Why do artists generally have an aversion to physical activities?

>>39274639
they're dweebs

>>39274639
>"""""artists"""""
You mean losers who whine over the internet by making "cute" and "funny" comics?

I think its more that people with an aversion to physical activity are more likely to be artists, because they spend more time indoors.

Then they use their artwork to illustrate their methods of justifying their laziness by ridiculing those who make them feel insecure.

>>39274639
because they are product of pussyfication culture

pre war even artists did lots of sports.

>>39274639
imagine being so insecure that you had to draw strawman comics like this

>>39274639
Musician
Putting time into practicing an art has faster results that appeal to the practitioner more than phsyical activities.
I'll spend hours composing, practicing unique phrasing, recording, eqing, playing live, etc, and that just eats a lot of my free time after work.
But the final product of that day is more exciting to me than the final product of one day of lifting
Still lift though because want that look and health later in life.
>tfw strong forearms from playing bass and guitars with really thick strings and high action

>>39274779
OP here, I'm an illustrator. My artist colleagues give me dirty looks when I tell them I go to the gym. But the guys at the gym look at me funny when I say I'm an illustrator.

Eh, I'm an artfag and working on losing weight. If it's just about going outside then it's hard to draw stuff outside in hot or cold weather or whatevs. I like to be comfortable when I draw. I feel like art fags tend to be more withdrawn in general and just prefer being inside and left to their own devices. There's always exceptions but still.

I go to art college and it's usually fat chicks and flamboyant gay dudes there. I've honestly never seen a fit person. Maybe not a fatass but not muscular.

>>39274639

>Work as a model for art students in the university
>models working there usually have flabby bodies
>students like working with me, because they can actually see some definition (even though I'm just dyel) and work on their shading skills


Still not many people there that actually work out or train anything, but they appreciate well built body.
But yeah, i Remember some online comic 'artist' that drew a "muscly men drawing guide" that shown a
>low bodyfat body with proper V line
>Fat muscly body
and tried to convince people that thety are
>muscles for show without functional strength attached"
and
>a guy that wrestle bears in the woods

>>39274956
Those were character guidelines

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I'm a writer. Most of my colleagues are disgusting hamplanets and do nothing but give me shit for caring about my body.

A lot of writers think it is somehow rebellious to be slovenly, drunk, and fat like Bukowski.

Unlike Buk, most of them can't write for shit to make up for how disgusting they are.

>mfw I am the only one in my general circle who makes a living off of writing
>mfw when I come up with my best shit while in the gym
>mfw I watch them all fail time and time again

>>39274639

I'm sorry, do you consider that pathetic rendition of a comic strip art? Mediocre people are mediocre at everything don't pay them any attention.

>>39274956
I actually have that picture somewhere on here
>Low bodyfat with impressive v-taper
That was given as an example of a bodybuilder, although unfortunately described as a "gymrat", but the character had pretty sweet arms with very wide shoulders and narrow hips in a gunshow pose and emphasis on lats
>Fat muscly body
Literally looked like Klokov at mid-high teens bodyfat, with still impressive arms that were dwarfed by the tree trunk that was his core. Both bodies actually looked pretty great. The great irony of the examples given is that they fairly accurately represent the difference in bone structures and musculatures between bodybuilders and heavy powerlifters / >strongmen
But there was absolutely zero understand or appreciation of the work and dedication that went into either body. Rustles my jimmies.

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>>39275330
>mfw you use a fat lazy bastard child to demonstrate your mfw

Theatrefag here. I do everything from scenic design and tech work to acting. There's an interesting mix of people in terms of physical abilities there. There are a handful of girls that are hamplanets, but most sit in the skinnyfat range where they do the occasional yoga or cardio session. There's a much larger disparity amongst the men with guys who clearly lift, guys who looks like they would crumble if you put an empty bar on their back, and the chubby-bordering-on-obese guys.

It may be a little different from other arts because there's a larger personal image component that goes with the field, but there are many folks of both genders that buy into the buzzfeed DUDE PIZZA IS LIFE LMAO type shit. Especially with the fatter flaming guys

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>>39275604
Ha!

Shit.

>>39274956
>>39275574

Those are discussing character illustration, retard.
She haaaates that it got sucked into /fit/ shit because the rest of the post, which never gets posted, is talking about what your audience will assume from different body types.
Contain your autism.

>>39276039
>containing autism
>on /fit/
wew

The only thing more worthless than an artist is a writer.
Literally who cares?

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>tfw professional musician
>tfw award winning writer
>tfw just started getting into classical oil painting

I also workout 6 days a week and carry a gun, so I have no fucking friends.

>>39276086

That's actually p. funny though

It's not that they are necessarily related it's just that artists are generally lefties and lefties are generally the "body acceptance" type which means they wont do shit to improve themselves because that's just the way they are

>>39276086
They've figured out the truth behind bulk/cut cycles.

I mostly know illustrators and other seamstresses/prop makers who also draw (but not for money). I would say most of them enjoy jogging, actually, or things like yoga. They don't seem opposed to lifting, but they seem to think that lifting light is the only way you should do it or you will get HYOOG and bulky. My art friends also just seem really busy and are TERRIBLE at managing their time so that's probably why they don't work out. The few that want to lift keep saying they are too out of shape to go to the gym. I think a lot of "artistic types" were bullied, including myself, and some still fear being bullied as an adult.

I am a full time artist though, and I like lifting a lot. I received a lot of positive messages from my art friends and clients when they found out what I look like and that I lift. A lot asked for advice that they never took.

Why is/ fit/ so insistent on bickering with people who have different lifestyles?

>>39276220
Because every other lifestyle is inferior

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>>39276220
Tribalism.

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>>39276218
Anyone have the original? Also tried to google the script and didn't get anything.

>>39276039
>>39275574
>>39274956
Can someone post this pls

>>39276151
Pls be in philly, I'll be your friend

I'm an artist (hobby of course) and I don't. However there are a lot like that. At the same time I do know a decent amount of artists who do go to the gym on a regular basis.

>>39276256
It's from a webcomic called Gaysome.

>>39276220
Why are people with different lifestyles so insistent on projecting about /fit/?

>>39274779
Musician here. I don't lift as much as I should because I would rather focus on my craft. It is also in attempt to avoid injury, as my gigs are more important to me than my gains.

I do stay healthy through, eat fit and cardio commute. Just don't make time for the gym like I do for band practice.

>>39276151
Which city?

>>39275330
What's it like being a writer, is it a stressful or comfy job?

>>39276151
Also, I know that feel. I have the art, music, /lit/, psychoactive things, etc. taste of a hipster but I'm also into paleocon politics, lifting, and guns. I tend to find normies boring and they tend to find me strange, but I end up pissing off every trendy friend group I enter with my bizarre mix of interests.

Feels lonely, man.

>>39276151
Rock the fuck on, I like you.

>>39274639
People limit themselves. I was always a pretty creative/artistic kid, and I was super active/fit as a kiddo, but in middle & high school I started to hate the "dumb jocks" and think I was superior to them. Secretly I wished I was strong, and I finally gave up my bullshit and came to realize I really enjoy physical pursuits in my latter teens.

The artsy types don't think they can be stronk, and the stronk guys don't think they can be artistic/expressive. Don't put yourself in a box, just be honest with yourself and everyone.

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>The blood of your fathers has turned to water in your veins. Not your lot is it to be strong as they were. Having tasted neither life’s sorrows nor it’s joy, like a sickling you look at life through a glass. Your skin will shrivel, your muscles grow weak, tedium will devour your flesh destroying desire. Thought will congeal in your skull and horror will stare at you from the mirror. Overcome yourself, overcome yourself. I tremble, I seethe, I clench, I seize the haul.

Pic related, writer and gold medal olympic weight lifter.

>>39274639
>implying thats art

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>>39276256

>>39276256
found it for you
http://gaysomecomic.tumblr.com/post/46062299329/14-self-confidence

Because art is about feeling
Lifting is about doing

Hence why most artists are politically left wing too

>>39274639

But body builders are artists they are using their own body and muscles as a medium and sculpting themselves

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>>39276497
All I need to feel is the burn, baby.

>>39276086
My dad's pretty buff tho

>>39274639

Ugly artists are such a contradiction. Unless they seek to create beauty in order to generate what they lack?

>>39274639
My gymbro's one of the best artists I've ever seen and took himself from 100 lb highs school twink boy to 180 shredded and resting now at a comfortable 200ish husbando mode. Everybody's different.

>>39274670
Have you ever seen the shit they upvote on the comics section of Reddit? Fucking embarrassing. Can't even call them human desu. Always about some weird insecure bs and terrible jokes.

>>39276605
What is art is subjective.
What is beauty is subjective.
I hereby sentence you to 6 hours of reading Plato.

>>39276260
There's another page I can't seem to find.

http://coelasquid.deviantart.com/art/Abdomination-How-to-draw-beef-132538271

>>39276751

faggot.

you must not have read plato very closely.

art is not objective. artifice isn't a matter of opinion. beauty isn't a matter of opinion.

>>39276751
plato would contend exactly the opposite you dipshit

>>39276605
>Ugly artists are such a contradiction


What? Not really
Not everyone has the capacity for being beautiful but with a brain and skilled hands they have the capacity for creating beauty
And so they do
You sound stupid desu

>>39276751
wow u r smart

>>39276039
The rest of the image is equally retarded.
ex
>Iggy Pop as an example of thick string guy
She hates it got sucked into fitness discussion because it shows how retarded she is.

>>39274670
>>39276690

whatever you think of those artists, are your own opinions.

man, those stereotypical comments hurt me right in the feels though, famalams.

im a multimedia artist, ive been on /pol/ and /fit/ my whole life.

feels bad man

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>>39276039
Take a look at the literal differences in bone structure
>Low bodyfat is just for show!
Maybe true, and in competition shape for actual contenders, definitely, but it implies anything under 10%bf is flashy and useless. We understand she's a normie, but we have limited tolerance.
>>39276260
Here you go.

>>39276809
It says he's rectangular.
Which he was.
It's also from 7 years ago.
I know reading is hard and there's a lot of words, but as I said before, it's discussing different body types of comic characters and what the suggest. Do you know what the word 'archetype' means?
She must have done something right, because she works at a well-known animation studio, while you're posting about bathtub chemicals and dick aesthetics on a Tyrolean cave painting forum.

>>39276317
>Wants to avoid injury
>Never carefully stress-recovery cycles his joints, bones, or muscles
WEW

>>39276862
I'm not repeating myself anymore. I'm done defending a webcomic artist I don't even like. You guys are denser than neutron stars sometimes.

>>39276431
>BASED

>>39276763
This gave me cancer

>>39276086
I laughed

>>39276862
that pic just implies that they never go running and got fat.

>>39276086
>expect stupid comic from generic tumblr art
>it's actually funny
huh.

>>39276882
>>39276882
Teach me sempai

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>>39276763
Jfc that whole thing is making me cringe
>Lbm limits speed and flexibility
>6 packs come from only working some abs, 8 packs are a thing
>Abs come from crunches for days
>ECTO/ENDO/MESOMORPHS
>LIFTING FOR HYPERTROPHY GIVES YOU A BULGY GUT
>
FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEE

>>39277002
>in comics

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>>39276873
>Look at these illiterate lunks!
You espouse her credentials as though the popular appeal of her art makes her intelligent and informed regarding /fit/. Literally the entire discourse is presented as >these are the perceptions about things because that is reality
When a little bit of insight into fitness goes to show that the majority of her knowledge comes from popular wisdom making her as bad as Trump and mom/broscience in that regard.
>She must have done something well
Clearly, and the shit she draws looks cool and both her comics have pretty decent humor and are enjoyable, but that says nothing to counter that normies are retarded, which was our whole point.

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>>39277002
>saving a pepe from tumblr

>>39276431
Holy fuck..

>>39277097
I said before, it's missing an entire page that's like half disclaimer.

>>39276862
>iggy pop

>>39276966
>Implying implications
It implies nothing. It straight out says a bunch of bullshit and memes.

>>39276997
SS - GOMAD

>>39274639
not hard to see through the mirage. People associate hunks with being stupid because thats the only way to reassure their ego that its okay that someone is more alpha or physically attractive then themselves. Ironically, people who work hard to improve their physique or often more intelligent and more successful then their unmotivated counterparts.
tl;dr egotistical

>>39276763
>http://coelasquid.deviantart.com/art/Abdomination-How-to-draw-beef-132538271
> triggered

>>39276472
lol'd

>>39277044
>>39277132
>Disclaimer
Then literally says go look at irl people for this.
>>39277115
Google, actually, since I'm not in the habit of saving real pepe's.

>>39277132
the original image is worse than that snippet

it includes bullshit like
> chest will be smaller on soldiers cause functional hurrrrr
nigga soldiers do so many pushups that our chests have to be big

t. soldier

> you can only get abs through doing crunches, it definitely has nothing to do with your diet

> sprinters are wirey and skinny

and I could go on

>>39276472
>>39276218
Needs an edit with 'starting strength' by rippetoe.

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>>39274639
>be PhD student in physics
>colleague I work closely with loves to bike and run
>supervisor sometimes takes the group hiking
>my gymbro is in the quantum gravity group
>non of them are the slightest obese
>mfw

>>39277234

>has nothing to do with your diet
>implying you can eat at surplus, never cut, become fat, and have abs

nigga pls

>>39276381
I find it hard to find a mix of open minded aesthetically but secularly conservative politically

Theyre stuck in their imagination, they never strive to accomplish anything real and instead focus on the imaginary, thus they resent those who do
t. unfit autist who draws

>>39274639
sorry but not having emotional distance as a man will not get you very far, especially with women.

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>>39277466
Actually it works amazingly well for a detestable jerk I know...

>>39275330
How did you break into that? A friend's cousin is doing that shit and he said it's really hard to get into, but I feel like it's mainly connections.

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>>39277416
Yeah, I'm pretty much the only one I've met.
>mfw

>>39277466
>>39277828
It makes you seem mysterious, attractive, and hard-to-get in the short-term, but they often end up resenting you in the long-term because they find you cold and think you don't care about them, or just because their emotional needs aren't being met.

t. extremely emotionally distant guy with a moderate amount of dating experience

>>39278220
You put it well, my emotionally distant friend.

>>39276431
That reminds me of something I heard from a very fit group of individuals once, they were truly committed and kind of insular.
"When we joined we took an oath."
"According to our stature, all without exception."
"On the blood of our fathers, on the blood, of our sons. We swore to uphold the Swolevenant."
"Even to our dying breath."
"Those who would break this oath are manlets, worthy of neither pity nor mercy! Even now they use our gyms' equipment incorrectly."
"We shall grind them into dust."
"And continue our march to glorious swolevation!"

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read sun and steel

>>39278466
Did they burn the heretics?

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>>39274804

>>39274639
Because everyone wants to feel better than someone else to make themselves less miserable. Someone probably just called him faggy based on little information, and he felt he had to set the record staight. Ironically this is the kind of comic that makes the same kind of assumptions the artists would hate being used against him.

In summary: Idk human were a mistake

>>39274639
Why do athletes generally have an aversion to the arts?

>>39276151
ride on glorious motherfucker

People like that literally excuse their laziness with "Too intelligent to go to gym".

>>39275330
Bukowski couldn't write for shit either

>>39276322
It fluctuates. If I am helping edit someone else's work, which I often do, it can be a very stressful experience. Especially if you are trying to polish a turd. I do freelance editing for extra money, and the complete lack of craft some of these fucks have is exhausting. Working on my own material is always rewarding, even when it is difficult. It is no different from lifting. The discipline is the same.

An example of a demoralizing experience: A few months ago I was contacted by an older man trying to get his first novel out. He was recommended to me by someone I went to school with. I was paid for three passes, meaning I edit back and forth with him three times.

His novel was literally Saving Private Ryan. Seriously. The entire plot of the film was there down to the fact that some characters even had the same names. He acted like he had never even heard of the movie. Money was money though, so I went ahead with it. I gave it my best and provided very thorough feedback, even going to the point of offering to rewrite entire chunks. Every time he sent it back for the next round, it was the exact same rough draft that he had sent me the first time. He clearly wasn't even reading anything I sent back, but he kept claiming he was making changes.

This mother fucker didn't change a single line and I had to waste valuable time reading the same thing over and over again just to see if he had even added a comma anywhere. A month later he had the nerve to get pissed off at me and demand his money back because he was under the impression that I was just going to rewrite the entire book (because that's what he thought editors did). Apparently he was embarrassed when he sent my final pass to a friend of his who is a publisher, thinking it was going to be a polished final copy. Turned out he had sent a manuscript document covered from end to end with notes of my extensive criticism and constant grammar corrections.

His friend told him to fuck off and so did I.

>>39274639
i'm autistic and i love sports. it's pretty much the only thing i love

>>39276778

I would argue the opposite. Anyone (or almost anyone) can create a beautiful body given enough time and dedication. No internal spark of talent is needed for that, it's a matter of biology. And while natural gifts may dictate how long that takes or how difficult it is, it can be done. Creating art, on the other hand, is a talent that can be cultivated. But not everyone can reach the level of being able to produce something beautiful.

>>39279711
wrong, everyone can. may take longer for some, just like the body, but you eventually get there. most people simply don't work hard enough at these things.

>>39277984
It is 100% who you know.

My in was an old professor who helped me get a job as an editor. Went freelance from there and made connections to get my own shit out there.

Connections are easy to make though. Authors are very accessible people and are more than willing to hear someone out who isn't a complete sperg. They don't have the kind of gated infrastructure that a musician or actor would have, where contacting them goes through multiple channels and middlemen. Hell, many of them have their personal emails available, you just have to look for them.

I would also recommend attending conventions. Publishers allow for open solicits and even if nothing comes from it, at least an impression was made. Don't bother with local writing groups. Most of them are just lazy washouts and old hippies who don't plan on going anywhere with their work.

Where you live has more to do with it than you think. I was lucky enough to pull it off while currently living in Tampa, which has made things harder than it would otherwise. You want to be close to other successful writers and publishing houses, which is why I am ditching this garbage dump and moving to Seattle in May.

Like I mentioned in >>39279679 though, it is the same as working out. You really have to want that shit to get anything out of it. Unfortunately, unlike lifting, we are not all going to make it, brah. You need to live and breathe it just to make a dent, and even then you still might be shit.

>>39279635
kys but know that I respect your opinion

>>39274639
people play to their strengths.
weak men develop creativity and intelligence,
strong men develop leadership and masculine dominance.

you should have both.
the creator of the comic is a beta male who is massively jealous of muscular, strong, dominant men. he thinks he's using his intelligence to get a 1 up, but at the end of the day he is encouraging himself to NOT exude masculine qualities, ultimately shooting himself in the foot.

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>>39274639
Well, OP, you posted an "artist", basically some millennial kid with a tumblr who does things for attention and social media likes.

A lot of my drawbuddies from /ic/ are pretty /fit/, and if you seriously do art (8+ hours a day) lifting is a godsend to fix the terrible posture and RSI conditions you'll otherwise develop.

>>39274639
People who market themselves as "artists" are generally people who for whatever reason can't get a more specific title.

Sometimes because they're lazy.

>tfw hired a struggling artist friend of mine to draw a pic for my gf's birthday
>Nothing massive; just a joke between gf and I
>Gave her instructions on what I wanted (a drawing of a plant between a4 and a5 size)
>Asked how much it'd cost and how long it'd take
>"Yeah, I can do it within a few days"
>Still don't know how much it'll cost
>Messaged them on fb with a more specific pic of what I want
>Not seen
>They're both online and posting memes and statuses
>I did almost all the talking, and I'm not totally sure if we even have an agreement or not. She just hasn't responded to anything
>I've got a strict budget for gf's present, and I really need to know what's happening

This same person is always complaining about how stressful her work is, and how people don't want to encourage artists. Icing on the cake is when she was ranting about people not taking artists seriously as professionals.

because they're dyels that pander to dyels

>>39279805
So it goes.
Buddy is the fittest guy I know, trying out for the oly fencing team, drinks beer like water and paints beautiful shit and does interior design.
He's my inspiration, no homo.

>>39279825
working with women is asking for trouble. fucking sad, but true.

>>39275330
I'm hoping to break into writing as more of a hobby for now, but possibly as part time job later in life.

I've started by writing short stories and sending them to literary magazines. I heard back from my first attempt a few days ago, and they said it didn't make the cut. They gave me a list of feedback, though, which on their site they explicitly say not to expect, and it was mostly positive.


Do you think I should keep submitting short stories to magazines for the next few years, or is that a waste of time?

>>39275604
I didn't realize how much I hated Bobby until I was an adult but man he pissed me off.

>>39276891
> You guys are denser than neutron stars sometimes.
go back reddit pls

>>39279679
You really need to learn how to use a computer if you have to actualöy read two texts to find out if and where they differ.

>>39277273
there's like 3 fat people in our chemistry faculty, 2 of them are computational chemists and one is a chemometrics specialist=full time computer jobs. Rest are all if not fit at least decently normal.

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>>39274639
>mfw drawing you /fit/ fags on CBT as daily anatomy practice
you anons are gonna help me m-make it brehs.

>>39280105
SHOW US ANON, PLZ. Let us workship our own bodies.

>>39275330
>implying Bukowski's writings compensate anything

I'm not sure. The same goes for studious people, they are never in shape. I study physics and uni and i'm the only person on the entire course who isn't either tubby or twiggy.

>>39279869
Who did you submit to? If it was a larger mag, that is actually a pretty big deal.

Getting published is getting published and you should never turn down an opportunity at the stage you are at. No one worth listening to is going to look at your history and say, "His first short stories weren't in The Atlantic? He must be shit." I would recommend focusing on smaller magazines. If you are in uni, they certainly have a lit journal. Start there. Anyone can submit. The problem is that just publishing short stories through magazines is no way to make a living and the pay you get stops being worth it unless you have enough to publish a collection. You have to be fairly established to get anything more than a flat fee with magazines.

If a novel or script is something that appeals to you, I would suggest taking the plunge and spending your time on that. Shop it around as much as you can and send out short stories afterwards. Building a relationship with a magazine staff is a great way to get ahead. You will impress the hell out of them if they ask you what else you have and you reply with, "I already have this novel," as opposed to, "I want to write a novel." While they may not be in the business of publishing novels themselves, they know people who do.

This is also a fantastic resource: http://www.pw.org/literary_magazines

>>39279932
I actually did that the last time. I genuinely wasn't expecting such bullshit and made it pretty much all the way through the second go before I bothered to look. Now I do it every time wth everything I am sent.

>>39279788
easier to ridicule the game than to play it and lose.

>>39277273
really? all the physics phd students in my uni have horrendous posture and are withered away from countless hous behind a computer and sleepless nights in the library

why anyone would do a phd is beyond my comprehension

>>39276751
lol, you never read Plato in your life

>>39278568
Mishima was /fit/ as fuck,he loved boi pussy traps and would beat the shit out of them afterwards.

>>39274639
Good artists like Da Vinci like physical activity

My old art teacher was an Aussie who was seriously into art, and he had a great physique from doing rock climbing and surfing etc

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>>39280477
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>>39280105
Literally why I came to this board, I find this guy yesterday

>>39274639
They're stupid and lazy, just look at that terrible art work.

>>39276862
>it implies anything under 10%bf is flashy and useless
Unless you're a marathon runner it is Tbh