anyone here /martialArts/?

Judo is fun.

>>39276187
my only reservation about doing martial arts is that How do I know that the guy I'm rolling with doesn't have some disease in his blood or skin like herpies that I'll get form him if he cuts himself or if I get form sweating all over each others skin like homos.

Why don't you pick a non-meme marital art?

>>39276248

Like what?

>>39276242

Are you a faggit? Most people train in mma, not fight. And the chance of getting hiv is like 0.1%. Especially judo

>>39276254
Taekwondo, karate, or wing chun

>>39276263
you've obviously never done BJJ or done light sparring in muy thai.

cuts happen all the time and people sweat and bleed on each other all the time.

>>39276269
Lmao. Taecuckdo is the worst

>>39276280

Im black belt. Cuts are rare.

>>39276315
Depends how strict your dojo is with fingernails. I have a friend who does it and gets gashed up something fierce, you'd think he was a cat-punching vigilante or something.

>>39276187
Judo is great. Id do it in a heartbeat but it's surprisingly hard to find in japan outside of kodokan

Been looking for boxing gyms but most look like the bring your family type

>>39276395
You could just find a jijutsu gym, you'll learn 90% of judo techniques.

Been doing judo for about a year
It's not a strength sport...you have to be agile and quick
>tfw bulking and all this cardio hurts my gains

Only thing I can recommend is that you learn how to fall really well and learn quickly because if you fuck it up I guarantee you'll be out of lifting for weeks
>partner fucked up a tomoe nage
>i pretty much shoulder tackle the mat
>r.i.p right shoulder, microfibre tears to right shoulder
>didn't lift for 6 months

>>39276473
Except with no randori thus making them useless. Or do you mean bjj?

>>39276187
It is bad on the knees.
Long term judo fucks with your joints more then BJJ.
Impacts on mat, even with falls shakes you.

Most old guys become ground work specialist due to this. Judo is legit as a martial art. I still cross train it.


All I suggest is practice your kata way more then your rolling or randori.
When you get old you will understand why.

Also lift weights as this prevents joint injurys.

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>>39276913
JJJ is still useful.
60% of what they teach in BJJ and judo Kata is JJJ.In unarmed fights it fucking sucks ( purely speaking generalized JJJ).

People forget you need years of practice to even attempt to disarm someone.

JJJ teaches you kata that can work.

Well judo teaches skills that focus on killing someone by smashing them into the ground.

Well BJJ is focused on choking someone out.

>>39276187
I did judo for ~7 years
I enjoyed it
In real life it is not too useful but it did help me develop great balance and grip strength
What do you want to know?

>>39277029

How bad on knees?

>>39277149

Just how you got involved and if its fun etc. How hard is it?

>>39277233
not him but I just saw that there was a class available nearby my house so I took it
got into it because I wanted to be a black belt in something

judo is major fun, throwing cunts and choking people is hardcore af
>hiza guruma for life
>perfect squat form for ippon seoi nage so it comes naturally

only hard part about it is the cardio, and if you're a bigger guy this might hinder progress since it really is a cardio sport though strength helps

>>39277233
Got involved looking for a sport to do and saw a flyer on a notice board. Just turned up in shorts and a t shirt and asked if I can try it, they told me they have a learners session and to come and what to come with.
It was slow to start learning the basics, but I enjoyed the challenge to get the techniques right. Once you get to sparing level it becomes a lot more fun. We didn't start really sparing until you knew how to fall and did a small group of techniques correctly, up until then it was just practicing everything on eachother which was still fun but not as fun
I had a very good sensei and I think that mixed with my desire to learn made it quite easy to learn.

>>39277322

What about knees?

>>39277322
>ippon seoi nage
>good throw
fucking easiest throw to block

Boxer here; been crosstraining in martial arts though for the last 9 years.

I trained in BJJ for a little while; one time I got to the class late and had to pair up with this fat smelly retard man child guy. He was rolling in a gi top and a pair of sports shorts.

He smelled like crusty boxer shorts that hadn't been changed for a while; and at some point during the roll he had an erection. I'm not even joking either guys, I was really angry after the class.

I've got a fair few stories from my time training but by far that is the weirdest. I've never met a karate instructor who wasn't an arrogant asshole yet either. I tried karate a few times; earlier this year I tried to leave boxing and take up karate because I wanted to stop getting so much brain trauma; however I was better than the instructors when it came to kumite sparring and they were arrogant as hell. I'm back at boxing again now preparing for a fight in feb.

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>be me
>high school student
>super fatty
>bullied up the ass
>start Tae Kwon Do
>that'llteachthem.jpg
>lose like 40# in 2 yrs
>get super cocky whipping ass on the dojo
>get black belt
>oh shit bruh. I'm unstoppable now
>go to bully
>time to exact my revenge
>challenge to fight
>he accepts
>try to kick bully and he takes me down
>wtf is this shit?!???
>get ass kicked
>Tae Kwon Do never taught me ground game.
>mfw I wasted over two years learning the wrong martial art

>>39277457

Top jej

>>39277413
depends on the circumstances, I've found it's best when uke is setting up for a backwards throw

>>39277398
haven't had knee issues yet, did have some ankle problems though
>when you fall, you're supposed to keep one leg straight and the other bent
>I kept falling so that my sole of my foot (straight leg) would make full contact with the mat
caused me a bunch of pain around the heel and opposite the heel of my feet so make sure you don't half ass it when you learn how to fall

>>39277457
Been there and done that; it made me take a step back and totally re-evaluate my training. I had to learn timing and all the basics basically.

>>39277475
story?

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>>39276269
Nice b8 mate

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>>39277586
I was a moron when I was younger. I spent 2 years training kickboxing and thought I was the shit (I was never really any good I was just scrappy)

I was walking through some woods with friends smoking some weed and some guys asked me for my joint, I told them no and it turned into an arguement.

Me and this guy started fighting, I was bouncing around for the sake of moving (I now realize this was because I had no timing or defense, I didn't know how to stand in front of my opponent and control distance).

I threw a couple of shots that missed, so did he, I tried to throw him down to the ground and we both ended up tumbling down. He had me in a headlock punching my head while I tried to get free. I was on my knees at the time; one of his friends ran over to kick me and I grabbed hold of his jeans or shirt or something and used it to pull myself up.

There was a bit of shouting afterwards and we all went our seperate ways.

I then left kickboxing and started boxing. Without sound arrogant I'm now actually pretty good; I'm one of the top guys down my boxing club and it's been 9 years since I started my martial arts journey; 7 years of which have been spent boxing. I'm still only fighting at amateur but I'm at 9 wins 1 loss.

I've since had a street fight with someone who picked trouble with me outside of a shop; he started the trouble and tried pushing me so I shoved him back, he then tried to hit me so I proceeded to fight back. Once he realized there was no way he could win he decided to go away while telling me he'd knife me and pretending he had a knife down the back of his jeans; I wasn't bothered I was just happy for him to leave. Fighting is for morons and I've got no interest in it now I'm older; I love the sport though. Everything in my life has gone to shit yet boxing is still there for me; all my friends left me, I've had a string of failed relationships however boxing and the guys I train with are always there. Best choice I ever made.

>>39276269
Spoken like someone who has never had a fight or had to apply his bullshit meme martial art against something legit like boxing, mma or Muay thai.

Wing chun is the worst of the 3 you mentioned.

>>39276473
Nope.

I train both judo and jujitsu. Fundamentals may have lots of overlap, but advanced tier stuff is lots different.

I'm wondering.

What's the general opinion on Capoeira?

Practical? Of course not. But it's a hell of a lot of fun and is great for exercise.

>>39277658
Congrats on making it in your own way. Most people are shallow. These days I expect them to be sincere from the start and to know how to say "I'm sorry" and "thank you" sincerely when appropriate, that's all. It's usually a major red flag when they don't and most people are like that. No loss.

With respect to your first fight, would you still try to control distance if it happened again? Wouldn't you go all in and rely on your training to defeat your opponent as quickly as possible?

>>39277718
Fun as dance, but I'd rather take up, well, dance for that. Better music, useful in other contexts.

>>39277732
fair enough, but if you kick niggas in the face while dancing you get in trouble. At least in capo people aren't surprised.

>>39277719
If it happened again? I'd just do what I do now. You fight the way you train; you go into auto pilot in the moment but I've got enough experience now to pace myself rather than blowing myself out in the first few seconds with a barrage of shots.

In the boxing ring I tend to work off my jab; I throw my jab in multiples to control my opponent and I use my footwork to make sure I come off at an angle after I've thrown my shots. I try to be a smart fighter; I'm also good with head movement. The big difference for me was standing my ground in front of my opponent and reacting; whether it's moving my head or my feet to evade attacks. You gotta be close enough to your opponent to launch an attack and you can't do that if you're constantly moving. Check out olympic fencers for example; they're stood in front of each other controlling distance. I do alot of shadowboxing and skipping though.

>>39277718
I've seen some legit uses of capoeira in the ocatagon.

I saw a guy just spam butterfly kicks till he landed one on the guys head and knocked him out.

>>39277794
Yeah its got a couple really good kicks to use and a lotta mobility

Judo is a ton of fun, and since its not a striking MA you get a lot more and more intense sparring, with less risk of brain damage and shit. You can still fuck yourself up, but I'd rather have bad joints at 60 than -40iq, and if you and your opponents know what you're doing its pretty safe.

Judo is a sport primarily, don't go into it expecting to be taught how to fight. You learn how to compete in judo. Like everything, there's some overlap and transferable skills, but you're missing the point if you're doing it for self defense.

Strength is a big advantage but won't replace technique at higher levels.
There are few things more satisfying than perfectly predicting your opponent's next move and flipping him through the air like he weighs 10lbs. Executed correctly, the body mechanics in judo techniques are really incredible to experience.

>>39276269
Wing Chun person here. It's really meme-y unless you know what you're doing. 95% of TKD is McDojo bullshit and sporting, not actual martial arts. I don't know much about Karate.

>>39276187
Do BJJ or wrestling instead. Yes, it will feel gay at first. Get over it.

>>39277786
Interesting. There's probably a good deal of rhythm and mental game to footwork as well.

>>39277805
someone make a webm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTsabfMTgs

>>39277834
It's all angles Bruv; but no wasted movement. Only move when you're evading or resetting; it's the old stick and move thing. You stick and control your distance if you're trying to close the distance to land something; you only "bounce" off at an angle after a combination to get clear and reset. Economy of motion.

I crosstrained in jeet kune do for 3 years too; it was all meme shit though to be honest and boxing did everything better. The only thing I took from JKD was "slip and hit" rather than "slip then hit"; like slipping to the right while throwing your jab to the body; or slipping to the right while throwing a left overhand.

Aside from those techniques though I didn't really take anything from JKD other than a bunch of rubbish meme trapping techniques.

People might think I sound like I'm full of shit because of all the training I've done; but it has to be understood that this is all I have in my life. In all cases I guess I'm cocoon mode; I have no social life and boxing is the only thing I'm good at. I never applied myself to anything else in my life; I have no interest in career or money or anything like that; I was always really lazy and quit early. Literally the only thing I've ever been able to apply myself to was boxing because it interested me. I tried quitting because I was scared of brain trauma; but I got really depressed and went back.

>>39277805

Is bad joints real or a meme? How do i save my knees?

>>39277896
Got videos of your fights?

Why don't you start giving boxing lessons or open your own gym?

>>39277896

So whats your job? Age? Family? Sex life? If you are a comotted boxer you must be ripped so why arent you banging that pucci?

>>39277928
Got videos but no way I'm sharing my personal info on here.

And that long term goal is to help out down my club; theres quite alot of former fighters who do it down my place and I intend to join that scene eventually. Right now though I'm focusing on my own shit and when I get there I'll get there.

>>39277923
The same yoga routines that fix squat form prevents joint injury in judo.

>>39277834
karateka here, you have no idea; anon's right on the money

>>39277923
Its not really that much harder on you than any regular strenuous physical activity is.
Make sure you have good form, stretch well, keep the relevant muscles strong, and if you're getting thrown in sparring/training focus on landing right and not fighting it because that's when injuries happen.

>>39277937
Girls just tend to lead to a bad cycle; the only way to win that game for me personally is not to play it.

And I work 4 on 4 off desk job; one week I work nights and the other week I work days. I'm actually at work right now on a nightshift 6pm - 6am; I ran out of work to do at 8pm though so I've spent the last few hours on here posting shit and browsing youtube. I'm literally bored asf and trying to change career right now.

>>39277102
I had a menkyo kaiden in tenjin shinyo ryu jujutsu tell me there's no point learning JJJ without at least a brown belt in judo because you can't get a true understanding of kuzushi through kata

>>39277457
You probably just went to a mcdojo mate, also you sound like a faggot.

>>39277989

Where do you live?

Go to europe and go to uk sports. Uk is investing lots in sports.

judo is a beautiful but it can get pretty motorically challenging as you get older. also injuries are more often and severe. keep in mind that modern judo is an olympic sport, requires a lot of conditionng, strength and it's very very dynamic. mental strngth is key>>39276187

Anything but taekwondo. Mcdojo'd to hell and back, good luck finding any instructor who will teach you anything useful for combat outside of ATA/ITA whatever competition.

>>39277692
jitsu doesn't actually mean anything, I cant believe people here on forchin continue with that shit even though they're exposed to the japanese language through anime. fuck your jewjitsu fagit

Is 27 too old to start boxing? I'm not looking to start actually getting into amateur/pro stuff, I'm too old, but it's a sport I've always been interested in and seems like a great way of getting into shape.

>>39278006
nidan judo here, true dat m8

>>39278189
Never too old. People where I train have started older and had their first amateur bouts within a year. Throw your jab in multiples and put the work in; you gotta train more than once a week though if you want to actually improve. I go boxing 4 nights a week; at a minimum I'd say 2 times a week.

>>39278282
I'd probably go 2-3 times a week, there's a gym about 5 minutes from where I get off the train after work and it looks like a lot of 1-on-1/small group sessions, no larger than 6. The guy trains most of a pro hockey team too which is kind of neat, but I've talked with him on the phone and he seems to know his shit regardless

>>39278299
As long as you guys do sparring every week it's worth it. If your gym doesn't spar every week then it's no good.

My club spars on a monday and a thursday night; but there theres always guys who are up for sparring after classes usually anyway. Theres classes on every night of the week; some nights it's simply strength and conditioning circut training followed by sparring; other nights it's padwork or bag work. I really enjoy it though and I'm at a point in my life where I don't enjoy going out to bars or anything anymore; my social life consists of going boxing. I've got a good bunch of guys around me down there while my old friends were trying to hold me back with drugs; or hoping I'd fail just so they could feel better about their own pointless lives living to work and get pissed in town on weekends.

Boxing has given me excitement in life.

>>39278351
It's nice to have a passion like that, man.

>>39278351
>If your gym doesn't spar every week then it's no good.
Ooh I should ask. I don't know if they do. Shit, would it matter if I were just starting out?

>>39278362
Girls are just a cycle of suffering; friends let me down; I have no interest in a career, money doesn't equal happiness and material shit is just shallow, I grew out of video games a few years ago and I just can't spark any interest in them.

Literally the only thing in life that brings me any kind of happiness is boxing; if I'm not working toward something in boxing then I'm bored and miserable.

I tried to quit earlier this year due to fear of brain trauma and it sent me to a really bad place; I ended up proper miserable and bored ALL the time because all of a sudden I had loads of free time with nothing to do. I tried to do what normal people do; i tried to go out in town and drink alcohol but I hated it because I felt like I was putting myself to sleep in the matrix; i tried playing some video games but I was bored with every game I tried to play because they just aren't fun anymore.

Boxing is the only way for me to escape the mediocre life of being a wage slave; I've tried settling down and it was too boring for me. I'm too independent and I like to be free to do what I want when I want.

>>39278370
It matters. You don't get any better unless you spar. Hitting pads and hitting a moving opponent are two VASTLY different things.

A year of sparring only would beat a year of padwork/bagwork only.

>>39278402
I will find out. Thank you, friend anon

Sort of related, but does anyone have issues with getting that killer instinct? I'm pretty good but when I spar I have a mental hurdle of popping dudes in the face, I pull punches all the time. Once I get hit once or twice I have no problem punching them, it's almost like I have a subconscious need to get "permission" to start hitting the face.

>>39278408
Best of luck on the path. It was the best choice I ever made and it showed me a side of myself that I like and respect. Some people get hit and they crumble; some people get tired and they quit mentally and just turtle up and take a beating.

I don't do either of those things; I keep going and put it all on the line. I found a strength in myself I didn't know I had. I've seen guys come in who look tough and talk the talk and are more alpha than me; but then when it's come to sparring they've been absolute pussies and they've quit after a few weeks. Anyone can talk the talk but not everyone can walk the walk.

I learned to never quit because I had no choice; I was sick of being a pussy and no matter how bad i got beat up in sparring it could never feel as bad as living as a pussy like I did for the first 18 years of my life. I was willing to take the pain because I had to escape being a weak faggot and i was determined to do it. I remember being hit in the face and flinching and looking away and breaking form/turning my back; now it doesn't phase me. It's not pleasant but my main focus is my opponent and not myself. You're gonna get hit so you can either get hit and lose the chance to counter; or you can get hit and be determined to get them back.

>>39278442
Lack of experience Anon; it'll pass. Throw your jab in multiples and you'll find you improve tenfold. They can't do anything if you've got your fastest punch constantly popping them in the face and blinding them/breaking their posture. Their only option is to circle off and reset. Once i learned how important it is to throw my jab in multiples I improved tenfold; I control my opponents with multiple long jabs. I use my front foot to measure my distance; if my front foot is touching my opponents lead foot chances are my jab can reach without me stepping forward; I stand sideways using my lead foot as a measuring tool.

>>39278465

What do you mean tumour? You should be careful man

>>39278465
Thanks for the advice senpai! I'm doing Muay Thai so the advice doesn't exactly carry over but I appreciate it. I've had some results actively reminding myself that they signed up to spar knowing they'd get hit, no reason to feel bad about it. Maybe I'm just too much of a sweetie :3

>>39276187
Great way to meet chicks

>>39278442
I know what you mean, except I'm even worse. Even when I get hit, I still don't feel comfortable hitting people. The only time I punch someone decently is when I know for certain they're stronger and better than me.

>>39278504
tumour? What? Earlier I mentioned brain trauma if that's what you mean; as in brain damage from being hit in the head too much.

>>39276478
Maybe if you hurt yourself while performing a SELF DEFENSE technique, it's you that sucks, not your friend.

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>>39278520

I think it's a combination of being a beginner and not being a terrible aggressive person. I've improved the more I spar, so I think it's just a mental grind. gotta cultivate that ruthlessness.

>>39278532

Brain Damage is no joke. You should really be careful

>>39278569
I've actually done martial arts for 2-3 years now. I've done countless sparring. I just can't bring myself to hit someone without reservation (again, barring a very tangible skill/strength gap).

>>39278590
It's weird for me. I'm a beginner but I've been at it for a year so i'm not fresh of the boat or anything. When brand new high school kids come in who think they're hot shit and spar at a super high intensity right off the bat I relish the opportunity to go with them. I let him roll for about 60 seconds then for the rest of the round I go all out.

>>39278006
Pretty much.
You have to cross train a sport jujitsu style.

>>39277222
Bad.

Are knees are fucked anyways from age.

Do your squats and deads. And don't spar a lot. You will be fine.

Still it happens from throws.

What is the best martial art that can be learned in dormitory room and gym. We have a punchong bag

>>39276187
I might go check out this BJJ place later today. It's a machado place.

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>>39276306
Taekwon-do is near thai boxing tier when it's ITF instead of that pansy-ass Olympic TKD.

>>39277029
I've been in judo for 15 years and I've seen very few knee injuries in the older guys, I've seen far more shoulder, wrist and finger injuries, and torn hamstrings.

Injury is always a risk, and I'd never recommend kata over randori if you actually want to be able to throw someone. If you don't want to spar a lot, uchi-komi and nage-komi is what you should be doing.

>>39278024
They were before Brexit, don't expect the tories to invest much in anything that doesn't line their own pockets from now on.

>>39276263
Herpes and ringworm is a legitimate risk of grappling

>>39276242
you dont.

thats why you dont do grappling because grappling is fucking gay and take up the sweet science of boxing or similar full contact striking combat sport instead

>>39280215
>invent combat art
>people turn it into sport
>make people score more for kicks because they look nicer
>everybody starts kicking, nobody bothers punching anymore

what a way to fuck up a legitimate fighting style

>>39279821
none. maybe use the bag and ask somebody to teach you how to punch

>>39279821
Anyone?

>>39277457
>Black belt in two years
Confirmed for McDojo

>>39280340
more like
>learning TKD for actual fights

>>39278509
Muay thai fighter here, how the advice dont carry over? in the normal stance jabs are the best thing you can learn to begin.

>>39280352
not him but you dont step with your jabs?

how do you get power?

>>39280215
>>39280306
My dudes. I don't have any faith for competition anymore since retards told me to never use my arm to shield my head during fights, as it looks uncool.
Btw, punching does not make you systematically gain points in battle, so they really made it useless desu.

>>39280363
Well i step whenever i can but when i must do w/o stepping a slight shoulder rotation helps with power. But i'm also a beginner so. Also i dont put much power into jabs unless i'm in south paw

>>39280309
Long story short, you basically can't learn martial arts alone. You need to train with other people if you want to improve. Go check teams and clubs around you instead of using your stuff on your own.

>>39280378
>>39280382

i dont do MT. i do boxing. 2 years so far.

we get told to always step with the jab, even if its a 1 inch shuffle with the front foot. the dropping of the weight adds a lot of power. shoulder rotation is minor in comparison.

i throw power jabs quite a bit. it adds psychological pressure because once they get hit with it, even through guard, it makes them wary of getting within range. plus every strike compromises your defense, so it must have impact if it is to be valuable.
i only ever throw light strikes as part of a combo, mixed in with heavier ones. the philosophy of swarming them does not work once they realize that your punches are weak as fuck.


and im pretty sure MT has blocking techniques. i was doing MT for 2 months before the gym shut down, but i got told to move as if im touching my forehead for front strikes, and as if im brushing my hair for hooks.

plus it makes for eaier transition into clinch

>>39276187
Depends on where you live, but I wouldn't make an absolute decision that it has to be Judo. Instead, decide wheter you want grappling or striking, then examine the gyms near you, and pick the one that has been the most succesful in competitions.

>>39280363
Twist from the hips

>>39280382
Can tell you're a beginner

>>39280425
You are right about the blocks, also thanks for the advice.

>>39280450
such amazing skill anon keep it up

>>39280445
on a jab? really?
then how do you fire off multiples in succession?

just curious because i can fire off power jabs in a row without delay. wondering if you have a different technique..

>>39280467
We where always taught twist from the hips. Whats your fighters stance like?

I wish I could train bjj/judo again. Fell of the motorcycle and hurt my knee real bad. No rolling for me ever again. Why even live ?

>>39280489
uh... normal southpaw stance?

im not squared up or anything,

the way i do it, if im throwing multiple i dont retract fully, instead the stepping in resets me back into neutral and lets me get another off, as long as i need.

>>39280516
Ah different stance we always got taught square up, well some what and generate your power by twisting at the hips and putting your body into it.

Wouldnt have thought you'd have much power without. Can still step but we got taught to throw your punches whilst grounded

>>39280567
ah. thats why.

in boxing the philosophy is that squaring up gives them more targets and easier knockouts to the jaw.

hence the stance is always side on, elbows over knees.

on the plus side it means all my bodyweight is in a near straight line behind my jab and there's more forward/back mobility.

i suppose in MT checking kicks is more important, something that cant be done well side on.

i originally learned proper form from jack dempsys book championship fighting published in 1950s.

you should have a read, great for learning to generate power. he talks a lot about principles of how to generate power. worth looking at.

ive always wanted to take up MT again. but no gyms in my area. any recommended reading? probably find an actual gym soon, but in the meantime..

>>39277457
>mfw I wasted over two years learning the wrong martial art
There is no "wrong" or "right" martial art, merely the one you consistently train in properly, practice, and strive to get better at both in and out of the dojo/gym. Do you waste two years training the wrong martial art or did you just not apply yourself as much as you could have( trained outside to dojo, resistance trained etc.) Assuming you also weren't also mcdojo'd as that can also impede you, however it's not a hole you can't crawl out of

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>>39280818
You're right all martial arts are equal.

#taekwondolivesmatter

>>39276187
>I really want to start judo. Any tips/stories/experience?
Give this a read and make sure to properly vet and visit schools in person
>http://mcdojo-faq.tripod.com/

Anyone here taken on someone from a different style just for the hell of it? i remember being at the end of a bjj class and seeing some guy off the street come in and try and pick a fight with some muay thai guys who were training at the same time as the bjj class. they got up in each others faces before the person manning the counter pulled them apart. a real shame, thought i was gonna see a real live dojo crashing.

>>39276248

Theyre all memes.

>>39280818
disagree, there are some really useless martial arts out there that get billed as being useful. gives people a sense of self confidence, like what this guy is talking about, but at the end of the day, fighting isnt about confidence alone, although its a big part. its just the ability to take the other guy down.
an example, this was during a time when i was taking wing chun (semi waste of time) and only just started boxing.

>fat neckbeard, 230lb, waddles into wing chun class one day
>black belt, 2deadly, etc. etc. in goju ryu karate (apparently he is so good he grades lower students or whatever)
>doing basic blocking drills, something called 4 corners
>one person blocks, other person swings hooks and uppercuts at random (in hindsight, not very practical since nobody trained is stupid enough to throw a lead wide hook)
>gets into his karate stance, because hes comfortable with it
>uh okay...
>throw a light wide right hook
>he blocks fine
>throw it harder
>uh okay... throw a hard wide right hook
>slips through his guard because its weak as fuck
>get him on the ear
>oww why did you do that?
>leaves and never comes back

and this was in wing chun, literally semi contact is as hardcore as they get.

>>39280959
the thing is, MT, boxing, judo, bjj all train at full contact, full intensity. if you half ass it, fine, but the first time you step into the ring for any sort of sparring, you realize how inadequate you are and either quit or train harder.

all other MA dosent have that. you never get beaten, therefore you think your overpowered and hardcore. hence even if you do halfass it, you'll never know.

and i know what i said about judo ttraining at full strength and all, but some shit is ridiculous. went to a class once, they tried to teach me how to wrist lock a guy holding a knife. what the fuck..

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>>39280831
Taekwondo can be great if it's not taught like/you don't train it like mcdojo horseshit
See ITF
Also it doesn't matter what art you train if you also don't resistance train, have no physical strength and have poor technique. MA training won't mean shit if you just half ass it

>>39281043
from wikipedia - ITF sparring section:

Fouls in ITF sparring include heavy contact, attacking a fallen opponent, leg sweeping, holding/grabbing, intentional attack to a target other than allowed (for example below the belt, attacks to the back).[10]

>heavy contact
so essentially its more relaxed point scoring, and you still get discouraged for hitting too hard.

CUT your toe nails real tight and smooth.

>>39281009
>all other MA dosent have that.
Except many do and 'all other MA' is too broad a statement
>fat neckbeard, 230lb, waddles into wing chun class one day
So he was a fatass who either got mcdojo'd, lied, or both and especially didn't take his health or training seriously and you did.
>and i know what i said about judo ttraining at full strength and all, but some shit is ridiculous. went to a class once, they tried to teach me how to wrist lock a guy holding a knife. what the fuck.
Why I said >>39281043
>if it's not taught like/you don't train it like it's mcdojo horseshit

>>39276269
>karate, or wing chun
>>39281009
>and this was in wing chun, literally semi contact is as hardcore as they get.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7td8Hc-V4
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHqlGwLcStA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxplpQIQdEY
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTobujuHQmQ
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fDOt6kck0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrHSbKQ9AHA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSzi3FUhF8E
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZsRy972LJ8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUFDCe0N0xg

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>>39280215
>>39281043
fucking kill yourselves lmfao

>muh martial art complete dogshit when it's taught the RIGHT way!!!

if anyone is in hs/college, join the wrestling club. shits 10x better than bjj or judo unless their doing folk style.

>>39281116
well no. because i only did wing chun because i didnt know any better. the techniques will never work in real life, despite the principles being good.

by then i'd already started training boxing, hence how i knew how to throw a proper hook.

>>39281130
shit tier vs shit tier.

the first guy was too stiff, the second had hundreds of chances to kick out the other guys lead leg, but never does because he is doing a shit tier MA and dosent know how to explot openings.

you never see wing chun guys fight proper kickboxers, MT, or boxers because they get wrecked.

once i learned proper boxing technique, about 6 months in i went back to the wing chun place. beat the crap out of the lead disciple and the 2 guys below him.
i wore gloves and headgear and a vest so they could go full strength, it was to see how well they can hold up under actual circumstances.

i was only limited to my hands too, while they could kick if they wanted to.
one guy took a straight in the face. I didnt even have to feint. had i not pulled on the punch he would have been knocked out. he only ended up with a nose bleed.

another guy caught a rear overhand and turtled for the rest of the round.

wing chun is shit. it teaches good balance as well as awareness, but the actual techniques are not practical unless you are in an enclosed space. even then id trust an uppercut to the solar plexus over chain punches. thats also the reason why footwork in wing chun is so bad. its meant for stability rather than mobility, and hence cant maintain distance if theres room to move around.

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>>39281201
This. Western martial arts are superior in general, even Bruce Lee, a notorious Chinaboo, agreed.

>>39281167
just had a further read of ITF wikipedia page.

do you honestly think you can protect yourself if you are doing something that actively discourages knocking out your opponents?

even in amateur boxing knockouts are allowed, the reason why it dosent happen so often is that once you beat a guy to the point where he cant defend himself, the ref steps in and calls it.

this ITF is a tier above the other weeb MAs, but its still pathetic.

>>39281167
>fucking kill yourselves lmfao
You first connerposter
>muh martial art complete dogshit when it's taught the RIGHT way!!!
Did you want a fedora tip or a (You)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jg7eqiyFwc

>>39276187
>Judo

Prepare for:
>fucked fingers
>fucked toes
>eternally bruised
>possibly fucked knees
>possibly fucked elbows
>training only the right side
>occasionally crushing your nuts

Don't stop lifting.
Invest in tape.
Keep all of your nails short as fuck.
Consider investing in kneepads.
Never underestimate how useful ukemi is.

If you can deal with all of this, it's a great sport.

>>39281350
>7 minute video
>flashy kicks etc etc.
>in the end guy still gets knocked out by a well placed hook

>doing anything other than the sweet science of boxing

>>39281351
my ex-gf was a black belt in judo.
got her knee landed on during a competition.
now all she does are the routines.

i like judo, i have respect for it and see the need for a strong throw/ground game.

but its so dangerous. id rather fight another boxer than attempt to roll. at least all injuries are (mostly) intentional. plus i could just run around and avoid getting hit.

in judo you're too close and there's no telling what can happen

>>39281502
Most injuries are in competitions. Assuming you aren't exactly planning to go pro, the solution is to just let a throw happen, if it is executed well enough. (Meaning to ease on drilling counters and focus on ukemi.)

Judo is among the safest MAs.
When I was talking about knees, I meant long term. I don't know why, but every older Judoka/instructor I know has fucked knees. But obviously it could be just because they are older and it becomes more obvious in stuff like Judo.

As for the benefits:
>muh functional strength
>trains muscles you usually ignore (like abs)
>fun cardio
>mental endurance
>balance
>confidence

Also it's just a fun hobby.

>>39281206
>shit tier vs shit tier.
Those are fairly decent definitely not shit tier

>>39281206
>the techniques will never work in real life, despite the principles being good.
They most certainly worked, were good at some point an stillcan if the art is still around.
>you never see wing chun guys fight proper kickboxers, MT, or boxers because they get wrecked.
Or as I posted ITT, if your're going to to go with the TMA vs. MMA/more modern sport arts debate
>https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/39243319/#39246208
>The UFC/MMA and is not the be all end all of fighting and Kung Fu can be good if it's not treated like mcdojo bullshit
And there are Sanda/Sanshou fighters in the UFC and professional MMA. In amateur I've seen a couple of fighters on YouTube win with kung fu backgrouds. There was a specific guy who fought with Praying Mantis, stance and moves, easily identified as Praying Mantis and all, but I'm having trouble finding it. Another reason why you don't see Kung Fu as much, is because much like other TMA's isn't because they're less effective, merely less conductive to working in a certain environment that suits already practiced combat sports more than MA that don't use similar rules, rings and gloves; such as say Muay Thai. Muay Thai's been practiced in a similar format and with similar rules to MMA rules for far longer, so of course it adapts a better. You can't just slap gloves on a Kung Fu fighter, chance their competition and format rules then expect the fighter to adapt as immediately or as at a higher curve that a Muay Thai fighter would. With time and practice (and more kung fu fighters being present and attempting)however, kung fu can be adapted to MMA, like any other art.
You can't just add gloves, rings and different rules to a fight and expect The Kung Fu/Wing Chun fighter to adapt as well or at a higher curve like a fighter who's practiced with similar rules for a much longer time.
You're also confating "shit" Wing Chun with singular shit school/students. That doesn't automatically make all Wing Chun shit or unpractical.

>>39281201
Do both you insufferable faggot.

I run a uni judo club, and compete in wrestling, Bjj, and judo competitions.

Wrestlers learn good conditioning, and how to stay off of their back. In any situation that doesn't end in a flash pun, they suck. Sure you grabbed my ankle well but you can't defend a sub for shit. Same with throws. There is no complete system, the closest you have is sambo, MMA is too point and sub focused generally. I train wrestling for defense, judo for high velocity takedowns, and Bjj for sub game. Wrestling is more of a sport than judo, good judo schools (mine) still teach the combative, the subs, the takedowns (legs included) and how to do it no gi.

In terms of a complete grappling system, old judo is best, add in striking sambo takes the edge there. Purely sub based it's Bjj (as takedowns don't really matter) and wrestling is great for learning the basics of it all. Don't act like a wrestler us suddenly a grappling god when they operate on a system that has flashpins

>>39281730
Any advice on my workouts?
I'm doing judo twice a week at uni and would like to still work out three times a week.

>>39281730
in any case that you're in a fight, knowing how to take someone down and then controlling them is key. wrestling teaches of the basics you need. i always recommend someone with little martial arts experience to join a wrestling club.

>>39281932
The first three months of any new guy I train for Bjj, judo, or wrestling is functionally the same. Takedown defense, proper sprawls, proper falls, and basic takedowns. If you go to any grappling place and they do not start to teach you these things immediately, leave.

>>39281820
All grappling is essentially just coordinated hip thrusts. Your hips legs and core need to be solid as a fucker. If you have gym access, just start with actual starting strength (with pull ups, dips, power cleans, and extra core work)

If you don't have gym access or your new dojo only has kettlebells (common) just do a basic kB routine for beginners. KBS are great for ma as they train explosiveness and almost every kB movement has hip activation.

If you are already an experienced lifter, post a email I can send the conditioning packet we give to our competitors, which the d1 wrestlers also use.

>>39281217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMLzQD6o4Ts

the judoka even wore a judogi, so it would be easier for the wrestler.

im not saying that judo is better, this is just a example, there are probably more videos of judokas getting wrecked by wrestlers than the other way around.

>>39281970
Thanks, fampai.
I have a gym, but powercleans would be an issue. But I do have a kettlebell at home. They also have sandbags at my gym.

Suggestions on core work exercises? I was thinking decline russian twists.

Any exercises to prevent injury/imbalances?
I have shit knees and shoulders, so I'm worried I'm gonna fuck them up.

Should I work out on off-days? Like: AJBJAxx BJAJBxx?

>>39281971
that's only new judo competitors, old judo (pre 2012) had all leg takedowns as well, anyone who started before this period has the utility of a wrester as well as a modern judoka. Any good school still teaches these takedowns as well. People shit on olympic judo, but fail to realise that as a system it originally contained everything wrestlers do, subs for every joint, and takedowns for every situation. As a teacher and coach, if my students can't compete in any grappling style, I'm not teaching them properly. I make my kids (I have 16 yos to 28 yos) compete in bjj, freestyle, and judo. I expect them to do well, they always do.

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>>39281583
>Judo is among the safest MAs
>I don't know why, but every older Judoka/instructor I know has fucked knees.

>>39281583
I have some friends in the national judo team(not merica) and theyre injured all the time
Brokens fingers,hands a lot of shit

>>39282022
NP homes, shoulder mobility is key as it prevents injury as well as helps avoiding shoulder subs.

Shoulder dislocates are a must to warm up every workout. Just saying you have shit shoulders is a hard thing to fix. As everyone has unique weak points. Overhead press work is hands down the most helpful, and loads of proper kettlebell snatches are also helpful in building that strength as well. Get a resistance band and do flies at every possible angle, with internally and externally rotated scapula, as well as vary your hand rotation as well.

Knees are picky, as lots of takedowns give the person the choice of their knee exploding, or them going slammed. Always get slammed. The major cause of knee injuries is being stubborn, and theres no reason at any practice session to resist a throw so much that you hurt your knees.

Lunges are very overlooked in this regard.
Our packet includes forward lunges, reverse lunges, 45 degree lunges (like shooting a single almost) and horizontal lunges (almost a cossack squat) - all with heavy dumbbells.

The other overlooked exercise is Russian Leans, an excellent stabilizer and hamstring movement that is very helpful. I hold them 3x to failure at the end of every workout.

In terms of core, you need to avoid a swimmers hunch. You will generally be in forward leaning positions, in a traditional wrestlers stance for hours on end. Loads of proper back work, posterior chain work, (THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT) and neck bridge/plank progressions are VITAL to ensuring long term health if you plan on practicing more than 3x a week.

To any martial artist or aspiring one out there, main lift strength is only supplementary. I hit 405 dead, 3335 squat, and 155 ohp at 167, and in terms of athletic strength I am much stronger and explosive now, despite neglecting my deads and squats. Going from a 135-315 squat will improve athletic performance dramatically, but has diminishing returns.

>>39282116
to clarify, I mean diminishing returns after a certain point. The extra 20 lbs on your squat in a % wise is a small increase at 315, and takes much longer to achieve than the same 20 lbs going from 135. A good benchmark for grapplers is 2x bw dead, 1.75bw squat, 1xbw ohp. Bench is worthless. Once you hit those numbers, focus on speed and conditioning.

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Which martial art is easyest on a bad back?

>>39282246
internal martial arts and theyll heal it

>>39282258
Fug that homeopathy hippie taichi bullshit

>>39282274
why even ask or get into martial arts then? Just do your wrestling and weightlifting meathead

BJJ is the ONLY martial art that can beat aikido...

>>39282246
Depends how bad your back really is.

>boxing
Easier to adjust style to compensate for bad back. No chance of being thrown or swept which will fug your back up more.

>karate
Lots of straight punching. Long stance helps take pressure off lower back.


Most things are fine to an extend as long as your back isn't seriously fucked up. Just don't do judo or anything involving you being slammed into the ground on your back.

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>>39276187
Is boxing still a reliable method of fighting me?

Im a coward but I have a kid on the way, so that has to change.

I'm >5'6 if that matters

>>39277457
>expectinf bullies to fight fair
Well, that's your problem

>Getting revenge
What are you, 12? Bullies bully. Move in. Martial arts are for self defense. Not to go out picking fights

>>39282385
Sounds good, thanks!
I will look into boxing.

I started judo last year and was out of lifting and training for ~4-6 months due to shoulder and elbow injuries. I want to continue judo but I don't want to get injured again.

Any advice?

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It's a shame that /asp/ went to shit, isn't it?

>>39282246
What happened to your back, anon?

>>39281201
>Wrestling better than judo
>no armlocks
>no strangles
>same takedowns

You sure?

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>>39282528
I just grew to fast and I had bad pusture a a teenager. Now it's curved in ways it shouldn't be.
>tfw 1,91 meters tall.
>tfw I would be taller if the spine was straight.

I really want to learn how to box but I'm really afraid of brain damage and becoming a retard like 99% of boxers.

>>39282609
Not the guy you were replying to but I have that too.

It even causes one of my shoulders to be noticeably higher than the other unless I consciously compensate and lean for a picture or something.

I dunno if maybe yours is so bad that it causes pain or something though. But personally the only pain I get from it is when I'm laying in bed and NOT doing anything... Even years of boxing and the past 6 month of BJJ haven't caused any issues at all.

Stay sensible though. If it hurts then stop and do something else.

>>39282616
>becoming a retard like 99% of boxers

You're already a retard so you have nothing to worry about.

BJJ is fun as fuck, choking a guy with his own arm is a special sort of thrill

>>39282687
This is exactly the same thing I have. One shoulder is lower than the other and I have to make an effort to compensate it. Otherwise I have no problems, except if I am lying aroud too much.
I am a bit afraid to start lifting heavy. I don't want to fuck it up any further.

>>39280378
a whole martial art for cucks

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>hs wrestling
>section finalist wrestling up at 285 while weighing 208
>only lose because I got rolled and layed on by a tub of lard

>>39282703
>implying I'm wrong

Find me a boxer who can still speak like a normal human being when they are 65 and I'll show you someone who never boxed

>>39282703
>multiple punches straight to the head for years wont cause damage

>>39282423
Try judo. Having a lower center of gravity will favor you.

>>39282520
Take up yoga as well.

Starting BJJ and Wrestling.

What training should I do on the side? From what I've done so far it seems I want strong hips and good endurance

>>39281620
Bullshit and rationalization.

>>39283011
Pick things up and put them down

>>39283011
see >>39282984

>>39283028
Sounds pretty complicated man

>>39282865

>>39282865

What? Lennox Lewis is 51 and is ok.

Floyd will be ok in the future.

Use headgear and fight proper 2x a year or so.

>>39283036
Is that for core strength and/or flexibility?

I already plan on doing stretching sessions most days, and I currently do BW training with planks and shit at the start

>>39283071
Flexibility. Not only to prevent injuries, but to facilitate escape.

Where should I go if I just want to get in some cardio and get to kick and punch shit

>>39283086
Find a Muay Thai place

>>39283082
Cheers man

>2016
> not practising trips on horses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxD9kLx9cHM

>>39283053
>use headgear
Which dies jack shit.
Brain damage comes from rattling the brain. No amount of padding will prevent this.
Best you can do is soft sparring and train slips and dips like a madman.

>>39283783
This reminds me of that karateka who killed a bull with his bare hands just to show off.

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>>39276269
1/10, made me reply.

>>39283783
couldn't that kill him if the horse gets one clean kick?

>>39281332
Knockouts are only discouraged on paper. Wins by knockout are very, very common in ITF. As are hooks and other prohibited techniques. Apart from no kicking under the belt and no grappling, it's pretty much freestyle. Only knockouts by punches are sometimes disqualified, but kicks are always fair game.