Should I roid?

For how long have you been lifting and plz post current pic

>>39140124
>questions about how I got so big so fast, especially from family

Just tell them you eat a shit ton of chicken. Normies don't know the difference.

>>39140145
I was under the impression that time lifting wasn't important as long as you didn't increase your weights lifted too fast? Although I have about 6 years lifting experience, I came off of a bad sickness and injury so I'm lmao no gains at the moment with only about 4 months solid lifting since I recovered. I'd prefer not to post pic unless it's really necessary.

>>39140167
My mom and brother are too smart to believe that, even if most normies would buy the "hard work and good diet" BS. I would want to just tell them, but I know they'd go all mother hen on me and get annoying real fast.

>>39140124
Ive actually gotten very good tips on how to start from this site and im still hesitant
its like im scared to pull the trigger but i think same as you that it would help
I want it to help me get rid of my tiny arms, feels fucking bad and mostly the energy

Currently going through Uni so might mix tren and ritalin for study gains aswell but my heart will probably give out

monitoring

>>39140232
Looks like we're largely in the same boat then.

I didn't even think of drug interactions, which seems like a colossal oversight. I am on Concerta 27 mg a day, do you guys think that would interact badly with any standard cycle drugs?

>>39140124

How can a guy with such narrow clavicles live with himself. No matter his accomplishmemts or even cock size... his lack of shoulder width will always be his shame...

How come you don't just lift natty?

Is it not working out for you?

>>39140436
Not OP but the low energy thing is a real problem and lifts arent progressing fast enough (for me, guessing he has the same problems)

There is a goal body image you have inside your head and seeing faults that go uncorrected really pisses me off, i want them fixed and i want it now. cant wait 10 years

>>39140436
Not working out great, plus my gains have always been minimal despite good diet and disciplined life and lifting. Even at my "best" I was a barely ottermode twink fuccboi, and I was utterly perfect in all things fitness related.

And like >>39140460 said the low energy has plagued me my whole life. I get gassed after 15-30 minutes of lifting, and everything is fucking exhausting. Combine that with lmao shit gains and I don't think natty life is for me. But I made this thread to get more informed on the pros and cons before taking such a big step.

>>39140485
>plus my gains have always been minimal despite good diet and disciplined life and lifting.

Any idea what the reason is here? Good diet and discipline for 6 years doesn't just disappear after a sickness and injury. Unless you're talking cancer or something

>>39140573
>Any idea what the reason is here?

Pretty sure it was my IBS, which I have become MUCH better at dealing with and avoiding issues with over the years. It used to be that I would literally shit out chewed up food and shit water most days, so no matter how much I ate I would barely derive nutrition from it. Also had constant stomach pain that made it hard to really go balls to the wall on lifts, lest I double over in agony or shit myself.

Now that happens only a couple times a week and I actually managed to get chubby for the first time in my life. Got too used to eating whatever and never getting fat because of my broken digestive system, but I've also been able to make some gains for the first time as well.

>Good diet and discipline for 6 years doesn't just disappear after a sickness and injury.

Got mono, meningitis, and bronchitis at the same time, plus broke my leg while biking to the doctor for the aforementioned issues. All of them made any type of recovery take over a year, and I ended up a no muscle skinny fat that got winded walking up stairs. Partly that is my fault because I let my diet get bad during recovery, but I genuinely didn't see the point in religiously tracking my food while I wasted away. I'm just glad I already know good lifting and diet practices, so it's not like I am totally starting over again.

>>39140124

why would you test if it's all about the face (and the hair)

srsly consider this, you will be yuuge but bald, and ugly

I don't think you would need hcg, unless fertility has already become an issue for you. Maybe you meant HGH?

I don't see any reason why you should include dbol in a first cycle either. Why not just start with the standard dose of 500mg test e? You can add in the tren-a right away, I guess, but I would ease into it slowly to see how you react. If you get really bad acne, tingling/lactating nipples et al, you might wanna abort.

> twice a week or more

I think weekly injections are pretty much the norm with test-e, I don't know about tren.

> low bf

From what I understand, aromatase happens to a large degree in adipocytes, so having a lower bf may mean less conversion to estrogen, meaning less issues like gynecomastia etc.

You might also want to research PCT a bit more in-depth and set up a proper plan for cycle, PCT, exercise (ease into it to avoid CNS/joint/tendon issues, train more regularly because of shorter recovery time), nutrition and other supplements you're taking simultaneously (you may wanna increase protein intake so that your muscles have enough stuff to grow, take various vitamins, creatine (which can act synergistically) as well as something like high doses of l-methionine, choline and inositol (500mg/3g/3g) to protect your liver. Also you should create a plan for how to avoid high cholesterol and blood pressure, which typically means more cardio and restrict daily salt intake to 1-2g or so.

Lastly, you may wanna consider figuring out first why you have been so unsuccessful at making gains so far. Sure, you will grow to some degree pretty much regardless of what you do (even if you don't train at all and have a normie diet), but winning at steroids is all about maxing the bang (gains) for your buck (the amount of roids you take * the duration you take them, which you pay for with reduced health and sideeffects.) Is it because you've not been training effectively? Is it because you've not been eating well? Sleep?

>fix low self esteem about body

Good luck with that.

>>39140124
how is eating more a pro again?

>>39140671
GET A BLOOD TEST AND SEE WHAT YOUR CURRENT T LEVELS ARE YOUR SYMPTOMS MATCH THAT OF A LOW TEST NUMALE.

>>39140124
>for the sloots
If you're doing it for that just spend your money on hair implants.

>>39140685
Face is pretty good imo, but I got nothing on the hair. I love my hair and the idea of losing it was more than enough reason to never roid, but now that it's falling out like a cancer patient in Fukushima, who cares? It's gonna leave anyways, so might as well have huge muscles to compensate.

>>39140687
No, I meant hcg. From what I have read, it helps maintain ball function when your natural test shuts off, which in addition to PCT I had hoped would minimize the test drop or any fertility problems. Don't really want kids ,but you never know.

Good points. Most example cycles I've seen advocated 250 mg test e3d with dbol ED the first 6 weeks, which is why I had the dbol on there. Easing in is probably the most responsible way, but I had figured test, tren, and dbol (maybe) wasn't terrible. I am still doing research on cycle specifics though, this was mainly an examination of the pros and cons of roiding rather than me listing out my specific cycle that I am going to hit. I saved your comment for more research starting points though, thanks.

>>39140687
>Lastly, you may wanna consider figuring out first why you have been so unsuccessful at making gains so far.

See >>39140671.

>>39140713
I like eating a lot.

>>39140725
Test was ~500 at 19, though I am 22 now so it might have changed. I got blood done a few weeks ago (not test, just a health blood panel) and everything else was healthy, and I'll get my test levels tested before I started any cycle.

>>39140736
Pube hair isn't attractive.

>>39140754

well, hcg may help with that, but I suspect you won't have an easy time finding a credible, reasonably priced source. I think taking hcg is still a pretty exotic thing amongst roid users. I've only heard of its use in old guys who have fertility problems after roiding hardcore their entire life. And most roiders don't tend to have issues with fertility after a properly done PCT -- but then, I've heard horror stories of people going instantly infertile, so better be safe than sorry, I suppose -- if you can get your hands on it.

On the upshot, I suppose at least you'll have an easy way to test if any hcg you're getting is legit, since you can buy hcg test strips in every supermarket, kek.

>>39140778
>Pube hair
kek, negroid, don't you have any hair left at the back of your head? That's where they take it from.

This is the case where I would suggest reddit. Massive amount of knowledge thrown around. Also their wiki is pretty good. Just lurk for a month or 2, check ask anything threads hourly and some independant posts aswell.
Reddit.com/r/steroids

>>39140804
Interesting, thanks man. I'll look into it just in case, but what hcg testers are you talking about?

>>39140822
Thanks, I got a lot of my info from there already actually. It's been great for specifics on compounds, cycles, prep, etc., but this thread was more for general pros and cons of cycling given the situation. I've mainly just read the wiki though, so I'll check out the threads too.

Just do it. I'm gonna start my first cycle next week. I'm doing it because my job requires so much physical activity and I'm tired of being beat to shit every week. Firefighter.

>>39141005
> but what hcg testers are you talking about?

Pregnancy tests. They work by detecting the HCG produced by the fetus.

>>39141061
Oh nice, what's your cycle, AI, and PCT look like? Routine?

>>39141067
Oh shit, I had no idea. So I can just pee on it to see if the hcg is legit or not? I found a good source for hcg; it's pricey but might be good to have regardless.

>>39141061
have you considered some less drastic measures first, like taking creatine, ZMA supplements (and other multis), going on a very high protein diet, hydrating more, taking extra BCAAs (some of these are supposed to help with muscular recovery), taking ostarine or such?

>>39141089
I don't know if you would have HCG left over in your pee, but if you put some of your supposed HCG on the strip, it should surely detect it. Drawback is that it won't give you any idea about the pureness, of course.

>>39141117
also, foam-rolling, stretching and such supposedly help.

>>39141089
500mg test e/wk with adex and clomid after. Simple cycle. Routine is just texas method with accessories.
>>39141117
I've done all that besides ostarine. I'd rather go full roid than go SARMS.

>>39141203
>>39141117
I was vague. Been taking creatine for 3 years, BCAAs for about 6 months, stopped ZMA last year because I didn't feel anything diff. I eat 200g+ of protein daily, I always stay hydrated. I work out 4 days a week plus a cardio day and sports day. That's to keep my strength and endurance up, but with all the training we do I get worn out. I don't know what it is. I live in colorado where our elevation is 6.6k ft. That plus wearing my gear drains me.

>>39141236
damn. Well, maybe consider just taking a day per week completely off. I think lifting on 3 days a week is plenty. Also consider just taking a whole week off, every once in a while. I don't do this personally, but I've seen people recommend it before, if you google around you may find some recommendations on how frequently you should do it.

>>39140460
>>39140485

How often do you guys jack off? I feel the same when I do it every night. Try limiting yourself to once or twice a week with no porn if possible.

>>39140460
>>39140485
>Low energy
fix your diet and sex life first you idiots, dont think drugs will fix your problem

>>39140124
> fix low self esteem
Not gonna happen small fry

>>39141374
I usually just edge all week then blow it in your moms pooper on a Friday night.

>>39140203
OP you just admitted you've been fucking around for 6 years. Just do a fuckin program for a year and then decide by yourself fag

>>39141374
>>39141401

Nice MEEM. No fap and no porn just made me want to rape everything with a hole I saw, and otherwise I was even more low energy and low drive. Literally the only time I felt increased energy was at the prospect of fucking something or jacking off. Nor helpful.

>>39141452
>OP you just admitted you've been fucking around for 6 years

Where did I ever even hint at that? This is the fourth time I've had somebody accuse me of saying something I never even implied, what gives?

>>39141374
Wait a week between masturbating, each week makes it better.

My election was an inch bigger when I abstained for 2 months. Although it could now, i just don't get as aroused/horny.

The main problem with steroids is once you start, it's very hard to stop because lifting natty is gonna feel like garbage compared to lifting on gear.
Also, you don't get to keep your gains after a cycle. "Hurr durr but I've been off cycle for 3 weeks and didn't lose anything!"
Oh ya? See you back in 2 months and tell me more about all the gains you kept.

And finally, the health risks.
If you browse /fraud/ or reddit, no one has any bad stories besides acne or losing hair, which are normal side-effects. What I mean is with steroids, it's pretty much "look good know, pay the price later".
You won't hear about it that much, especially on the internet, but some of the older roiders (40+) have serious health issues directing from numerous years of blast and cruise.

>>39141551
You obviously haven't done any of your own research, I'm sure you spit out what other people say.

>>39141551
I was hoping that whoever weighed in on the pros/cons would know anything about steriod use at all. This feels like a DARE campaign ad.

>The main problem with steroids is once you start, it's very hard to stop because lifting natty is gonna feel like garbage compared to lifting on gear.

I already don't like lifting so not really a concern. It's like cardio: something I have to do, not something I like to do. Unless it makes me literally cum my pants while lifting, I doubt I'll miss that much.

>Also, you don't get to keep your gains after a cycle

That's 100% wrong. You keep all gains your body can naturally keep at your natural test. That's still pretty great, especially for someone like me who just wants results. The only way what you said is true if you're stupid and don't use PCT.

>You won't hear about it that much, especially on the internet, but some of the older roiders (40+) have serious health issues directing from numerous years of blast and cruise.

Good thing I'm not going to be blasting and cruising on 20+ compounds, manipulating electrolytes, dehydrating and starving myself, for multiple decades. I'll at most do two cycles. One of test E with AI and PCT, and one of tren, test, and maybe on other compound with AI and PCT. I'll only cruise on a low test dose if it helps with my depression. And at TRT doses that aren't supraphysiological, health risks are virtually nonexistent.

>>39140232
define tiny arms

>>39140124

You don't have to cut to low bf% before using, buuuuuuut if you're doing it for cosmetic reasons it simply is not worth your dollar to have bigger muscles if you can barely see them.

Honestly, with higher bodyfat%, and by "high" I mean within the normal healthy range, like 18-20% you will honestly not look all that impressive. Your shoulders and traps will look bigger than a natty guys at the same level, but due to a lack of definition it could even give you the illusion of being even fatter.

At low bodyfat% you end up looking soooo much better. The added muscle is really visible and give a much better look.

Now the good new is you can start roiding at a higher %. You just start dieting when on. In a guy who was recently natty it can rapidly help re-comp. That is because you are not anywhere close to the amount of muscle it can give you, so almost every spare calorie is used for building muscle and none is left over to help you gain fat. In a deficit this means rapid fat loss & muscle gain.

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>>39141821
you just convinced me to start

If you can't ohp 2pl8 bench 3pl8 squat 4pl8 and deadlift 5pl8 at a reasonable bodyfat then you don't have the drive discipline knowledge and dedication to roid safely.

>>39141877

I can see how that means they don't have the discipline to keep much after they come off, but for safety reasons I'm not seeing the connection.

>>39141916
If a guy can't count macros or control other natty variables he's more likely to be stupid with his juice use especially if all he cares about is instant results.

>>39141469
my election is fucked

>no drinking and stricter diet control
are you retarded?

>>39141821
Great to know, thanks man.

>>39141877
>you have to lift elite weights that most can't lift natty to roid

The delusion is real.

>>39142016
>weights that can be lifted by people in 3-4 years are elite
Jesus Christ fatty.

dumbass here. I regularly eat at maintenance and don't really have the appetite for anything more. would a cycle increase my appetite?

>>39142103
Eating more is easier then juicing tbqh just think of eating as an extension of your gym it's hard but you gotta do it.

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>>39142125
fuck
you're right

>>39141965

Or he could just spend more focus on controlling his doses and injection care, and not obsess over macros, which btw is seriously over rated. Try not to eat processed junk and control total calories will do 90% for you. Obsessing over macros is micro managing it.

>>39142103

Not as much for your appetite... but here is a little secret...

So long as you are not Auchwitz mode you still will gain a LOT of muscle from steroids, even WITHOUT a calorie surplus.

Where does the energy you burn come from? - Whatever fat stores you have on your body.

If you don't have a big appetite and you take steroids and you train with even halfways decent volume with weights...

You will STILL gain a lot of muscle.

In fact the most COMMON mistake guys make while using steroids is they fucking over-eat and the fat gain during their cycle, from force feeding, ruins what it could have done for them had they just eaten comfortably. - that is OBVIOUSLY assuming this was one of their earlier cycles. Later on calorie surpluses will be needed if they are already sub 10% fat - even on roids.

But.. BUT the fella who is say 15% fat who has a normal appetite to be a natty 175 pounds at 5'11" who decides to juice it up.

If he is using LEGIT product, 600mg of testosterona for 20 weeks = 18 pounds of muscle on average, even if he is not lifting weights, at only 2700 calories a day, and the subject averaged 1.5 pounds of fat lost!. - Yes, this has been legit scientifically studied.Oh, these were NOT newb gains either, they were guys who had been training for at least 1 year already, and STOPPED lifting for the study. Let that sink in.

These drugs, if they are legit are very powerful at building muscle, and modest at burning fat.

So if you attempt to force feed when on them, you will gain muscle certainly, but again you want to be LEANER, so don't fucking force feed on roids unless you are a strongman in an open weight division.

Just about everyone using it for ANY cosmetic reason should be cutting or recomping when using roids if they really want to get their money worth out of the drugs.

>>39140822
That sub and SST is the only reason to go on reddit, and the pron is better.

>>39141716
I didn't look on the internet; I simply go to an old school gym full of old roiders

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>>39141764
>I already don't like lifting

and yet you wanna use steroids.
Literally kys my man, this is one the stupidest thing I've ever read here

>>39142366
Why? I lift because I have to, not because I enjoy needlessly wasting my time and energy to pick heavy things up and put them back down again. I lift to look good, not for the activity itself.

>>39142446
So we can assume you only lift for women? And now you're gonna use steroids for women?

Ever thought about improving your social skills and get out of your house more often?

>>39143128
Not gonna even take this b8.

>>39140389
That dude's like 6'9 and a pro weight lifter.

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Add to cons:
Getting a heart attack and anger issues

>>39144551
kek

no point in roiding if you don't have the discipline to lead a healthy life style over a longer period of time

nothing worse than some ignorant faggot that jumps on roids as a shortcut