You should NEVER train for Strength

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Good goyim.

>>39199467
I know I'm replying to bait.
>Strength athletes fry their CNS frequently.
You are just a dyel weakling,boyo.

Strongman is a Meme. Nobody knows who the top strongmen are except for Thor because he’s on a fucking TV show crushing a man’s head, and after that on TV commercials selling water purifiers and stuff. The only reason he got those opportunities is because he is a bit leaner than a typical strongman, and he’s almost 7ft tall.

For any other guy you would want to train like a bodybuilder with a physique goal like Steve Reeves in mind. Deadlifts are still a good exercise, but once you can do 315 for reps then just do more reps with those, same for squats over 225. Once you can do 20 rep set with either your lower back, core, thighs, and traps are plenty big for any cosmetic purpose and functional strength purpose. Then just cruise at the strength level, maintain that level, and focus on doing higher volumes of more bodybuilder upper body stuff. Pullups or even lat pulls downs, cable rows, direct arm work, and shoulder and chest work.

The idea is to build a Steve Reeves like body. More than strong enough for any realistic purpose, but without uglier muscle groups like Traps and core being over grown.

>>39199467
OP is right tho.

IS THIS A /FIT/ BOARD OR A POWERLIFT BOARD?

If the goal is to get FIT, then an emphasis should be put on anaerobic/cardio exercises along with strength training. Why do you think Aziz fucking blew himself out? Steroids, heavy lifts, little focus on cardio, etc, eventually weakened his heart.

That's not a a fit lifestyle.

>>39199555

Yep, training soley for strength is just as bad as training soley for aesthetics.

In both instances health is tossed out the window.

>>39199467

Halfthor could look even better than the after picture the build he has right now, just by learning to do a proper bodybuilding front relaxed pose.

Flex his lats, lift his delts slightly up and out. Expand his ribcage, and tense up his abs. His delts would look wider, his chest bigger and fuller. His traps wouldn't stand out as much in that pose, and his waist would look tighter.

Its all about posing. Besides he's stronger with huge traps and a strong core.

Train for sports.

Training for aesthetics is the ultimate in empty vanity. Maybe if you're gay and trying to impress men? Trying to impress women comes 100 times faster from just building your confidence and cleaning yourself up otherwise you seem really insecure.

I'm doing MMA and doing SS on the side. Is that fine?

>>39199467
I hate odd numbers, please add another item to the list

>troll meme

I can't take you seriously.

>>39199467
> Going ultra heavy on deadlifts will give you overly big Traps and a very wide waist
I really want this, sick of this tiny gay trapmode waist. Thanks OP, I'll train for strength. I'm a skelly after all, I'll need it.

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>>39199749
>Trying to impress women comes 100 times faster from just building your confidence and cleaning yourself up otherwise you seem really insecure.

Tru
Tru

>>39199467
I'm not even close to 1/2/3/4, I'm like sub 1 pl8 at every lift except diddly. Of course I'm going to train for strength.

>>39199823

Yes, because training for absolute strength won't be possible, due to the MMA training.

All the cardio and flexibility training takes away from the bodies ability to go full tilt strength, which in this case is a good thing.

Also, there is a point of diminished returns for what strength does for a fighter.

If you can DL 315 for comfortable reps, and you can OHP say 185 for reps, the chances are you aren't benefit much from going beyond that.

>>39199467
I didn't, I am lifting relatively low weights and my body is building anyway

>>39199749

So..... training to play a sport, even if you aren't into sports - in an attempt to add moralistic superiority vs. Just training to look better and general health is what?

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V taper seems to be a meme in reality though. I like it in bodybuilding and seeing it on stage but people like Roelly Winklaar look legit without a V taper anyways.I may be a bit biased though because I clearly don't have a v taper in any way.

>>39200336
Plus big ass oversized traps look pretty brolic to me imo

>>39200256

Well to a certain extent the two goals do overlap... BUT once you can DL 3pl8 for 20 reps, and BP 2plate for 20 reps, and OHP 1pl8 for 20 reps, chances are you are strong enough.

At THAT point, THEN only add weight to exercises that target specific parts you wish to build up for cosmetic reasons.

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>>39199749

Exercise requires discipline, increases health, strength, and also helps building confidence, all desirable qualities. Who gives a fuck WHY you lift?

>>39200378
>Exercise requires discipline
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha

>>39200422
Yes, leaving your mom's basement requires discipline.

> look like a greek god
> can't lift for shit

Vs
> can lift heavy shit
> look bear mode

>>39200493

Quit being a low IQ moron who has to put everything into an all or nothing category.

You can lift a decent amount of weight, look great, but not push it past the point if diminished returns.

Strong enough to lift anything you ever really need to, but not try to push for a fucking 700 DL

>>39199467

>implying strength means only deadlifts

>implying doing deadlifts contribute to mass at all

I do strength routines for pull ups and overhead press and it works really good for me

>>39199467

>OP doesn't even lift

Training for strength is the same as training for aesthetics (unless you do moronic 3x15 routines for compounds) only that you prove your 3RM's-1RM every month or so

Unless you are part of the 5% that actually does strength routines like the bulgarian method

In fact it's better to do 3 times as a natural a bodypart with not so much volume than doing 1 time a week with so much volume you fucking injure your tendons

>>39200663

>testing your 1 rep maxes

All of my why unless you are an elite level powerlifter in a competition

It's just ego. Destroying your joints and tendons for ego.

t. guy that has higher dl, bench, squats, ohp, powerclean 1 rep max than 95% of /fit/ posters

>>39200617

Then ur training for aesthetics and using progressive resistance, just avoiding a lift that adds muscle in an unaesthetic way.

>>39200678
Maybe if you learned good technique, you wouldn't destroy your joints and tendons by using heavy weights.

>>39199467

Brown science: the thread

dyel newfag: the OP

>>39199467
>stamina
>vitality
>DnD attributes

Gtfo my hobby you ignorant normie

Traps can never be too big.

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Didn't Mariusz do cardio too?
I feel like he trained for both form and function. At least more than the common strongman anyway.

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>>39201496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Nx-Ds4C3k

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>>39199553
>not wanting giants traps and core
fag

>>39201581
Of course Mariusz did cardio he was a strongman, theres plenty of endurance/HIIT related events
But since hes been king strongman has shifted to a more absolute strength based events in WSM

>>39199555
>zyzz performing heavy lifts

dude was emberdastingly weak

>>39199467
Building your body for health, and strength can be done both at the same time. Do NOT fall for the troll meme of train for aesthetics. It’s dumb.

1). If you train with strength in mind you will get aesthetic anyway. Progressive resistance still matters to building muscle.

2). You will get aesthetic enough for ANY reasonable purpose, even if strength is your goal. No rational human is going to regularly need to look more than a 3/5 pounds. No job description requires it.

3). What the fuck got you into the weight room in the first place? You wanted to LIFT more. FFS. Don’t get goal hijacked into being another overly tatted up fat fucker with a beard rationalized eating like a hippo.

4). Going ultra heavy on deadlifts will give you overly big Traps and a very wide waist. Especially if you do strongman shit. Congrats, your wide waist and overly big traps not make you shaped like a fucking “Bell” and not the “V” you originally wanted
>this is a plus im not even going to fix this.

5). Going ultra heavy also has health benefits. Even if you have strong enough joints and tendons to handle it, you wont fry your CNS after, and over time the heavy weights will increase the thickness of your left ventricle of your heart MORE than even moderate steroid use. Should you roid AND lift ultra heavy then you better bedoing a fuck ton of cardio to offset that. – which brings us to..

6). Lots of big & heavy strength athletes use daily Cialis to improve their high blood pressure, aging can fuck up your ability to get hard. It’s BAD for you.

7). Chosing to train for stength first is like that veteran D&D player who puts ALL of his points into strength and has powerbuilt his character for max dmg.

its 2016 and strength isnt important.
being "strong" and having "practical strength" will come no matter what with lifting, no need to dead 500lb.

Lifting for health and aesthetics is goat and doesn't mean throwing progressive overload to the wind or any bullshit. Just don't waste your time focusing on PR's and lift what you want for the results you want.

>>39200422
it doesnt because this guy laughed when you said it does.

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Hmm... still not convince how dumb oversized traps and wide waists look?

Take a look at Steve Reeves, on the right, now with bigger traps and waist.

>>39202671
why does he lack the upper inner chest? is that genetics or training?

>>39199467
Is 1/2/3/4 considered "strong"? The only people I see lifting numbers like that are obvious roiders apart from one guy who looked pretty dyel in clothes. I've also seen guy who look big and cut and were likely training for physique comps who struggle with 2.5pl8 squat and 3.5pl8 diddly. My original goal was to hit 1/2/3/4 and then move on to aesthetics but its taking me forever I'm progressing slow as fuck at this point, like a few kg per month if I'm lucky on my squat for example, and I'm thinking about cutting it short and getting started on aesthetics now

>>39203536

It is and it isn't.

They aren't particularly huge goals for most people, but the vast majority of gymgoers put very little effort in to things (or just don't do anything you can really compare to it) so even relatively modest results look absurd compared to the average.

And a very large percentage of the people who do put the effort in are taking advantage of chemical help, which changes things significantly.

>>39203524
genes

>>39203536
1/2/3/4 isn't 'strong' in the sense that you are pushing the limits of world records, but it is 'strong' in the sense that you are immediately physically superior to pretty much 95% of the population. The average normie would struggle to deadlift much more than 1 plate, anon, if they could even manage that much.

>>39201612

I want his traps

>>39203536
all of /fit/ got there in 6 months, assuming we are all honest and doesn't need to e-stat to compensate for the low self esteem.

>>39203576
thanks. You see people talking about training for different parts of the same muscle but I guess it comes down to insertions a lot of the time

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>>39199553
>Nobody knows who the top strongmen are
Dunno about Murrica, but in Poland everyone knows who Mariusz Pudzianowski is. Probably most people stopped caring about strongman after he was no longer winning, but still.

>>39203623

It's pretty much entirely insertions. There's a very limited number of situations in which you can train only part of a muscle (and even then, its based on a physical divide between heads of the muscle rather than being able to train chosen bits of one muscle segment).

>>39203609
kek

Well i'm not insecure and i have a gf. I have played sports my entire life and i look pretty good. I'd rather do some barbell hip trusts in the gym for sports than bicep curls to hide my insecurity.

>>39200378
lol do u think u look good?
u are barely out of dyel stage you little fagboi twink kek

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>>39203609
I'm training for almost 3 years and am only at
0,75/1,5/2/2,5
Also ex fatass lanklet and not even trying hard

This thread makes me wonder what people say outside of the gym about me
>heh so what he can deadlift 300kg, bet he cant run a mile
>>he has a <50 min 10k
>heh so what, bet he cant even do a headstand or L-sit

>>39203625
jesus this photo is gay
look at that tat lmao

>>39203588
Bullshit. I forced an untrained woman to DL 1 plate and she did it just fine.

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>>39199467
I want to be strong though. That's the whole fucking point.

>>39203588
Lol healthy average man deadlifts 2pl8 untrained.

>>39203839
most people aren't healthy

>>39203846
anon said average man, not average american

>>39203846
>>39203864
He's got you there. But there's no need to work out when you're carrying an extra 15-100 lbs like the 2/3 of over weight and or obese citizens of the good ol usa. Just walking around is a workout.

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>>39203890
which is why they don't

>>39200336
mirin brah, routine/height?

>>39203839

No they can't

>>39199467
if you will be lifting for the rest of your adult life, there is nothing wrong with going through a serious strength phase. it puts things into perspective for you later, even when you have given up mass for your own personal reasons.

>>39203719
post body

>>39203839
>tfw 15kg shy of lmao2pl8 after 2 months of SS
t-thanks /fit/

>>39199467
so what routine should I do if I'm currently a fatty and end goal is aesthetics? been doing greyskull lp so far

>>39203902
Yeah I know, I was trying to be sarcastic but it doesn't have the same effect as irl. Oh well they can get fatter and we'll get better looking. We're all gonna make it brahs.

>>39202671
>hurr durr let me photoshop the traps while hes spreading his lats

no shit it looks like shit, the human body doesnt work like that.

>>39200378
Man, you look like zyzz

Nice brah

>>39204024
AND the photo is taken from under him

>>39200422
The autism is strong

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>did a bodybuilding routine for 2 years
>recently switched to SS for strength + bulking
>feel like aesthetics is fading, but strength went up

>>39199467
i am 18 and have planed my lifting life as follows
>15-18 meme
>18-27 powerlifting (chasing goals lifting for fun)
>27-32 bodybuilding (in this time i will be lifting for girls as i will control autism and spaggetti)
>32-35 powerlifting again (dad mode strength)
>30-42 boadybuilding (looking to gain more proportions and to be healthy for my kids and aesthetic to get a new wife inb4 marriage/realy what op said)
>42-55 just commercial gym fuck around with my kids with big 3 and cardio.
>55-sideways 8 long life health shit.
sorry for autism

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>tfw your genes were perfect to make you become an aesthetic god without even having to try
>all I have to do is lift and eat

Feels aesthetic brahs

>>39199467
People who do this are just fattys who have no discipline.

>>39199553
/fit/ has been saying this so long it should be a meme
>Do ss until 1/2/3/4 then do ppl or bodybuilding

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>>39200336
Literally my goal body
How long did it take you to get here?
Stats? Routine?

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Training for aesthetics is better for your spine and joints.

>>39204125
kek

>>39199467
> Chosing to train for stength first is like that dumbshit newb D&D player who puts ALL of his points into strength and has none left for Charisma, Dexterity, Vitality and Stamina.

Dude mini-maxing is how you're supposed to play if you want to be fucking optimal.

>>39199467
What if I want to be strong, and don't care about aesthetics, or health?

>>39200300
Some people are into sports?

>>39200371
Why 20, why not 19? Why not 55?

How did you settle on 20 being the one and only absolute universally best number?

>>39200678
Maybe your body is just weak. Maybe what applies to you isn't the universal truth.

Just maybe.

>>39204146
We aren't designed to protect our spine and joints. We're built to use our bodies.

If we don't experience physical adversity we cheat ourselves out of the authentic human experience.

And I think that is more precious, than living a few extra years.

I don't lift anymore (parkour) but I will respond anyway, because I used to, for strength


>1). If you train with cosmetics/aesthetics in mind you will get stronger anyway. Progressive resistance still matters to building muscle.

This is true, it can often be more effective to jack up your strength levels to build muscle, you don't need to go full power lifter or what ever about it but it does help

>2). You will get strong enough for ANY reasonable purpose, even if cosmetics are your goal. No rational human is going to regularly need to deadlift more than a 315 pounds. No job description requires it.

I've been working as a furniture mover for a few years now. When I first came in I struggled a bit even on a 160kg 1RM because most furniture, despite weighing far less than that, is oddly shaped and behaves differently when lifted to a barbell. It wasn't until I hit the 220kg deadlift mark that I started finding furniture breezy. More strength is always better.

3). What the fuck got you into the weight room in the first place? You wanted to LOOK better. FFS. Don’t get goal hijacked into being another overly tatted up fat fucker with a beard rationalized eating like a hippo.

Speak for yourself. I wanted more than just muscle for the looks, yeah I wanted to look strong but what I really wanted was to be able to back it up too because I was tired of feeling like a potential victim at my (at the time) scrawny size, and I'm sure many others agree with me.

4). Going ultra heavy on deadlifts will give you overly big Traps and a very wide waist. Especially if you do strongman shit. Congrats, your wide waist and overly big traps not make you shaped like a fucking “Bell” and not the “V” you originally wanted.

Personally I don't care how my torso is shaped as long as it isn't hour glass klinfelter shaped.

>>cont

>>39204394

5). Going ultra heavy also has no health benefit. Even if you have strong enough joints and tendons to handle it, you STILL fucking fry your CNS after, and over time the heavy weights will increase the thickness of your left ventricle of your heart MORE than even moderate steroid use. Should you roid AND lift ultra heavy then you better be doing a fuck ton of cardio to offset that. – which brings us to..

Yeah you should do cardio.

6). Lots of big & heavy strength athletes use daily Cialis to protect their hearts and from their high blood pressure, as well as help them get erections after they fucking FRIED their CNS with overly heavy weights! Yes lifting ultra heavy can fuck up your ability to get hard. It’s BAD for you.

This is probably not going to be a problem for the average stronk gym rat.

7). Chosing to train for stength first is like that dumbshit newb D&D player who puts ALL of his points into strength and has none left for Charisma, Dexterity, Vitality and Stamina

Strength training requires a minimum of dexterity, vitality and stamina, yes you aren't "balanced", you aren't trying to be. As for charisma, it comes naturally when you are strong

whats the fucking point in looking like you are strong but then you cant lift for shit?
I wanna look strong and BE strong

>>39199823
No, SS is shit, there is good programs for athletes like 5/3/1, WS4SB and Holiday Program by Alwyn Cosgrove.

>>39200371
What the fuck is this shit. :D Are you retarded?
I am going to put on weight untill I can deadlift 250kg, because I dont want to be DYEL fucker like you.

>not training for both
Not gonna make it

>>39200371
>strong enough
Strong enough for what?
What the fuck made you come to the conclusion that those arbitrary weights and arbitrary amount of reps was when you are "strong enough"?

Just lift however the fuck you want, you can bring up lagging body parts for cosmetic reasons while still getting as strong as you can, why would you just stop wanting to get stronger all of a sudden just because you hit a retarded arbitrary weightxrep scheme?

>>39199467
What is the point of putting the same image twice in a new image?

>>39199467
I'M TAKING THE BAIT

> 1). If you train with cosmetics/aesthetics in mind you will get stronger anyway. Progressive resistance still matters to building muscle.

this is correct. This is why most powerlifters run routines with heavy volume and then run a peaking cycle closer to a meet

> 2). You will get strong enough for ANY reasonable purpose, even if cosmetics are your goal. No rational human is going to regularly need to deadlift more than a 315 pounds. No job description requires it.

and being aesthetic will help you instead?

> 3). What the fuck got you into the weight room in the first place? You wanted to LOOK better. FFS. Don’t get goal hijacked into being another overly tatted up fat fucker with a beard rationalized eating like a hippo.

this projecting. Let me guess, everyone here lifts for grills too, right?

> 4). Going ultra heavy on deadlifts will give you overly big Traps and a very wide waist. Especially if you do strongman shit. Congrats, your wide waist and overly big traps not make you shaped like a fucking “Bell” and not the “V” you originally wanted.

> implying bearmode doesn't look good in its own way

> 5). Going ultra heavy also has no health benefit. Even if you have strong enough joints and tendons to handle it, you STILL fucking fry your CNS after, and over time the heavy weights will increase the thickness of your left ventricle of your heart MORE than even moderate steroid use. Should you roid AND lift ultra heavy then you better bedoing a fuck ton of cardio to offset that. – which brings us to..

B-B-B-BROSCIENCE

cardiac hypertrophy is a common side effect of sustained obesity. Don't be a fat-fuck SHW powerfat, do your cardio, and your cardiac health will probably be better

1/2

>>39199467
>>39205703

> 6.) Lots of big & heavy strength athletes use daily Cialis to protect their hearts and from their high blood pressure, as well as help them get erections after they fucking FRIED their CNS with overly heavy weights! Yes lifting ultra heavy can fuck up your ability to get hard. It’s BAD for you.

B-B-B-BROSCIENCE

> 7). Chosing to train for stength first is like that dumbshit newb D&D player who puts ALL of his points into strength and has none left for Charisma, Dexterity, Vitality and Stamina.

and training for aesthetics is putting all your points into charisma for a charisma check that won't work 70% of the time since normies will think you're overcompensating

>>39199467
So what you're saying is I should stop doing SS?

>>39200678
Post your maxes and prove it then tough guy.

Can someone explain what ss and gomad is?

Why are we all fighting, we're all going to make it

>>39207459
SS is a strength lifting routine for beginners
gomad is the practice of drinking a gallon of milk aday to make sure your taking in everything you need to build muscle

>>39207509
I kekd

>>39203536
in a commercial gym, you're probably among the strongest there... goes to show how weak most people are.

All training in the gym and sports were designed for fighting in combat. So...
Who /startinghoplite/ here?

Training for strength makes sense for newbs who are weak as kittens. Building that solid base for more effective accessory and aesthetics work. You don't need to deadlift 1000 lbs to look good and nobody here is a pro powerlifter so it's a moot point anyway.

>>39199467
Vitality? People play 5e master race now fool.

I've lost a lot of weight over the past year and finally started in the gym about a month ago. I'm doing SS right now. Did i get meme'd?

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SS is basically a bum version of a solid FBW program.
>prove me wrong

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Why don't you people just train for the perfect medium, or as close to either as you can?
People like you, OP, who are too weak and maybe failed a PR, claim strength training sucks, because you suck at it and simply because you don't train for it.
People who train for strength say the opposite, bodybuilding sucks and you're a fag, simply because there are other, bigger people who don't lift as heavy.
I don't see why you can't train heavy on the compounds, aiming for strength, and do accessories/isolation work to add size to that.

>>39200336
fuark

goal body

How long did it take? Mostly compound lifts, I'm assuming?

>>39200336
gear lmao.

Compounds should be done for strength, isolations should be done for size.

>>39209478
>natty graham
>accusing others of roiding

wew lad

>>39199467
>tfw deadlift regularly over 5pl8 and still have a slim waist

Ayy lmao

>>39204072
how did you miss the fact that ss is a fucking begginner gains program?

so I should just do curls?


btw, I have even stronger erections and healthier sex drive than when I started lifting