Is this fucking guy natty or not? He looks pretty normal when

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>>38957481

>>38957481
Compare him to freaking flex wheeler and you be the judge.

>>38957481
>He looks pretty normal when you see him in a standard t-shirt
So he's either a hard working natty or a lazy roid-monkey.

Almost all the guys I've sold roids to just use them in place of a proper diet and consistency.
They don't even look like they're on.

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>>38957481
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>>38957481
>>38957492
lmao no

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>>38957481
This is him in a YouTube vid

Great youtuber, check him out if you haven't already. He seems genuine and im 99.9% sure he's natty

>>38957669
That's why I started this thread. He's a very hard working, genuine, smart guy. And I'm also 95% sure he's natty. But when I see those pics, that 5% starts growing

>>38957481
Igor pls stay

>>38957492
that winny/mast dryness

at this point you should already know that if theyre selling something or theres money to be made by you for them, theres gonna be a catch

>>38957708
There are no natties.

>>38957541
link vid

>>38957772

I agree. Looks like TRT test + low dose mast/winny. His delts aren't popping, nethier are traps, but they are more yoked than a natty imo and his dryness is more like someone on, though he isn't taking a lot.

I can get the same look by cutting first and then dropping my test (125-200mg), using less tren (50-100mg EW tren E), and just adding AI and maybe 100-200mg mast and drinking some coffee and a bit of vodka before a photoshoot, manipulate water the week leading to the photoshoot.
Then hey presto, dry. I'd be bigger though, but I run more gear, he clearly doesn't run that much. He has a nice amount of size, something I'd aspire to have if I wasn't a powerlifter.

>>38957525
He looks like a little boy in that t-shirt.

>>38957872
Not him but here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwqpSAyWnfk&ab_channel=VitruvianPhysique

>>38957874
Pics

>>38957481
Pretty sure he's natty. He's actually looks pretty small when the camera doesn't flatter him. If anything, he might take clen or dnp just to get shredded without loosing all his mass.

i enjoy his vids
i also think he's natty

he speaks about it in a vid, i forgot which one, but it does make sense

perfect lighting, that 1 out of 100 photo selection, that pump, that angle, that pose

these can all help to make it look like he's not natty

he immediately juxtaposes that with a not so flattering pic of him and you realize the differences the above factors can make, and why in certain photos it almost looks like he aint natty

i believe hes natty

>>38957481
vitruvian is natty

iirc, training over 5 yrs, well below natty ffmi limits, knows about diet/training.

you can easily look non-natty by being lean and taking advantage of good angles, lighting and enhancement of shadows.

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>>38957481
Looks like a more handsome version of Lazar Novovic.

>>38957481
I don't know, depends on his training history.

STOP SHILLING YOURSELF YOU INSUFFERABLE CUNT

>>38957481
i think he's natty. those pics are just before a competition.
actually an informative channel, too

>>38960147
agreed. he's at the peak of his cut, dehydrated, pumped, and tanned. totally possible for natties to lean out this much for a few weeks.

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>>38959211
>that pump

Came here to say that. You're seeing photos of him after a pump. That's not what he looks like all the time.

There are a lot of non-natties out there on the YouButts, but not everybody who has made it is a /fraud/.

>>38959431
hes like 25 now, and has been training since his teens, as early as 12? 14?

hes competed in some local competitions before

hes been training a long time, he knows his nutrition and exercise, and his ffmi is like 22? 23?

hes one of the better youtubbers out there

>>38957481
Yes. Good lighting, low body fat and a pump.

>>38957481
>Is this fucking guy natty or not?

no

Hi there, this is Vitruvian Physique AKA Igor :)

Sum1 messaged me on Instagram a while back saying there were some threads about me on here so I check in from time to time.

HELL YEAH LIFE GOALS ACHIEVED! Very honoured to be featured in one of these "is that guy natty?" threads :)

-->I'll answer some of the questions you guys mentioned above!

-->Yeah all those photos are a combination of:
1) PERFECT lighting
2) Taking 50 photos and choosing 1 worthy of social media.
3) Instagram filters...LOTS of Instagram filters lol
4) I only take photos when I have a pump and many of those were legit like 1-2 weeks out from a competition. I was only able to hold that condition for about 3-4 weeks, then I went insane from the 2000 calorie diet and had to get back into a caloric maintenance/surplus.

-->I've been training since I was 14, although I didn't start taking it seriously (counting macros, squatting, deadlifting) till I was 18 and I'm 25 now. So about 11 years of training, last ~7 of them being serious.

To those of you who said you enjoy the channel, thank you!!

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>>38962640
This is pretty good b8

U got me m8

>>38960012
Literally bursted out laughing

>>38957884
What the hell are you on about?

>>38957525
lol he's a toronto ffag

>>38962640
why not roid m8? what do you really have against it? Your recover time will improve and you will be building more muscle then you can believe.

>>38963344

Health concerns, personal/moral reasons, and I have terrible genetics unfortunately with regards to skin/acne so I would legit explode on gear.

Plus I hate the idea of pretty much being on it for life because from what I hear, no one ever stops at 1 cycle.

>>38963364
Fair enough.
What about prohormones? T-Boosters? are they just a big waste of money?

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>>38963421
how do you feel about this nigger? do you think he is on gear? been lifting for ten years...

>>38963384
Prohormones are pretty much steroids. They are molecules which break down into steroids once ingested so for all intents and purposes they are the same thing.

Test boosters are 99% bullshit. Some have been proven to help raise your testosterone if you have issues with low testosterone, but if you're at normal levels they will do nothing for increasing testosterone to a point where you see any tangible/visual improvements.

He very handsome. I wish I looked like that.

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>>38963439
Will pheromones fuck me up with side effects?just curious

>>38963463

Most likely yes, but I want to clarify that I am no where near knowledgeable enough on this topic to give legit advice.

>>38963475
Well if this is actually you. More inspiration to look less like shit . Keep doing what your doing.

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>>38962640
We need some proof its you. Do a /fit/ shout out on your next video.

>>38957525
>prettynormal
Dude

>>38963515

Will include it in of my vlogs :)

>>38963547
?
>>38963432

>>38963547
ive always been a huge fan because you are no bullshit type fitness youtuber, you just got 100x cooler in my books haha

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>>38963364
>Vitruvian Physique
What about DNP or Clen?

>>38963585

Thank you!

>>38963593

I heard DNP can really fuck you up and as for Clen, I don't know if I really need it because from what I understand it helps you lose body fat which I can and have done naturally, although it's hard as fuck and for a few weeks near the end I feel like I'm going insane lol. Maybe it would make it easier, but I would never want to take gear to do something I can already achieve naturally, just with extra time/effort.

Roids are cool because they take you beyond what you could ever do naturally, but again that path is a no for me at least at this point in my life.

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>>38962640
Who do you really look up to?

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>>38957481
>A lot of pussies who start cycling after a year of two of lifting will tell you that this isn't achievable.

Strict dieting and hard work, OP.

>>38963682

Arnold, Casey Neistat, Steve Cook, Omar Isuf, Neil deGrasse Tyson

Then I have a bunch of people who I don't necessarily look up to, but people who I admire for certain qualities which I'd like to emulate, some of which are my friends.

>>38962640
>>38963364
give us a timestamp with your face right now or gtfo mate.

>>38963735
How much sleep do you get on average senpai

>>38963735
why do you do a brosplit? Why don't you hit each muscle twice a week like most professionals/phds advice for more time for post-workout muscle synthesis?

>>38963735
>>38963747
>>38963758
ya'll niggas being trolled.

>>38963638
Igor why are your lips always chapped in your videos? Get some chapstick!

>>38963747

~6 hours

>>38963758

I don't. I do a PPL split but with only 1 leg day so it's more like :

PPRestPPLRest - repeat

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>>38963735

VP all ya gotta do is snap a pic with /fit written on a piece of paper. Ez senpai.

>>38963814
I'm on accutane, a very hardcore acne drug which destroys your body's ability to produce oil AKA what is required for moisture in your lips.

People keep commenting in my videos for me to get chapstick but I legit have 3 sitting on my desk right now lol.

>>38963825
>>38963831
do this or don't expect people to believe you

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>>38963825

>>38963845
holy shit

>>38963831
Shit my bad BB. I was on it as well a while back. It's hell Goodluck! It does work though! Btw great content been a subscriber for a while now.

>>38963845
That scooby pic. Subbed

>>38963845
>dick size?
>libido?
>gay or straight?
>why are you not asleep?

>>38963845
How many calories do you remove from your diet when you cut? And how long do you cut for? And what are your macros like for a cut?

>sneaky scooby
don't insult the king.

>>38963845
Hory sheet.

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>>38963845
I was just watching your lean bulk video this morning man, was really interesting. Any routine or general advice for me?
Lifting 14 months
6'0
175lbs
lean bulking (hopefully) at 3000-3200 calories
Goal body is pretty much yours.

>>38963858

>dick size: Maximum
>libido: Good now that I'm no longer low carb
>gay or straight: Straight
>why are you not asleep: Editing big ass video


>>38963859

It varies. Start at like a 400 calorie deficit and progressively increase as I hit fat loss plateaus. I cut anywhere from 4-6 months depending on how fat I get in the off season. Macros vary but by the end of my last cut I was down to something like

190/60/180 (P/F/C)

>>38963845
oh god

turn back now before it's too late

>>38963869
Pretty good physique for a guy lifting for barely over a year. Chest is coming in well. Keep blasting your lateral deltoids as they seem to be lagging behind just a bit.

Just focus on lots of compound exercises with decent training frequency (hit each muscle group every 3-5 days), and have patience. Make sure to eat in a surplus but don't go overboard and dirty bulk like I did when I was younger (FML)

>>38957541
This guy is fucking retarded. He thinks protein can turn into fat because there is a metabolic pathway that does so, even though that pathway is very rarely used which has been proven by studies. He literally opened up a biochem book, saw the pathway, and said "don't take extra protein, it'll get converted into fat omggg" and his gf started gloating about how smart he is.

God I fucking hate him.

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>>38963845

HOLY SHIT LMFAOOOOOO

HE REALLY DID IT, HE REALLY DID IT

Hahahaha yo this blew my fucking anus off just now this is INSANE

ZYZZ MAN ZYZZ, IT'S HIM IT'S REALLY HIM!

>>38963902
>He thinks protein can turn into fat because there is a metabolic pathway that does so

what is the name for this?

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>>38963845
thoughts of rich?

>>38963902
He's right you fuckwit. Why eat excess protein? Eat what you need and save those loonies.

>>38963877
Come check my thread out brah, tell me I didn't ruin my chances.....

>>38959977

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>>38963894
thanks so much man, its a flattering pic but means a lot coming from you!
What % do you think I am and what do you think is the max you should go while bulking as a beginner? What do you think of this routine? Its a modified texas method. Maybe with extra lat raises?

>>38963902

Pretty sure I said multiple times in the video that although it exists, it's hardly ever used because you'd need to eat like 500g+ protein to activate it.

Protein can however me used as an alternative energy source during times of caloric deficit which means it's possible to STOP losing fat due to a higher protein intake. So it won't turn into fat, but it can technically slow down fat loss curing a cut. But this rarely happens because usually people eat enough protein to maintain muscle mass but not more since it's useless, expensive, and not tasty.

Should I go to the gym tomorrow? I have college I'll either go at 7 pm or later; I have trouble sleeping. Anything to for sleep gains ? I'm seriously considering putting off the gym and just doing push ups tomorrow.

>>38957669
>>38957708

holy fuck shill harder

>>38957541
Shame he's not white.

>>38963910
De Novo Lipo Genesis

But again, it's super unlikely for protein.
It will happen with carbs if you eat a crazy amount of them coupled with a super low fat intake. But all of this is like super weird situations which 99% of you never have to worry about:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html/

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>>38963894
holy shit im a massive fucking fan

what's your opinion on PSMF-style minicuts during a lean bulk?

also when is next barbelle collab

>>38963948
Disregard this, I suck cocks.

>>38963912

I like him for his honesty and the fact that he's something different in an industry which at times can be repetitive and boring. He's an interesting character. Whether you like him or hate him is up to you but no1 can deny he's entertaining.

>>38963978

Hey VP do you ever contribute to the feel threads around here or

>tfw no gf

How often do you post around as anon?

>>38963978
You shilling CG's clothing line? Trying to become a betalete?

>>38963902
>He literally opened up a biochem book
Subbed.

>>38963970
PSMF is a bit too intense and I don't see the need to be that drastic. If you're in a lean bulk and jump into a decent deficit minicut for 2-3 weeks I'm sure that should be enough to lean out a decent amount!

And January for Barbelle Brigade!

>>38964002
Occasionally. I use this to kill time when my videos are rendering. If people have questionable I chime in if I can help

Sorry those last two posts I forgot the name password thing.

>>38964027
keep your trip on man (now and other times), people would be much more interested in what you have to say and could give you more views/sub/whatever

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>>38964027
doesn't vp have a qt 3.14 gf

he can't contribute

he's made it.

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Dude looks very above average genetics for me.

What are thy lift stats?

Yupp! And I will tell her you said that, I'm sure she will appreciate it :)

>>38964031
vp what's your favourite routine to do while cutting?

>>38964050

Still recovering from cut but at my peak in march I had 425/320/530 in a PL meet (pause bench)

>>38964066
>VitruvianPhysique !!6oEuFr8E7LA
posting with a different trip code than the one with the time stamp?

>>38964059

Same as bulking but not as heavy and less deadlifts. Basic PPL but only 1 leg day per week

>>38964076
I switched to my phone.

>>38964066
Hey VP huge fan. What do you do to break out of weight/fat loss plateau's, i feel like ive been stuck at 180-183 for like 4-5 weeks. I've been on a caloric defecit for over a year (300) days in myfitnesspal. And the weight has just been stalling, i'm eating 1700 cals right now lifting 4-5 times a week doing either a ppl routine or Upper/Lower split. Are the cals too low? Is my metabolism shot? What do senpai

>>38964079
what's with the 1 leg day per week? Do you do deads on your leg day?

bump for this routine >>38963947

>>38964085
300 days of dieting is torture. Go on a 2-3 week break and just hop on to maintenance calories. Then diet further if you want and experiment with refeeds

>>38963735
>Neil deGrasse Tyson

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>>38964098
I just checked , i actually have 233 days logged LMAO. I think i've only gone over less than 10 - 15 times. I feel like i'd get fat if i tried eating at "maintenance" my TDEE would be around 2300-2400 at 5'9 180 "Exercising" 4-5 times a week that seems high? do i just yolo and do it. Sorry for being a puss senpai this is scary and i trust you

>>38964096

My legs get DESTROYED on leg days and I feel sore for longer than other muscle groups. 4 Days later and I'm still walking like a broken penguin.

Kk must sleep. Thank you to all of you for the kind words about the channel!

I will try to come on here and do a Q/A or something if there is sufficient demand.

<3

>>38964117
thanks for answering igor fampai

hope your channel gets huge one day

>>38964117
you fucking idiots, now this normie trip is going to be back

>>38964117
If you come at peak time with a timestamp on the thread there will definitely be a lot of people interested! Thanks for the help!

>>38964131
Honestly disappointed in how many fuccbois there are on /fit/

>>38964117
Don't come back please

>>38964115
Not VP but i will try to help anyway.
Don't be scared to gain a bit of weight: if you really are on 1700 calories/day and not loosing weight it means your metabolism is on the fucking ground. You should jump to maintenance for 2-3 (more like 3 seeing how long you have been dieting) weeks to feel good again, have a mental rest from the deficit, get your lifts up, and generally feel better overall.

But if you are still "meh i don't want to get fatter :(" think that:
1) If you jump to maintenance CORRECTLY, you won't gain any fat, that is literally the meaning of maintenance
2) By getting on maintenance, your glycogen will replenish and you will look buffer, bigger and fuller (don't expect to look fucking Arnold but yes better, Vitruvian talks about it in a recent video of his after the last Competition, where he says that 2-3 weeks after the competition he looks better in his opinion than during it)
3) If you STILL are doubting: jump to 2100 calories/day, with 1g protein/lb bodyweight, 25 - 30% of calories from fat and the rest carbs. This should still not be maintenance for you, but you will feel much better and not gain fat

Also, if you do go to maintenance be careful, your body will switch to "OMG i'm back to eating normally thank god" mode and you will tend to overeat easily, make sure you are still tracking everything correctly and you will be fine.

>>38957541
tidy up your goddamn phone

Dunno who he is but he looks liked a maxed out natty.

>>38964032
don't wanna lose the deniability of being anon, anon :^)

>>38963845
kek that scooby pic

so you still think it's proton turns to fat if it is in excess?

>>38963092
I dunno man, OP's guy is very handsome, and they both have similar face structure, but Lazar doesn't have that sharp jawline and looks like a teenager.

>>38964279
>if i eat 4000 calories of protein, i wont gain any fat guys, i-i swear!

pls never reproduce

His pencil neck inspires me

If I were to juice hard and get personal training for 2.5 years, I could look like that.

Ecto genetics ftw

>>38963718
show us the product of your strict dieting and hard work, then

>>38964816
>avoiding protein because youre afraid it will turn into fat

>>38957481
i was in dis thread lmayo

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>>38957481

>pump
>flexing
>1 pic chosen over dozens
>filters, shop, and all that shit

>>38957481
Protip: anyone who makes a living with their looks, cheats.

had no idea who this guy is but took one look and yeah hes natty.

Every time I see a thread like this, all I think about is how easy it would be for me to go, do a couple cycles, and tell everyone I'm natty and they'd believe it because people are absolute retards.

>>38963845
Now we all know this guy shills himself and makes these threads.

>>38965865
do it

>>38957481
That body is achievable natty. Other than the lightning and the pump he doesn't seem to have much size or that low of a bf.

I'm not saying that the person in the pic is 100% natty, but I'm saying that the body is 100% achievable natty.

>>38957481
Yes he's natty. He's been lifting for around 10 years. Watch a youtoo video of him working out; disregard the insta photos with half-natty lighting, maximum pump, and taken when he was at his most shredded.

Also Igor is fucking based. Top-tier youtoo celery.

>tfw no Igor lifting bro

>>38964117
VP come back soon breh

>>38963364
I had medium-bad acne on face during puberty but when i hopped on roids to my surprise i didnt gey any acne on my face
have very slight on chest but i only get pimples on my face if my estro fluctuates