Kratom

>>39131703
isn't that shit a downer? might as well take an upper if you need a pwo. Since most of them are godawful for your cardiovascular system just get a good pre with dmaa.

Nah, it makes you complacent. Basically mild heroin,

>>39131904
its nowhere near mild heroin. More like a low dose of xanax. but yea it would be terrible as a preworkout, youd fall asleep

>>39131703
>>39131800
>>39131904
>>39131936
I really believe there are different kinds of 'kratom', some uppers, some downers

>>39131703
Kratom and other opioids/opiates fuck your test levels really bad. So, not gain friendly.

For those who don't know Kratom has different effects, either upper or downer depending on dosage

>>39131997
Source? What if you did mild amounts?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14622741/

Kratom is a opioid mu agonist so will have this effect though probably not as bad as something like heroin or oxy would.

>>39132108
Is there anything resembling legal test?

>>39132047
>Source?
Pretty common knowledge that kratom is an opioid and I doubt you even know what that is. It's time to delete your thread.

>>39131703
Might work but probably depends on the strength and/or type of kratom you can get.

In Indonesia or wherever the fuck it's originally from workers in fields chew it to keep themselves going for hours. But those niggers are probably chew the leaves basically unprocessed or whatever and I assume it's much more potent than anything we'll get in the west. But I'm speculating here, the real answer is I have no idea and you might as well try it and see.

Personally though I've never seen the point in preworkout and using shit to get you going. If you can't get yourself motivated and working you're doing something wrong. I guess if you work long hours in construction or something but for most people just get your ass in the gym and lift.

>>39131703
Not good for gains, I use it for pain management and energy boost at work and it's a huge boost. Different strains effect you differently. I used red bantuan maeng da. I also noticed it helped me drop weight like a ton of bricks.
I was mildly fat ~60 lbs overweight.

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>>39131703
shits chill as a mf, like the best explanation is it's "chill"

ive tried both white vein and red vein, imo even the stimulant one is dope it gives you focus but doesnt make you tweak like most stims.

awful preworkout though only good if youre gonna do mindless tasks or rot all day