Now that the dust has settled, what is the consensus on Mark Rippetoe?

>>39097587
He should try doing some keto.

All round badass and a pretty nice guy. He lifts heavy shit and trains people to be big and strong.

Things he likes:
Old things
Mechanics and engineering
Steak
Heavy iron plates
Whiskey
Motorcycles
Horses

he's great at training novices (which respond to pretty much anything), past that his experience/expertise is pretty irrelevant and you'd be better off looking at more established coaches

>>39097587
He's very handsome.

>>39097661
he trains guys who squat 600lbs using his method

Is this just Rippletits posting about himself?

>>39097587
everyone will make great gains this week. Check em

>>39097587
a nice guy

>>39097694
And how do they stand up against their competition? Win a lot, do they?

>>39097587
Think I saw him doing gloryhole porn.

>Now that the dust has settled
Go back to /v/ you dyel

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Shut your yap and do your 5's

Still not sure if he gives good advice or not

>>39097854
AND WHAT WERE YOU DOING WATCHING GLORYHOLE PORN, SONNY JIM?

>>39097790
Rip isn't associated with CSCS anymore anyway. He thinks IPF is a dead sport

>>39097909
"He looked at the ground dejectedly and said 'no'"

>>39097597
>mechanics and engineering

I read the part in SS where he talks about why olympic lifters should do lowbar squats instead of highbar, and it really made me question his understanding of physics.

>claims that low bar squat is a superior alternative to high bar squat for olympic weightlifters
>says that they already stress their lower back enough training the classics, so they should low-bar squat, because it stresses lowback less than high-bar squat
>explains that in low-bar, the bar being placed lower on your back shortens the lever arm between hips and barbell, therefore putting less torque and stress on your lower back
>fails to mention that putting the bar lower on your back forces you to lean forward more to keep balance, therefore increasing the lever arm, and putting more torque/stress on your lowerback

I'll take his general rule-of-thumb knowledge, but when he tries to bring science and math into it, I can' trust any of it. This isn't just something he said once offhandedly, this is what he published.

pgs 222&226 starting strength

>>39097587
is silver daddy mode achievable natty?

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>>39097587
Based.

>>39097587
Doing GOMAD made my bunghole rip/10

>>39099321
But that's wrong faggot

>>39100672
Nice argument newfriend.

who cuts his hair

it looks terrible

>>39099321
>>39097587

Rippetoe hasn't coached anyone of worth and his best pull was 600lbs in his prime.

Oly lifters regularly play with that weight in squat.

Rippetoe should go fuck himself with a gallon of milk because that's all he should peddle.

His claim to fame is training neckbeards to lowbar.

>>39099321
>>39100850
This is the second most hilarious part of his bible (next to his short diet section, which recommends an absurd amount of calories EVEN WITHOUT GOMAD). Even without going into the physics, it's just dumb:

Some fat Texan who has never trained anyone of note and has never oly lifted is saying thousands of olympic lifters, including the dozens/hundreds of medalists and their coaches, are wrong about what squats are best for oly lifters. Yeah, okay.


Also your conclusion about the lever arm is slightly incomplete. Yes, the lever arm is at a more stressful angle, but to Rippletits' point it is on a shorter arm, so the end result is closer than most think, although even that still varies depending on how extreme of a lowbar/body proportions the lifter has.

But your conclusion does end up being right practically all the time because even if the above scenario ended up in a total wash, low bar squatters also squat relatively more weight than they would in a high bar just to get the same amount of quad activation.

>>39100931

well he does teaches people to Jump shrug when doing power cleans which is pretty much an abysmal clue and would get killed by angry olympic coaches.

>>39097587
he made SS which is good for beginners but nothing beyond that. he seems to have no concept of volume and very staunchy opinions on how to squat i.e claiming that everyone should squat lowbar all the time

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>>39097587

He is a smart guy who's programming is misunderstood by Internet fools who see a picture of the Starting Strength program online and think they are doing the program.

Here is a quick test of anyone who claims to do Starting Strength: Chin Ups

These fools always forget the chin ups. It is the obvious sign that they haven't read the book.

The second sign is a fat guy who does GOMAD. Rip clearly says GOMAD is for skinny teens who won't eat.

Another test is the use of barbell rows as a main movement. To quote Rip "Fuck Rows." Rip considers rows to be an assistance movement because they are very hard to consistently train without lots of cheating on form.

People who do 5x5, Ramping Sets, or AMRAP sets and claim to be doing Starting Strength... Fools.

Finally, anyone who claims to being doing Starting Strength for more than a year is full of it. Consider Squats (starting at 5 lbs for exaggeration):

Month 1: 60 lbs
Month 2: 120 lbs
Month 3: 180 lbs
Month 4: 240 lbs
Month 5: 300 lbs
Reduce the overload to 2.5 lbs a workout (as an example)
Month 6: 330 lbs
Month 7: 360 lbs
Month 8: 390 lbs
Month 9: 420 lbs
Month 10: 450 lbs
Month 11: 480 lbs
Month 12: 510 lbs

If you have "done the program" for a year, you should at least be squatting and deadlifting in the 400's

You should be benching at least 250 and overhead passing at least your body weight.

Oh and old overweight Rip was able to do Double Digit chin ups the night before shoulder surgery.

His program is nothing more than it claims to be... its a beginner's strength program. It works well if you read the book and follow what he says without adding in all of the stupid shit the internet says. I stress the last part.

You're not going to become Phil Heath on his programming. You might even look better doing something else but its a strength program and not a bodybuilding program.

If you're a highschool kid trying to bulk up for the football team it's some good shit.

>>39100647
damn he was jacked back in the days

>>39101812
Pretty sure that's not him. Every time I've ever seen that picture posted someone says its not Rippetoe but some bodybuilder whose name escapes me.

>>39097587

SS is a terrible program
bill starr invented it as a short off-season routine for top class athletes to gain a little strength
utterly worthless for newbies when put next to any other newbie template
he's good at fooling those who enter the field knowing. well done rip

>>39101919
its roger estep

For all the people ITT saying Starting Strength is so bad, why has it been so highly recommended for so long?

>>39102003
Thanks. Seems like its just about impossible to find pictures of Rippetoe when he was younger.

>>39102010
>For all the people ITT saying Starting Strength is so bad, why has it been so highly recommended for so long?

SS doesnt have a good reputation among seasoned lifters
why it got promoted as a newbie routine is the weirdest thing in my mind
it's actually an advanced-intermediate program, which works well for football, rugby-type guys
to have a novice lifter do it is insane - it's far better to use ot later on in your lifting career, when you can milk to for more gains

Guy is smart, seems like he knows what hes doing. Low bar squats and milk is retarded.

>>39102094
Does the recommended progression make it a poor choice for novices? Or is it the exercises themselves?

>>39101110
1. The fact that he advocates a novice trainee that has been lifting for roughly a month do power cleans is what make me think he's a retard.

2. Some people are more biomechanically inclined to perform low bar squats some people are more biomechanically inclined to perform high bar squats. When seeing a novice trainee perform a squat a good novice coach will be able to advise which style is better suited to the trainee. At an advanced level, EVERY fucking coach will advise to do which style is trainee is stronger in. Militantly telling people that they should only do one is fucking stupid.

>>39102177
If you are training 3x5 correctly then you should be ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DEAD by the end of the training session.

Training that hard as a newbie will most definitely lead to injury.

>>39102229
Cheers.

>>39102014
That's because he was a fucking nobody with shit lifts, so nobody took pictures of him.

>>39102234
Also, There should only be 1 primary 3x5 / 5x5 movement per training session.

>>39102177
You're getting memed. SS is good for noobs, move on after six months, don't forget cardio, don't forget chins, read the actual book.

>>39097587
He developed a good program to start gaining strength.
His book on it contains some good information, but also some misinformation.
His and his strength coaches in-person coaching probably helps a variety of people to gain strength to a certain level.

Much of the more in-depth stuff he claims to know is outdated, but his core principles probably still apply.

>>39099321
I couldn't find anything on pages 222 or 226 regarding low bar squat for oly lifters. I checked the index and on page 16 he says the following:

The high-bar, or 'Olympic,' squat has been the preferred form of the exercise for Olympic weightlifters for decades. This seems to be largely a matter of tradition and inertia, since there are compelling reasons for weightlifters to use the low-bar position, too. Since the squat is not a contested lift in weightlifting, and since Olympic lifters front-squat to directly reinforce the squat clean anyway, the reasons for weightlifters to use low-bar squat in training must involve other considerations. The squat makes you strong, and weightlifting is a strength sport; even if it is terrible dependent on technique, the winner is still the one who lifts the most weight. The high-bar position looks more like a front squat, but the low-bar position uses more muscle, allows more weight to be lifted, and consequently prepares the lifter for heavier weights. 1/3

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>>39102014
this is supposedly him, just look at those t-rex legs

>>39099321
>>39102427
If an argument on the basis of specificity is to be made, the low-bar squat is also more applicable to the mechanics of Olympic weightlifting than the high-bar squat. The low-bar position, with the weight sitting just below the spine of the scapula, much more closely approximates the mechanics of the position in which the bar is pulled off of the floor. As the discussions of pulling mechanics in the Deadlift and POwer Clean chapters illustrate, the shoulders are just in front of the bar when it leaves teh floor in a heavy pull, and they stay there until the bar rises well above the knees. This is true for both the clean and the snatch, with the snatch eing done from a position even less similar to the Olympic squat than the clean is. Low-bar squats done with this similar relatively horizontal back angle train the movement pattern more directly than does the high-bar version, which places the back at a higher angle due to the higher position of the bar on the traps. And they do it through a nice, long range of motion due to the fact that the squat goes to a deeper hip position than the start position of either the snatch or the clean and jerk. 2/3

>>39102450
This is him, i'll also post a couple

>>39099321
>>39102452
IF the back angle is kept constant for both the low-bar squat and the pull from the floor (which it must be, see pages 127-131), they are very similar movements - more similar than a high-bar squat and a pull of any type. If an argument is to be made for squatting with a form specific to the motor pathway requirements of the sport, the low-bar position would be that form. And if an argument is made that the squat need not be similar, the low-bar squat still makes more sense because it can be done with heavier weights. 3/3

Thoughts?

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>>39102450
>>39102264
>>39102014

>>39102198
>1. The fact that he advocates a novice trainee that has been lifting for roughly a month do power cleans is what make me think he's a retard

"The power clean, being the most technically challenging of the exercises, should be introduced last, and only after the deadlift is correct off the floor... If you need more time to correct the deadlift, take it. Introducing the power clean too early will produce problems..."

- Starting Strength, 3rd edition, page 296

Read the book.

>>39102506

Bronson?

>>39102198

first few weeks there is no cleans you fucking idiot.

don't call the program bad if you haven't even read into it.

>>39102538
kek

>>39102461
That's actually the only photo of Mark Rippetoe lifting shit.

Nobody took pictures of him, because that's a 200lbs manlet deadlifting 6pl8.

>>39102506
bane?

>>39097894
I too thought it was odd phrasing

>>39100647
Not him

>>39102427
>>39102452
>>39102476
>The low-bar position, with the weight sitting just below the spine of the scapula, much more closely approximates the mechanics of the position in which the bar is pulled off of the floor.
Even if that would be right, it wouldn't matter.
Oly lifters don't miss a C&J during the pull, they miss it because they can't get up in the clean or they miss the jerk.
The jerk can also be missed if they clean took too much effort.
AFAIK snatches are typically missed due to not being stable enough to catch the weight, instead of being unable to pull hard enough.

>Low-bar squats done with this similar relatively horizontal back angle train the movement pattern more directly than does the high-bar version
Staying more uprigth with a low-bar position places a lot of stress on the wrists, elbows, and shoulders.

>And they do it through a nice, long range of motion due to the fact that the squat goes to a deeper hip position than the start position of either the snatch or the clean and jerk.
The total range of motion is greater in front squats, and secondary, high-bar squats.
So what if the hips goes through a larger range of motion, if the knees don't?
Specificity matters.
Oly lifters would do only front squats if they weren't so demanding on the thoracic extensors.
They use high-bar back squats to be able to train their legs, without being limited as much by their upper back strength.

>If an argument is to be made for squatting with a form specific to the motor pathway requirements of the sport, the low-bar position would be that form.
No, because once again, the pull isn't where lifts are missed.
He also seems to be under the impression that the pull in a C&J or snatch is biomechanically similar to a deadlift or low-bar squat, which it isn't.

There's a reason why all olympic lifters over the world use front squats, clean pulls, high-bar back squats, and not low-bar back squats.
And it's not because they're Rippetoe haters.

>>39102541
>first few weeks

Novices shouldn't do cleans fuckwit...if you think you are not a novice after ~4 to 6 weeks then lifting for a year should make you advanced...

>>39102759
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Rippletoe is a fucking meme

So glad I quit SS before I got fat as fuck like him

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>>39102506
brehs...

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>>39102538
That's Tom Hardy, idiot.

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>>39103381
that's bronson, idiot.

>>39100931
So is SS and programes like it still a good starting routine or is everything like that dumb? Cause I figured Riptoe didn't invent the 5x5 system and just adapted it from Reg Parks, so it should still be good, right?

>>39102450
I'm pretty sure that's Teddy Roosevelt.

>>39099321
Yes this doesn't sound right. I'll have to have a read through those pages. I hope you aren't grossly misinterpreting him. He does says Olympic lifters should do his version of the lowbar because of its force production but mostly they should be front squatting anyway

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is ss+gomad a meme?

does it actually work?

>>39097597
you forgot to add milk to your list