The meme is over. I have been a vegan for two years, and can't

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>>39329804

Cost? What about beans and rice is expensive? Unless you're referring to pea protein, which is disgusting and pricey as fuck.

If you want to stay vegetarian at least, all the gains you want can be had with dairy protein and eggs. Don't need meat, it's just convenient and tasty.

>can't stand the cost and the lack of significant gains
that's on you, not the diet

>>39329804

Why the FUCK did you expect significant gains on a vegan diet anyway? I'm sure it's possible but it's a fuckload harder than just eating normie food

>>39329804
But think about the poot animals!

>>39329804
I remain baffled at you dyel cunts with your fucking rice. You know who lives on rice? The most dyel race of all, Asians. Carbs are not an essential food group, brotons and fat are. Eat those fucking egg yolks for gainz, or remain a fuckboy forever.

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>>39329804
>be me
>freshman in college
>not be roommate, mall goth short haired punk hot topic grill
>she and her boyfriend go vegan
>few months in
>ask her how it's going
>has a bf back home
>tells me it's going great
>boyfriend's body completely changed
>he's not as veiny anymore
>he's gone very soft like a grill
>roommate loves her numan
>mfw I like my men hard
>mfw we will never fight over a dude

Richard?

>>39329804
Welcome back to the Land of Light, Truth, Rational Thought, Common Sense, and GAINS, my friend!

>>39330031
LOL, fag. The chronic amino acid deficiency has done it's work on your cognitive processes hasn't it? You can't even think straight anymore! Go eat a nice medium-rare steak a couple times a week, you'll recover and realize how silly you've been.

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>>39330031
The amount of food I'd need for significant growth is outstanding, thus inappropriate to my cause.

>>39330005
Contrary to popular belief, you need variety in your diet. Sticking to strictly "beans and rice" is tricky, as it causes bloating, and both are unbalanced with significant carbs over small amounts of protein for the amount of food ingested.
I have been eating lentils, beans, tofu, spinach, peanuts, as well as various grains to diversify my diet.
However, that is an interesting alternative with the eggs and dairy gimmick, I had not considered that option.
Would it be necessary to my cause, regulatory and overall advised to have a strictly egg and milk-based nutritional diet looking for gains? Not neglecting various greens and vitamin-rich sources.

>>39329804

Go pescetarian faggot. Literally the best diet.

>>39330680
>PITTSBURGH

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>>39330072
That's a great question. It started with the vegetarian meme, and shortly thereafter I wanted to see if I had the willpower and determination to remove all meat sources and their derivatives as well.
Specifically, I got into the vegetable diet because of the health benefits and I knew it could cut some bone into my face, make me more lean, and seem more desirable.

>>39331717

Food affecting growth? Lel, I think I agree with the fasting guy. 6' here and between two poor divorced parents I had to scrounge for food. Goin to good banks and soup kitchens or collecting cans from apartment buildings when my dad fell into bad habits and stayed home.

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>>39331791
Jesus Christ man, are you completely consumed with the details?
Use your fucking head for once in your life.
Growth, as in muscle growth, and gains.
Why the fuck would anyone be concerned with height?
Are you meming me, what is this?
My point still stands on the matter of significant muscle growth on a purely vegan diet.
It's excessive and unnecessary, not to mention pricey and filled with an overabundance of carbs packed into a small amount of protein.
A vegan diet is fine for women, nu-males, hippies and people who are stupid and rich enough to blow away their money.

>>39329804
Be vegetarian, not a vegan my friend.
You still have any kind of natural protein out there.

>>39331740
Unless he lives on the coast it definitely does not fulfill the low price goal due to modest calorie density and high cost by weight.

>>39329804
Go vegetarian or pescatarian, but add eggs and whey protein under all circumstances. Seriously, it's that fucking easy. They're two indispensable sources of nutrition at hilariously low $/gm.

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> he wasted 2 years and countless dollars
Veganism isn't your problem, it's the fact that you're a fucking idiot.

>>39332551
>thinks I'm the idiot
>eats processed garbage
Fucking meming at its finest, my friend.

>>39332574
You didn't deny you're an idiot, so at least you know. The first step to fixing a problem is admitting there is one.

>>39332617
Why do I need to refute the claim of an obviously misinformed individual?

You're just a fucking low-test cuck.
The only idiot here is you, friendo, you projecting piece of meme garbage.

>>39330644

>Carbs are not an essential food group, brotons and fat are.

If you want to use stupid logic, only certain amino acids are essential and only a small amount per day, and only omega-3 and omega-6 fats are essential and their needs are met at under 10g a day between them.

>>39332654
Stop flirting with me, anon, I'm blushing

>>39332678
that's because you're a fag, you ironic fucking deterministic whore.

>>39332693
You're trying to use reverse psychology to trick me into letting you throatfuck yourself with my cock, but it's not gonna work

>>39332730
Stop reading your phallic wet dreams you fucking liberal scum.

>>39332551
>eating soy

Enjoy your bitch tits

>>39331895
A vegan is not fine for women. Carbs are even worse for women than for men. Fatty tissue disregulates hormones. It's because grills are taught that hoovering cupcakes is "cute" that we have a hambeasts with PCOS ("muh genetics" that suddenly changed since the eighties) epidemic.

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>>39332917
It's possible. However, women like sweets because it's a mood stabilizer and satiates particular carnal cravings, however, confectioneries (like cupcakes) have a particular market because women have a propensity for "cute" things that take their mind off their relatively meaningless lives.

>>39332917

>carbs = cupcakes

>>39332824
Why do you not worry about the estrogens found in cow milk?

>>39332917
That has to do more with caloric intake than it does the fact they're eating carbs.

this doesn't need to be a thread

>>39329804
If there's a lack of gains it's cuz you're not in a caloric surplus you stupid fuck

>>39332824
Nah m8 "Soybean isoflavone exposure does not have feminizing effects on men"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106

Estrogen in milk:
After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

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>>39332574
>>39332617
>>39332654
>>39332678
>>39332693
>>39332760

> mfw every vegan I have come across are upper middle class young adults in thier early to 20s.

What gives?

>>39331784
>I got into the vegetable diet because of the health benefits
The health benefits are weakness, cowardice, and not making it.

>>39334225
The lack of real problems in their lives (or any meaning) makes them very succeptable to the Veganism death cult.
On the surface the idea looks solid, after all who doesn't want to end "animal abuse" and "ammoral, needless killing"?

And here's the catch
Due not having any significance in real life they desperately cling to what looks on the surface like a noble cause, thinking that they make a difference and help make the world a better place.
And exactly because of it anybody who dares to speak out against it is labeled "Bad" and "Immoral", and he "Doesn't care about animals". Any positive arguments for it usually revolve around feelings.
Opponents and dissidents are mostly shamed into submission with a combination of the before mentioned bad words, the favorite being "Immoral" as if they know what morality means, while solidifying the good guys outlook of veganism. And this is EXTREMELY effective, because most of the youth of today are woufully unprepared to recognise and deflect shame beased subversion attacks, leaveing them defenceless.
But the worst is, that the whole charade just exists to gain social power and doesn't even work toward the goal that it claims, "helping animals"
Example:
> Sarah Johnes, a 23 year old college student, never had any real rough pathces in her life. Her parents payed for everything and generally supported her, and the most memorable day of the week is Friday, when whe goes out with the girls. Suddenly she is introduced to a new female friend. That friend then starts talking about how she is leading a noble fight for animal rights and agains the evils of big corporations, by not eating animal products. She repeatedly states how noble, good and righteous that is.
Sarah, not knowing anything, takes her words for granted and gradually over the next months start being influenced, slowly becoming a progressivly more involved member of the Cult.
And THEN Sarah turns whoever is fucking her, spreading the problem further.

stop falling for obvious stupidity

you want gains, you eat big and you eat meat

you want to be a girly numale, go ahead and go vegan

there's no science needed in common sense, every one can see the difference between vegans and normal people. why would you do that to yourself?

veganism is a meme, nothing more, stop falling for stupid advice from stupid dyels

>>39330005
>Don't need meat, it's just convenient and tasty.

I could say the same for lots of foods, bad argument.

>>39335400
I've noticed people like this. If you strip away all the "causes" they bleat on about they have absolutely no personality. Basically NPC people. I talked to one for a half hour at halloween and couldn't get a straight answer on things they enjoyed.

>>39331717
Brown rice is shit tier, anyway. No significant source of protein, micronutrients or phytonutrients, accumulates arsenic more than any other plant... It's a poverty staple.
Whole wheat, lentils, buckwheat are comparable in price and much more rich in every single thing.

>>39335400
>>39335712
What the fuck are you two talking about?
What sort of imaginary problems and enemies is your mind making up?
I do eat meat btw.

>>39336116
tl.dr.
Vegans are looking for a problems where none exist, making up a grand cause to support (helping animals), so their life has meaning. Everyone that goesn't agree with them threathen their newly created self-wroth and are seen as an enemy.

>>39335899

dubs of truth
I live in huehueland and poor people eat rice and beans for every single meal (not even complaining, I love rice and beans) and they look like malnourished skellingtons or pot-bellied old ladies.

On the other hand, people that eat lots of meat (with the rice and beans even) look just as full as any regular northern hemisphere western.

It all comes down to animal protein and fat, in my opinion. If you're not eating like the apex predator, your body won't be top of the chain.

>>39329804
Have actually gained about 6-7 lbs of what looks to be mostly lean mass being a vegan for the past 2-3 months or so. Just making sure I get enough calories in and am getting all my macros and micros in.

Honestly it's not expensive at all. My digestion has also gotten better, I take 2-3 big shits a day. Don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

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>>39330005
That pic. Fuckin saved

>>39334225
They have the security to make specific life choices.

>>39332551
nigger lentils are 25% protein, no need to eat processed foods, even as a vegantard

>>39335400
all of that, plus it turns people into leftwing voters.

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>>39335626

>there's no science needed in common sense, every one can see the difference between vegans and normal people. why would you do that to yourself?

The average meat eater is morbidly obese, alcoholic, has tons of medical problems and vitamin/mineral deficiencies. You're trying to compare the best meat eaters you see to the worst vegans you see. There's many unhealthy vegans, but there's many more unhealthy meat eaters. It's down to the individual person's diet and lifestyle.

>>39338327
That's because almost everyone on the planet isn't a vegan. You're intentionally misrepresenting reality to try to give your cult support.

>>39338390

>You're intentionally misrepresenting reality

That's what you're doing. Trying to use the most fit meat eaters to represent all meat eaters and the least fit vegans to represent all vegans, when the reality is that both sides have plenty of good and bad, and it has more to do with what the individual actually eats and how they live.

I've been vegan for a year now, lost zero gains got more lean and vasculair

>pls learn to eat

>>39329804
Canned tomatoes ?

>>39338674
Tomato puree with tomato juice. I throw in some spices and heat it up on the stove and use it as a sauce to go over the shit, so it isn't bland.

>>39335400

yep spot on. It is just a manifestation of slave morality. great post

speaking of supplements, whats the go with vitamin D?

anyway notice decent side effects ?

>>39338712
Isn´t there a fuckton of sugar in it though ?

so much broscience in this thread

>>39338880
Natural sugar? Its not high fructose so i wouldnt worry. Just watch out for salt.

In terms of being a vegan, how would you get your essential amino acids. I know you have to spread it out across a ton of food but is there a chart to see how much you should get per day and where each acid comes from (source)

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>being vegan

>>39338509
No, you're just projecting your butt hurt onto me. I never did either of those things, I just called you out on your BS.

>>39338594
Post body.

>>39338880
Depends on the brand, I get the kind without the added sugar. What naturally occurs shouldn't be an issue.

>>39339603
You gotta eat beans and rice. Legumes mixed with a grain supply more than the necessary amino acids.

>>39340039
So like one bowl of rice and beans and i will be good?

>>39340039
>>39340804
For the day i mean?

>>39340804
I usually try to get a 1:1 ratio on beans plus rice, however quinoa has more protein and less carbs than rice. Again, you need certain fats in your diet, as well vitamins (including iron and others). I typically snack on peanuts throughout the day to fill the void on fats. Not to mention you need leafy greens as well.
You gotta do the math, you typically need 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight if you're an active lifter.

>>39340846
i know about how much food i should eat with considerstion of protein

I actually meant how would i know if i got my daily requirement of essential amino acids? Or do you have to just keep eating complete proteins to get the most out of your gains? I eat a cup of egg whites/day but im not sure if that covers it.

>>39341673
From my understanding, meat and eggs have a complete string of amino acids.
Beans need to be accompanied by a grain to be a complete chain.
As far as how much beans and rice, I have no idea.

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>>39335400
Yeah I noticed that too, your post comes eerily close to a classmate of mine. especially with the cultish undertone.

I suggested that she just become a devout Jain, but then went on to say something about religion being bad and doesn't see herself ascribing to a faith.

Like literally Jainism is THE religion of peace, The more extremist the less they bother you.

They will walk with their head down so they dont tread on insects. They wont eat root vegetables for the risk harming a worm or something.
They wont eat at night because the lights attract insects, or do they eat food more than a day old because of the chance of more microorganisms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism#Practice

>"Oh but they're not vegans"

Im starting to think its almost like a fashion accessory.

>>39335400
Wait so you haven't actually pointed out what is wrong about the claim that eating meat is immoral. I personally wouldn't say that, but the process of obtaining the meat, and factory farming in general is certainly immoral. Bad for the environment and extremely sociopathic

>>39342968
Not the person youre responding to.

People have trouble coming to the fact that some animals are bred for slaughter for our convinience.
We've been doing it ever since the inception of agriculture.

Humans have gotten lazy, we no longer have to hunt animals. With that have slowly lost respect that you have to take life to feed yourself, and for the large part meat is hard to come by without application of skill.

Dont like factory farming? Buy local and improve industry conditions.
Almost all of the reported cases of excessice cruelty come from substandard abbotoirs with minimum wage workers. Vote with your dollar.

Better still, hunt the food yourself it will make you healthier in the process

>>39343936

You didn't answer him though. You just said that it happens, not why it isn't immoral.

>>39340846
Why would you eat rice and not replace it with whole wheat, lentils or buckwheat? All of those have higher protein content, phytonutrient and microelement density.

>2016
>doing a meme diet
>from America
>the fattest country in the history of mankind
One born every minute.

>>39345650
Again, for those who are not paying attention--if you're adhering to a vegan diet, you need a complete protein in order to survive. Mixing beans and rice is the complete bare minimum for survival. However, I agree; diversity is key. Although, rice is cheaper than most other grains, and lentils tend to be the most expensive legume around.

ITT not one non hypocritical justification to needlessly kill

>hurr durr i cant make le gains even tho every nutrient is available to me as a vegan and more often at cheaper costs.

>>39345700
>a philisophical position against needless killing which extends to diet
>meme

When will this meme end

>>39347067
You're fucking delusional, ironic, or both. Either way, you're a faggot. You don't understand basic nutrition; most of what vegans CAN eat are carb-rich foods or deficient in protein in smaller quantities, so either an individual is getting excessive amounts of carbohydrates, or too little protein.

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>vegan not even once

>>39347067
>le you dont need anything but plants meme

try forcing a baby on vegan diet and see what happens

youre not meant to leave purely by plants you are not a herbivore

vegans are degenerate

>>39347087
Wtf, yeah get writing to the WHO, BHF, ADA etc they are all wrong.

Protein, carbs, fats, vits and mins all found within a well planned vegan diet. Youjust cannot get away with this claim anymore...its not the 80's

>>39347088
Even if you sat down and ate that much broccoli and/or sprouts, it's not a complete protein. Even so, perpetuating that sort of diet would be incredibly expensive.

>>39347088
I cant eat more food waaah you have to kill a cow for meeee>>39347102

yes it is safe. Ada etc all state this...

>>39347110
>people only eat one food

Fucking hell /fit/

>>39347103
>being this much of a pompous retard
I never discounted or put down the possibility of being a vegan. I have been one for over 2 years. But, it's just not feasible to manage a healthy, substantial and gainful diet when you're trying to build muscle and train.
Your fucking anti-conservatism bullshit isn't gonna work, brother.

>>39347122
That's not the implication you flaming retard.

It's not feasible for someone to sit around and eat all of that bullshit all day (including all the grains you'd need to complete the amino acid chains). You'd need free time, disposable income and the air-headed nature to attempt it.

>>39347088
>what are hemp seeds
>what is tofu (ib4 estro, mammals are WAY worse)
>what are vegan protein powders

>>39335636
thats not the argument, the argument was that he needed meat so the other guy said he doesnt.

>>39347142
Are you insane...its not even that much food.

Why are you going on that you think you need to eat barrels of rice?

Also you can just get vegan mock meats with better macros...

You are outdated.

>>39347127
Except it isnt hard at all...i have no idea whats so hard about eating some extra veg.

Or just replacing corpses with vegan mocks, beans, tofu, tvp, or lentils...you make it a lot more difficult

>>39347154
> incomplete protein
> incomplete protein
> hideously overpriced

>>39347116
>muh beta nu-male has to justify killing a cow because it has cute eyes

shut the fuck up, vegans are the worst fucking hypocrites in the world

le i can eat my food and look myself in the mirror because i have a clean conscience knowing that cure pig is not getting killed meme

why dont you drink your own piss too? to save the worlds fresh waster reserve, think of all the childring in africa without water? Do you wash yourself with soap, soap is made from dead animals fuckign idiots. Do you shower or flush your toilet with fresh water? there are literally countless things dead animals are used for, there is no such thing as a vegan, only fucking hypocrites

only political correct nu-male feminists needs to justify eating a cow

nature literally intended us to do so, fucking degenerates

>>39347324
not to mention all the fucking fertilizer used for growing crops comes from caged animals

>>39347291
>> incomplete protein
Wrong
>> incomplete protein
Wrong
>> hideously overpriced
Not more than whey
Any more excuses, carnicuck?

>>39347324

>being a good person is a bad thing

>>39348322
>believing you are a good person because of it

kys

>>39347324

You sound like one of those fat girls that hates skinny girls

>>39347102
it's being done. A mother in Pennsylvania got charged for this.

Vegans, would you put your 1 day old baby on a vegan diet? Including, no breast milk.

>>39347689
Show a pic of your body

>>39347102
>>39348767

Even obligate herbivores, atleast mammals, start off drinking breast milk as babies. What point are you trying to make?

>>39341793
>I'm starting to think it's almost like a fashion accessory

Get that critical thinking outta here!

>>39343971
Eating meat isn't inherently immortal. If it were, any organism above the second trophic level would be evil. The immorality comes from the abuse of the animals, which is entirely dependent on the producer. Saying eating meat itself is immoral is a case of guilt by association.

>>39347245
>>39347231
>>39347116

Remember, /fit/, fatties need to eat vegan because any other diet with enough food mass would inflate them to astronomical proportions.

>>39329804
The only meme here is that you are implying that eating vegan costs more than eating meat.

If that is your experience then you must of been a really shit vegan who spent all his money on shitty faux meat rather than whole foods or you live somewhere where beans cost $20 a can

>>39348988

If you're separating the eating of meat with the killing of animals, that makes sense. Actually eating the meat isn't the immoral action, killing the animal so that you can eat the meat is.

>The immorality comes from the abuse of the animals, which is entirely dependent on the producer

Are there currently meat producers that don't kill animals to produce meat? Do mock meats count? I know they're working on lab-grown meat.

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>>39329804
>I have been a vegan for two years, and can't stand the cost and the lack of significant gains

Like clockwork. Easy come, easy go, you people make me laugh. Enjoy adopting a new self-validation routine soon.

>>39349143

Forgot to mention, have been vegan for 10 years and vegetarian for 20. This new "vegancult" that started spreading lately is as transparent as could be, these people adopting and then completely deserting a set of moral principles as soon as it's no longer convenient to them. That is the difference between someone who deeply believes about something and someone who only needs to associate themselves with a group for self-validation.

>>39347088
What's funny is that is a pretty fat cut too. If the fat was trimmed then the protein to calorie ratio would skyrocket and you'd need significantly more veggies to come close to the protein in the meat. Plant sources of protein are so hilariously inferior to animal sources, yet vegans keep trying to shill their delusions that this isn't the case.

>>39347154
>mammals are way worse

Objectively false. Inb4 you post the same tired, debunked study or link to nutritionfacts.

>>39349041
Eating vegan isn't more expensive than eating a normal human diet. Eating a HEALTHY vegan diet with sufficient protein for anybody who isn't sedentary without getting way too many calories is too expensive.

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>>39347088

>vegans get their calories/protein from brussel sprouts and broccoli

Not sure if this is a vegan trying to make meat eaters look stupid, or just a stupid meat eater

>>39347154
>mammals are WAY worse for estrogen
[citation required fag]

>>39349183
I never did it for "moral" reasons, that's as gay as it gets.
I did it because I realized all the horse shit chemicals they were inducing into meat was hurting my body long-term.
I did it to see if I could do it. However, eating like a pussy turns you into one, so I'm moving on. I don't need any validation to wake up in the morning.

>>39349487
>knows nothing
thats because you are a retarded vegan

>>39347689
It's 5 times the price of whey, dude

>>39332052

You're not supposed to eat all of your calories from fish.
My diet is mostly plant based but I eat fish to supplement my dietary needs(b12, dha/epa, iron, iodine etc.)

>>39347324
>YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO RETARDED EXTREMES TO DO ANY GOOD AT ALL WHATSOEVER. THERE'S NO POINT EVEN TRYING THE SLIGHTEST BIT AT HELPING THE WORLD
I'm not vegan but goddamn your argument is fucking stupid.

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>>39329804
>Going vegan ever
>Ancestors ate nothing but meats, grains, nuts, milk, fruit and veggies
>Supplements

Falling for memes this hard Please kys.

>>39330644
LOL the most aesthetic lifters are Asian. 8/8 bait made me reply

>>39349891
Your ancestors also died at most in their mid-forties, I hope you plan on following their trails on that as well.

Memes are eternal.

>>39349534
But dude, unless you only eat organic veggies, pesticides are a thing.

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>>39349954

>>39349891

>using a computer

You disgrace your ancestors. Ban all technology.

>>39349915
LOL not realizing the only reason youre here is because your ancestors linage didnt die off. Eat meat faggot.

>>39331784
so basically that nigger lied to you

>>39348808
answer my other question, faggot. Would you put your 1 day old on a vegan diet?

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>>39349985
Clearly talking about diet. Not technology.
>Having reading comprehension this bad
>Assuming this bad
>Implying this bad
>You

>>39350012

No, I'd put them on a vegetarian diet made of breast milk. Would you feed a 1 day old baby meat?

>>39350014

>I'm being logically inconsistent on purpose
>checkmate!

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>>39350043
>Checkmate!

>>39350000
Which nigger?

>>39349856
youre a fuckign retard

tell me then who is the greater person

a guy who eats meat but donate to charity

or a guy who doesnt eat meat and doesnt donate to charity?

literally the only thing vegans sells themselves for is being a good person

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>>39349988
Keep doing what your "ancestors" did. Start wars with your neighbors over what your witch doctor told you, live in mud huts, wipe your ass with your hands then eat rotten food you gathered from the ground and make sure to die as soon as possible from an undiagnosed illness.

Or in short, be a good nigger and die quickly so you don't pollute this planet any longer. People who fall for historical or naturalistic fallacies should literally be euthanized and their organs donated to more mentally productive members of society.

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>>39350071

John Wayne Gacy used to donate his time to entertain at charity events and fundraisers. That cancels out the murders, right?

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>>39350101
You actually took the time to write all that.

What is autism?

>>39349988
Because they had children in their teens and 20s, you fucking imbecile.

>>39350128
>retarded strawman

deluded vegans dont have any arguments

>>39350027
Not 1 day old. But eventually I would introduce some meat, more importantly a balanced diet.

>>39350027
breast milk from a living human as a baby. As the kid grows, would you let him/her drink milk from a ethically raised cow?

>>39350804

Nope

>ethically raised cow

What's that?

>>39350827
ah yes, the moral dilemma. How do you reconcile the poor working conditions/wages that farmers receive sourcing your vegan diet with your morals?

>>39351173

Do you think I buy my food from slave labor camps where farmers are forced to grow food for their oppressive vegan overlords?

>>39351285
you buy only locally sourced organically raised food from non-factory privately owned farms?

Wow, good for you, guy!

>>39350027
I'd rather give him meat than veggies. Easier to digest and with more bioavailable nutrients.

>>39348956
Whatever gets them an edge in the oppression olympics I guess.

>>39349056
>Actually eating the meat isn't the immoral action, killing the animal so that you can eat the meat is.

But why stop there? there are many cultures that consume insects, its a cheaper way to obtain protein, cheaper to produce and honestly doesn't taste that bad.
If that still doesn't sit well then just go to Northern India and be a Jain

People find it uneasy to come to terms with the fact that consuming a chicken or a steak makes them complicit with the purpose in which the animal was killed.
Because in general your average John and Jane have lost the respect most cultures have, when you have to take a life to feed their family.

If you cannot see killing the animal yourself to eat, then you don't eat meat. If you don't like how livestock are being treated, vote with your dollar.

But to begin asserting that exclusively eating plants is the next step in human evolution and morality would hit its first roadblock outside the city limits where fresh produce, meat and grain isn't conveniently harvested and stacked in shelves.

>I know they're working on lab-grown meat.
I know of a group of vegans who would boycott this because obtaining the original cells would inflict pain on the animal. A schism begins I guess.

>>39335400
>>39338140
these, plus vegans don't realize all the animals that die by traps to keeps them from eating the plants

>>39351285
Where do you source your nuts/seeds?

>>39351510

>Because in general your average John and Jane have lost the respect most cultures have, when you have to take a life to feed their family.

And of course in modern 1st world society, it's not something you have to do. Choosing to kill an animal because you like how they taste isn't really respecting it, is it?

>>39351464

I don't know about privately owned, but my produce is local and organic. If I didn't have access to it, I'd buy whatever is available. What's the moral issue you're bringing up about farmers? It's a cheap manual labor job for unskilled workers, I've done them too.

>>39349534
When a vegan is actually a bro. Though nonorganic produce also has nasty shit too.

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>>39347110

>>39354692
Broccoli contains the eight amino acids, but it doesn't have enough of some of them, so it's an incomplete protein.

>>39354712
Ah I see. I am going to check if the quantity is really insufficient.

>>39354712

>Amino Acid Score: 112

"The eight amino acids." You don't even know what you're talking about.

>>39354747
There are eight.

>>39354767

There's 20 common amino acids and 9 are essential

>>39354795
Only 8 are essential.

>>39354795
>>39354747
memed

>>39354807

>The 9 essential amino acids are histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine.

>>39354583
>And of course in modern 1st world society, it's not something you have to do.

Im a country boy, and its almost part and parcel of country life. Whether its pest management or putting down a sick horse. Almost (all) every vegan practioner ive met through uni are all from upper middle class families who've never really experienced life outside the city bubble.

Which is what I said before in how there is a disconnect between city folk because of the convinince that food comes to them. Im not saying your wrong, but alot of the assertions made by people ive met arent really grounded.

>Choosing to kill an animal because you like how they taste isn't really respecting it, is it?

It isnt even about taste.
Ever had a family of wild boar ruin your crops? Or foxes/wolves that kill your livestock? Even using pesticides.
You gonna build a keep building more fences out of your own pocket? Shoo them away?
This is just to ensure you meet your quota.

>>39355223

That's not what I would call modern 1st world society, but I get you. You don't buy meat, you don't hunt, you don't slaughter animals, you just kill in self-defense when your country farm is under attack. I can understand that. Just like in most circumstances, taking human life would be considered immoral, when it comes to self-defense, even that can be excused. In that case, you must be eating vegetarian most of the time, huh?

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>>39329804
Why vegan and not vegeterian?
>Libs support abortion
>Libs don't eat eggs
I just don't see why eggs and milk are bad even if you're a liberal faggot enough to go vegeterian.

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>>39355844
>you must be eating vegetarian most of the time, huh?

I eat a balanced variety. With lots of snacking on muesli bars and fruits. Meat constitutes about 10-15% but it depends. But it isn't uncommon for me to try vegetarian food every now and again.

For example, I won't let the Boar go to waste, I store the meat and feed the excess to my dogs.
The fox's fur I use to line the inside of the doghouse.

Otherwise I just bury them somewhere some distance away to not attract scavengers. i.e wild dogs and cats (which are a shade of their domestic counterparts)

If someone wants to live life without ever eating meat,or being associated with killing anything, all the power to them. The availability is there in the cities in supermarkets and restaurants to cater to their dietary needs and align to their moral compass.

But they walk a very fine line to assert that problem animals/insects weren't killed or poisoned as part and parcel to ensure sufficient yield of crops to meet demands.

Imagine how the Australians had to deal with the Rat Plague of 1993?

They ate through whole grain silos and ate other farm animals alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOwinLWrEIw

They poisoned millions of them

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I've just taken to saying I follow a plant based diet. People have these preconceived notions in their head that I'm going to lecture them about their food choices.

I honestly don't give a fuck. Nobody is going to go Vegan if you're telling at them.