>most functional lift >literally mimics an every day movement

>>39102464

It feels comfy af when I do it, but it leaves me with some pretty terrible hip pain the next day.

why would I sumo when I can conventional?

>>39102516
Because with sumo you're actually performing a real life movement.

>>39102464

>Functional

BAIT THREAD.

>>39102489
Gotta get on the girly machines and do your hip Adductor and Abductor accessories anon.

>>39102570
Explain how a lift that is performed almost exactly how you would lift something in real life NOT functional.

>>39102464
>most functional lift


That's not the zercher squat....

>literally mimics an every day movement (stooping to pick something up)

Who the fuck bends over with their legs so far apart? No one, just squat down and pick up stuff, like with the zercher

>>39102569
>>39102464

>oh look, i dropped my keys
>OP spreads his legs and bends over, ass in the air

Hurts muh knees.

>>39102655

top fucking kek

how IS sumo a mimic of a real life movement? hahahaha

>>39102655
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
Just tell me what do you think is better for begginer bodybuilding

More reps sets (smaller weight)
Less reps sets (bigger weight)

also on a related subject

is begginer bodybuilding sopoused to be (pushing it until pain=gain)
or is it sopoused to be
(consistency and routine)

>>39102655
That would actually be healthier than the rounded back, legs almost stiff movement that most people do. Do you seriously not know that Shit like that is the cause of most back injuries?

>>39102678
Less reps lower weight

Push till snap city

>>39102672
Example: it's moving day. Box on the floor. The best way to to pick it up is to put your feet on either side of it, get your arms under it, and lift with your hips keeping the box close to you.

>>39102464
I do it as an accessory. Significantly less strong though.

>>39102680
If you can't bend your back with no weight you lost genetics so fucking hard you should just fucking kill yourself.

If I pick something up I bend over like that, but keep my back decent while compensating for my lack of mobility by bending my legs like everyone else.

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>>39102716
just zercher that box you faggot, you can squat ass to grass right?

>>39102732
How the fuck do you zercher a box without picking it up first. Christ.

>>39102464

The Sumo Deadlift is a squat with the bar in the hands.

The Concentional deadlift is a hip hinge and pull movement.

You can probably replace the squat with Sumo deadlifts, but you cannot replace the conventional deadlifts.

>>39102730
You might, but most don't.

>>39102797
you squat down, grab it and then stand up faggot.

How retarded are you? No exercise is gonna translate 100% to anything but a fucking barbell

>>39102801
>The Sumo Deadlift is a squat with the bar in the hands

No, it's definitely a hinge, just with a wide stance. The only time it looks like a squat is equipped.

>>39102847
You just described a sumo Deadlift. Do you not know what a zercher Squat is? Is all of /fit/ as retarded as you?

The only people I know that do sumo are women.

>>39102894
Not actually a counter argument.

>>39102913

I wasn't trying to make a counter argument.Simply an observation.

>>39102949
K

>>39102894
The only people I know pulling sumo are two thirds of my predominantly male powerlifting gym.

>>39102981

>powerlifting

top lel

>>39102464
because it gave me orchitis. Probably i will never deadlift again. Not to mention my testosterone production slowed a lot.

>>39102801
Bullshit

>>39102464
>picking things up wrong is functional

>Every day movement
>Implying I fucking sumo lift shit off the ground
I pick it up normally, like a conventional deadlift.

>>39102678
Strength training typically produces a combination of the two different types of hypertrophy: contraction against 80 to 90% of the one-repetition maximum for 2–6 repetitions (reps) causes myofibrillated hypertrophy to dominate[citation needed] (as in powerlifters, Olympic lifters and strength athletes), whereas several repetitions (generally 8–12 for bodybuilding or 12 or more for muscular endurance) against a submaximal load facilitates mainly sarcoplasmic hypertrophy[citation needed] (professional bodybuilders and endurance athletes)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy

It's literally on the wiki page bruh.

>>39103103
Yeah, that's how you load a lawn mower into the back of a truck? By standing with your feet inside of it?

>>39103193
Shoulder width apart at most, certainly not sumo.
>Every day movement
>Loading a lawn mower in to the back of a truck
How often would you fucking load a lawn mower in to the back of a truck

>>39103218
>certainly not sumo
If your hands are inside of your feet, it's sumo you dumbass.

Have you ever picked up anything box or barrel shaped? Have you ever put a canoe on top of a car? Have you ever moved a person on a stretcher? Just using examples from the last week of my own life here. The only time a conventional stance is even possible is when there's a gap between the object and the ground.

>>39103218
You're getting tied up into semantics. None of the big lips actually mimic a literal everyday movement. But the deadlift, and the Sumo deadlifts specifically, mimic a motion that you're more likely to use than any other big lift.

>>39103284
Another medicfag here. Sumo is God tier when training to lift a gurney up. Especially if there's a fatty on it.

>>39103291
>mimic a motion that you're more likely to use than any other big lift.
Maybe once every now and then. Doesn't warrant doing the lift at all.

>>39103301
Haha yep, AEMT. Me and this one girl on our service are the only ones worth a fuck if we have to move a fatass, pretty much everyone else is fat/skinnyfat, weak, and unconditioned.

[spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler]I love her[/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler]

>>39103349
That's exactly why you should train it. Or maybe I'm not a sedentary faggot.

>>39103355
Never slide your ETT into the company trachea. Trust me anon, it's bad news.

But yes. 15 years paramedic. I am the only one of my colleagues who hasn't fucked his back somehow and I credit sumo Deads for it

>>39102801
Retard

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>>39102885
>deadlift
>squat

weak bait fag

>>39103399
There's no way it'd end well but she is so goddam cute. Probably the smart move to leave it at the flirty level but then again I am a total degenerate who thinks first and foremost with his dick so we'll see.

Back to the subject though, yeah, knowing how to execute a sumo dead with a good hip hinge and bracing is pretty much the exact same movement as lifting a stretcher, and still I have people I work with tell me lifting is dangerous. Fun fact I learned a few weeks ago: 1/5 people who start working in EMS will have a career altering or ending back injury in their first four years.

>>39102801
>The Sumo Deadlift is a squat with the bar in the hands.
Louie, pls go...

>>39103103
U can't pick up really heavy/big objects in conventional style.

>Doing deadlifts at all
Just do some grip excercises and train your traps lmao, no need to get a hernia

>>39103375
Sure, if you're in a physical labor job it'd be important.
If you're not, doing conventional deadlifts is more than enough.

>>39103601
Everyone has to do physical labor at some point. Why not be trained in a movement that best prepares you for that?

>>39103725
They don't as a job. The occasional moving to a new place or helping someone move, but if your life is stable you wont be doing that often.

>>39103750
My point is, that if you do physical labor in frequently you're more prone to injury because of it. Why not be trained to do that occasional physical labor to avoid such an injury.

>>39103750
And this is somehow a good reason to only conventional deadlift and never sumo deadlift. Find a tall tree and a short rope, my man.

>>39103821
I already lift 4x a week. My body is used to physical labor as is. Not to mention weighted conditioning.
There really isn't a need to add sumo deadlift.

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>>39102655

>>39102464
>lifting very heavy things with your feet apart
Enjoy your GROIN INJURY.

Lads, don't listen to this fuckhead, he just gets off on the thought of random dudes getting hurt; he's a sociopath and needs to be arrested, or beat up, or something. Don't listen to him.

>>39103862
Entirely misstating the argument.

>>39103905
Try to beat me up. I'll destroy you with my functional strength.

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>>39103862

>>39103950
ill pick you up and drop you 4 inches motherfucker

>>39103984
I'll quarter squat you for reps, bish

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>>39103862
Made me laugh so hard. This thread is probably b8 m8

>>39102801
>>39102860
Any type of deadlift is pretty much a squat with restricted forward knee travel and shorter range of motion.

>>39104091
It's funny how anytime someone posts an opinion counter to the fit hive mind it's considered bait.

>>39104144
just ignore people who shitpost with only "bait" or who just insult others.

>>39102464
>socks on plates
What's keeping her feet from slipping?
This pic makes my anus pucker.

>>39104141
>Any type of deadlift is pretty much a squat

No. Opening the hips to bend at the knees is a squat. Bending at the hips with lesser knee movement is a hinge. One is how you jump up, one is how you jump forward.

>>39104161
A deadlift doesn't have more hip flexion than a squat.
If you think this isn't true, look carefully at the squats and deadlifts of elite powerlifters (who pull straight-backed).
Compare the sticking point of the squat with lift-off in the deadlift.
A squat does have more knee flexion than a deadlift, but that's because the range of motion is greater.

So it still stands that a deadlift is a squat with [...] and a shorter range of motion.

>>39102464
should girls do conventional or sumo diddlylifts?

this is the routine for now:

A
Squat 3x5
OHP 3x5
BB bent over row 3x8
Lat Pulldown 3x8
BB Hip Thrust 3x8

B
Bench Press 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
Some kind of curl variation 3x8
Barbell Glute Bridges 3x8
bad girl machine 3x8


hanging(or in the ground) leg raises, planks and stretching at the end of every work out
cardio on off days

is this the way for that booty?

>>39104232
Trip on Greg Nuckols

>>39104250
Most girls: sumo

California asian girl lifting in USPA: conventional, for some reason.

>>39104260
I wish I was, man.
He knows so much more than I do, and I don't think I could ever catch up with him.

>>39104276
how bout american deadlifts?

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>>39102655
>>39103862

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>I sumo deadlift
>Therefore I'm a tough badass with "functional strength"

replace "functional" with "capable" you are not functional from lifting barbells, not everything can be loaded on a metal bar outside the gym. You build "capable" muscles with so called "functional" workouts. You are either capable of lifting something heavy outside the gym or not.

Also when done the right way a conventional deadlift targets lower back safely, a big reason people complain after lifting something heavy outside the gym is cause they don't work the back muscles that the conventional deadlift works best. Sumo deadlifts don't target the lower back as much therefore you don't get the benefits as much.

But you lift more in sumo deadlifts, so your "stronger" and "tougher" so what do I know.

>>39104400
>they don't work the back muscles that the conventional deadlift works best. Sumo deadlifts don't target the lower back as much therefore you don't get the benefits as much

Fuck off Mark.

>>39104400
Been hitting the milk pretty hard there, Rip.

Sumo dl looks stupid, everyone in my gym switched to conventional because they don't want to get caught doing that shit

>>39104400
The difference in lower back torque is 10% between upright sumo style and bent-over conventional.

Also, if you lift 10% more sumo, this difference gets negated.

Conventional does have a longer range of motion, which is probably a good thing for muscle building, long term.

>>39102590
I can't bring myself to do hip exercises in a gym. Always do that shift at home but don't get the benefit of having machines to work with.

>>39103574
Watch out dude, Trump is going to grab you.

>>39102590
>>39104545
Those machines stress the hips in an unnatural way, and aren't good except for rehab-type situations.

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>>39103574
>Don't do deadlifts

Son...

>>39104562
Bullshit. If they're unnatural they wouldn't be useful to rehab

>>39102860
It's not an ATG squat. A parallel squat. Key difference.

>>39105013
Nah breh. A sumo deadlift is still very much a deadlift and definitely a hinge. There's no such thing as a pure squat or a pure hinge - closest to each would probably be front squat and SLDL - but even a very wide sumo shouldn't really be a quad dominant lift. Ask anyone who has a good sumo and they'll tell you it's still mostly hamstrings and glutes.

>>39104991
Yes, they would.
It's the same with leg extensions.
They stress the knee unnaturally, but at low loads (rehab setting) they're not a threat to the passive structures of the knee, while still strengthening the targeted musculature.
It's just not a good idea to continue with them using high loads.

>>39103513
The guy squatted 730 lbs at 63 yrs old. I'm pretty sure Louie knows what he's talking about.

>>39102464
just do pull ups and skip rope cunt

>>39102464
>Sore today
>Implying you get sore the same fucking day you worked out

>>39102655
Have you ever picked up a washing machine, couch, cabinet, large chair, or anything heavy in your life that wasn't a barbell?
In most cases you need a wide stance to get good leverage.

>>39102464
I may go back to sumo DL since my lack of flexibility seems to be hindering my conventional DL. Or maybe just get the bar higher before starting

>>39105287
Do 5x10 RDL or SLDL at a lightish weight once a week for like 3-4 weeks and you flexibility will be fine.

>>39105238
>Put it under a trolly and wheel it away
Wow that was hard, even women can do it.

>>39104548
>>39104592
>Being fat
It's 2016 people women don't want fat people

>>39105324
>RDL or SLDL
Those are actually where I can feel my hamstrings locking up the most. What kind of weight? Just something I can easily pull?

>>39105471
Not him, but if you want to use RDLs to stretch your hamstrings you have to use pretty light weights, well below 50% of your 1RM deadlift.

>>39105471
Yeah. Go slow and go past where you feel the stretch. Even if your ROM is short initially. It will quickly improve

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>>39102464
>sumo

>>39105471
Just something that is heavy enough to pull you down and stretch your hams out. Try 50 or 60 kg.

>>39102678
ALL THE REPS ALL THE WEIGHT CMON

>>39102464

>MAGICAL FUNCTIONAL STRENGTH
>YOUR STRENGTH IS NOT FUNCTIONAL

Get out of here with this hashtag science.

>>39105528
/thread

>>39102464
>wearing socks
I hope the sloot slips on those weights

>>39102655
>>39103862
I love you /fit/ no homo

>>39105041
So what? Even tho it's hip/glute dominant, you can sumo far more than a front squat. So even if your quads are proportionately doing less work, the increase in volume makes up for it. And when the sumo is compared to a squat, it's being compared to a low bar wide stance squat. Not a narrow high bar squat.

>>39102464
>literally less effective at training every part of the body than conventional
>you look like a retard pussy bitch cheating on weight you can't actually lift
>only faggots and crossfitters do it

Yeah I wonder why I don't do bitch mode deadlifts too

Oh right

Cuz I'm not a bitch

>>39102464
So remind me when the last time you spread eagle lifted a box off the floor was

>>39107677
Picking up heavy boxes

I almost never do something that looks like conventional

>>39107549
Sup dyel,
Couple things here
>less effective
Patently wrong
>retard
Only to dyels like you, whose opinions 8 don't care about
>crossfitters
No, dyel, sumo isn't allowed in crossfit

You're weak as fuck prove me wrong fuccboii

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ITT: Hamstringlets and backlets try to rationalize their inferior pulling method

>>39102590
>>39104545
>>39104562
Why do I feel a funny sensation in my crotch when using the hip machines?
it doesn't hurt but i cant tolerate it

>>39103862
into the fit humor thread you go

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>>39102590
>mfw doing barbell hip thrusts as glutes accessories
>mfw people think I'm a dom top for doing that in the gym but I'm actually an extremely aggressive bottom

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>>39103862

>>39102590
From what I understand if you already do squats, adding abductors will just fuck up your balance

>>39102716
are you actively trying to throw your back out?

>>39110023
Do you know nothing about lifting mechanics?

>>39103862
AYY 10/10

The same reason I don't do lowbar squats.

Highbar is better. Conventional deadlifts are better. It's fucking ACTUAL science.

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>>39103862
>Have mild artistic skills
>Use them and a heavy dose of hyperbole to make a stranger on the internet look dumb
>Create OC
We could use more of this

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>>39102655
>>39103862

well no, since it goes only half way, add clean (jerk) and you are right

>>39102489
https://breakingmuscle.com/yoga/increase-strength-by-integrating-yoga-10-essential-postures-for-strength-athletes

This works so well, you'll forget you ever had hip pains from DLing.