatly increases risk of shoulder injury.

>>39599423
My man, I did not say that balance was unimportant, just that lat and calf strength were not particularly important for the bench or squat.

First meet.went better than expected. 358 wilks 120 class USAPL.

All lifts except best bench:
https://instagram.com/p/BNni5XhAxDY/
Unironically feverish and booting now. FML

Thank you Plg for always helping and encouraging

>>39599307
>But is progression the only factor to consider when choosing a training program?
depends on the person, but for me, yes pretty much.
I wouldn't do a program that I didn't think I would progress on.

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>>39599456
>plg
>helping
>encouraging

Good job, hope you had fun, etc.

>>39599456
gj james

>>39599456
Also I think your big deadlift hip pain thing is coming from some (slight) hyperextension as you set up. May also be exacerbated by your hyperextendy squat.

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>>39599383

Athletes are not studying and researching biomechanics, they're just lifting heavy and training a bunch.

They will say all sorts of things, even stuff most people know it's a meme.

But yeah the theory is that the whole thing about lats and bench started with equipped.

>>39599386

>what do the lats do in relation to shoulder health

Not sure what you're looking for here specifically. The lats act on the shoulders as adductors, extensors, (weak) transverse extensors, (weak) internal rotators - and on the scapulas as depressors, with a minor contribution to adduction.

>what is the typical reason someone might btfo their rotator cuff

Overuse, bad bar path when benching, weak rotator cuff muscles, etc

>>39599423

>Are you sure you're not thinking about the lats and the bench press in a too narrow perspective?

I've put a lot of time into studying both. These are the conclusions that I came to after months of going back and forth on the research material.

I might be missing something, I don't know everything and I wasn't able to test stuff that I wanted to test because of lack of equipment. So this is just my educated opinion, but it might change in the future, specially if new research on the subject comes up.

>Variations do not help with longevity?

I'd say yes, but as I said, it's my personal preference.

>Should you be in a hurry helping someone when that help may cause them to exceed their MRV for 20 weeks straight?

I've been way more critical of high volume stuff in the past. Just go through some old /routine general/ threads.

But with time, and gaining more IRL coaching experience, and training more people directly, and being surprised by results, I've kind of come around the whole volume issue.

There's still some level of volume/frequency that's stupid, but I just stay away from recommending programs like that entirely.

>>39599456
Got dat five hundo boooii

I love Livia

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>>39599456
fuggin NOICE

>>39599427
Oh well.

>>39599656
Isn't that the same weight class you compete in :)?

>>39599476
I should've said "rate of progression".
>>39599561
Anecdotal evidence from coaches more experienced than you counts for nothing?
Tbf you said you think it's a personal preference thing, implying it's up to each lifter as far as I can tell, but okay.
Weird way of dodging the question. I'm not saying high volume is bad, what I'm saying is that the volume of advanced level programs are generally not suitable for lower level lifters. Yes, the lifters adapt and make gains, but it's not a long-term strategy. It will eventually cause burnout and injuries.

Deficit deads for the second day of cuckols beginner 2x? Not going anywhere near that sumo bullshit again.

>>39599885
If you're really incapable of doing a good sumo dead, fixing that WILL make you a better deadlifter, and vice versa.

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>>39599456
good job
>>39599478
some times people are kinda nice in here (as long as lurking robots are kept in standby mode)
>>39599561
you are a helping fennec fox!

and thats it for me, nn folks, have a great start of the week

Gonna do some light squats, benchpress, and deads tomorrow and take a week off training lads. p excited to go on vacation.

>>39599895
It was fine for a little while, but I ended up snapping my shit and not squatting or deadlifting for 2 and a half weeks, which is just unacceptable Tbh.

>>39597138

if someone has the leverages for a 2 inch rom bench then their deadlift will be awful. powerlifting is a 3 lift sport and there are trade offs to everything

I'm out. Hand-in in less than 7 hours and there's too much stuff left.

>>39599885
It's fine. Could also do SLDLs, snatch-grip, and block pulls.

>>39599726
>I should've said "rate of progression".
my answer wouldn't have been any different

>>39599999
>>39600000

>>39599940
Think I'll do deficits, lends itself to the rep range and all.

>>39599900
Just wanted to say that your bench setup looks really nice.

315 when?

>>39600036

Thanks lad. I dunno, probably quite some time away. Hopefully for my next meet.

I'm more hoping to get my squat and deadlift looking as tight as my bench.

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nn lados

>>39600298
nn

>>39597160

Sumo is also stupid bullshit that dooms powerlifting to be a shitty circus non-sport with ZERO money or credibility until it is removed.

>>39597240

When are you gonna hunt a non-round ball for 5 seconds and then dry-hump a bunch of buff niggers for 5 minutes in real life? When are you gonna hunt a round ball so you can kick it inside a metal construction and fall down on the ground and grab your leg whenever someone comes one meter near you?

When I can make millions of dollars entertaining scrubs by doing it. That is actually the end goal.

Powerlifting is a pretty lame end goal in itself because it's a VERY niche field with next to zero dollars in it, especially for "No Logos" IPF faggotry. But other athletes can have some appreciation for raw powerlifting because it's the purest strength competition there is, and the sort who train for powerlifting know quite a lot about the sort of strength training that would have a high carryover to things like football.

A football player sees someone OHP 300 lbs, or deadlift 700 conventionally, and they're going to respect that. They see some 5'1'' Chinese girl "bench press" lmao2playt with about a half inch of ROM and it's going to be a YouTube joke video.

>>39599922

You realize that if bench press was replaced with OHP, it would still be a three lift "sport," and short arms would still benefit you on the press and hinder you on the deadlift, right?

>>39599478
Hey, thanks guy.

>>39599501
Thanks Conor (I think)! Really too bad you weren't able to go man. I went down with a buddy and we had a really good time. Everyone there was really nice, friendly, and there were some fuck huge and stupid strong dudes.

Afterwards we went to five guys which might have given me food poisoning.

All in all, very happy with the meet.

>>39599512
What makes you say that? Not trying to sound like a dick, actually wondering.

>>39599598
That (aside from not bombing out) was my only real goal for the meet.

I think I might write up a bit about it tomorrow or later when I don't feel as ill, but I had some major fuck ups (e.g. taking my last squat warmup 30-40 seconds before my opener) that thankfully didn't affect me much AFAIK.

>>39599656
Thanks man!
>Doubting my ability to get a 500 squat
>get it
>Underscore gets removed from my "Wall of Hate"

What is the next goal I can't make? :^)

>>39599897
Thanks, bud! It was 100000 times better / more fun that I could have expected.

trappy you up?

I'm getting nose surgery on the 20th

A drill is going to grind away some bone to make my sinus openings bigger among other snasty shit

Hold me lads tell me my gains will be ok

>>39600670
will u be prettier?

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>>39600453
>Sumo is also stupid bullshit that dooms powerlifting to be a shitty circus non-sport with ZERO money or credibility until it is removed.

>>39600670
Just

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>>39600718
nah but I'll be able to breathe

>>39600744
Done coke and it was fun, wouldn't fix the bone issue tho

>>39600759
EVERY

DAY

UNTIL

WE

LIKE

IT

>>39601395
I've always liked it 2bh lad.
Where is sparrow these days anyway? I've been absent for a while

>>39600453
You realise you will never be a professional athlete right? In any sport.

You're desire for a sport to be pro before you do it is moronic. Every pro sport is supported by bigger thousands of amateur players to give it a talent pool.

Competing for anything other than your own enjoyment is autistic.

>>39601404

>You realise you will never be a professional athlete right? In any sport.

I was actually a pro golfer for some years (technically still am, but I don't play because I suck far too bad to make money).

>You're desire for a sport to be pro before you do it is moronic.
>You're

Hee

Also, I don't need it to be professional before I do it. I do powerlifting as a middling amateur. However, every powerlifter SHOULD want powerlifting to grow and be a viable professional sport. It's better for everyone that way.

>Every pro sport is supported by bigger thousands of amateur players to give it a talent pool.

Not incorrect, and has nothing to do with the undeniable fact that OHP (from a rack) would make for a better competition lift than the Ego Press

>>39601658

OHP barely adds to the total and everyone would just lift the same weight.

Meaning the competition would be even more biased towards the squat and deadlift.

Powerlifting is doing fine as is.

What are your guys thoughts on doing one of Trappy-Chan's Texas Method routines vs the 5/3/1 triumvirate (or boring but big) for an intermediate lifter? Specifically one who has been lifting for about 9 months?

>>39601701

5/3/1 is absolute horseshit for powerlifting

TM is alright just focus more on bench and less on OHP.

>>39601723
Sounds good. I'll go with TM. I want to powerlift but with at least some accessories.

What does an advanced powerlifting routine even look like?

>>39601750

absurd amounts of squats, bench and deadlifts at 60-80% intensity followed by an injury the first time u lift heavy.

>>39601750
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1htZVT7ltLYVBSB3Uh9PQKqARitj46IEgihbo3Uu04P0/edit?usp=sharing

>>39601779
Interesting. Thanks for the link.

>>39597356
>>39599013
Mostly in regards to fatigue percents.

Say I hit 305x7 @8, I then just take 5% off the load and keep going 'till I hit 290x7 @8, then that's it, right?

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>>39602090
Are you supposed to say "I'm doing powerlifting" instead of "I'm powerlifting"?

Made the hand-in.
Been up for more than 24 hours. Bowels are dissatisfied with that.
Sleep a few hours, lift in the evening I s'pose.

>>39601905
Yup.
There are several ways you can get to 5% fatigue tho. Repeats and rep drops, for instance. Combinations too, when the % is high. Mike seems to have changed his mind since publishing the RTS manual; when I read it it seemed like load drops were primarily for the intensity weeks. Seems like they're anytime now.

>>39602090
Imma keep this thanks

>>39601723

>TM is alright just focus more on bench and less on OHP.

This. I don't know (or care) what Trappy's program is, but there a fairly bench focused Texas Method For Powerlifting program in Practical Programming 3rd Ed

>>39602090

>When you fail LMAO2PLAYT

>>39602170
I'll wait for feedback from the mentally ill gender confused brazillian hobbit who doesn't compete, thank you very much.

>>39602119
I've just skimmed through it and figured that load drops were the most retard-proof. Thanks man.

I think I read in a review or something that Mike basically dropped entire concepts since the RTS manual.

How much of an upper back round with the deadlift is enough to still be considerd good form? No rounding in the lower back so thats on point

>>39602240
it depends if it stays set or rounds further when load is applied

>>39602240
As long as you can still lockout with no problems it's fine

>>39602249
Might as well just post the vid
https://youtu.be/5spzjWan96U

Ps. I have screws in my spine which also make the rounding bigger cause they pop out through my skin. Im not a convetional deadlift lifter since my right leg is shorter and collapses with bigger loads. Failed the rep cause of grip strenght

Haven't had a solid shit in 36 hours and Im short on sleep lads. Go for it anyway or skip trenning today and take a nap? Probably going to go in anyway.

>>39602276
you just look weak at the lift in general

volume, repetition

>>39602281
Im same minus the poo thing

Going to push training one day

>>39600526
Yeah it's me. Missed the meet for a whopping two calls on my clinical shift, one IV and one cervical collar. I also typically go for Five Guys post-meet and also felt like death the day after I first competed.

Do you think you hyperextend a bit when you pull? I think you are, and we all know you do when you squat, and for me it's usually deadlifting that reveals hip and back tweaks. I'm sure you've watched the Duffin bracing video but it might be work a re-watch.

>>39602291
Okay. Thanks. True thing i layed off deadlifts for a good while to finally get 3 plate squats

bebe w8

Hey guys, quick questions about sheiko. My skill test is coming up this week, and I was wondering if I change my max to reflect the weight that I lift on the skill test. So if I hit 105% on skill test day, and my squat goes from 375-395, do I use 395 going forewords with the program?

Also, would it be okay to do the skill test week, then restart the program using the new maxes, and don't bother doing the mock meet?

Thanks!

>>39602396
If you're just continuing training, up your max over a few weeks. Eg, next week train with a 385 max, maybe two weeks later up to 395. If you have a meet, don't change it.

You could restart the program, yeah. Wouldn't do it more than once or twice back to back though, the volume reduction/peak of the last few weeks will be necessary after a while.

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>>39596990
>>39597014
>>39597022

Sheiko says if PL is ever going to the olympics (unlikely imo) squat will probably have to go.

If sheiko says Push/Pull thats gospel as far as I'm concerned

>>39602554
That would be great

>>39598871
the fuck when does kirill squat ever

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>>39598976
It did tBh

I've barely put anything on my bench the last year. I suggest you bail and run as fast as possible.

>>39602176
that's 2.5pl8, they're red 25kg plates.

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>mfw nearly 300 wilks

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>>39600645

sup senpai

>>39599726

>Anecdotal evidence from coaches more experienced than you counts for nothing?

Counts towards the pool of info that I use to create my own opinion.

>It will eventually cause burnout and injuries

I'd say that depends on which program they're doing, specifically.
Something like Sheiko is specifically built to avoid injuries.

As for burnout, people can burnout even when doing low volume programs. In fact I'd say people are more likely to burn out from doing high intensity constantly than doing high volume.

>>39602396

If you're not competing you can change your max.
If you're competing leave it until after the comp.
If you're not competing you don't need to do the comp cycle. Just testing and restarting is fine.

This is Sheiko's own guidance on the subjects.

>>39603082
>sheiko is specifically built to avoid injuries

Kek this is what my monkey actually believes

>>39603105
>equipped lifting is anything but egolifting cancer
kek this is what the chad actually believes

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Anon which one?

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>>39603122

>>39603118
What's the difference between classic powerlifting and equipped?

What makes one more worthy than the other?

>>39603138
>Difference
Classic is seeing how much you can lift, equipped is seeing how tight you can put your clothes on and seeing how much you can get out of a shirt/suit/etc
>Worth
Classic = how strong are you
Equipped = how strong are you when you get help

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>Its another horrible chest pains at 22 episode

>>39603175
Anxiety, I 99% promise. Probably academic stress.

>>39603167
But equipped is about the interaction between your suit, technique, bodyweight and strength.

Equipped is the more technically demanding flavour. Classic is just what you can mong up.

>>39603228
>But equipped is about the interaction between your suit, technique, bodyweight and strength.
Don't disagree
>Equipped is the more technically demanding flavour.
Again, I don't disagree, but that doesn't automatically make it better.
>Classic is just what you can mong up.
Aka what you can lift with your own strength?

I'm 14 weeks out from a meet, starting a sheiko cycle at 12. Question is what do I do for the next two weeks? I've been fucking around today with front squats (lmao3plate) and slingshot bench but I don't wanna screw up my prep. What do?

>>39603228
>Technique
Many of the people at worlds had shit technique.

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holy fuck someone actually argues that equipped lifting is the superior form of powerlifting

?!?!?!?!

>>39603297
>people still forget raw worlds isnt a decade old

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>>39603292
i have a meet in 9 weeks, this is my prep, not properly peaking, still got 3 weeks of weakness work left, forgot how soon the comp was

the only thing you can do to fuck it up is get injured, so dont go too heavy

>>39603391
Thanks bro. The thing worrying me is over fatiguing myself before starting sheiko which may lead to injury. Granted I won't be maxing out is that even a thing?

>>39603403
Just follow the same format of MWF, squat/dead/squat and do a few manageable submax sets each day, think of it as a break-in period.

>>39603297
Only people who don't think it is haven't tried equipped and brett gibbs

>>39603500
can i SSB squat all the time please, im not right, these feel better than regular squats

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>>39603507
>Can I ssb squat all the time

>>39603500
Because no man with a good head on their shoulders will spend money for a skeleton suit for lifting.

Get the heck out of here

>>39603522
Uhh this is powerlifting general not classic powerlifting general
Get rekt

>>39603522
no man with a good head on his shoulders will put a grand on his back

>>39603507
Yeah I don't see why you shouldn't?

>>39603522
No man with a good head on his shoulders would do powerlifting instead of just keeping fit with a couple of gym sessions a week with a 50/50 split between medium intensity cv work and medium intensity resistance training without high risk movements like arched bench press

>>39603543
see>>39603391

ill probably keep the SSB on monday for the 6x2 for posterior chain work, and regular squats friday so i dont forget the movement for comp

>>39603507
Sure, why not. You don't compete anyway so it doesn't matter.

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Think the gf is gonna leave me?

>>39603543
>arched bench

another thing thats a joke

>>39603566
Sounds like the life bro. Dump that hoe

>>39603566
>she doesnt want a bubble butt bf

sounds like a lesbian

>>39603543
>high risk movements
>arched bench press
No??

>>39603611
>"having your back arched like that isnt safe!"

>>39603566
kek

so umm on gnucks deadlift 2x intermediate how much weight should I be adding each month or cycle or whatever? the spreadsheet seems a bit barebones about it

>>39603611
Well getting to max arch is painful.

T. Someone who's done arch stretches for a year

Those who run or have ran ph3, what hypertrophy work do you do for chest? Cuz the bench workouts are hard enough I feel like doing more dumbbell pressing or whatever would be overkill

Isley benches 147.5kg after 10 years

Let's just stop posting. Let this be the last post ever on plg.

To remind everybody.

>>39603951
Most people don't even bench 100kg after 25 years, lel.

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>>39603940

The only person I know who has done PH3 had his rotator cuff injured at the end of his last cycle.

So... yeah.

>>39604051
Do you think overhead pressing and general back and rear delt work could have prevented such a retarded injury?

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>>39604114

afaik he does all that stuff and still got injured, so idk. It's likely overuse + form degradation through time due to overuse.

>>39604136
Would you describe the person that you are referring to as ""a lat-let autistic alcoholic closeted homoface""

>>39604175
I would

>>39604051
>>39604136
Please stop with the weeb-pics. They add nothing to the discussion and will only fasten the degradation of the general.

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>>39604136
Is this the real trappy? How can I tell if its a real or fake?

>>39604208
idk probably the secure tripcode

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>>39604196

>>39602230
Wish he'd update it.

>>39603082
Yes, but that's not the argument.

>>39604245
Nice pic but semi-avatarfagging is still obnoxious.

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>>39604175

Not sure about latlet but the other things are a precise and accurate description.

>>39604196

They're cute tho.

>>39604245
>t. weeb

>>39603082
>sup senpai
oh! i was wondering if you had known of any way to integrate pressing into Sheiko?

>>39604308
>They're cute tho.
That's why it's annoying. A tripfag who names his trip after his sexual fetish posting a bunch of "cute" pedobait pics with every post.

>>39604341
>his
>his
>fetish
>pedobait

You're just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks aintcha?

>>39604245
things change
move on ffs lad

>>39604365
Tell me how this pic >>39604136 isn't pedobait.

>>39604378
It's the face of an anime catgirl whom's age is undeterminable

>>39604336
Either replace all benching with The Press
Do an lower volume sheiko template for the bench, and add more work for OHP.
Or accept that they're going to cannibalise each other and only do bench on the powerlifiting program.

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>>39604341

>after his sexual fetish

I don't like traps tho

>pedobait pics

But I don't even post loli?
Is now all anime pedobait?

>>39604336

The advanced large load program has incline bench and OHP on the 4th day, alternating. You can skip the incline and just do OHP.

Alternatively, you can do OHP anytime the program asks for deltoid or triceps accessory - which happens often.

anyone get lower back pain with SLDs? friends say back is straight.. I feel it a lot in my hamstrings but my lower back as well. Can't tell if its good soreness or bad pain.

>>39604424
If you can't tell it's probably not bad. Can you feel your back ache the next day?

Is this a hitch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7hQiKHx_lY&t=45

>>39604490
Looks like it to me.

Hey im pretty new to powerlifting.
How much does it take for the average guy to get to 1/2/3/4?
I am pretty average myself, not a skeleton and not overweight

>>39604570

Did it within a week of starting

>>39604570
First time I ever did strenght training, I could do 1/2/3/4 for one rep

>>39604583
never actually lifted a weight and I can already do 1/2/3/4

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>>39604245
>and so on and so on

>>39604598
>>39604583
>>39604570

I actually haven't been born yet.

1/2/3/4 are my working 5x5 sets.

>>39604583
>>39604595
>>39604598
I sure hope you are talking about metric tonnes you fucking plebs

>>39604410
>advanced large load program
that's a funny joke
>you can do OHP anytime the program asks for deltoid or triceps accessory
mm that's a good point. I've been making gains on the int medium so maybe i'll try that out. I only ask because I'm recovering from shoulder troubles and OHP seems to help with recovery.
I think I'll mess around with nuckols until I'm back/past my old numbers and then I'll get back on the Boris train.

>>39604410
if a cute boy got you into the bedroom after a romantic date and it turned out they were actually a girl, how would you react

lmao did you guys know that some trannys like women

whats the point of that

>>39604919
Did you know gender identity and sexual preference are separate concepts?

>>39605000
the concept is so simple and yet...

How long do you guys wait before benching after your last set of heavy squats?

>>39605000
Reminder.

>>39603951
better to talk about his squat m80

>>39605114
Thanks senpai I'll look at it again today

>>39604570
Bout tree fiddy

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>>39605000
>be a tranny who likes women
>snip your dick off so you can't fug them anymore

Can we all just agree to not start a new thread this time?

It's better this way.

>>39605375
No, plg is eternal

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>>39605000

>been waiting for the bench for 35 minutes now
Fucking kill me I'd have finished my workout by now

>>39605399
It's time to move on anon. /plg/ is dead

>>39605484
Why?