OHP vs Dumbbell shoulder press

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>>39002421
Depends on if you're standing while doing your barbell presses or not.

Personally my favorite shoulder press variation is the Zydrunas press.

Both you fuck, as is the answer with every variant of this

just do both you fucking spergs they will both do slightly diferent things

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>>39002601
>>39002603

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Arnold Press

>>39002597
Do you feel they help? I was thinking about doing some Z press today after being stuck a little on my OHP.

>>39002632
What's the purpose of Arnold presses? Not saying they are bad or anything, genuinely don't know what the difference is compared to a standard DB press. Does it hit the delts more or something?

>>39002683
I should maybe note that it's currently the ONLY shoulder press I do since powerlifting doesn't have any overhead press events.

I definitely feel like it's blown up and strengthened my delts a lot, really really good tricep builder too, haven't tried doing any overhead presses since introducing these, but fairly sure I'd get a PR.

>>39002708
Id guess it starts with more front delt and then moves to full

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>>39002710
I'll try them then, maybe I'll find out where my weakpoint is.

Have a Zydrunas.

>>39002758
It is definitely a humbling experience, expect to not be able to put up even close to respectable weight.

You doing strongman by the way? Been thinking of maybe signing up for a comp sometime, would probably get BTFO due to lack of experience and training opportunity but it still looks like a lot of fun.

>>39002421
I do standing OHP, because It feels more natural for my shoulders.

Also because i snapped my left shoulder doing seated dumbbell presses and am scared to do them again.

>>39002800

So if I focus on OHP as my main shoulder exercise for 5X5, how should I incorporate DB press after ?
2x12 ? or is that over-kill ?

>>39002789
Sign up, strongman needs more people man. I want to try it myself, but there's no local comp. in the near future, but gonna try next summer.

>>39002421
DB shoulder press will give you more bang for your buck pertaining to bodybuilding purposes.
Just like the DB flies or press is better for developing size in your chest than the barbell bench, it is preferable to use the dumbbell press if you want to have bigger delts for reasons of:
>Range of motion
>balance
>"isolation"

Since your arms are seperatedly doing the same work, you will not develop a habit of using your (normally dominant hand side) for moving more weight than the other. Also, you will probably do the DB shoulder press in a seated position, therefore you will not be limited by your core in squeezing out that last rep.

HOWEVER

If you want to be strong and be able to hold anything overhead in real life, you will have to do the standard standing OHP.
It still develops your shoulders, it may be even better for balance in the three heads of the deltoids.
You will of course be able to move more weight with the OHP, and will be able to do this in any situation life will throw at you, which is why i prefer it. It's just fun to OHP people (girls). You will probably fall over if you try to press an object even well within the limits of your shoulder if you've never done it standing.

>tl;dr
>DB shoulder press if you care about the pump
>OHP if you care about using your shoulders for anything irl

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Anyone ever tried Cuban press? Looking for pointers as I've only been doing ohp and shoulder press so far.

>>39002847
Not sure what routine you are doing, but I would just pick one of the two.

its easier to progress on barbell lifts, so i recommend that

>>39002922
Looks like a good rehabilitation shoulder work, assuming you are doing it with really low weight

>>39002847
do barbell and rather than db press, do lateral raises

>>39002922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SnVJDt7jts

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>>39002945
Thanks, but would strength or hypertrophy levels be possible?

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>>39002966

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>>39003146
>pls answer my question

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>>39003170
i dunno man i'm not the anon who told you it was a good rehabilitation exercise

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>>39003247
Haven't seen that one before.
Alright man let's keep memeposting then.
>tfw ran out

>>39003146
This one is actually pretty motivational.

>>39002708
>>39002632

Arnold made them up to fuck with people who asked about his routine

What about seated barbell press? Is it easier to progress on than standing.

>>39003456
Kills your lower back.

>>39003469
But is it easier to progress on tho? Due to the fact that your seated

>>39003456
>>39003469
he's right
a friend can no longer lift cause of seated barbell press

>>39003490
I'd say your long term goal should be spine and joint injury prevention not fast progression.
You could do z-presses, they're harder though.

>>39003493
Shit, really?

>>39003520
yup, he fucked up his lowerback
he can't even do biceps curls without being in pain

>>39003456
leg press is easier to progress too better do that instead of squats

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Can someone tell me which is superior?

>>39003621
Depends on what you're trying to achieve. Left has more lateral delt involvement, right has more anterior delt and tricep.

>>39003673
I'm really just trying to get bigger delts but also go easier on my shoulders which have been giving me problems lately. Right seems slightly easier on them, but not by alot.

>>39003621
depends what muscle group you want to target, no?

>>39003699
Correct. The parallel position of the palms allows the shoulders to be in a slightly externally rotated position throughout the movement, leaving no chance for impingement. Do some lateral raises and face pulls too if you want big shoulders. They're also important movements for shoulder health.

>>39003699
arnie presses are actually easiest on my shoulders. Just don't over do it with the weight and stretch shoulders well prior to and pinch the shoulder blades together tightly during.

>>39003621
how about doing both you mongoloid

>>39002708
More front delt activation, which is kind of pointless considering the front delt is stimulated more than enough in most routines

>>39002922
>this kills the shoulder
If you're doing it at super low weight for rehab/warm up then sure, otherwise avoid them

>>39002966
No. Do presses and lateral raises and that should cover 90% of your shoulder needs

>>39004163
How about having a sensible routine?

>>39003621
The more natural movement is to start as the 3rd guy, but to end as the 2nd guy.

>>39003752
>The parallel position of the palms allows the shoulders to be in a slightly externally rotated position throughout the movement, leaving no chance for impingement.
>leaving no chance for impingement
This is unfortunately not true.
Starting in that position is probably better for the shoulder, but it doesn't garantuee no impingment.

>>39004248
Nah, it doesn't have more front delt activation.
It just has a bigger range of motion, and hits the supraspinatus during the initial stage of shoulder abduction.

>>39002632
meme press

I just do barbell presses. I liked to do dumbbell presses, but when I maxed out my gym's dumbbells (went up to 30 kg), I had to switch.
Then I thought to order some 25mm plates, and bought a 24mm threaded steel rod and 4 nuts for it and made a ghetto fucking dumbbell, think something you'd use for Kroc rows. Cut it down a little to make it easier to balance, and it works OK for dumbbell presses, but I'd be needing another one to do DB presses with the way I like it (i.e. two dumbbells at a time), so I just stuck with barbell presses.

>>39003146

Accidentally motivating general

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I strained my wrist on incline dumbbell press about a week ago and it's still pretty painful (pinky side wrist pain just below the wrist joint). I'm not sure exactly how the injury happened as I've done this exercise a lot with no issues.

Anyone know what the prognosis is on wrist strains? Also, could the injury be due to the fact that I rotate the dumbbells on each rep? pic related, vs. keeping the weights in OP's left pic position the entire lift.

>>39002878

Soooooo both?

Unless one lift is unsafe, it's always better to do both rather than stick to one specific lift

>>39006784
stop rotating them, it does nothing except strain both the wrist and shoulders

pick an angle between 90 and 45 degrees that feels comfortable, and do it (angle being the one your upper arm and side of body makes)

>>39008478
Yeah, after injuring myself I started doing more research on the lift and the majority of the examples I see, the person is not rotating so I'm definitely going to stop. I was mainly doing it to focus on keeping my elbows in but I guess that's what you mean by picking an angle that feels comfortable.

Do you think the injury occurred because I was rotating or just a freak accident?

>>39008569
>Do you think the injury occurred because I was rotating or just a freak accident?

who knows, maybe a bit of both, maybe you just werent in the zone that day or that set, rest and learn from your injuries/mistakes

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>>39003146
that one is pretty good

>>39008478

so you're saying doing arnold presses is bad for your wrist/shoulders?

>>39003469
Tried this today, pretty much felt like my spine was the only thing stabilizing the bar

>>39002632
>>39002708

It identifys DYELs quickly.

>>39002922
dont do this with heavy weights. looks like it would snap your shit