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JBFLGF

>>39119655
nice

here are some triple jbs for flgf too

>>39119667
Close

>>39119667
Damn guy

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>>39119667
so fucking close

someone program a jacked & tan 2.0 spreadsheet for me

this shit is comically over fucking complicated for what it is

>>39119686
Here, in case you missed it

39119732

>>39119686
>>39119747
Ffs I fucked it

>>39119732


What lifts are you interested in pick two upper and two lower

I'm doing starting strength with some accessories as a beginner... but I'm on roids. I know, fuck me.

Only doing compound movements. I feel great all the time. Should I spend more time in the gym doing some isolations or just stick with compounds only while I'm growing?

>>39119788
Do as much work as possible.

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>>39119768

how the fuck do you people do 3 different triceps dependent compounds then are somehow still able to do triceps assistance afterwards

>>39119803
S T E R O I D S
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>>39119803
It's not a set weight but rather a set amount of reps.

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>>39119768
>>39119747
thanks, traditional four lifts appeal to me.

I think I grasp the concept fairly well, it's just implementing it into his shitty excel template that's hard

so if I want OHP/Diddly/Bench/Squat I'd program each day similar to this

>Strict OHP - T1
>BTN Press - T2
>Upright Rows - T3
>Front Lat Raises - T3

adjusting T2/T3 volume (would probably do T1, T2, T2, T3, T3, T3) as necessary?

Seems simple enough, but I'm also not understanding his "work up to a RM" philosophy. So work up, with as many sets as necessary, to a 10RM with a weight (lets say I work up from 10lbs in increments of 10 for 9 more sets and end at 100lbsx10reps) then use THAT number to set my percentage for my training max (TM) for the rest of the drop-sets? Which would be 3x6 with the final set being AMRAP?

>>39119803
>>39119810
this fucking killed me

>>39119803
Steroids are fucking magic.
No I'm not kidding you.
They allow you to do crazy shit in the gym and grow crazy as fuck mass and strength even if you've never even seen the inside of a gym or a barbell before.

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>>39119799
Yeah you say that then none of your joints work ever again and you cant do any fun lifts

>>39119799
OK. I'm adding forearm, calm and core exercises. Do I run risk of injury cutting out rest days

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>>39119810

you know the caliber of shit I'm on right now

still lift with enough intensity that the thought of trying to do tri assistance on bench day makes me want to cry

>>39119814

that's fucking retarded

>>39119834

check your mail you gay bitch

>>39119852

you wanna know how I know your lifts are babbyweight

>>39119865
I'm sorry.
I'm stating that steroids are the miracle drug of athletes and men who do physical work.
It is quite litterally easy mode..at the cost of your natural masculinity and balls.
That there is a reason there is a stigma against steroid abuse.

>>39119865
czech'd

tnkx bby

will send full spread nudes upon request

won't shave for them tho

Update from last thread.

About to do my first cycle of test e for 16 weeks.
Im unable to get my hands on nolva.

I can get HCG instead.

Can I just use HCG and Clomid for PCT?

Thanks

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>>39119907

wanna know how I know you've got no fucking idea what you're talking about

>>39119908

#noshavenofilter

reminds me I need to get my hair did and beard trimmed, run a #3 over my chest and #2 over my core, and maybe make a wax appointment for my back

110% metro bearmode

like 5 different people I lift with are now trying to convince me to bounce for these local college bars, tempting for the easy money considering I can let my size and terawatt-glower resting bitch face do most of the work for me

plus, y'know, the chicks

>>39119949
That's my plan but with weed

When figuring out dosing, does your body weight matter?

If a short guy and tall guy have the same body fat, would the tall guy need more?

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>>39119949
>metro bearmode
there's like 3 of these in my gym and my piddly gets a little less flaccid every time I see them

>terawatt-glower rbf
>pic

bouncing can be a good gig on the side

>>39119966
No

>>39119966
Neat question but not really. These hormones are so potent they don't really need to operate on a mg/kg scale. Most typical responders, regardless of size, should gain 10-15lbs from a solid 500mg test blast.

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>>39119834
You guess the RM of your T1 baswd on past performance and this chart. The chart isn't 100% accurate but is a great place to start. The drop sets are not based on that days rep max but instead your training max.

I'll give you an example day

Strict OHP
185x10
175x6,6,8 (last of the drop sets is a rep out)

BTN Press

I warm up and pick a weight that seems challenging for 15 reps, then do repeat sets with the same weight

125x15,13,13,11

Close Grip Bench

Im pretty fatigued at this point so I lowball the weight to make sure I can get reps in that don't look like total garbage

185x15,15,12,12

Barbell Rows

185x15,15,15,18
(In this example I lowballed too much so I did as many as possible in the last set. I could have also just upped the weight)

I usually have pressing movements as t1 and 1-2 pulling as t2. Adjust if you want more pulling, and you could always add in back work to lower days as well.

T3 Work
Curls x20,18,18,16

Superset with

Pec Flies x20,20,16,17

Three-way Shoulder Raises
Front x15,15,15
Side x15,15,15
Back x15,15,15

It's impossible to isolate the individual heads during raises so I reduced total reps and picked a very light weight. This work primarily benefits the pump and mind muscle connection.


So that's a very detailed example day. Reps change based on where you are in the program, there's two main blocks but I feel like that part is easy just plug and play.

>>39119865
>It's not based exclusively on percentages of a training max so therefore it's retarded
K

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Does this look good?

>>39120020
Weird

>>39120027
Explain please

>>39119935

>No nolva
>I can get hcg instead guys!

Ehhhhhhhhh. No. Nolva is there to prevent bitch tits as well as help recovery. Hcg can cause tittay growth.

>>39120020
why the fuck pin tren e twice a day

unless you just aren't familiar with steroidcalc, in that case change the frequency to E3D or E3.5D preferably

>>39119984
Thanks for the detailed info mate, much appreciated

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>>39119949
How is that mast e working for you?

>>39120040

Protip, do not take a Frontload dose of dnp when you're 5 days in.

Goddamnit that dehydration hangover was insane.

Stable weight before dnp, the day I took that dose I was down 4-5lbs.

>>39120045
Stable blood levels for less sides

>>39120054

That bitch should buy clothing in her actual size.

And if it's a blouse, drop the retarded pose.

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>>39120020
I hope u are messing A with E
I hope you arent pinning tren only
do more research
>>39120027
hi bimbo

>>39120075

>twice a day
>it's more stable!

Every 5 minutes or gtfo.

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>>39120075
basically>>39120092

there's a point where wanting to be thorough becomes retardation

>>39120091
Hi Sven why are you so into me

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>>39119954

prob better, no psycho drunk chicks whose brains don't get the whole self-preservation mechanism when a shaved gorilla tells them to get the fuck out

>>39119972

I am the literal walking talking symbol of emasculation for every single guy in my gym, serious case of (relatively) big fish in a super small pond

>>39119995

just completely ignore the foundation of resistance training aka specific adaptation to imposed demand

no, really, go ahead and enjoy being frustrated because your progress is shit compared to what it could be

>>39120054

pretty nice, probably a decent contribution to not being turbofat from bloating bc of the trest

plus helping me keep a firm grasp on the amplified urges to flip out at stupid people during class

>>39120091
What's wrong with tren only?

It is tren e my guy had it cheaper than a. I figure if I inject it 2x a day like I would a then I wouldn't get the same sides as e.

>>39120092
I have these tiny insulin needles so 2x a day isn't a big deal

>>39120100

I snort 5mg dnp every 10 minutes. I don't sleep, stable bloods > everything.

>>39120117
Don't do any of that

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>>39120121

>>39120124

You dont aromatize. I do, A LOT. I ran tren only for months and it worked pretty great.

Well.. Tren, msten, sdrol, mtren etc..

But I know most respond differently.

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>>39120117
>my guy

this tells us all we need to know

>>39120121
>not ever 2.5

kek, trying to tell me those levels are stable @ 5 minutes? fucking try harder next time

>unrelated

>it's a fat coworker wants me to come out and drink with her and her 8/10+ friends episode
uuuuggghhhhhhh just as I was getting comfy in these goddamn excel sheets with some hot cocoa

these whores can wait

>>39120143

Tren should be injected into a vein too.

>>39120158

>dnp iv drip.

>>39119978
How rare is it for someone to gain 20lbs on their first blast?

>>39120176
I would say not impossible just incredibly rare for a standard 12 week 500mg test cycle.

AKA unless you're a genetic freak, not going to happen.

>>39120116
You literally have never seen the full program and youre already bitching.

The focus lifts are done in standard fashion, with a volume taper into a peaking max cycle. The supplementary lifts are for total volume. It's just a template, meant to be modified.

Let me quote the guy who writes this
>I broke two California state records (deadlift and total) and broke the IPL deadlift record

He's in a light weight class so he can recover from an assload of volume. So can an AAS using intermediate. You personally might not have as much success with this type.of programming, as a 240lb manlet with a decent amount of.strength your recovery curve is larger, but that does not invalidate it.

>>39120190

Run it without AI. See what happens, kek

>>39120176
I gained like 45lbs

Trading in my natty card in the next couple of weeks. Getting bloods on Saturday to see where I'm at beforehand.

What's the deal with Nolva and Clomid causing vision problems due to the high activity of estrogen receptor sites in your eyes. Planning on running about 900mg of test E a week for 12 weeks...Considering running an oral but I can't decide which yet if I am.

Arimidex or Aromasin ? Is lethargy really that bad? If I throw tren or some prolactin generating roid into the mix, it seems like a recipe for disaster for my first cycle not knowing how the different compounds are effecting me. First blast is bueno at 1g/week yeah?

>>39120195
>brick
>240lb manlet

Hafthor is that you?

>>39120124
Literally why not.

Why are you guys memeing me.

>>39120158
Wtf is wrong with what I said

>>39120212
PCT and estro management mid cycle advice pls senpais.

>>39120207
are you just trying to fuck people up or something?

>>39120212

Start with 500, up the dose later on. It's likely wasted because of receptor upregulation the first x weeks.

>>39120190
500mg test and dbol starter. Then what happens?

>>39120222

>Are you just trying to fuck people up the ass or something

Ftfy

>>39120215
I could explain how tren doesn't aromatize, and estrogen being neuroprotective, and the importance of test and shit but okay for real people who run tren only look like notop and yolo. Not mast or brick or alb or Chem or anyone decently big.

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>>39120214
Isn't he?

I could be wrong my sleep hasn't been good.

Im 6'3" fridgemode pic related is my goal body

>>39120232

BLLOOOOOOOAAAAAAAT.

>>39120236

This is true. Tren is still best for strength vs size. It can be used for mass but you won't look big/full 24/7. Try NPP instead

>>39120212
Start with 500mg/week. It's just a nice rule of thumb, and it's going to be a massive waste if you don't respond well to almost a gram of test.

Take 12.5g of aromasin E3D, if your sides are severe, 12.5 ED, if they are beyond comprehesion, 25mg ED.

I personally don't like adex because it crashes your E2 hard and it's harder to dose.

I'd advise against any orals on first cycle, but if you have to, just do the dbol meme.

So my father was balding at 22, I'm 19 and already starting to thin around the widows peak.

Should I consider Finasteride and it's sides? Planning on having accutane on standby if needed as well. Already starting with Rogaine and nizoral shampoo soon.

If I go bald, I want to be beefy.

>>39120232
You put on 40lbs, 15lbs of muscle, 25lbs of water.

>>39120259
>BLLOOOOOOOAAAAAAAT.
hot

>>39120260
Thank you.

>>39120268
Just shave your head pussy. No point delaying the inevitable.

>>39120280
Finally we agree

>>39120236
I just wanna be aesthetics crew I don't need to be huge.

Do I really need to buy test too for that?

>>39120280
I look like uncle fester with glasses if I shave my head rn. Fuck that.

It's not noticeable on ripped and shredded men. and I still have a full head of hair atm for the most part. milking this bitch.

>>39120280

God gave us hair. It should be left alone.

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>>39120282

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>>39120195

think about this for a moment

you can either try to hand-jam more volume and total working capacity for those specific muscle groups into one workout orrrrrr...

just switch them around so you're doing antagonist assistance after the primary compound focus, ie deads plus general back assistance followed by tricep assistance, then your bench workout followed by bicep assistance

>>39120214

I kinda liked that one myself

>>39120236

truth, I'm literally running the most horrific aromatizing shit known to man on top of the tren/mast

>>39120249

6' ~240 with short-ass legs, long torso, and door-width shoulders

haven't had an actual morning weight in a couple weeks at least so it's a little guesswork figuring food/water/clothes/etc after my workout

>>39120260

man just looking at the asin dosages most people use makes my fucking joints hurt

>>39120280
>>39120282

exactly

>>39120272
why do people use dbol then?
>>39120268
i'm on finasteride but I'm NOT on gear if that matters. I like to think it seriously slowed down my loss (impossible to know). I have no sexual side effects. I have about as much hair as when I started finasteride as I do now, maybe slightly less. Overall I think it's worth it incase a cure comes along. Also look into Duprost

Third for shaved noggins

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>>39120201
what happens
>>39120232
u bloat like balloon
>>39120103
as long as im not stalkin u @kink we're fine senpai

>>39120306
>why do people use dbol

Strength.

Anyone ever tried vanishpoint pins? Doc used one on my for a glucosteroid glute injection.

Seems memey and too expensive

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>>39120318
he means strength which comes almost immediately. also, good feeling and better pump

>>39120318
pft fuck that I dont care about strength, mass only

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>>39120314

>tfw clear skinned flawless hair low aromatizing master race

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>>39120343
>mass
>strength
pretty sure one follows the another senpai

>>39120345
my hair was shit before gear sadly

>filename
jesus fucking christ

>>39120345
Lovely

Going for superman mode. Dat dere v taper from my father. Got a solid 2 years before i reach goal mode with AAs.

>>39120302
>just switch them around so you're doing antagonist assistance after the primary compound focus

There's arguments on both sides.

Doing the supplementary volume work in a fatigued state in the long term will increase specific work capacity and may provide more time for recovery during the week

Doing the assistance work after antagonist work would increase frequency as well as the 'freshness' quality of the lifts.

I think over a training career you should do both. No reason not to, if you're keepup with volume amd intensity you're not really gonna slide backwards and the shift in training parameters is just going to give you more stimulus.

No reason to hate man it's a thought-out program that has worked for many people despite not being out that long. I personally like the level of customization and volume, and think it's one of the best choices for either a lighter lifter or an intermediate lifter on drugs, so I recommend it.

>>39120400
>>39120302

This thread reminds me of fingerboxes.

>>39120289
Pls guys

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>>39120338
I used to use BD integra syringes that have a retractable needle but they're entirely unnecessary and expensive. The only real difference I noticed was there is less waste space in the needle hub but I airlock injections anyways so it doesn't really matter.

>>39120425
Yup.

No AAS = No AS derived progress.

>>39120436

You saved me a lot of money senpai

>>39120436
They don't push well. They need a lot of pressure compared to regular guys. Half the time the depressor snaps halfway through an injection.

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>>39120289
Yes.
Test is base for everything

>>39120445
I read an article on meso-rx saying as much.

Love that forum, such a great place to trade my cantonese bobble heads.

>>39120448
Pooh got big from just hunny tho

>>39120455
>implying he didn't have fucking dbol raws mixed with that hunny

only way to truly bear mode

What do you guys enjoy doing for sleepgains?

Thermovex PM is pretty dope if you don't have to pay for it like me.

Otherwise L-Theanine 5-htp and Melatonin combo

>>39120451
Like my vg are littered in scar tissue. Sometimes you need to *push* but it shouldn't take 3-4 attempts at tea fling the syringe inside you just to get an even flow of .5ml/15 seconds.

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>>39120441
Ok how does this look I'll buy test too

>>39120475
Weed

>>39120482
Looks better. Unlike these boyos I pin everyday regardless of ester. I do feel better for it.

>>39120477
is that with 23g or 25g? Do you warm your oil beforehand? Any tips on avoiding pip and scar tissues through firsthand experience?

>>39120489
>pin ED regardless of ester

>>39120490
>tips on avoiding pip and scar tissue

don't do what he does

but really, yeah pinning ED is great bimbs, even with longer esters. But not fucking twice a day for an enanthate ester, fuck that

Is HCG throughout cycle a meme?

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>>39120368

you think that one's amazing?

I need to get like a straight up wall-sized print of this made

>>39120400

I guess if you're a light-intermediate lifter it would work, I honestly really wouldn't know since I kinda leapfrogged from babbyweight to intermediate-advanced before even touching gear

my perspective is really just coming from the fact that after 3 working sets of bench, 3-4 thumbless close grip with a slingshot for some profound overload, then either weighted chest dips or db bench as a finisher my fucking triceps will literally give out in the middle of the first set of assistance work for them

even using shit like undulating periodization the intensity is always there, albeit in a modulated fashion, which means heavy or rep or explosive day I'm always completely fucked for chest/delt/tri work

>>39120436

I fucking hate matvs, although that trailer is hilarious

fucking things are in no way, shape, or form built for a 225+lb dude in full kit with a truck bag and dismount bag

although the a/c was like pure sex

>>39120445

having one of those pieces of garbage retract in the middle of an injection is some horrific shit

>>39120490

smaller gauges just slow the accumulation of scar tissue, I don't, the 1ml/min rule to avoid hand tremors from trying to put too much pressure on the plunger, and get comfortable with a whoooole bunch of sites

>>39120498

unless you feel the overwhelming need to have goose egg balls and accept the trade-off of e2 being more fucked than usual

>>39120496
Yeah twice daily is strange but I notice better erections and less mood swings pinning e daily.

>>39120489
Ok cool.

Test has less sides so I can pin it eod and be fime though right?

Im just a scared noob guys I dont wanna go crazy

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>>39120445
Weird. I actually thought they pushed easier because the plunger was a thicker structure instead of the four tabs on most syringes.

>>39120511
Steroids make you go insane look at me. Don't. Do. Drugs.

>>39120511
Jeesus Christ pin enanthat every 3.5 Days like a normal person. No need to scar your muscles with pinning ed.

>>39120516
No they get sticky easily and if you press too hard the depressor snaps and it's a race against time to push as efficiently as possible while oil leaks out the back and front.

>>39120508
>news paper says Tehran Times
>Image is meant to be about the bloodshed in Afghanistan and Iraq
>Wut

>>39120511
Cat Piss's story is interesting. Watched lonelylifts and him have a dwarf fortress level tantrum spiral in their lives and they're both still on this board. Neato Frito

Drugs are bad kids.

>>39120508
Hey can you please comment on this

>>39120482


I feel like Im being memed here

>>39120508
>get a wall-sized print made
>6902x3535
I'd say you just need to find a fucking printer capable of handling that monstrosity and you're g2g

>>39120519
desu you're kinda the poster boy for why people should do drugs

>>39120361
I know, just being a punk

you guys know that fake coupons still work right? I pay practically nothing for all my food and BBing needs. I never see them mentioned on 4chan anymore

>>39120547
I attribute literally any success I have currently to being a beautiful white man.

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>>39120555
you sadden me
i still love you tough

Guys going on a cruise of 125-150mg. I will injecting subcutaneous. I already tried 0.3ml with 25g and had no problems except for some leakage.

With test 300 I will only need 0.22ml so I'm going to buy fine dosing syringes and thinking about 30g. Are they too small or good to go for 0.22ml?

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>>39120586
can some1 confirm 150mg cruise is legit

>>39120569
still did this all the time, Target is my go-to since the machines they have there at self checkout have automatic coupon readers

it's fucking great paying like $6 for $120 worth of shit

>>39120572
but white males and hard drugs go together like apples and pie

>>39120596
It's not illegitimate.

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Is it weird that the only reason I blast high test is so my jack off sessions are better?

The muscle gains between 500 and 800 are minimal but goddamn my dick fucking LOVES the extra 300mg

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My nips felt tingly earlier. I'm on like week 6-7 I think? I only emexstane and tamoxifen.

What do???

>>39120643

What are you running?

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>>39120541

it's a heavy-handed little propaganda piece from tehran

>>39120544

pin enanthate esters twice a week, general rule is less tren sides with test at 250mg/wk or less

>>39120547

oh my god, can you imagine the look on some print shop dude's face

>>39120572
>>39120600

I am like the living embodiment of american masculinity and I shamelessly take advantage of it every chance I get

>>39120596
the fuck are you even asking

why wouldn't it be "legit"

if anything, the retard cruises at 250mg aren't, those are just slightly weaker blasts all year round.

>>39120664
My friends parents own a print shop. Told me a story of some guy who got a 3m x 4m print of a pornstar with Emma Watsons face photoshopped on.

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>>39120683
tought 150/w would just b waste of gear
sorry for asking senpai didnt mean to hurt no feelings

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>>39120664
>the look on his face
probably panic-induced fear as you loom over him printing that fucking image of all things

god why did savage have to go and fucking die

I wanna see a cage match between you, hulk hogan, and savage

and someone can beat masT to death with a folding chair

>>39120709
125-150 will put most people on high natty range, depending how they respond.

200-250mg is not really a cruise, it's like mini blasting.

Well I'm meeting my ex in a few hours with the intention of not Fucking her.

>>39120785
I wonder whether you're actually fooling yourself when you say things like that or if you're just trying to fool us

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>>39120643
for the love of god please explain the roids your on and the ancillaries also? idk if your off cycle with that post
>>39120455
you arre the smuggest of pepes

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>>39120772
tought 800~ are blasts
500~ are normals and 250~for cruising
>>39120785
sextapepls

>>39120830
this person uses steroids

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>>39120849
sorry for having opinions Mr. Righteous

>>39120804
I have zero intention of it right now.

>>39120785
film you not fucking her to edge the board pls
-

also i wanna do a long 12 week cycle for re-composition, anybody got a recommendation.

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>>39120711

tren base, mtren, maybe a little mibolerone, video of that shit would end up right next to the cartel/isis/chechnya vids on the what the fuck shelf of the internet

>>39120874
what compound do u think everyone is gonna say to use for recomp

take a guess

>>39120927
Dbol

>>39120849
Nah senpai studies showed that above 300mg the effectiveness already starts decreasing. 500mg is a good blast, 800mg is a lot.

An average natty person produces 70-100mg testosterone peer week. Now you know how a 200mg "cruise" compares.

Don't let these people fool ya. Cruise on 200mg and do bloods. I mean you could be a low responder. But there is a high probability that your test levels are >1100ng/dl

>>39120935
i was thinking cortisol

>>39120939
Spiro

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>>39120937
sounds about right

thanks for this senpai

Okay I really do want to suck those titties. Give me strength or do I flake?

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>>39120958

dexamethasone

literal gains goblin

>>39120860
that's not an "opinion"

if I said "I thought 200 calories was cutting, 500 calories was maintenance and 800 calories was bulking," you'd think I'm a fucking retard, not that I have an "opinion"

it blows my mind that idiots like you hop on steroids not knowing anything about anything

>>39120937
fuck are you quoting me for

>>39120979
that was fast

you need to cut her out of your life you fuck

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>>39120927
ohhh fuck im retarded MAST for physique ,and since i want to take a long as dose Deca with a decent Test base, and maybe just maybe some Tren

>>39120935
when is there never not a good time to take Dbol.

im recomping to be better over all in the performance was so i can have overall strength/endurance/speed. since im around 13-16% BF and decently strong.

im currently taking Dhea/andros/DIM but once i get a supplier ill end up using steriods since theres no other comparison. they work even for bulk buys but there not necessarily the same thing for the price

>>39120984
Do I?

>>39120998
>since im around 13-16% BF

so you're 20% bf

got it

always the fattest fucks who want to "recomp" cuz they think they can lose their 50lbs of fat while still stuffing their fat ass

>>39121023
I just pinned 60mg tren base. I think it's the tren desu.

I'm torn between tearing her a new asshole and tearing her a new asshole.

When on gear... lower reps/heavier weights or high reps?

I'm weary of stress on my joins by lifting heavy, and at the same time Rich Piana said that in his years using steroids, he found it better to go higher reps and get a "pump" burning, and that that gave him the best results.

At the same time with natty lifting, you HAVE to lift heavy or you won't get results, and I can't think that gear suddenly changes that rule, but I could be wrong.

Thoughts?

>>39120785
Lol good luck senpai.

>>39121023
>>39121047
weren't you supposed to be done with the tren?

you need jesus

>>39121052
>with natty lifting, you HAVE to lift heavy or you won't get results
>I can't think that gear suddenly changes that rule

with natty lifting you don't get results no matter what you do so idk what you're talking about

>>39121066
This is just pre workout tren. I'm out of all tren now though.

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>>39121052

entirely depends on what your goals are, if you're pushing your total you're still going to train like it just with slight changes

>>39121068

maybe you didn't, but some of us actually knew some shit before making that decision

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>>39121068
Should I tell him?

Also, bimbo's face is now a smug reaction image.

>>39121110
Meme me up baby

>>39121091
what would you say if your goals are lean mass gain for now?

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>>39121119
I prefer the whole pic I have traps for once

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>>39121136
with bigger beard you would look like ripped santa

whats up with that tattoo tho

>>39121136
pls try deadlifting for a week

if you dont like the changes in aesthetic just go back to your old routine

you'd look so much better with good traps and even a moderately strong core

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>>39121037
soooo what kind of cycle should i run ? or are you just gonna cry that i can maintain my weight year round while you have to cut and bulk like a Kleptomanic getting caught

i bulked from 160lbs to 230lbs in 2 years and now that im maintaining my wheight and not getting drunk while i workout better i might as well take a cycle thats clearly stronger than the shit that i have now.


pic related my lard ass

>>39121187
>13-16% BF
LMAO

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>>39121166
My dope teeth and eyes?

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>>39121110
>>39121119
>>39121136

>>39121187
you should try a bi-cycle

you fat fuck

also dnp

>>39121187
>maintain my weight year round
JK im fat as shit just got to this last chrismas

5'11

>>39121207
are you trying to be Knightmare?

>>39121200
He means 13-16% LBM

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>>39121219
It is similar to the soul edge that's the closest approx

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>>39121135

some push-pull or agonist-antagonist shit using rest-pause instead of 373626384 sets and drop sets and supersets and giant sets and pyramids and GOD DAMNIT

>>39121210
how much buddy ?

>>39121248
Ask notop

>>39121242
just look unfinished from the top, looks cool overall.
try BT headset btw those cords are annoying af in gym

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im not that fat guys i aleast cough up half a gallon of cholestrol a day. i mean i cant be that bad that i cant even see my own penis. hhaahah atleast im bigger and stronger than my coworkers . just becuase i cant measure from TIP to BONE doesnt mean i have a small penis.
hahaha guys i can recomp and stay the same wheight while building muscle so i can be large like a obese moose fucking lumber jack faggot

atleast im not skinny rrr--ighttty mightly yoo hoo

>>39121257
Literally the last person to ask about dnp. He'll tell you all about how it's fine to frontload 3 g's in the first day and you'll end up fucking dying.

I'm not on steroids but I figured I'd ask you guys. see, I've only been wokring out for 2 weeks and already my arms look WAY bigger. i'm thrilled. Am I... a genetic freak?

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My fat out of shape self 350 test

>>39121243
not sure what this all means but OK doc I'll do my best

>>39121187
hahahahahaha u see this shit hahahahahhahahaha omfg im fuckign dying hahaha 13% bf LMFAO OH MY FUCKING GOD LOL JESUS CHRIST

U ARE FUCKING 25% MINIMUM

HAHAHA

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>>39121306
>B8 the post

>>39121321
no U

but atleast i know now
>>39121294
Hes just begging for people to die

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>>39121308
Looks good m8. A bit more fat on the lower abs, but nothing to worry about.

Still great mass. Good job

>>39121308
any more tattos in your future ?

>>39121337
>>39121187
>>39120998

this is the kind of retard giving you advice when you post here

just keep that in mind

and he even uses a fucking name for his posts

>>39121187
if this is 13% bf whats this
>>39121308
like -853% bf?

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>>39121388
i hope YOU and only YOU enjoyed my posts

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>>39121388
we're literally all retarded so it's whatever

it's like a circle jerk of retardation spewing more retardation all over everyone else

and ESTP isn't here to lick it all up anymore

>>39121421
why'd you shave ur head, the hair didn't look that bad did it

also might wanna run some dnp

>>39121421
i think you missed with the razor

u were aiming for the rest of your body right

>>39121437
kek, chuckled at this one

>>39121429
looks worse from the front, plus I'm just tired of dealing with it anyway

and after 4-5 days of regrowth the shaved looks a lot nicer, will probably just stick with doing a 1.5 rather than a 1/0.5 from now on

>>39121421
very fucking lean, have you thought of modeling? you look like a prototype robotic machine of sorts

>>39121453
lol fatty thinks that's lean...

hes not fat but not lean either

>>39121461
dude hes atleast -54 %BF

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>>39121453
see>>39121461

I'm certainly not fucking lean, calipers have me at 12.2% in that october pic, and I think that's generous. I'd say I'm probably 13-14% at best in that pic

>prototype robotic machine of sorts
they already make dildo machines tho

>>39121474
was that pic of the obese retard really you or are you just trolling

>>39121483
just trolling
>>39121293
for a pasta

>>39121381
A lot. Half sleeve botanicals on the right arm. Possibly an Apis Bull or another design on my back.

/fraud/ how do I get with this 6'2" euro freshman qt on my uni's basketball team?

>>39121497
Roid.

>>39121497
You generally have to ask the person in question

Don't worry I have issues with this too.

>>39121507
Shhhh don't give legit advice to b8 posters

>>39120979
The Lord is watching you Bimbo.

>>39121066
>you need jesus

>>39121497
have a penor dis big

8=======D

nuts to scale

>>39121494
interesting combo, very what ever culture that is mediterranean ?

>>39121512
Which lord tell me

>>39121507
>You generally have to ask the person in question

I mean you're not wrong.

I've only met her once and it was only briefly. Hopefully I'll see her again sometime soon.

Hopefully she doesn't mind guys shorter than her.

>>39121512

>>39113498

Since you weren't here when I posted it.

>>39121380
Thanks dude

Alright nerds I'm legit about to say no to my hardest addiction wish me luck

>>39121530
Good luck breh.

>>39121536
Jokes on me I want those titties

>>39121525
I'm a disgusting nimphomaniac don't you worry. The difference is I feel bad a few hours after.

>>39121540
Jerry will be disappointed in you if you indulge. Crusader will try to burn you at the stake.

>>39121551
Jerry already knows he has seen these milky titties

>>39121546
I don't. I wanna get another three way going and have one girl choke the other till she passes out while face sitting on me and I'm inside the first. Life goals.

>>39121555
I can't wait to repeat this last week over again tomorrow.

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>>39121551
>Crusader will burn you at the stake

Or a cage.

I hate ISIS but they've got some creativity in their executions. Well edited too.

>>39121570
>brazen bull master race
why havent you smelted 2 tons of dumbells into a screaming metal death trap yet

>>39121570
Wasn't that one faked? There was some pretty compelling evidence for it being all video edited and the dude was just acting, then got shot in the head and burned afterwards.

>>39121587
Because you can't lift them after that.

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>>39121570
the best one was where they had the little kids hunt people in a game of hide-and-seek in some old ruins

>the fucking scene where the guy is laying blindfolded in his own grave and the kid runs up, aims at him, tells him to stand, then fucking domes him back to the ground

B R U T A L

>>39121635
I think the cage drowning one is easily the worst. What a way to go.

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>>39121599
but crusaders christan so he'll just build a church around it and claim another soul if there isnt enough money in the bowl for todays bread

>>39121599
i had to many shills in the thread that i was in to save it but the first one with the guy getting his head cut off with a knife was the one that was faked for sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhfI9j90XQ

http://imgur.com/cXDvmFT
crisis actors

ISIS as an excuese to buy cheap oil, fight a proxy war and soon go to war with russia for le humane reasons i guess

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>>39121421
Was your pre-/fraud/ hairline perfect? Did tren fuck it up or did test also play a role?

Myron progress. I want your October 2016 body but with visible abs.

If you could do it all over again would you still do tren?

I'm a short fuck though (5'8") so I should probably not even jump on. Been lifting for about a year and a half - looked big at the end of my bulk but I hear that it looks bad (though, I liked it) on short guys.

Doesn't help that I'm low test (270 ng/dL), which makes cutting pretty much a non-option. All my muscle wastes away on deficits though I am maintaining strength through what feels like sheer force of will.

Ever cut on test? That's the only reason I'd want to jump on. Natty bulk again, then actually KEEP the gains during my cut with adequate T levels. Maybe TRT is the way to go.

Sorry, this is kinda stream of consciousness. I feel like /fraud/ has shown me that roids and your body composition kinda shape your life/destiny and I'm tempted af especially after getting low T confirmation.

Also I'm kinda hoping for a silver bullet for the mental rut I've been in. I sometimes feel like low T is the culprit. Anyone have experience with that?

>>39121681
>crisis actors

Mind. Blown.

So... Sandy Hook was faked?

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>body and back aching all over
>weak as shit cause cutting at only 11 calories per lb while on 2.5 grams of gear
>its raining outside

but it's arms day, my absolute favorite 1.5 hour of the half-week.

Godamnit, I gotta muster up as much power as I can to fucking go to the gym and lift.

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>>39121752
only showed 1 image of a blurred out kid for it

the fag murderer was also fake

but not all of it is fake a rare few shootouts go to the news if it fits there narrative
http://crisiscast.com/

apply now and let /pol/ piece together all of your images and point out how BS it is to see you 10 times in a row with the same fucking line

>>39121728
>pre-fraud hairline
it was shit, destined to go bald before 30 regardless of if I juiced or not. Bald dad, bald mothers dad, bald fathers dad.
>tren fuck it up or test
see above, although I noticed a lot of increased shedding on dbol so far
>all over again still do tren?
definitely, but run it 1:1 with test this time because fuck the sides, I just love test

>short fuck 5'8"
m8 I'm only 5'9"

cutting is what I'm doing now, cruising on test, on var currently. Will run DNP if I'm 4 weeks out from my next blast and not happy with where I want to be.

don't hop on just to cut; but get on TRT levels to cut, then do whatever you want. Blasting and cutting is retarded, though.

>>39121773
speaking of this, if i get 0 shedding at all from any steroid, including dbol and tren, does that mean i am not gonna go bald from this shit?

or what?

been on 860 tren e for a few weeks. i run my hands through my hair in the shower, and 0 pieces fall out.

ran tren before also, same shit. dbol too

>>39121791
From my understanding, most all compounds only increase shedding or accelerate balding in those with a genetic predisposition for it. It won't cause balding on its own, although thinning is possible (with regrowth after coming off the offending compound) for those with perfect hair genes already.

Of course some compounds (namely DHT derivatives) are worse offenders than others.

>>39121771
Alright so on thinking about the whole throw the Caucasoid race in a blender thing, along with all the other movements that are obviously happening™ but too hard to pin down as a layman


What the fuck do I do? I feel like some sort of personal action should be taken. The average person is too retarded, and the propaganda arm possed by people against this machine too weak, for some sort of mass illumination anytime soon.


So if it cannot be dismantled from the outside, what about from the inside. How would a perfectly average male get inside this beast to see about finding the vulnerabilities inherent of the system?

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>>39121773
>m8 I'm only 5'9"
Oh shit, man. You look fucking well proportioned at October 2016. I would have guessed manlet based on February 2016 but you look like a tallfag in October for some reason. Hard to explain what I'm noticing but this give me more hope.

>don't hop on just to cut; but get on TRT levels to cut, then do whatever you want. Blasting and cutting is retarded, though.

Interesting. I've read that high T levels prevent muscle wasting by inhibiting glucocorticosteroid receptor activation (i.e., stops cortisol from fucking ur shit up). But it sounds like supraphysiological levels (blast levels) are not needed for cutting and TRT levels suffice?

From toiling in low T natty world I've developed some fucked up willpower where I can tolerate situations that are probably horrible for my health - I'm talking about 2 protein shakes a day and that's it (basically PSMF). But what you're saying makes sense about blasts being overkill for cutting.

I guess I'm just mentally all about punishing myself and being miserable. I literally can't remember what it is like to feel good and happy about myself.

Like I don't know if I could mentally deal with having your October 2016 body (i.e., one that I'd be happy with).

Thanks for the info about hairline. Interesting. Men on my mom's side are bald, men on dad's side have perfect hair into 90s. So who knows.

>definitely, but run it 1:1 with test this time because fuck the sides, I just love test

So what did you do if not 1:1?

Also, is higher libido unavoidable? This actually isn't part of my "hating myself and being miserable" complex. I just genuinely don't like having a sexual drive/imperative that distracts me from work and contemplation/self-improvement.

Any way to get dem sweet /fraud/ gains without turning into a horn dog?

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>>39121421
Age? I think it's really interesting you got so much body hair growth. Are you in your early 20s and experiencing late puberty or is it attributable to the test?

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>>39121681
>>39121728
>>39121752
>>39121771
>>39121876

why don't you extract alex jones's dick from your ear, crawl out of your little post-fact anti-intellectual holes, and at least make an attempt to summit the mountain of crippling, emasculating insecurities you call your life

christ alive it's fucking pathetic hearing a bunch of fat, retarded, balding white guys whine about how the kikes and niggers and camelfuckers are ruining the pure white christian america that only exists in their delusional fantasies

by golly there'd be high paying jobs in industries that magically wouldn't become completely irrelevant and die from obsolescence, big-assed fat-tittied women just begging to give up their fundamental human rights in favor of sucking your tiny little crooked dicks and totally not threatening your fragile little self-esteem by doing things like questioning you or being the one person in the house with an original thought

bunch of little navel-gazing cunts crying constantly about cucks and miscegenation and whores make me fucking embarrassed to be an actual goddamn thunderbolt-shitting, dick swinging, cigar smoking, binge drinking, steak and bacon eating, intelligent, confident, assertive, shaved gorilla-looking, haji-scalping motherfucking white man just by the fact that I'm somehow associated with you

BRICK ACTUAL, OUT

>>39121879
Im sort of relevant here

Im not listening to advice because fuck you so Im blasting right now and neither increasing nor decreasing nor really strongly counting calories, but getting lots of protein.

Its my first time on so I figured why complicate shit, and Im definitely gonna BnC cause my goals are a bit lofty, and I want to see if long term AAS use is going to have a virilization effect on me. Im pretty average depth of voice, shitty body and facial hair (genetic my t levels were 700-800), ok skeletal frame at best etc. I grew an inch from 20 to 21, my father insists that he grew until he was 25 (who knows) and I just turned 23 this past week. So we shall see.

Currently 15-18% bf and this will be my 4th week on 250mg e3d so I should be really feeling things soon. At 16 weeks Im going into cruise and evaluating. I'll update the thread.

Worst case scenario not much happens, oh well I know better for next time and I can serve as an example. Best case scenario I actually manage to recomp and I dont have to cut as hard when I hit cruise.

Sorry for all the rambling I don't know what got into me.

>>39121806
i mean if i get no shedding, is that a sign that i will also be much less likely/not going to encounter actual MPB?

or are MPB and shedding not related? Like can I get MPB even if I have absolutely 0 shedding whatsoever?

>>39121955
If you keep an eye out you'll notice the media is actually pushing for this shit. Which is creepy as fuck. I dont like being socially engineered brick, and Id appreciate it if you respect my riggt to rage against without getting all preachy and insulting.

>>39121968
it is not even "thinning" at all either

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>>39121973

have you tried not being a dumb motherfucker? no?

maybe stop being an intellectually lazy little bitch with a persecution complex and think about not only the information itself but the sources it's coming from and what biases they're imparting, because it's human fucking nature for people to not only present things with their own biases but for you to actively seek out the kinds of information that will reinforce your own biases, and it takes unholy amounts of mental fortitude and vigilance to identify and counterbalance it

>>39122010
Why do you think that I personally don't undertake those steps? Because I have an opinion different than yours?

If you really don't see that there is a pretty profound level of social manipulation going on through our media, youre too dense to help.

>>39122046
>>39122010 brick working for Rothchilds confirmed. You Freemason fuck, stop trying to socially engineer us!

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>>39122046

because you're ranting about global conspiracies and ascribing nefarious plotting by specific racial groups to what ends up being simple cases of abject greed on the part of everyone, aka one of the most fundamental human qualities?

water wet, fire hot, ice cold

that's literally what you sound like

again maybe stop being an intellectually lazy little bitch with a persecution complex, might help you in the long run

christ I can't believe I actually spent the time with the big crayons to spell this one out

>>39122089
Brick, do you think we can live in peace and harmony? Or are we destined to fight each other till the sun explodes?

>>39122084
No he's just being argumentative. I don't blame him some people act stupid and won't shut up about this subject, but he's gotta realize the political goings on as of late are pretty unnatural.

Name one single nation in history that has imported foreigners, fed them, housed them, and gave them fucking pamphlets on how to fuck the local women (this actually fucking happened). That shit is counter intuitive and literally the opposite direction of every other single culture in human history.


But no Im just some whiny pencil dick who cant compete. That's what it is.

>>39122116
... I wanna read one of those pamphlets. What country m8?

>>39122046

i mean your ""opinion"" involves thinking that mass shootings are somehow faked with no one fucking up and leaking the news when CTR cant invade reddit without accidentally posting identical messages in the same threads

>>39122089
Ok if it's for greed then explain the racial element that has fascinated the fuck out of the media?

Here's a game, count how many black people you see in network television, and compare the number to the 13% of the population that they actually represent. How the fuck is that based on greed?

Inb4 you twist this into some sort of 'lol ur so insecure cant handle.black people.on tv'

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>>39122128
Germany. Government fucking issued

https://youtu.be/b3nTu0UX4JA

>>39122131
Different anon

What do I run if I don't care about how I look and I don't care about long term health but just want to get extremely athletic and virile in a short period of time?

>>39120343

Hello Mast.

>>39122089

Basically, don't go around trying to figure out shit that could be explained by greed.

>>39122217
Test, eq, deca, hgh are all good options for injectables

Most orals are good, maybe stay away from sdrol and mtren if youre aiming for athleticism.

Wet compounds are great for performance, unless you need to fit a weight class.

>>39122236
Explain this then

>>39122157


Where's the greed here?

>>39122217

>virile

Being fertile is included in virile so....

Hard to say though. Might wanna ask someone who looks like zyzbrah or ocb.

Seems most here either want to be blobs of mussels or only go for strength.

Can't think of anyone that's actually lifting to look good.

>>39122245

Don't know, might be that misplaced ww2 guilt affecting that geriatric chancellor of yours. I don't see why they haven't shot her yet.

The original quote is stupidity, not greed. And Merkel really has gone full retard.

>>39122270
Not German, Murrican. Just a little worried seeing what is going on in Germany and the Nordic countries.

Not looking forward to our own president Vagina

>>39122259
The guys in the CBT threads have their own workout plans. The ones hoping to be bodybuilders or strength athletes are oft blown out by the guys who do dedicated calisthenics and curl bro routines.

on first cycle. info on diet? reddit says +30% tdee wat the fuck

whats the tangible difference between a normal tdee +500cal or something and +30%? has this shit even been studied or is it all hearsay

>>39122285
>Unsubstantiated claims
Ask in /plg/ for pics of virtus or isley pre-bulk.

>>39122259
>>Seems most here either want to be blobs of mussels or only go for strength.
>
>Can't think of anyone that's actually lifting to look good.

you realize blobs of muscle and lifting to look good are basically the same except the "blobs of muscle" are 99% of the time just fatasses who don't cut?

>>39122280
Women are taking over the First Nations m8. Can't stop it. Sit back and enjoy the ride into chaos.

how do people get to like 8% bf, and then bulk themselves up to like 15%

how do u go back to being obese after being shredded?

>>39122330

Ifbb pro = blob of muscle.

At some point it goes from aesthetic to retarded. If you lift to look good you shouldnt aspire to look like an obvious roider.

Looking good might be subjective, but when most people start staring at you because of your size it's no longer mirin'.

>>39122285
>The ones hoping to be bodybuilders or strength athletes are oft blown out by the guys who do dedicated calisthenics and curl bro routines

Kek.

>>39122431

Dnp can shave off 1.5kg a week, easy.

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>>39122446
>Not wanting to be a monster

>>39122449
LOL try double that i use it myself

1.5kg is possible without it...
>>39122446
yeah but they are mentally ill retards who use retarded amounts of insulin and hgh

>>39122455

Once you're passing into overweight on muscle mass it's not too far until you look like an idiot.

Bmi and low bf is actually pretty decent to calculate a good weight.

As for dnp, I said easily. I lost 2.5kg in 4 days. Hoping to do another 7-8 in the next 14-20 days.

>>39122467
Is it even possible to do that without hgh and insulin?

>>39122486

Yes

>>39122467
need to buy some dnp tomorrow, fuck. hate cutting without it.

people say it boosts metabolism only like 55% for a 500mg dose, that's bullshit, feels at least double that

>>39122453
Jonah got jacked

>>39122507

Metabolism up but your fat loss is also up. More than the increased metabolism explains.

There's more to it than just kcals.

gf told her mother e v e r y t h i n g

shit is spiraling now.

>>39122520
what do you mean

>>39122520
shut the fuck up

>>39122625
wat

>>39122605
Oh no. She knows you guys held hands?

>>39122629
we did alot more than that dude,,,

>>39122633
aren't you a virgin

>>39122638
no

>>39122633
So what. Doesn't she live 100s of miles away, what's mama gonna do. Slap you.

>>39122638
He wants us to believe he's not

>>39122661
>what's mama gonna do
break us up

>>39122639
i remember people here making fun of you for making a big deal about that girl but you are not even fucking her or something like that

>>39122676
we have fucked 10+ times.

I legit caught feels.

>>39122616
>>39122625

Hgh doesn't increase metabolism yet leans you out. Tren?

Regular metabolism and fat metabolism are not the same. I'll let others explain Specifics.

>>39122486
lol i was overweight when i had veins on my abs
cunt was obese with abs iirc, so was bulked-mode masT

Are beard gains from roids permanent? I could always grow a huge ass beard but it was kind of thin. It is much thicker and aesthetic after being on roids for a while (tren mostly helped it).

When I come off tren is it going to thin out or what? Doesn't seem like it would make sense for facial hair follicles to die just because the androgen levels lowered.

I don't really care since I shave my beard anyway but just wondering, because the stubble looks way better.

I heard trest ace should work well in dmso and pulled into the blood stream. I guess if it goes into the blood stream that means a twice daily application?

I can stretch pinning to EOD, but I dont want to pin ED, plus its $2 every time I want to pin for the pins.

Now Im looking at that since Trest Ace is about $45 a gram for the raw vs about $60 or more for one premade vial which only contains 500mg.

Obviously its a lot easier to homebrew a dmso spray than an oil.

>>39122775
kill yourself

>>39122779
No u

>>39122775
>$2 every time I want to pin for the pins.
first of all like was stated above, kill yourself

but where the FUCK are you paying $2 each time you pin? a years supply of twice a week injections, with different needles for injecting and drawing, costs me less than $60 including shipping

I-is this the place to discuss phishing strategies and schemes?

>>39122790
$2 just for the pins mind you.

Japan. Gear isn't illegal but importing pins is. Domestic pins cost a lot more than most other places, despite being the same terumo brand everywhere else has.

>>39122790

30-35€ here. 10+10+11 100 26g, 100 20g and 100 3ml syringes.

>>39122691

And yet I dont get them until sub10%.

Not that it matters much, I prefer being around 8.

Btw, CNS adaption is real. Im closing in on my old weight and bf yet my strength is at least 35% shittier.

Granted I do miss at least 5lbs of lbm, probably closer to 10 but still. That's not massive.

>>39122897
I've found one domestic (where I am) source carrying pins.

Its $1.50 for one syringe of various sizes of your choice plus one injection pin of your choice, and 50 cents for one drawing pin of your choice.

Normally I could just get them on ebay in a big lot like that cheaply, just not here.

>>39122897
im naturally vascular af, ive fattened up a bit now (like 15% or so id guess) but i still have clearly visible veins on my delts, upper chest, and arms
5 lbs of lbm is lot in terms of strength

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is HGH organ growth a real threat? I really want to do a cycle of it but it's either not mentioned at all in places or it's hyped up as the only thing you need to worry about. Money's irrelevant.

>>39122983
yes especially with insulin

and what do you mean by "cycle" you need to run hgh for very long periods for it to do anything

Well that sucked

>>39122992
I mean going on 4 IU for 10 weeks maybe and coming off.

>you need to run hgh for very long periods for it to do anything
I've heard doing a single cycle is still very noticeable, not sure where you're getting this.

>>39123010
Did you stick it in

>>39123011
Afaik you need to run HGH for a lot longer than that.